I think I can safely say I hold a hefty lead in negative posts about him.
But I don't think tonight merits getting cut. As Shecky said, his not running was partly out of frustration. It is still inexcusable not to run on a pop bunt but I would keep him around until Lagares is ready to return to action. However, he should definitely be benched for a few days otherwise you send the message lackadaisical play is OK. Cespedes deserves to be benched as well but he is too important to bench, So sit De Aza for a few games.
Two players people here constantly campaigned for were Gomez and Tulo. Thank God we didn't trade for either.
Thank JP for no Tulo. About the only thing he's contributed in years. But there was a TON of Tulo supporters (I'll admit, I wanted him). It was closer than most probably think but JP was adamant he was done. Something about being done, a horse, and a glue factory ;)
I don't think many here actually wanted Gomez last year (maybe year before) especially at cost of wheeler plus Flores. Gomez was atrocious last year, outside of being able to control him this year no idea why we were even kicking that tree
I don't think many here actually wanted Gomez last year (maybe year before) especially at cost of wheeler plus Flores. Gomez was atrocious last year, outside of being able to control him this year no idea why we were even kicking that tree
Not going to make any specific posters feel bad, but I battled people here about Gomez daily last year. The argument was that he had had a 3 year stretch of very high production and could bounce back. The guy sucks.
on here were excited for the Carlos Gomez trade so no one really has a right to criticize others desires to improve the team. Whether it was Tulo, CarGo, Kemp (some people wanted Kemp IIRC) or anyone else.
My whole stance has been wanting to trade with the Red Sox for Betts or Bogearts because the Sox pitching is brutal and their offense could be historic, but that ship has sailed. Now you're looking at trying to pry away Moncada or Benitendi with them if you want a prospect, no chance they deal Betts or Bogaerts.
I will also admit to wanting to considering Jurickson Profar, but that was pre second injury. But at 23, it seems he's now rounding into the prospect many thought he'd be (at least offensively).
Obviously Sandy also wanted Gomez since he agreed to trade for him
whichever of our doctors flagged his medicals certainly deserves a fat bonus. Revisionist history is almost always fun but rarely all that accurate. Most were pretty indiscriminate in wanting them to upgrade anywhere possible - whether it was the Tulo rumors in January, the Desmond rumors in March, the Zobrist rumors in June, Gomez/Bruce/Upton/CarGo/Cespedes in July. And as someone pointed out yesterday we even discussed Reyes once he was dealt to the Rox. Ironically Cespedes was apparently the organization's plan Z and he ended up being the best case scenario. Though blocking Zobrist from going to KC wouldn't have been such a bad thing.
Sure, some people were wrong about Gomez. So what? I don't
understand the need to point out that you were right while others were wrong. Especially when I argued with those very same people who were killing Cespedes in the offseason for some of the most ridiculous, unfounded things. Can't hit the high heat, bat speed trending down, and there were plenty of other doozies. Yeah, well, he's only continued to be one of the best offensive players in the game.
understand the need to point out that you were right while others were wrong. Especially when I argued with those very same people who were killing Cespedes in the offseason for some of the most ridiculous, unfounded things. Can't hit the high heat, bat speed trending down, and there were plenty of other doozies. Yeah, well, he's only continued to be one of the best offensive players in the game.
Nobody is going to get them right all the time.
You're also twisting your Cespedes info. Shecky mentioned that the organization didn't think he'd AGE well and that was one of the reasons they didn't want to offer him a long term deal. I used that rationale in some of my explanations because I believe Shecky is legit. Obviously, ALL of baseball had a similar stance as nobody offered Cespedes a deal. Cespedes however, was not only my number one deadline want but also my number one offseason get. We can go back and check the threads.
For what it's worth. I didn't like the trade but I admit that I was probably excited about Gomez. Tough to remember completely because the whole situation around that trade became so bizarre. Of course, very glad it didn't happen.
It's like future-Sandy went back in time and told present-Sandy "no fucking way."
and pulled out. He was under a lot of pressure to make a deal and the backlash wasn't great at first.
Gomez was just somebody I got in many arguments here with last year long before the deadline so I remember him specifically. lol. I wasn't trying to call anyone out. I apologize.
For what it's worth. I didn't like the trade but I admit that I was probably excited about Gomez. Tough to remember completely because the whole situation around that trade became so bizarre. Of course, very glad it didn't happen.
It's like future-Sandy went back in time and told present-Sandy "no fucking way."
I had no thoughts about Gomez either way - it was obvious the offense needed help and as a fan I trust the FO to get it, but as soon as the first tear dropped from Flores' eye I regretted the trade and it couldn't have worked out any better other than a storybook season end - which we didn't quite get.
Hopefully this year, I cringe after every pitcher start except those ironically from the 43-year old Colon, so hopefully they all stay healthy and Wheeler joins the team post AS break as planned and gains some command. Will be nice to have an insurance policy in case one of the starters does need a breather.
Yes, Z, you are correct. That poster did state that those negatives
came from the front office and certain people took those things as gospel and ran with it. But the claims were so ridiculous in nature that it was obvious that the seeds were being planted to excuse the reason for not signing him. It was so easy to see through. It was comical.
Just because some poster may have some type of insider info doesn't mean you have to believe the garbage that they throw out their (the FO, not the poster).
There were 2-3 big names available at the deadline. Sandy seemed to be involved with all of them. The Gomez fiasco happened two days before Sandy spent almost the whole day down to the wire working on Cespedes. Bruce was also another target and reports came out Sandy was working both for periods at the same time early that day.
RE: Yes, Z, you are correct. That poster did state that those negatives
came from the front office and certain people took those things as gospel and ran with it. But the claims were so ridiculous in nature that it was obvious that the seeds were being planted to excuse the reason for not signing him. It was so easy to see through. It was comical.
Just because some poster may have some type of insider info doesn't mean you have to believe the garbage that they throw out their (the FO, not the poster).
Eh. It seemed rational to me. I think Shecky said it was going around baseball circles or something like that. Why else wouldn't more teams have wanted to get involved? t still think Cespedes is prone to the high heat and pitch outside and away however.... One of the transformations with Cespedes this year is that he laying off the pitch away a lot. Credit to him. He's obviously in the midst of his best season ever currently.
Eh, anything can seem rational if you want it to. I think
it was fairly obvious that they were excuses for not being able to sign him. The Mets clearly lucked out with it being an extreme pitchers market last offseason. It wasn't a good offseason for hitters in general, especially ones that had a pick tied to it. I certainly don't believe for one second that all the teams just happened to believe the voodoo that the Mets FO were spewing. And to just completely throw out his terrific track record. Come on.
Let's see if all those teams have those same excuses after this season when he's on the market again.
bigger market this year because of everything e's currently doing but again his age will have some effect on what he gets. He's going to be one year older. Somebody will probably give him 5 years though.
And you're probably right Phi. I think I may have been trying to excuse the front office if they weren't going to offer him a long term deal. I was certainly searching for the "why". It wasn't money IMO. They had no problem offering him 25 per up to three years.
I still do think money had the most weight on the decision. It's clear they weren't going to pay any more than $75 million over three years. And I'm sure they view this as a one year deal more than a three year deal since it was highly likely he'd be opting out barring an injury or catastrophic season. In fact, I'm sure the one year opt out was the main selling point.
So, yes, they had no problem spending $25 million for one year (with the remote possibility that it's for three years). However, they still did not want to spend for a longer deal that could have locked him up...whether it be 4, 5 or 7 years. Which is fine, I guess.
And I don't mean to sound argumentative, if it came across that way
TC on IBB'ing go-ahead run (Freeman) in 11th to face Markakis: "I know that Nick is swinging the bat good but Ive had enough of Freddie."
But I don't think tonight merits getting cut. As Shecky said, his not running was partly out of frustration. It is still inexcusable not to run on a pop bunt but I would keep him around until Lagares is ready to return to action. However, he should definitely be benched for a few days otherwise you send the message lackadaisical play is OK. Cespedes deserves to be benched as well but he is too important to bench, So sit De Aza for a few games.
Vegas destroyed Clayton Blackburn, one of the Sf Giants top pitching prospects.
Unfortunately Montero got lit up as well.
But if Gavin can overcome his mental block in the field, he can be a very good player. Especially as he starts to add a little power.
Two players people here constantly campaigned for were Gomez and Tulo. Thank God we didn't trade for either.
Thank JP for no Tulo. About the only thing he's contributed in years. But there was a TON of Tulo supporters (I'll admit, I wanted him). It was closer than most probably think but JP was adamant he was done. Something about being done, a horse, and a glue factory ;)
Not going to make any specific posters feel bad, but I battled people here about Gomez daily last year. The argument was that he had had a 3 year stretch of very high production and could bounce back. The guy sucks.
My whole stance has been wanting to trade with the Red Sox for Betts or Bogearts because the Sox pitching is brutal and their offense could be historic, but that ship has sailed. Now you're looking at trying to pry away Moncada or Benitendi with them if you want a prospect, no chance they deal Betts or Bogaerts.
I will also admit to wanting to considering Jurickson Profar, but that was pre second injury. But at 23, it seems he's now rounding into the prospect many thought he'd be (at least offensively).
Nobody is going to get them right all the time.
I agree. It's petty. Let's move on.
Nobody is going to get them right all the time.
You're also twisting your Cespedes info. Shecky mentioned that the organization didn't think he'd AGE well and that was one of the reasons they didn't want to offer him a long term deal. I used that rationale in some of my explanations because I believe Shecky is legit. Obviously, ALL of baseball had a similar stance as nobody offered Cespedes a deal. Cespedes however, was not only my number one deadline want but also my number one offseason get. We can go back and check the threads.
It's like future-Sandy went back in time and told present-Sandy "no fucking way."
Gomez was just somebody I got in many arguments here with last year long before the deadline so I remember him specifically. lol. I wasn't trying to call anyone out. I apologize.
It's like future-Sandy went back in time and told present-Sandy "no fucking way."
I had no thoughts about Gomez either way - it was obvious the offense needed help and as a fan I trust the FO to get it, but as soon as the first tear dropped from Flores' eye I regretted the trade and it couldn't have worked out any better other than a storybook season end - which we didn't quite get.
Hopefully this year, I cringe after every pitcher start except those ironically from the 43-year old Colon, so hopefully they all stay healthy and Wheeler joins the team post AS break as planned and gains some command. Will be nice to have an insurance policy in case one of the starters does need a breather.
Just because some poster may have some type of insider info doesn't mean you have to believe the garbage that they throw out their (the FO, not the poster).
Just because some poster may have some type of insider info doesn't mean you have to believe the garbage that they throw out their (the FO, not the poster).
Eh. It seemed rational to me. I think Shecky said it was going around baseball circles or something like that. Why else wouldn't more teams have wanted to get involved? t still think Cespedes is prone to the high heat and pitch outside and away however.... One of the transformations with Cespedes this year is that he laying off the pitch away a lot. Credit to him. He's obviously in the midst of his best season ever currently.
Let's see if all those teams have those same excuses after this season when he's on the market again.
And you're probably right Phi. I think I may have been trying to excuse the front office if they weren't going to offer him a long term deal. I was certainly searching for the "why". It wasn't money IMO. They had no problem offering him 25 per up to three years.
So, yes, they had no problem spending $25 million for one year (with the remote possibility that it's for three years). However, they still did not want to spend for a longer deal that could have locked him up...whether it be 4, 5 or 7 years. Which is fine, I guess.
The draftees already there plus seeing Reyes and Fonzi?
plus i love minor league baseball. one of the best entertainment values around for a family.
I saw Lester and Ellsbury play for the Pawsox (plus tons of other Sox).
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