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sphinx : 6/25/2016 3:43 pm


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Oh well. We won a game  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 10:38 pm : link
in which Teheran was pitching. I take that as a huge victory. 2 back of the Nats! Lets win tomorrow.
RE: RE: As curious as I am at De Aza  
Shecky : 6/25/2016 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13009381 Eric on Li said:
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How does TC allow him to play the field the next inning. This has been allowed to happen for how long now??? Inexcusable. Tear him a new asshole



Totally agree Shecky. By and large the players play hard for Terry, but I had a major flashback to last year's discussions of fundamentals watching that play.


HAAAAAAAAA. "It's only spring training" - can't forget that back and forth - I didn't let that one go all season.

De Aza is struggling, so be it. It happens. He was pissed and didn't hustle. Pisses me off, but it happens. He was angry at not doing his job. But Collins not doing anything about it - inexcusable. Terry better get a tongue lashing over this.

Personally, I was pissed off about Ces slowly walking to first too. Wild pitch on ball 4, RUN. But never, EVER just walk to first regardless.
great win - getting really pumped to see Reyes back  
Eric on Li : 6/25/2016 10:42 pm : link
just saw someone retweeted him and he's made like 5 twitter posts about how excited he is along with 4 or 5 instagrams. If he can even simply play the way he did for half the year in Toronto last year (.285, 20 xbh, 16 steals and only 2 CS) he's gonna be a huge addition in the leadoff spot.
Reyes  
Shecky : 6/25/2016 10:44 pm : link
I wish there was a way to see the threads right after Reyes was traded to the Rockies for Tulo. All the discussions about what people would be willing to give up to get him. And how much of his contract people here were willing to take on.
I just hope Reyes still has th e same  
spike : 6/25/2016 10:47 pm : link
speed that he had with the Mets.

Can't wait to see Nimmo in LF tomorrow
RE: RE: RE: As curious as I am at De Aza  
sphinx : 6/25/2016 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13009397 Shecky said:
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In comment 13009381 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 13009378 Shecky said: Quote: How does TC allow him to play the field the next inning. This has been allowed to happen for how long now??? Inexcusable. Tear him a new asshole

Totally agree Shecky. By and large the players play hard for Terry, but I had a major flashback to last year's discussions of fundamentals watching that play.

HAAAAAAAAA. "It's only spring training" - can't forget that back and forth - I didn't let that one go all season.

De Aza is struggling, so be it. It happens. He was pissed and didn't hustle. Pisses me off, but it happens. He was angry at not doing his job. But Collins not doing anything about it - inexcusable. Terry better get a tongue lashing over this.

Personally, I was pissed off about Ces slowly walking to first too. Wild pitch on ball 4, RUN. But never, EVER just walk to first regardless.

Was there a legit reason given for Ces not sliding into 2nd early in the game. I had no audio.

RE: Reyes  
Eric on Li : 6/25/2016 10:47 pm : link
In comment 13009401 Shecky said:
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I wish there was a way to see the threads right after Reyes was traded to the Rockies for Tulo. All the discussions about what people would be willing to give up to get him. And how much of his contract people here were willing to take on.


I very much remember being 1 of those people, though ultimately Sandy obviously did the exact right thing. Cabrera may end up being one of the best bargains of the entire offseason. Jhonny Peralta with better defense for half price.
Trying to figure out a lineup when Reyes joins...  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 10:48 pm : link
Nimmo is really built for the 2 hole. Doubt Collins puts him there though. He probably hits 8th which sucks.

I actually like Granderson in the 2 hole too. He takes a ton of pitches which will allow Reyes to run and his OBP is creeping up again.

Reyes
Granderson
Cespedes
Walker
Loney
TDA
Cabrera
Nimmo
?

Not really thrilled with that setup. Really wish we had one more big threat in the middle of the lineup protecting Cespedes. Walker is meh...
RE: RE: RE: RE: As curious as I am at De Aza  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13009403 sphinx said:
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In comment 13009381 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 13009378 Shecky said: Quote: How does TC allow him to play the field the next inning. This has been allowed to happen for how long now??? Inexcusable. Tear him a new asshole

Totally agree Shecky. By and large the players play hard for Terry, but I had a major flashback to last year's discussions of fundamentals watching that play.

HAAAAAAAAA. "It's only spring training" - can't forget that back and forth - I didn't let that one go all season.

De Aza is struggling, so be it. It happens. He was pissed and didn't hustle. Pisses me off, but it happens. He was angry at not doing his job. But Collins not doing anything about it - inexcusable. Terry better get a tongue lashing over this.

Personally, I was pissed off about Ces slowly walking to first too. Wild pitch on ball 4, RUN. But never, EVER just walk to first regardless.


Was there a legit reason given for Ces not sliding into 2nd early in the game. I had no audio.


Nope. I assumed sprained wrist, ankle, ect. but it could just be Ces being Ces. Who knows?
RE: Reyes  
Vanzetti : 6/25/2016 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13009401 Shecky said:
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I wish there was a way to see the threads right after Reyes was traded to the Rockies for Tulo. All the discussions about what people would be willing to give up to get him. And how much of his contract people here were willing to take on.


I don't remember any discussions about getting Reyes back but I remember plenty about trying to acquire Tulo. One writer wanted to trade Thor and Conforto for Tulo. How bad would that have been?
2 games back  
spike : 6/25/2016 10:51 pm : link
and we get several cracks at the struggling Nats
RE: RE: Reyes  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 10:53 pm : link
In comment 13009407 Vanzetti said:
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I wish there was a way to see the threads right after Reyes was traded to the Rockies for Tulo. All the discussions about what people would be willing to give up to get him. And how much of his contract people here were willing to take on.



I don't remember any discussions about getting Reyes back but I remember plenty about trying to acquire Tulo. One writer wanted to trade Thor and Conforto for Tulo. How bad would that have been?


Two players people here constantly campaigned for were Gomez and Tulo. Thank God we didn't trade for either.
I mean Gomez is basically De Aza bad  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 10:55 pm : link
with more than double the atbats. Can you imagine giving up Wheeler for that asshole?

Thank you Sandy for following your gut and pulling out of that trade. We owe you more than you could ever know. lol
Nats are struggling  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 10:56 pm : link
Its really insane we can realistically take them for first place with everything that has gone on with us this year.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As curious as I am at De Aza  
NJGiantFan84 : 6/25/2016 10:57 pm : link
In comment 13009406 ZGiants98 said:
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In comment 13009381 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 13009378 Shecky said: Quote: How does TC allow him to play the field the next inning. This has been allowed to happen for how long now??? Inexcusable. Tear him a new asshole

Totally agree Shecky. By and large the players play hard for Terry, but I had a major flashback to last year's discussions of fundamentals watching that play.

HAAAAAAAAA. "It's only spring training" - can't forget that back and forth - I didn't let that one go all season.

De Aza is struggling, so be it. It happens. He was pissed and didn't hustle. Pisses me off, but it happens. He was angry at not doing his job. But Collins not doing anything about it - inexcusable. Terry better get a tongue lashing over this.

Personally, I was pissed off about Ces slowly walking to first too. Wild pitch on ball 4, RUN. But never, EVER just walk to first regardless.


Was there a legit reason given for Ces not sliding into 2nd early in the game. I had no audio.




Nope. I assumed sprained wrist, ankle, ect. but it could just be Ces being Ces. Who knows?


Nobody says it but I still think his "bruised" thigh from diving into the stands bothers him, especially after he slid a few games later and further harmed the injury. He hsnt slid much since which has caused some minor ankle issues. He slipped in LA and then again yesterday when not sliding. But I think it goes back to the injury from the stands.
The next 15 straight nights  
spike : 6/25/2016 11:02 pm : link
will determine how far the Mets go this season
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: As curious as I am at De Aza  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13009415 NJGiantFan84 said:
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In comment 13009381 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 13009378 Shecky said: Quote: How does TC allow him to play the field the next inning. This has been allowed to happen for how long now??? Inexcusable. Tear him a new asshole

Totally agree Shecky. By and large the players play hard for Terry, but I had a major flashback to last year's discussions of fundamentals watching that play.

HAAAAAAAAA. "It's only spring training" - can't forget that back and forth - I didn't let that one go all season.

De Aza is struggling, so be it. It happens. He was pissed and didn't hustle. Pisses me off, but it happens. He was angry at not doing his job. But Collins not doing anything about it - inexcusable. Terry better get a tongue lashing over this.

Personally, I was pissed off about Ces slowly walking to first too. Wild pitch on ball 4, RUN. But never, EVER just walk to first regardless.


Was there a legit reason given for Ces not sliding into 2nd early in the game. I had no audio.




Nope. I assumed sprained wrist, ankle, ect. but it could just be Ces being Ces. Who knows?



Nobody says it but I still think his "bruised" thigh from diving into the stands bothers him, especially after he slid a few games later and further harmed the injury. He hsnt slid much since which has caused some minor ankle issues. He slipped in LA and then again yesterday when not sliding. But I think it goes back to the injury from the stands.


Could be. They've said he has had hip issues since the beginning of the year. The stands play maybe exasperated that? He's really a tough dude. I can't believe he didn't come out last night. I dont know what to say. Some of the things he does is really admirable. Other things you just shake your head....
July 2  
spike : 6/25/2016 11:04 pm : link
Syndergaard vs Arrieta.

Must watch game this month!
De Aza trending twitter  
stillpoe : 6/25/2016 11:26 pm : link
You know you're trash when that many people on twitter are screaming for you to be DFA'd even though you're nothing more than a glorified 5th OF.
I guess you could swap  
ZGiants98 : 6/25/2016 11:29 pm : link
De Aza for Bernadina. He's having a pretty nice season and can play a little CF. A move like that certainly isn't blowing my skirt up and I doubt it moves the needle in any direction a spec but whatevs...
** It's Official **  
sphinx : 6/25/2016 11:38 pm : link
deGrom's legs are skinnier than Eli's.

........................  
sphinx : 6/25/2016 11:40 pm : link
James Wagner
TC on IBB'ing go-ahead run (Freeman) in 11th to face Markakis: "I know that Nick is swinging the bat good but Ive had enough of Freddie."

Maybe we can trade De aza for Capt Kirk from the Brewers  
spike : 6/25/2016 11:52 pm : link
..
Nobody dislikes De Aza more than I do  
Vanzetti : 6/25/2016 11:59 pm : link
I think I can safely say I hold a hefty lead in negative posts about him.

But I don't think tonight merits getting cut. As Shecky said, his not running was partly out of frustration. It is still inexcusable not to run on a pop bunt but I would keep him around until Lagares is ready to return to action. However, he should definitely be benched for a few days otherwise you send the message lackadaisical play is OK. Cespedes deserves to be benched as well but he is too important to bench, So sit De Aza for a few games.
Cecchini with a double and a triple tonight  
Vanzetti : 6/26/2016 12:06 am : link
BA is up to .330

Vegas destroyed Clayton Blackburn, one of the Sf Giants top pitching prospects.

Unfortunately Montero got lit up as well.

But if Gavin can overcome his mental block in the field, he can be a very good player. Especially as he starts to add a little power.

RE: RE: RE: Reyes  
Shecky : 6/26/2016 12:19 am : link
In comment 13009410 ZGiants98 said:
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Two players people here constantly campaigned for were Gomez and Tulo. Thank God we didn't trade for either.


Thank JP for no Tulo. About the only thing he's contributed in years. But there was a TON of Tulo supporters (I'll admit, I wanted him). It was closer than most probably think but JP was adamant he was done. Something about being done, a horse, and a glue factory ;)
I thought the Tulo talk was mostly the media  
Vanzetti : 6/26/2016 1:11 am : link
Guess not. Thank God for JP. That trade would have set this franchise back bigtime, both in terms of money and prospects.

There were certainly signs Tulo was regressing  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 1:24 am : link
Same for Gomez if you looked close enough. Whew.
We literally have 4 OF on the roster right now too. lol  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 1:26 am : link
De Aza is the ONLY backup until Verrett or Gilmartin go back to AAA.
The guy I wanted was Carlos Gonzalez  
Four Aces : 6/26/2016 6:42 am : link
He would fit in nicely
I know I wanted Gonzalez and/or Tulo  
bhill410 : 6/26/2016 9:15 am : link
I don't think many here actually wanted Gomez last year (maybe year before) especially at cost of wheeler plus Flores. Gomez was atrocious last year, outside of being able to control him this year no idea why we were even kicking that tree
RE: I know I wanted Gonzalez and/or Tulo  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 13009525 bhill410 said:
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I don't think many here actually wanted Gomez last year (maybe year before) especially at cost of wheeler plus Flores. Gomez was atrocious last year, outside of being able to control him this year no idea why we were even kicking that tree


Not going to make any specific posters feel bad, but I battled people here about Gomez daily last year. The argument was that he had had a 3 year stretch of very high production and could bounce back. The guy sucks.
Half the people  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 11:32 am : link
on here were excited for the Carlos Gomez trade so no one really has a right to criticize others desires to improve the team. Whether it was Tulo, CarGo, Kemp (some people wanted Kemp IIRC) or anyone else.

My whole stance has been wanting to trade with the Red Sox for Betts or Bogearts because the Sox pitching is brutal and their offense could be historic, but that ship has sailed. Now you're looking at trying to pry away Moncada or Benitendi with them if you want a prospect, no chance they deal Betts or Bogaerts.

I will also admit to wanting to considering Jurickson Profar, but that was pre second injury. But at 23, it seems he's now rounding into the prospect many thought he'd be (at least offensively).
Obviously Sandy also wanted Gomez since he agreed to trade for him  
Eric on Li : 6/26/2016 11:49 am : link
whichever of our doctors flagged his medicals certainly deserves a fat bonus. Revisionist history is almost always fun but rarely all that accurate. Most were pretty indiscriminate in wanting them to upgrade anywhere possible - whether it was the Tulo rumors in January, the Desmond rumors in March, the Zobrist rumors in June, Gomez/Bruce/Upton/CarGo/Cespedes in July. And as someone pointed out yesterday we even discussed Reyes once he was dealt to the Rox. Ironically Cespedes was apparently the organization's plan Z and he ended up being the best case scenario. Though blocking Zobrist from going to KC wouldn't have been such a bad thing.
Sure, some people were wrong about Gomez. So what? I don't  
PhiPsi125 : 6/26/2016 11:55 am : link
understand the need to point out that you were right while others were wrong. Especially when I argued with those very same people who were killing Cespedes in the offseason for some of the most ridiculous, unfounded things. Can't hit the high heat, bat speed trending down, and there were plenty of other doozies. Yeah, well, he's only continued to be one of the best offensive players in the game.

Nobody is going to get them right all the time.
It's just when certain  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 12:03 pm : link
Poster make comments like "I don't think their were any posters here that liked Gomez... Ect" I feel the need to defend that point.

I agree. It's petty. Let's move on.
RE: Sure, some people were wrong about Gomez. So what? I don't  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13009700 PhiPsi125 said:
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understand the need to point out that you were right while others were wrong. Especially when I argued with those very same people who were killing Cespedes in the offseason for some of the most ridiculous, unfounded things. Can't hit the high heat, bat speed trending down, and there were plenty of other doozies. Yeah, well, he's only continued to be one of the best offensive players in the game.

Nobody is going to get them right all the time.


You're also twisting your Cespedes info. Shecky mentioned that the organization didn't think he'd AGE well and that was one of the reasons they didn't want to offer him a long term deal. I used that rationale in some of my explanations because I believe Shecky is legit. Obviously, ALL of baseball had a similar stance as nobody offered Cespedes a deal. Cespedes however, was not only my number one deadline want but also my number one offseason get. We can go back and check the threads.
I guess.  
PhiPsi125 : 6/26/2016 12:07 pm : link
For what it's worth. I didn't like the trade but I admit that I was probably excited about Gomez. Tough to remember completely because the whole situation around that trade became so bizarre. Of course, very glad it didn't happen.

It's like future-Sandy went back in time and told present-Sandy "no fucking way."
Im just really happy Sandy trusted his gut  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 12:11 pm : link
and pulled out. He was under a lot of pressure to make a deal and the backlash wasn't great at first.

Gomez was just somebody I got in many arguments here with last year long before the deadline so I remember him specifically. lol. I wasn't trying to call anyone out. I apologize.
RE: I guess.  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13009721 PhiPsi125 said:
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For what it's worth. I didn't like the trade but I admit that I was probably excited about Gomez. Tough to remember completely because the whole situation around that trade became so bizarre. Of course, very glad it didn't happen.

It's like future-Sandy went back in time and told present-Sandy "no fucking way."


I had no thoughts about Gomez either way - it was obvious the offense needed help and as a fan I trust the FO to get it, but as soon as the first tear dropped from Flores' eye I regretted the trade and it couldn't have worked out any better other than a storybook season end - which we didn't quite get.

Hopefully this year, I cringe after every pitcher start except those ironically from the 43-year old Colon, so hopefully they all stay healthy and Wheeler joins the team post AS break as planned and gains some command. Will be nice to have an insurance policy in case one of the starters does need a breather.
Yes, Z, you are correct. That poster did state that those negatives  
PhiPsi125 : 6/26/2016 12:13 pm : link
came from the front office and certain people took those things as gospel and ran with it. But the claims were so ridiculous in nature that it was obvious that the seeds were being planted to excuse the reason for not signing him. It was so easy to see through. It was comical.

Just because some poster may have some type of insider info doesn't mean you have to believe the garbage that they throw out their (the FO, not the poster).
I also dont think Cespedes was plan "Z"  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 12:15 pm : link
There were 2-3 big names available at the deadline. Sandy seemed to be involved with all of them. The Gomez fiasco happened two days before Sandy spent almost the whole day down to the wire working on Cespedes. Bruce was also another target and reports came out Sandy was working both for periods at the same time early that day.
RE: Yes, Z, you are correct. That poster did state that those negatives  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13009729 PhiPsi125 said:
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came from the front office and certain people took those things as gospel and ran with it. But the claims were so ridiculous in nature that it was obvious that the seeds were being planted to excuse the reason for not signing him. It was so easy to see through. It was comical.

Just because some poster may have some type of insider info doesn't mean you have to believe the garbage that they throw out their (the FO, not the poster).


Eh. It seemed rational to me. I think Shecky said it was going around baseball circles or something like that. Why else wouldn't more teams have wanted to get involved? t still think Cespedes is prone to the high heat and pitch outside and away however.... One of the transformations with Cespedes this year is that he laying off the pitch away a lot. Credit to him. He's obviously in the midst of his best season ever currently.
Eh, anything can seem rational if you want it to. I think  
PhiPsi125 : 6/26/2016 12:37 pm : link
it was fairly obvious that they were excuses for not being able to sign him. The Mets clearly lucked out with it being an extreme pitchers market last offseason. It wasn't a good offseason for hitters in general, especially ones that had a pick tied to it. I certainly don't believe for one second that all the teams just happened to believe the voodoo that the Mets FO were spewing. And to just completely throw out his terrific track record. Come on.

Let's see if all those teams have those same excuses after this season when he's on the market again.
I think he's going to have a much  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 12:52 pm : link
bigger market this year because of everything e's currently doing but again his age will have some effect on what he gets. He's going to be one year older. Somebody will probably give him 5 years though.

And you're probably right Phi. I think I may have been trying to excuse the front office if they weren't going to offer him a long term deal. I was certainly searching for the "why". It wasn't money IMO. They had no problem offering him 25 per up to three years.
I gotcha Z  
PhiPsi125 : 6/26/2016 1:06 pm : link
I still do think money had the most weight on the decision. It's clear they weren't going to pay any more than $75 million over three years. And I'm sure they view this as a one year deal more than a three year deal since it was highly likely he'd be opting out barring an injury or catastrophic season. In fact, I'm sure the one year opt out was the main selling point.

So, yes, they had no problem spending $25 million for one year (with the remote possibility that it's for three years). However, they still did not want to spend for a longer deal that could have locked him up...whether it be 4, 5 or 7 years. Which is fine, I guess.
And I don't mean to sound argumentative, if it came across that way  
PhiPsi125 : 6/26/2016 1:20 pm : link
They definitely ponied up for what could be a little three year, big money deal. So I recognize that as well.
If I lived close  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 1:26 pm : link
I'd absolutely be going to Brooklyn Cyclones games.

The draftees already there plus seeing Reyes and Fonzi?

plus i love minor league baseball. one of the best entertainment values around for a family.

I saw Lester and Ellsbury play for the Pawsox (plus tons of other Sox).

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Chris Leible ‏@ChrisLeible 3m3 minutes ago

He's baaaack! Jose Reyes @lamelaza_7 working on the finer points of 3B with #Mets great Edgardo @fonzy9 @BKCyclones


Yeah...  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 1:54 pm : link
all good Phi. :)
Woodmansee  
ZGiants98 : 6/26/2016 1:55 pm : link
is there and raking early at SS. Tiberi just arrived. That lineup is going to be so loaded in a couple weeks.
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