Coaching ability is concerned needs to become better acquainted with about half the coaches currently holding NFL head coaching jobs who aren't fit to scrub TC's soiled shorts.
Having said that, his time to remain at the Giants helm had passed.
But his teams lost because of lacking talent via poor drafts and bad injury luck to high picks. Not because he "forgot how to coach."
Coughlin will always a place in Giants history and the hearts of fans
But unfortunately he stayed way too long. Imagine his legacy if he had retired after the second super bowl?
I'm actually looking forward to a few years down the line when I can finally get rid of the bad taste that Coughlin 2012-5 left in my mouth. And just remember the greatness Coughlin brought this franchise
It s rare when a coaching career ends on a positive note. It was time to move on. The end of the Dallas game was inexcusable doubt it would have happened earlier in his career. There was a lack of discipline on his last few teams and a lack of positive energy.
I know what he accomplished and Imwas for him being retained the first 3 times he was almost fired, while many here also supported his dismissal.
It s a young man s game and new ideas were needed. Just my opinion m
He brought in an offense from the early 1980s and replaced Gilbride's offense of the 1990s which was too innovative because it relied on the IQ of its wide receivers.
Updating training methods and music at practice are hardly innovative.
But yes, it was time for TC to go. I just wish the transition could have been smoother.
He brought in an offense from the early 1980s and replaced Gilbride's offense of the 1990s which was too innovative because it relied on the IQ of its wide receivers.
Updating training methods and music at practice are hardly innovative.
But yes, it was time for TC to go. I just wish the transition could have been smoother.
Ivan We will be running the Greenbay Offense not the old 49ers brand. Mike McCarthy's is the blue print with Mac adding what he wants to it. Its by no means older than the Coughlin/Gilbride one.
Will be to see if the Giants STILL lead the league (or are among the top5) in injuries in this season. If they STILL ARE, we can conclude it had nothing to do with TC and the old Strength/Conditioning coach/program.
If they are NOT, and they trend back toward "normal," that's a pretty big indictment of the TC regime on that front.
Will be to see if the Giants STILL lead the league (or are among the top5) in injuries in this season. If they STILL ARE, we can conclude it had nothing to do with TC and the old Strength/Conditioning coach/program.
If they are NOT, and they trend back toward "normal," that's a pretty big indictment of the TC regime on that front.
That's a nice thought, but you know some folks will always find another side of the argument. "Now that Reese has stopped drafting damaged goods, of course people are getting injured less often..."
Does TC still come to the facility to work out regularly?
"I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of IRs, which is a cancer, let's face it," Coughlin said. "It's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else."
In Coughlin's first season as Giants coach, 18 players finished the season on IR. He has placed 47 players on IR in his four.
and it will take a lot to unseat him. I feel bad that he was let go, but he did it the right way, IMO. I found it ironic that the injuries to the roster really hamstrung him given his statements re: injuries on his hire.
TC's teams were always well-prepared, and generally always well coached. We'll certainly find faults in the losses, and I've accepted that we probably needed the shakeup.
I'll always have a soft spot for coach Coughlin, who always represented the NYG with class and dignity, and IMO will always be part of the Giants.
"I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of IRs, which is a cancer, let's face it," Coughlin said. "It's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else."
In Coughlin's first season as Giants coach, 18 players finished the season on IR. He has placed 47 players on IR in his four.
He was referring to the Fassel country club where dinged weren't expected to play.
"I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of IRs, which is a cancer, let's face it," Coughlin said. "It's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else."
In Coughlin's first season as Giants coach, 18 players finished the season on IR. He has placed 47 players on IR in his four.
He was referring to the Fassel country club where dinged weren't expected to play.
Yes I am aware that has always been the weak excuse for his own similar failures. Known as spin.
I do not know how players getting injured somehow falls on the head
The Bunker Phase - Made a loud entrance, ripping posters off the wall, then sequestered himself in himself in his office a month
TheTransitionalPhase - Enjoyed limited success
The Crisis Phase - Came to the very edge of getting thrown out the door (till saved by Michael Strahan and other players speaking for him to the owners
The Championship Phase - Strong group of very good players and good coaching deliver 2 championships
Steady Decline - Tom, his coaches and the front office combine to deliver a mediocre product, end in in Tom's dismissal
Coughlin coaching the Giants, as I do Parcells coaching the Giants. From '63 and on, those are the only two Giant HCs that I miss. What happens with Ben McAdoo remains to be seen.
I'm fairly certain he's not enforcing prison rules football in practices.
Not sure myself but Coughlin made this criticism of the previous coach a big part of his opening press conference. So if the criticism applies to Fassel, why do some give Coughlin a free pass on this issue or provide weak excuses?
RE: RE: I do not know how players getting injured somehow falls on the head
Will be to see if the Giants STILL lead the league (or are among the top5) in injuries in this season. If they STILL ARE, we can conclude it had nothing to do with TC and the old Strength/Conditioning coach/program.
If they are NOT, and they trend back toward "normal," that's a pretty big indictment of the TC regime on that front.
WTF is that? He's a great football coach and perhaps better man who is routinely shit on by so called Giants fans. If defending him against shots from morons (see the posts on injuries above and every post by Al) is crime, I'm guilty.
WTF is that? He's a great football coach and perhaps better man who is routinely shit on by so called Giants fans. If defending him against shots from morons (see the posts on injuries above and every post by Al) is crime, I'm guilty.
Thst is why I like BBI. Morons like me are allowed to post.
WTF is that? He's a great football coach and perhaps better man who is routinely shit on by so called Giants fans. If defending him against shots from morons (see the posts on injuries above and every post by Al) is crime, I'm guilty.
Thst is why I like BBI. Morons like me are allowed to post.
but couldn't imagine, based on what we know about him, that he would not do everything he could to properly prepare the team. Therefore to me he was always the right guy for the job.
Lots of good coaches don't win squat but he brought home the Lombardi twice so he's got that.
But everything ends, and its not always a bad thing either...
WTF is that? He's a great football coach and perhaps better man who is routinely shit on by so called Giants fans. If defending him against shots from morons (see the posts on injuries above and every post by Al) is crime, I'm guilty.
Blind hero worship is pretending that any coach that wins 19 games in three years and misses the playoffs in four straight is not without some level of fault.
WTF is that? He's a great football coach and perhaps better man who is routinely shit on by so called Giants fans. If defending him against shots from morons (see the posts on injuries above and every post by Al) is crime, I'm guilty.
And the "better man" part is exactly the hero worship nonsense. His spirit, virtue and character are great traits, but I watch the Giants to root them on to victory. If I want to canonize someone's personality, I can do something else on Sundays. I want to see them win. And over the past few years, Coughlin has not been able to deliver that. If you're not able to see him being part of the problem rather than the solution, I suppose we'll just fundamentally disagree. But I don't care about him being a "better man."
He's not on his death bed. He got two rings and may make the hall of fame. He should be celebrated, not mourned.
Exactly. And if someone feels compelled to focus on coighlin's shortcomings then we could easily do the same for every single NFL HC to come along not named belichick and Lombardi and Walsh. 99% of them have warts. Not many have two rings.
Diatribe on injuries in my view. I don't think he was killing the prior regime for injuries as much as he was questioning the nature of some of those injuries during the 2003 season and the business decisions far too many Giants players were making that year. That was a true example of a team that quit. Coughlin saw that and wanted to weed out the cancer.
Coughlin is not a stupid man he knew then that injuries will occur. He was taking more about the culture.
You're in the camp that believes the Giants didn't win because of the coaches but those same coaches weren't the reason they won 2 SBs.
News flash - coaching is important but it's only part of the reason a team wins or loses.
It's like, wahhh, wahhh, the Giants ruined my Sunday. Someone must pay!
Don't put words in my mouth. The Giants are incapable of ruining my Sunday. Perhaps you just missed the Sunday mention in reference to canonization?
I just think that sports is the ultimate meritocracy. Results are the only thing that matters. Never did I say that the coaching staff should be denied credit for the team's successes, but I also recognize a trend when I see one. We can't just close our eyes and pretend it's 2007/11 permanently. The fact is, under Coughlin, the Giants had won 19 games over the past three years and had missed the playoffs for the past four years. Those results will get nearly any head coach fired. I happen to believe it was merited - I felt as though I witnessed (through my amateur eyes) a number of coaching/strategy errors last season that were not emblematic of the Coughlin attention to detail that we all celebrated over the years. Is that the only reason why the Giants lost? No, not entirely. But in the context of a multi-season losing trend, it was cause for concern, IMO.
I don't believe he is capable of stopping.
Having said that, his time to remain at the Giants helm had passed.
But his teams lost because of lacking talent via poor drafts and bad injury luck to high picks. Not because he "forgot how to coach."
I'm actually looking forward to a few years down the line when I can finally get rid of the bad taste that Coughlin 2012-5 left in my mouth. And just remember the greatness Coughlin brought this franchise
I know what he accomplished and Imwas for him being retained the first 3 times he was almost fired, while many here also supported his dismissal.
It s a young man s game and new ideas were needed. Just my opinion m
Me too!
True. In the past few years, Coughlin couldn't do it.
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That wasn't funny the first 300 times you posted in.
Yeah it was. Still is.
Updating training methods and music at practice are hardly innovative.
But yes, it was time for TC to go. I just wish the transition could have been smoother.
Updating training methods and music at practice are hardly innovative.
But yes, it was time for TC to go. I just wish the transition could have been smoother.
If they are NOT, and they trend back toward "normal," that's a pretty big indictment of the TC regime on that front.
If they are NOT, and they trend back toward "normal," that's a pretty big indictment of the TC regime on that front.
That's a nice thought, but you know some folks will always find another side of the argument. "Now that Reese has stopped drafting damaged goods, of course people are getting injured less often..."
DavidB, that's beyond stupid.
"I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of IRs, which is a cancer, let's face it," Coughlin said. "It's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else."
In Coughlin's first season as Giants coach, 18 players finished the season on IR. He has placed 47 players on IR in his four.
TC's teams were always well-prepared, and generally always well coached. We'll certainly find faults in the losses, and I've accepted that we probably needed the shakeup.
I'll always have a soft spot for coach Coughlin, who always represented the NYG with class and dignity, and IMO will always be part of the Giants.
"I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of IRs, which is a cancer, let's face it," Coughlin said. "It's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else."
In Coughlin's first season as Giants coach, 18 players finished the season on IR. He has placed 47 players on IR in his four.
He was referring to the Fassel country club where dinged weren't expected to play.
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He said after being hired.:
"I'm aware of the injury factor, the number of IRs, which is a cancer, let's face it," Coughlin said. "It's something that has to be corrected. It's a mental thing, I believe, as much as anything else."
In Coughlin's first season as Giants coach, 18 players finished the season on IR. He has placed 47 players on IR in his four.
He was referring to the Fassel country club where dinged weren't expected to play.
I'm fairly certain he's not enforcing prison rules football in practices.
TheTransitionalPhase - Enjoyed limited success
The Crisis Phase - Came to the very edge of getting thrown out the door (till saved by Michael Strahan and other players speaking for him to the owners
The Championship Phase - Strong group of very good players and good coaching deliver 2 championships
Steady Decline - Tom, his coaches and the front office combine to deliver a mediocre product, end in in Tom's dismissal
Talk to you in December....
I'm fairly certain he's not enforcing prison rules football in practices.
Al has always hated Coughlin so this is nothing new. He's about the 10 years than TC, you would think he show the man some respect and appreciation
I'm fairly certain he's not enforcing prison rules football in practices.
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coach.
I'm fairly certain he's not enforcing prison rules football in practices.
Al has always hated Coughlin so this is nothing new. He's about the 10 years than TC, you would think he show the man some respect and appreciation
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coach.
I'm fairly certain he's not enforcing prison rules football in practices.
Al has always hated Coughlin so this is nothing new. He's about the 10 years than TC, you would think he show the man some respect and appreciation
There's respect/appreciation, and then there's blind hero worship. Which do you think more accurately describes your feelings toward TC?
If they are NOT, and they trend back toward "normal," that's a pretty big indictment of the TC regime on that front.
Yep, very interested to see how this plays out.
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WTF is that? He's a great football coach and perhaps better man who is routinely shit on by so called Giants fans. If defending him against shots from morons (see the posts on injuries above and every post by Al) is crime, I'm guilty.
Thst is why I like BBI. Morons like me are allowed to post.
I hear there are jackets too...
Lots of good coaches don't win squat but he brought home the Lombardi twice so he's got that.
But everything ends, and its not always a bad thing either...
Blind hero worship is pretending that any coach that wins 19 games in three years and misses the playoffs in four straight is not without some level of fault.
And the "better man" part is exactly the hero worship nonsense. His spirit, virtue and character are great traits, but I watch the Giants to root them on to victory. If I want to canonize someone's personality, I can do something else on Sundays. I want to see them win. And over the past few years, Coughlin has not been able to deliver that. If you're not able to see him being part of the problem rather than the solution, I suppose we'll just fundamentally disagree. But I don't care about him being a "better man."
News flash - coaching is important but it's only part of the reason a team wins or loses.
It's like, wahhh, wahhh, the Giants ruined my Sunday. Someone must pay!
Exactly. And if someone feels compelled to focus on coighlin's shortcomings then we could easily do the same for every single NFL HC to come along not named belichick and Lombardi and Walsh. 99% of them have warts. Not many have two rings.
Coughlin is fucking awesome.
Coughlin is not a stupid man he knew then that injuries will occur. He was taking more about the culture.
News flash - coaching is important but it's only part of the reason a team wins or loses.
It's like, wahhh, wahhh, the Giants ruined my Sunday. Someone must pay!
Don't put words in my mouth. The Giants are incapable of ruining my Sunday. Perhaps you just missed the Sunday mention in reference to canonization?
I just think that sports is the ultimate meritocracy. Results are the only thing that matters. Never did I say that the coaching staff should be denied credit for the team's successes, but I also recognize a trend when I see one. We can't just close our eyes and pretend it's 2007/11 permanently. The fact is, under Coughlin, the Giants had won 19 games over the past three years and had missed the playoffs for the past four years. Those results will get nearly any head coach fired. I happen to believe it was merited - I felt as though I witnessed (through my amateur eyes) a number of coaching/strategy errors last season that were not emblematic of the Coughlin attention to detail that we all celebrated over the years. Is that the only reason why the Giants lost? No, not entirely. But in the context of a multi-season losing trend, it was cause for concern, IMO.