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Keith : 6/25/2016 9:46 am
Kevin Durant’s representatives "are working to solidify invitations" with the Celtics, Warriors, Clippers, Heat, Spurs and Thunder, according to Adrian Wojnarowski of The Vertical.

According to the report, the meetings are expected to take place in New York, but teams are still awaiting on the specific location. Wojnarowski adds the Thunder are still the frontrunners for a one-plus-one-year deal to allow Durant to hit free agency for the big salary cap rise in 2017. Wojnarowski also said the Warriors "have Durant's attention." Lastly, the report adds Durant is expected to take a tour to the Far East on July 9 and should have a decision before then. OK, everybody got that?



So he's in NY, he's supposedly close with Rose and Melo and yet we aren't on his list of initial teams to meet. That's not a good sign.


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Look at D Wade... talk about bad knees.  
Four Aces : 6/25/2016 9:27 pm : link
But this last year was one of his best in quite awhile. A few years ago, he sat out 20 or games and looked done and is much older than either Melo and Rose.
RE: RE: Still,  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13009282 Aspano! said:
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Oladipo and KP are probably close to a wash in terms of value.

Then you have Westbrook and Adams vs Melo and Rose in terms of other players of value.

Then factor in coaching staff, GM, and ability to attract future free agents?

I may be biased, but I think the Knicks have the edge there.



KP gets the edge over Oladipo.

Westbrook vs Melo isn't very close. Rose is better than Adams by a decent amount, but the question is if he can return to past form. Or stay on the court. Because if not, then that's much closer, if not a win for OKC.

Coaching staff is an unknown, but I would tilt it towards OKC given Donovan's first year. GM has to go to OKC - Presti is a fucking magician.

Ability to attract free agents seems to be more of a function of the roster for top players. They're getting the max anyway, and the market has less effect for them.

OKC can offer more money.

Saying the Knicks' situation is better than OKC's is extremely biased. Probably the biggest advantage the Knicks have is being in the East.


Rose played 66 games last year despite entering the year coming off two major injuries. For comparison's sake, KP played 72 games last year, and no one even thinks of him being injured at all last year. The further away he gets the stronger he'll be. That's the optimistic take at least.

I think giving Donovan the coaching nod is generous. Thunder fans weren't particularly thrilled with him early in the year. I'm also admittedly very bullish on Horny.

The other factor which you didn't address, is that in 2017, even with Durant, we'll have room for another Max. So will the thunder of course, but OKC has had trouble attracting people there in the past. That's unlikely to change.

Don't forget, we're only 3 years away from Presti trading Harden for cents on the dollar because they didn't want to pay him.
RE: RE: RE: Still,  
Aspano! : 6/25/2016 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13009294 Jon in NYC said:
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Oladipo and KP are probably close to a wash in terms of value.

Then you have Westbrook and Adams vs Melo and Rose in terms of other players of value.

Then factor in coaching staff, GM, and ability to attract future free agents?

I may be biased, but I think the Knicks have the edge there.



KP gets the edge over Oladipo.

Westbrook vs Melo isn't very close. Rose is better than Adams by a decent amount, but the question is if he can return to past form. Or stay on the court. Because if not, then that's much closer, if not a win for OKC.

Coaching staff is an unknown, but I would tilt it towards OKC given Donovan's first year. GM has to go to OKC - Presti is a fucking magician.

Ability to attract free agents seems to be more of a function of the roster for top players. They're getting the max anyway, and the market has less effect for them.

OKC can offer more money.

Saying the Knicks' situation is better than OKC's is extremely biased. Probably the biggest advantage the Knicks have is being in the East.



Rose played 66 games last year despite entering the year coming off two major injuries. For comparison's sake, KP played 72 games last year, and no one even thinks of him being injured at all last year. The further away he gets the stronger he'll be. That's the optimistic take at least.

I think giving Donovan the coaching nod is generous. Thunder fans weren't particularly thrilled with him early in the year. I'm also admittedly very bullish on Horny.

The other factor which you didn't address, is that in 2017, even with Durant, we'll have room for another Max. So will the thunder of course, but OKC has had trouble attracting people there in the past. That's unlikely to change.

Don't forget, we're only 3 years away from Presti trading Harden for cents on the dollar because they didn't want to pay him.


Not sure how true that is, or how secure. What if Rose is falling apart? Then the max comes out of not renewing him.

And even if he does stay healthy, what's his cap hold next year? I'm not well-versed enough on the cap to know what effect that has.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Still,  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 9:40 pm : link
In comment 13009298 Aspano! said:
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Oladipo and KP are probably close to a wash in terms of value.

Then you have Westbrook and Adams vs Melo and Rose in terms of other players of value.

Then factor in coaching staff, GM, and ability to attract future free agents?

I may be biased, but I think the Knicks have the edge there.



KP gets the edge over Oladipo.

Westbrook vs Melo isn't very close. Rose is better than Adams by a decent amount, but the question is if he can return to past form. Or stay on the court. Because if not, then that's much closer, if not a win for OKC.

Coaching staff is an unknown, but I would tilt it towards OKC given Donovan's first year. GM has to go to OKC - Presti is a fucking magician.

Ability to attract free agents seems to be more of a function of the roster for top players. They're getting the max anyway, and the market has less effect for them.

OKC can offer more money.

Saying the Knicks' situation is better than OKC's is extremely biased. Probably the biggest advantage the Knicks have is being in the East.



Rose played 66 games last year despite entering the year coming off two major injuries. For comparison's sake, KP played 72 games last year, and no one even thinks of him being injured at all last year. The further away he gets the stronger he'll be. That's the optimistic take at least.

I think giving Donovan the coaching nod is generous. Thunder fans weren't particularly thrilled with him early in the year. I'm also admittedly very bullish on Horny.

The other factor which you didn't address, is that in 2017, even with Durant, we'll have room for another Max. So will the thunder of course, but OKC has had trouble attracting people there in the past. That's unlikely to change.

Don't forget, we're only 3 years away from Presti trading Harden for cents on the dollar because they didn't want to pay him.



Not sure how true that is, or how secure. What if Rose is falling apart? Then the max comes out of not renewing him.

And even if he does stay healthy, what's his cap hold next year? I'm not well-versed enough on the cap to know what effect that has.


It will be close. The cap is jumping another 13M after this season, so if they just add Durant this year, they would have enough. If they added Noah and Durant, they would probably have to get a little creative with Rose's deal if they chose to re-sign him.
And yes, Presti traded away Harden for nothing  
Aspano! : 6/25/2016 9:41 pm : link
But Harden REALLY broke out when he joined the Rockets. He wasn't nearly as dynamic on OKC because of both Durant and Westbrook. He wasn't even starting at the 2 - Thabo Sefolosha was.
I don't think the Knicks  
Aspano! : 6/25/2016 9:57 pm : link
have room for another max next year if they sign Durant. Durant's max I believe is around 28M, Rose's cap hold is 21.3M, plus 30.3 from other salaries, plus 4.5M for KP's team option. That's 84.1M. That doesn't include salaries for Galloway or Thomas if they come back (assume 3M each, which would add another 6M). Another max doesn't fit.
Ill stand on this island  
dep026 : 6/25/2016 10:00 pm : link
by myself, but James Harden was an addition by subtraction. His role in OKC would be 3rd option and he wouldnt even be on the floor at the end of games for how pathetic he is defensively.
RE: I don't think the Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13009328 Aspano! said:
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have room for another max next year if they sign Durant. Durant's max I believe is around 28M, Rose's cap hold is 21.3M, plus 30.3 from other salaries, plus 4.5M for KP's team option. That's 84.1M. That doesn't include salaries for Galloway or Thomas if they come back (assume 3M each, which would add another 6M). Another max doesn't fit.


Well they certainly could get close if they worked at it.

Either way, a Rose-Durant-Melo-KP-Noah

roster probably doesn't need a ton of work. Assuming health is good, that's a monster team.
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Aspano! : 6/25/2016 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13009343 Jon in NYC said:
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have room for another max next year if they sign Durant. Durant's max I believe is around 28M, Rose's cap hold is 21.3M, plus 30.3 from other salaries, plus 4.5M for KP's team option. That's 84.1M. That doesn't include salaries for Galloway or Thomas if they come back (assume 3M each, which would add another 6M). Another max doesn't fit.



Well they certainly could get close if they worked at it.

Either way, a Rose-Durant-Melo-KP-Noah

roster probably doesn't need a ton of work. Assuming health is good, that's a monster team.


Not really. The only option would be to stretch KOQ or trade him, and even then it's only 4M.
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Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 10:09 pm : link
In comment 13009349 Aspano! said:
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have room for another max next year if they sign Durant. Durant's max I believe is around 28M, Rose's cap hold is 21.3M, plus 30.3 from other salaries, plus 4.5M for KP's team option. That's 84.1M. That doesn't include salaries for Galloway or Thomas if they come back (assume 3M each, which would add another 6M). Another max doesn't fit.



Well they certainly could get close if they worked at it.

Either way, a Rose-Durant-Melo-KP-Noah

roster probably doesn't need a ton of work. Assuming health is good, that's a monster team.



Not really. The only option would be to stretch KOQ or trade him, and even then it's only 4M.


Plus the 13 they would come in with. 17M. Then if you re-sign Rose to a deal with escalators that's another way to clear up space.
So Rose is going to sign a deal with escalators  
Aspano! : 6/25/2016 10:19 pm : link
to stay with the Knicks, versus another team who, after a good year, would just sign him for guaranteed money? What allegiance does he have after one year with the Knicks to do such a thing?

And that's not even mentioning that escalators don't really exist in the NBA.
RE: I don't think the Knicks  
Lopes1984 : 6/25/2016 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13009328 Aspano! said:
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have room for another max next year if they sign Durant. Durant's max I believe is around 28M, Rose's cap hold is 21.3M, plus 30.3 from other salaries, plus 4.5M for KP's team option. That's 84.1M. That doesn't include salaries for Galloway or Thomas if they come back (assume 3M each, which would add another 6M). Another max doesn't fit.


Right now the only contracts the Knicks have on the books for next year are Carmelo, Porzingis, and O'Quinn. Those 3 total up to $34.8 million. The cap hold for Rose is $22.4 million. Add all of that with ~$28 mil for Durant and they are at $85.2 million in committed salaries towards an estimated cap of $107m.

If they can move O'Quinn, which you wouldn't think should be too hard, and they would have about $26m to work with. This is all going by data on sportrac, so assuming that is correct.
Yes  
Aspano! : 6/25/2016 10:25 pm : link
and max contracts go by 25%, 30% and 35% depending on years of service. And generally speaking, 25% max contract guys are usually RFAs, which is the case for next year (Oladipo being one of them).

And again, that's assuming Galloway and Thomas are both off the roster. It's not gonna work.
RE: Deej  
giantsfan44ab : 6/25/2016 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13009255 Big Rick in FL said:
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I agree. I've seen a lot of people say KP has potential to be a top 3-5 player in the league. Idk if Oladipo is ever going to be top 10 at his position. He's in his 3rd year & got benched last year. He couldn't deal with Payton. How's he going to work with a ball dominant PG like Westbrook?


He's probably already a top 10 SG. He didn't get any spacing in Orlando. Just watch, he will become an above average 3 point shooter, elite defender, and playmaker.
RE: So Rose is going to sign a deal with escalators  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13009373 Aspano! said:
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to stay with the Knicks, versus another team who, after a good year, would just sign him for guaranteed money? What allegiance does he have after one year with the Knicks to do such a thing?

And that's not even mentioning that escalators don't really exist in the NBA.


Escalators 100% do exist in the NBA. In fact, every single player on the Knicks has one.
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Those aren't escalators per say  
Sgrcts : 6/25/2016 11:33 pm : link
Basically every contract in the NBA increases per year. However there are limits to how much you can give a player in a raise each season- 4.5%, and that raise is always based off the first seasons salary(i.e. It's a 450 raise each season).
The only reason to get Rose is to get Durant  
Vanzetti : 6/26/2016 1:20 am : link
If it doesn't work, then you let Rose go, trade Melo and tank for another two years.

In the meantime, Knick fans at least get to enjoy a competitive season with Rose, Melo, KP, and whatever big man Phil signs. Hopefully Gasol not the incredibly overrated Noah.

Vescey was on wfan  
nygiants16 : 6/26/2016 2:15 am : link
Said Melo had dinner with kd last night, maybe kd is just taking a bunch if little meetings with the knicks in the former of melo...

RE: Vescey was on wfan  
giantsfan44ab : 6/26/2016 7:14 am : link
In comment 13009456 nygiants16 said:
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Said Melo had dinner with kd last night, maybe kd is just taking a bunch if little meetings with the knicks in the former of melo...


Or maybe he's just being nice to Melo so it doesn't seem he doesn't want to sniff his friend's team.
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