NFT: NY Knicks-Not on Durants list of initial teams to meet...

My only point is that if you are going to knock the knicks as an option and laugh at the thought that Durant would entertain it, but then suggest Miami is a great options...something is wrong.

In comment 13008822 Reeses Pieces said:

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I'm not even entertaining the thought of landing Durant. Why not shift the attention to Whiteside? People are complaining about losing Lopez's defense, Whiteside throws his own block party night in and night out. A 4/5 of KP and Whiteside is a nightmare for teams that like to finish at the rim. At SG find a good value 3 and D player. The bottom line is that Rose/Melo will do plenty of scoring and KP is a great 3rd option. Find guys that do the intangibles and can knockdown open shots.

Whiteside is a stat stuffer. He's known to ignore his defensive responsibilities to go all in on blocks. That was the good part about RoLo - he did all the necessary shit that didn't get any of the acclaim.

The way the Knicks are built, as far as their key players, spending a max on Whiteside or any other center is a waste of money. RoLo was the perfect fit for the team at a great price. I think Noah would be a very good fit, although I'm partial to Pau if only because he adds a bit more offensively, and he would be a huge help in developing Hernangomez, if only from a translating and cultural assimilation perspective. And I think Phil and the FO believe that Willy can grow into a decent rotational piece.

In comment 13008834 Aspano! said:

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In comment 13008822 Reeses Pieces said: Quote: I'm not even entertaining the thought of landing Durant. Why not shift the attention to Whiteside? People are complaining about losing Lopez's defense, Whiteside throws his own block party night in and night out. A 4/5 of KP and Whiteside is a nightmare for teams that like to finish at the rim. At SG find a good value 3 and D player. The bottom line is that Rose/Melo will do plenty of scoring and KP is a great 3rd option. Find guys that do the intangibles and can knockdown open shots. Whiteside is a stat stuffer. He's known to ignore his defensive responsibilities to go all in on blocks. That was the good part about RoLo - he did all the necessary shit that didn't get any of the acclaim. The way the Knicks are built, as far as their key players, spending a max on Whiteside or any other center is a waste of money. RoLo was the perfect fit for the team at a great price. I think Noah would be a very good fit, although I'm partial to Pau if only because he adds a bit more offensively, and he would be a huge help in developing Hernangomez, if only from a translating and cultural assimilation perspective. And I think Phil and the FO believe that Willy can grow into a decent rotational piece.

Man, I find myself disagreeing with almost everything you say(or see), haha. First off, regarding GS. Now regarding Whiteside. I believe the opposite to be true on both, but we can just agree to disagree.

At least you're not a douche about disagreeing (and I hope I'm not either!), which helps in having a good discussion.

My thinking is that KP at this point is more suited for the 4, but if the team wants to go "small," then KP can slide in at the 5. For that reason, I think they need a big-bodied 5 who can do the little things and is ok playing 20 - 25 minutes a night.

I agree with that assessment. I think KP is best suited as a 4 who will play center plenty in smaller lineups. The perfect 5 will play 25-30 mins a night and should be a defensive/rebounding specialist who cleans up in the paint. To me, that's Whiteside. He will get overpaid considering his skill set and he might be a risk to play late in games, but he just fits, IMO.

In comment 13008854 Keith said:

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I agree with that assessment. I think KP is best suited as a 4 who will play center plenty in smaller lineups. The perfect 5 will play 25-30 mins a night and should be a defensive/rebounding specialist who cleans up in the paint. To me, that's Whiteside. He will get overpaid considering his skill set and he might be a risk to play late in games, but he just fits, IMO.

Whiteside wouldn't be a bad option, sure, but do you really want to max a guy who's gonna play 25 minutes a night, and who you need to take out in the end of games due to his crappy free throw shooting?

To me, Whiteside makes much more sense for a team that has a rotational/role player type piece at the 4.

would be a terrible call. He's whiny and petulant, and beyond that, was benched for major stretched by the Heat. There's even talk if the team is better without him. That's not someone I give a max contract to.

I have to admit, I'm awfully disappointed to not get a meeting while the Clippers without cap space, Heat, and Cs are.

Durant is going to LA because it is home to him since he lived there and "went to college out there".

He actually grew up in the DC area and went to college at Texas.

Just like the proposed Noah deal out there yesterday. Don't believe everything you read.

Knicks are getting a meeting.

In comment 13008871 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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Just like the proposed Noah deal out there yesterday. Don't believe everything you read. Knicks are getting a meeting.

I have no doubt that NY will get a KD meeting. However, i'm being nice when saying NY is a longshot to sign him. Other teams are constructed better and have proven they can win.

In comment 13008871 LawrenceTaylor56 said:

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Just like the proposed Noah deal out there yesterday. Don't believe everything you read. Knicks are getting a meeting.

Thanks for the insider info! Knicks 2016 championship!

BTW, these types of statements and blind hope are why our fans are the laughingstock of many NBA circles.

In comment 13008828 Keith said:

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other than when the big 3 conspired to play together with Wade?

Heat have signed a lot of big time FA's over the years, from Brian Grant to Lamar Odom to Eddie Jones, and they signed the biggest FA in NBA history.

They have amazing weather in the winter, a proven winner as GM, a consistent organization and no income tax.

As far as Melo goes, sure he makes a difference, but no one of importance has ever signed with a Melo team. The Knicks have been a bad team and havent made the playoffs in 3 years. Derrick Rose has played 166 games since 2011. KP is 21.

Why would KD come here again?

and perception, but the chances that he comes here are so slim. I hope that when everyone else is trying to woo Durant, we are focused on getting Whiteside who is a great fit. The kid(and he's most certainly a kid in terms of experience and minutes) is continually progressing and got better as the season went on. He wasn't always great early on, but he was later in the season. His FT shooting improved to 65% as well, so it's not that bad where we can't play him late in games should we need to.

In comment 13008896 Sgrcts said:

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In comment 13008828 Keith said: Quote: other than when the big 3 conspired to play together with Wade? Heat have signed a lot of big time FA's over the years, from Brian Grant to Lamar Odom to Eddie Jones, and they signed the biggest FA in NBA history. They have amazing weather in the winter, a proven winner as GM, a consistent organization and no income tax. As far as Melo goes, sure he makes a difference, but no one of importance has ever signed with a Melo team. The Knicks have been a bad team and havent made the playoffs in 3 years. Derrick Rose has played 166 games since 2011. KP is 21. Why would KD come here again?

Wow, they sure have proven to be a great FA destination of late. Some solid examples. Other than when the big 3 conspired, you got nothing.

Again, I never said KD was coming here. Just taking issue with your statement that was just wrong. You said all of the other teams offer more and would be beneficial to his legacy. You went on to say that he wouldn't tie his legacy to Rose and Melo due to injuries but he would with Miami. It made no sense. I don't think KD is coming here and I'm not too worried about it either. We are finally in a great position where we have game changing players and tons of cap space. The knicks will be a fun place to play moving forward.

is unlike say the Lakers or the Heat, no big time FA's ever have picked the Knicks. Amare was one, but we were the only team willing to give him a max deal since he was uninsurable. Tyson is the only other one in the last 20 years, but we bumbled that anyway. At least with Tyson though the Knicks theoretically looked like an ascending team. Before those guys- Allan Houston? I mean, our history with FA signings is pretty bad, yet year after year Knicks fans pretend as if we have some appeal to them.

In comment 13008901 Keith said:

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In comment 13008896 Sgrcts said: Quote: In comment 13008828 Keith said: Quote: other than when the big 3 conspired to play together with Wade? Heat have signed a lot of big time FA's over the years, from Brian Grant to Lamar Odom to Eddie Jones, and they signed the biggest FA in NBA history. They have amazing weather in the winter, a proven winner as GM, a consistent organization and no income tax. As far as Melo goes, sure he makes a difference, but no one of importance has ever signed with a Melo team. The Knicks have been a bad team and havent made the playoffs in 3 years. Derrick Rose has played 166 games since 2011. KP is 21. Why would KD come here again? Wow, they sure have proven to be a great FA destination of late. Some solid examples. Other than when the big 3 conspired, you got nothing. Again, I never said KD was coming here. Just taking issue with your statement that was just wrong. You said all of the other teams offer more and would be beneficial to his legacy. You went on to say that he wouldn't tie his legacy to Rose and Melo due to injuries but he would with Miami. It made no sense. I don't think KD is coming here and I'm not too worried about it either. We are finally in a great position where we have game changing players and tons of cap space. The knicks will be a fun place to play moving forward.

Eddie Jones and Lamar Odom are nothing? Do you watch basketball?

Tossing away the fact that Lebron James went there as if its irrelevant is pretty amusing.

but we've been a joke. Not so much moving forward. That being said, stop trying to make this about me saying Durant will come to the knicks. I was calling out your ridiculous statement that made no sense. That's all.

RE Whiteside:

Pat Riley said that Hassan Whiteside hasn't reached his ceiling yet.

"He’s 26 years old, he’s a game changer. I don’t think he’s even reached his real ceiling in a couple of areas of the game," Riley said. "And I think that now he’ll be more comfortable once his situation ends." Riley has said that Whiteside will be the Heat's No. 1 priority this offseason, but the big man will likely be a first-round pick in fantasy next season regardless of where he lands in free agency. May 22 - 10:01 AM

basketball a lot. It would be nice if the knicks can put a watchable product on the court.

is my ridiculous statement, and where has the appeal of NY been proven? The Knicks haven't won a championship in over 30 years. They've by and large been a laughingstock for all of the 21st century. Show me the appeal.

Was he not released by the Grizzlies and then signed a league min contract with Miami? Is that really some big FA haul?

Unless a NY team is throwing the most money at a player, in all 3 sports I follow NYC has yet to really be shown as some sort of huge draw for free agents. Players follow money and winning, they don't care about NYC. Its been proven year after year.

In comment 13008907 Sgrcts said:

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Tossing away the fact that Lebron James went there as if its irrelevant is pretty amusing.

He never "tossed away" that LJ played here. You're reading comprehension is "almost" as worse as your basketball acumen.

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Wow, they sure have proven to be a great FA destination of late. Some solid examples. Other than when the big 3 conspired, you got nothing.

In comment 13008914 Keith said:

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Was he not released by the Grizzlies and then signed a league min contract with Miami? Is that really some big FA haul?

He was- but that was the second time he signed with Miami. First time he was coming off an all star season with the Hornets. He put up 20, 4.8, 4.2 and led the league in steals to boot.

Why would KD take a meeting with the Knicks?
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Or more realistically, come here at all? The Knicks situation is infinitely worse then any of the ones you names him taking meetings for. No shot KD ties his legacy to Rose and Melos knees and a 21 year old big man.


I don't see how the Knicks situation is infinitely worse than Miami. Because Eddie Jones signed a league min deal in 2007?

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the first time. They didn't sign him.

In comment 13008918 Canton said:

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In comment 13008907 Sgrcts said: Quote: Tossing away the fact that Lebron James went there as if its irrelevant is pretty amusing. He never "tossed away" that LJ played here. You're reading comprehension is "almost" as worse as your basketball acumen. From Keith Quote: Wow, they sure have proven to be a great FA destination of late. Some solid examples. Other than when the big 3 conspired, you got nothing.

Sure- and the Knicks are a big time free agent destination, we're just waiting for that one franchise guy to sign with us!

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you are arguing something I never said. I am arguing something that you just said. I am not suggesting that the Knicks are a great destination(I do think that next year will be different). I do however think there is an appeal to playing in the Garden, but unfortunately in the past, we have been so poorly run that the team and decisions made that a moot point.

In comment 13008923 Keith said:

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the first time. They didn't sign him.

Ah your right, my memory failed me on that one. Regardless, Miami is a proven FA destination, and even if you don't understand why, the fact KD gave them a meeting and hasn't yet with the Knicks proves that FA's take the Heat far more seriously.

In comment 13008931 Keith said:

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you are arguing something I never said. I am arguing something that you just said. I am not suggesting that the Knicks are a great destination(I do think that next year will be different). I do however think there is an appeal to playing in the Garden, but unfortunately in the past, we have been so poorly run that the team and decisions made that a moot point.

What will make next year different?

1. So you tried to prove that Miami is a great FA destination by mentioning a guy that wasn't a FA, yet you are still going to parrot the statement? My point is that the big 3 was an aberration. They conspired to play together and that was the only place it could happen. Other than that, they certainly have not proven to be a great destination for FA's.

2. Why not wait to see how this unfolds. What happens when the Knicks DO get a meeting?

because I see them as a playoff team this year. I see KP progressing more and they have a TON of cap space next year. I think perception is reality and when FA's see the knicks in the playoffs and moving in the right direction, players will view NY as a quality destination.

In comment 13008936 Keith said:

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1. So you tried to prove that Miami is a great FA destination by mentioning a guy that wasn't a FA, yet you are still going to parrot the statement? My point is that the big 3 was an aberration. They conspired to play together and that was the only place it could happen. Other than that, they certainly have not proven to be a great destination for FA's. 2. Why not wait to see how this unfolds. What happens when the Knicks DO get a meeting?

Again they definitely have though. I named other players, but even besides them, the very fact that Lebron decided thats where he wanted to play proves that Miami is a better destination. If the Knicks signed Lebron, Knicks fans would say "look this proves the Garden IS the Mecca of basketball!". Ignoring the fact that Lebron and Bosh signed there just to prove your point does no such thing.

Even if the Knicks get a meeting it means nothing, because they have no shot at signing KD. Why will our cap space be so much more appealing next year? Our best hope was a KP explosion, but we just decided to make him our 3rd option by trading for a ball dominant point guard. Lets say we sign Whiteside and then resign Rose next year- all of a sudden that cap space is gone. Thats a competing team?

Curry definitely plays off the ball a ton, as evidenced by the fact he didn't even lead his team in assists.

Don't recall ever thinking that.

i think is bs

whether Durant considers us a legitimate option or not, I still believe he will take an meeting to see what phil and hornacek envision with KD MELO Rose KP


however I don't think he will sign with us, I believe he ultimately re-signs with OKC

in the event of him re-signing with okc or another team what would be the best tandem to try and bring in as far as sg/c and who is realistic

what pairing would you guys take as far as listed centers and sgs

C- Horford Dwight Noah Whiteside
Sg-Batum Bazemore Eric Gordon, Lee

personally I would hope we can land a combo of
Whiteside/Bazemore

without the crazy and without the durability.

J. Michael ✔ @JMichaelCSN
The Wizards are NOT going to offer, nor have plans to, Joakim Noah a max deal, I can confirm. #WizardsTalk @CSNWizards

In comment 13008891 Sgrcts said:

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In comment 13008871 LawrenceTaylor56 said: Quote: Just like the proposed Noah deal out there yesterday. Don't believe everything you read. Knicks are getting a meeting. Thanks for the insider info! Knicks 2016 championship! BTW, these types of statements and blind hope are why our fans are the laughingstock of many NBA circles.

Blind hope? By saying he will give the Knicks a meeting? It's not really blind hope. Just kind of realistic. Do you even follow the NBA?

Tyson Chandler wasn't a superstar, but he signed to play with Melo and Amare.

Last offseason, coming off a 17 win season, Knicks got meetings with Monroe, Jordan, and had one with Aldridge (before both sides agreed to cancel it because the Knicks wanted him to play the 5, which he didn't want to do).

Sure, the Knicks have been a laughing stock for 16 years, but they haven't really had any great pieces either. They signed Amare, and then acquired Melo via trade. STAT then proceeded to break down.

They still have Melo, who is well-regarded around the league, considering just last year Dudley called him "overrated." Players also have a different perception of players than fans - Crawford also made some comments right after the Rose trade.

Is Durant to the Knicks likely? Definitely not. But their perception around the league has definitely changed, with Melo, KP and now Rose.

Mannix says Durant was briefed on the Ibaka deal and was said to be excited about Oladipo so those thinking it means he's a goner based on the deal seem incorrect

I don't even follow him on Twitter and yet I still get that information. Fuck.

and Mavs expected to offer Whiteside max as soon as FA opens

In comment 13008993 DanMetroMan said:

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and Mavs expected to offer Whiteside max as soon as FA opens

It's your fault! You quoted Tommy Dee in your tweet so I had to see what he said! #Bastid.

claims we want to meet with Parsons, he of the oft injured, not that great, bad defender, looking for max money.

And it wouldn't be credible.

In comment 13008968 Jon in NYC said:

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J. Michael ✔ @JMichaelCSN The Wizards are NOT going to offer, nor have plans to, Joakim Noah a max deal, I can confirm. #WizardsTalk @CSNWizards

I swear how do these rumors just start to get rolling. Twitter has been mostly bad for sports writers IMO. Many of them no longer even try to verify with reliable sources.

By and large, most good NBA writers graded this deal poorly for the Knicks. Have we seen any big NBA players comment on the Rose deal that I've missed? Knicks fans seem to love it, but I have trouble seeing how it changes our perceptions really. Winning is the only thing that does that.