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Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 11:10 am
Moved to NFT. Thoughts on US starting 11?
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No idea about the starting 11.  
Mr. Bungle : 6/25/2016 11:59 am : link
But can we fantasize about Klinsmann going to Southampton?
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"With nothing to lose...."  
ColHowPepper : 6/25/2016 12:07 pm : link
ha! Maybe Klinsmann does what he should have done vs. Argentina and doesn't trot out the experienced but ineffectual guys whom he subbed for
Bedoya, Jones, and Wood. Maybe we see some of Pulisic and even Nagbe.
But chances are he starts the same group as vs. Ecuador except that Yedlin will go back to outside right, maybe Johnson moves up to left mid with Besler moving to Johnson's spot. It would give me hope if I never see either Zusi or Wondo on the USMNT pitch any more.

I thought this was a pretty good piece, reflected much of the commentary here on BBI last week.

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/69321/if-the-song-remains-the-same-how-can-it-be-rewrit.html

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A thorough butt-kicking inflicted by Argentina was fairly represented by the scoreline and had the Americans been at full-strength rather than deprived of starters Alejandro Bedoya, Jermaine Jones and Bobby Wood the margin would have been narrower. The best teams in the world are still much better than the USA as has been the case for many decades, but the insertion of Graham Zusi, Kyle Beckerman and Chris Wondolowskiaccentuated the differences.

There doesn’t seem to be much consensus about what can be done to ramp up the national team, other than magically transform MLS into one of the world’s greatest leagues and turn every domestic elite player into a potential World Cup starter. But what can be done is to look at the semifinal and determine what hidden truths, if any, can be comprehended.

LINEUP CHOICES. Not for the first time in his tenure did Klinsmann take on a tough task and make it worse through questionable decisions.

Why Klinsmann excluded an experienced, reliable defender in Matt Besler -- who manned the left-back slot in the quarterfinal against Ecuador -- with a shorthanded squad taking on the best player in the world is difficult to fathom.


Lots of other pithy stuff
Great  
gmenrule : 6/25/2016 12:16 pm : link
another chance to shit the bed. The only way the US men win this game is if they let the US women play it.
I actually think  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 12:18 pm : link
we'll have a decent shot. I doubt James, Cuadrado or Bacca play.

Hopefully Nagbe and Pulisic do, but knowing Klinsmann, I doubt it.
I think that US players as well as the team  
SwirlingEddie : 6/25/2016 12:21 pm : link
need a lot more time against the highest end competition in order to get to that next level. They aren't getting it in CONCACAF or MLS. As much as youth development gets all the attention, stretching ourselves at the very top is also necessary to give the US a higher ceiling. We aren't as bad as we looked against ARG the other night, but we have to honestly face the work still to be done to get into a top 10 peer group.
Expect a Win  
Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 2:00 pm : link
Doubt the Colombians play their best 11 or that they are going to be enthused about the game, hope the US plays its best 11 and that they truly understand the importance of this game. Also hoping that we see some of the younger players against this level of competition. Only way for them to develop is games against quality opponents.
RE: I actually think  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13008859 Jon in NYC said:
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we'll have a decent shot. I doubt James, Cuadrado or Bacca play.

Hopefully Nagbe and Pulisic do, but knowing Klinsmann, I doubt it.


Real Madrid will throw a conniption fit if James plays in a third place game
What happened to the  
section125 : 6/25/2016 5:12 pm : link
kid Green that scored the goal against Belgium after they went down 2-0 in OT in the WC?
RE: What happened to the  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 5:18 pm : link
In comment 13009094 section125 said:
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kid Green that scored the goal against Belgium after they went down 2-0 in OT in the WC?

Nothing good. I believe he turned down a transfer to Hannover, and didn't play all that well for the second team.
RE: RE: What happened to the  
section125 : 6/25/2016 5:24 pm : link
In comment 13009098 Jon in NYC said:
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In comment 13009094 section125 said:


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kid Green that scored the goal against Belgium after they went down 2-0 in OT in the WC?


Nothing good. I believe he turned down a transfer to Hannover, and didn't play all that well for the second team.


He's still only 23... Too bad, looked like a great find for USMNT.
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Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13009102 section125 said:
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kid Green that scored the goal against Belgium after they went down 2-0 in OT in the WC?


Nothing good. I believe he turned down a transfer to Hannover, and didn't play all that well for the second team.



He's still only 23... Too bad, looked like a great find for USMNT.


He's actually only 20. Definitely not writing him off at all.
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section125 : 6/25/2016 5:40 pm : link
In comment 13009110 Jon in NYC said:
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He's actually only 20. Definitely not writing him off at all.


Wow only 20. Thanks Jon. I thought he would have been a stalwart by now.
I still think the future is getting brighter - if JK would cut loose with the old fogeys.
They're  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 6:58 pm : link
playing the same Xi they have, except for Birnbaum for Brooks.

What a fucking joke.

Also, get Jack Harrison on the USMNT immediately. What a beast.
RE: They're  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13009154 Jon in NYC said:
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playing the same Xi they have, except for Birnbaum for Brooks.

What a fucking joke.

Also, get Jack Harrison on the USMNT immediately. What a beast.


Sorry, not quite accurate. They're playing Besler for Brooks and Orozco for Johnson.
And Howard  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 7:00 pm : link
for Guzan.
James, Cuadrado, Bacca all in for Colombia  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 7:11 pm : link
so on their side they were able to clear it with the club teams (or in James' case, hung up the phone on Real's conniption fit)
Harrison looked great today again  
B in ALB : 6/25/2016 7:43 pm : link
He's got his citizenship squared away right? I would think so considering he played hs soccer here.
James isn't long for Real Madrid  
Go Terps : 6/25/2016 8:07 pm : link
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Lineup  
Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 8:13 pm : link
Just started watching. Any explanation for the absence of Brooks or Johnson?
RE: Lineup  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13009196 Jeffrey said:
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Just started watching. Any explanation for the absence of Brooks or Johnson?


Both injured.

Is this Stu Holden doing color? He's doing a great job.
RE: James isn't long for Real Madrid  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 8:19 pm : link
In comment 13009188 Go Terps said:
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Even so they'd prefer that James sit so there is no risk on getting at least a decent part of their transfer fee back

GREAT save by Howard!
Darn, if the ref played advantage  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 8:21 pm : link
Zardes would have had a GREAT chance
This  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:21 pm : link
is a very open game. Goals will be scored.
RE: This  
AcidTest : 6/25/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13009202 Jon in NYC said:
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is a very open game. Goals will be scored.


Yes, wide open.
Well  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:26 pm : link
goals will be scored just as a byproduct of Michael Orozco being on the field playing defense.
I really like Bobby Wood  
B in ALB : 6/25/2016 8:26 pm : link
He works so damned hard out there.

What a difference from that stiff Wondolowski. That dude shouldn't even be on the bench. He should be cleaning porta potties.
RE: I really like Bobby Wood  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13009208 B in ALB said:
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He works so damned hard out there.

What a difference from that stiff Wondolowski. That dude shouldn't even be on the bench. He should be cleaning porta potties.


Yup. He should have moved past Jozy as our 1st choice striker IMO.

Wood + Morris is the future strike partnership.
Getting a little chippy  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 8:30 pm : link
JJ is feisty

Besler fouls James who almost kicks him back in the nether regions
Actually Surprised So Far  
Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 8:30 pm : link
By how wide open the game is and the way the US team is holding its own. Would have expected more of a defensive approach with two of the back four missing.
Anybody know if the US  
B in ALB : 6/25/2016 8:30 pm : link
plays in this tournament next year? I'm not clear at all about the selection criteria year to year.
Colombia 1-0  
Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 8:40 pm : link
Bedoya loses his mark and Yedlin loses his and the result is a goal.
I choose  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:41 pm : link
to blame that goal on Orozco.
Shoot  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:46 pm : link
the damn ball Bobby. Took two touches too many. Can't do that in the 18.
Blame is Tough  
Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 8:49 pm : link
I do not expect perfection from any of them-- even the best lose their mark particularly when the execution is so precise. Orozco had to vacate his spot to cover the outside attack
Dempsey  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 8:51 pm : link
is a wonderful passer in tight situations. He's our best out and out striker, but he has 3 assists this tournament and probably should have more if he wasn't playing with Zardes and Bedoya.
Down 1-0 at HT but I like the performance  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 8:55 pm : link
The US is going for it. They've still got a lot of work to do developmentally when it comes to building attacks and finishing outside of Dempsey
IMHO, US has just played  
section125 : 6/25/2016 8:57 pm : link
their best 1/2 this tournament. Just failing to get it into the net.

Better chances. One stupid defensive lapse.

Zardes has been infinitely better on the 1st touch tonight.
RE: Down 1-0 at HT but I like the performance  
Jeffrey : 6/25/2016 8:58 pm : link
In comment 13009238 dpinzow said:
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The US is going for it. They've still got a lot of work to do developmentally when it comes to building attacks and finishing outside of Dempsey


Agree with this completely. I believe that was one of the better halves the team has played, particularly considering who is missing. Though Brooks had a poor game against Argentina, his presence in the middle of the back line changes attacks. Not a knock on either Besler or Cameron who both played well but you simply cannot replace Brooks size.
Seems like everyone wants to move on from Dempsey  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/25/2016 9:08 pm : link
But he's the closest thing we have to a true No. 10 on the team, which is pretty sad.
Dempsey with a great free kick  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 9:17 pm : link
even better save by Ospina. So close
Phenomenal  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 9:18 pm : link
free kick by Dempsey.

Great save.

Messi would have scored.
That  
AcidTest : 6/25/2016 9:19 pm : link
was a fantastic save by the Colombian goalie. One of the best you’ll ever see. Great free kick from Dempsey.
RE: That  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13009267 AcidTest said:
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was a fantastic save by the Colombian goalie. One of the best you’ll ever see. Great free kick from Dempsey.


Ospina plays a lot better for Colombia than he does for Arsenal. That goes in when Ospina is screwing up at club level
Cuadrado chip off the crossbar  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 9:27 pm : link
Univision announcer hilariously breaks into English and says "not today buddy"
Now Wood hits the post!  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 9:28 pm : link
He should have scored!
Both  
AcidTest : 6/25/2016 9:31 pm : link
teams hit the post. They are really trying to win. Up and back.
Wood  
Jon in NYC : 6/25/2016 9:35 pm : link
tried to dribble the ball into the fucking net again. Shoot the damn ball.

I caught the "not today buddy" as well on Univision. So freaking great.
The US deserves to be level  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 9:35 pm : link
they've been the better team in the second half
Pulisic for Bedoya  
dpinzow : 6/25/2016 9:40 pm : link
Cuadrado subbed out for Colombia
Have really enjoyed the US effort, especially in the second half  
pganut : 6/25/2016 9:42 pm : link
Question: with the style Klinsmann has had the team playing, would a healthy Aron Johannsson have made any difference, and if he can ever overcome the injury bug, is he of value to this squad?
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