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Seahawks won't sign OT Eugene Monroe

Big Rick in FL : 6/25/2016 9:19 pm
Knocks one team that was supposed to be interested off the list. I really hope the Giants can sign him. Could potentially be a huge upgrade at RT.

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@DrewBoylhart: #Seahawks aren’t expected to sign LT Eugene Monroe. The Seattle Times expects them to go into the season with their current offensive line.
I wonder if the conversation has been had with Flowers:  
chopperhatch : 6/25/2016 9:25 pm : link
"Listen, you are our plan at LT for the future. But this guy makes us better THIS year and possibly the year after. How do you feel about putting the Giants in a better position to contend by playing RT this year?"

I really don't like a player playing RT all while pouting. All of a sudden, he gets nicked up and he is on the sideline collecting a paycheck to watch football games.
Keep Flowers At LT And Let Him Develop  
Trainmaster : 6/25/2016 9:27 pm : link
Only sign Monroe if:

1) He agrees to play RT
2) He passes an extensive physical
3) His contract is very playing time incentive laden

RE: I wonder if the conversation has been had with Flowers:  
micky : 6/25/2016 9:28 pm : link
In comment 13009281 chopperhatch said:
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"Listen, you are our plan at LT for the future. But this guy makes us better THIS year and possibly the year after. How do you feel about putting the Giants in a better position to contend by playing RT this year?"

I really don't like a player playing RT all while pouting. All of a sudden, he gets nicked up and he is on the sideline collecting a paycheck to watch football games.


Not happening..even in convo imho, because if that was the case one of those other LT's that was in their sight would've been signed. There's another offseason to address rt. And see who better and fit shakes free or drafted. Can't address everything in 1 off season
RE: I wonder if the conversation has been had with Flowers:  
Milton : 6/25/2016 9:52 pm : link
In comment 13009281 chopperhatch said:
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"Listen, you are our plan at LT for the future. But this guy makes us better THIS year and possibly the year after. How do you feel about putting the Giants in a better position to contend by playing RT this year?"
They don't need to have a conversation with him, he's under contract. If they thought he would help the team more at right tackle than left, they would play him there. It's a bright red flag that after three years in a bigtime program like Miami and a year with the Giants, he still has bad technique; and my guess is that the last thing they figure he needs right now is a position change.
Anyone Else See A Parallel Or Two  
Trainmaster : 6/25/2016 9:53 pm : link
between Flowers and Jumbo Elliott? If I recall correctly, most felt Elliott was a RT (big, strong, but maybe not fast enough for LT); Parcells (Young?, Erhardt? too) saw him as a LT.

It seems like the "experts" keep wanting to move Flowers to RT. Again, Flowers showed me enough skill, strength and toughness to be penciled in as the starting LT going into training camp.
If they sign Monroe...  
Milton : 6/25/2016 10:12 pm : link
...it will be as a swing tackle to backup both Flowers and Newhouse.

At the price of a future 7th round pick and a non-guaranteed $6.5M salary, there wasn't a single team in the NFL who thought he was worth it. $6.5M is a reasonable salary for a starting quality OT. That shouldn't've been a deal-breaker for a team that could use an upgrade at the tackle position.

Yes, the Giants have shown interest in a handful of "name" tackles this off-season (Okung, Clady, Monroe), but they've pulled the trigger on none of them. And yet the most obvious one of all, Mitchell Schwartz--a natural right tackle who was available to the highest bidder--wasn't even pursued at a time when Big Blue showed no shyness about throwing money around.

If we removed our own opinions from the equation and only went by the Giants actions and in-actions, it would seem that the Giants are satisfied with their starters and are only looking to upgrade their veteran depth.

My conclusion is that the hold up with Monroe isn't over what position he would play, but how much they would pay. The Giants want to pay him like a backup and he wants to be paid like a starter.
RE: If they sign Monroe...  
chopperhatch : 6/25/2016 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13009357 Milton said:
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...it will be as a swing tackle to backup both Flowers and Newhouse.

At the price of a future 7th round pick and a non-guaranteed $6.5M salary, there wasn't a single team in the NFL who thought he was worth it. $6.5M is a reasonable salary for a starting quality OT. That shouldn't've been a deal-breaker for a team that could use an upgrade at the tackle position.

Yes, the Giants have shown interest in a handful of "name" tackles this off-season (Okung, Clady, Monroe), but they've pulled the trigger on none of them. And yet the most obvious one of all, Mitchell Schwartz--a natural right tackle who was available to the highest bidder--wasn't even pursued at a time when Big Blue showed no shyness about throwing money around.

If we removed our own opinions from the equation and only went by the Giants actions and in-actions, it would seem that the Giants are satisfied with their starters and are only looking to upgrade their veteran depth.

My conclusion is that the hold up with Monroe isn't over what position he would play, but how much they would pay. The Giants want to pay him like a backup and he wants to be paid like a starter.


Makes zero sense to me to start Newhouse over Monroe. Makes zero sense to me to keep a guy at LT who can be an upgrade at RT when there is a player on the market who is a LT. Especially when he has shown an unwillingness to move to a new position. Makes zero sense.

I understand that Flowers is considered a LT by the Giants. But he makes more sense at RT than Monroe does at RT.
RE: RE: If they sign Monroe...  
Milton : 6/25/2016 11:21 pm : link
In comment 13009399 chopperhatch said:
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Makes zero sense to me to start Newhouse over Monroe.
Unless you consider Newhouse to be the better option. For a variety of reasons, the Giants may think this the case (i.e., knows the system, rapport with Jerry, experience at right tackle, style of play).

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Makes zero sense to me to keep a guy at LT who can be an upgrade at RT when there is a player on the market who is a LT.
Again, that makes zero sense only if that is how the Giants view the three players involved.

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I understand that Flowers is considered a LT by the Giants. But he makes more sense at RT than Monroe does at RT.
Only if you think that the Flowers can play RT better than Newhouse and that Monroe will be at least as good as Flowers at LT.

Basically what you've done is create the straw man argument. You assume the Giants view the three players as you do and then you accuse them of decisions that make zero sense.

My approach is different: I assume that the people running the Giants know a helluva lot more about football than I do. So when they do things that don't seem to make sense to me, instead of thinking they're stupid, I try to figure out what it is they could be seeing that I'm not.
Really  
XBRONX : 6/25/2016 11:35 pm : link
"Only if you think that the Flowers can play RT better than Newhouse and that Monroe will be at least as good as Flowers at LT." Flowers hasnt been good.
Big Heads  
Percy : 6/25/2016 11:45 pm : link
Don't need them if they're not All World -- and rarely then. Monroe does not fit at RT for the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: If they sign Monroe...  
chopperhatch : 6/26/2016 12:01 am : link
In comment 13009426 Milton said:
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In comment 13009399 chopperhatch said:


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Makes zero sense to me to start Newhouse over Monroe.

Unless you consider Newhouse to be the better option. For a variety of reasons, the Giants may think this the case (i.e., knows the system, rapport with Jerry, experience at right tackle, style of play).



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Makes zero sense to me to keep a guy at LT who can be an upgrade at RT when there is a player on the market who is a LT.

Again, that makes zero sense only if that is how the Giants view the three players involved.



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I understand that Flowers is considered a LT by the Giants. But he makes more sense at RT than Monroe does at RT.

Only if you think that the Flowers can play RT better than Newhouse and that Monroe will be at least as good as Flowers at LT.

Basically what you've done is create the straw man argument. You assume the Giants view the three players as you do and then you accuse them of decisions that make zero sense.

My approach is different: I assume that the people running the Giants know a helluva lot more about football than I do. So when they do things that don't seem to make sense to me, instead of thinking they're stupid, I try to figure out what it is they could be seeing that I'm not.


No I haven't Milton. I'm saying that Flowers is the better player than Newhouse. If the Giants honestly think otherwise, than this offense will not be running at top capacity. Newhouse is not a good football player to start at a position. What rapport with Jerry?

Flowers was going to play RT last year before the injury he sustained lifting weights. So to say the plan was to play Flowers at RT all along is just bullshit. Now, while I see Flowers as a potentially very good LT, I also believe that RT is our most glaring weakness and is fixable by signing a player not to play THAT position of need. But by signing a veteran who can play a position on the OL that he has played for years and can bestow knowledge on our LT of the future whole he helps us win.

And the "oh they know better than we do" line is just that...a line. They may be too cheap on Monroe. They may feel Hart is a better option. There have been numerous times when the opinions here were right and the Giants' move turned out to be disaster. Kiwi at LB. JD Walton at Center, Ian Allen, Ron Duane, Tim Carter continuously getting significant burn. These are all moves the Giants chose to make despite all the arrows pointing in the other direction. So the whole, "oh I trust the brain trust more than my eyes" is flawed. Newhouse is not a good football player. Monroe maybe more expensive than they like, but playing him at a position he's not used to while Flowers is, is just fucking stupid and makes ZEROOOOOOO sense. I'd rather they just give Hart the job.
We could certainly point out all the times that BBI was wrong  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/26/2016 12:05 am : link
about players too. That would only be fair.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If they sign Monroe...  
Milton : 6/26/2016 12:50 am : link
In comment 13009441 chopperhatch said:
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I'm saying that Flowers is the better player than Newhouse. If the Giants honestly think otherwise, than this offense will not be running at top capacity.
I have no idea what the Giants honestly think. Most likely it's that they think the team is better off with Newhouse at RT and Flowers at LT than Flowers at RT and Monroe at LT. Given the way the Giants have spent money this off-season, I hardly think it is the money that's standing in the way. It's not like any of us watch enough NFL football to have our own opinion on Eugene Monroe, but I think it says a lot that not one team was willing to pay him his $6.5M salary as part of a trade with the Ravens (for as little as a conditional 7th round pic). Which means no team wanted him to start for them at LT (because $6.5M and a 7th round pick is a bargain price for a starting LT).

For the right price, the Giants may still sign Monroe. What that price will tell us a lot about how he is viewed around the league. And like I said, if they do sign him, I expect he will start out as a swing tackle backing up both OT positions. Whether or not he later gets a starting job will depend on how Flowers and Newhouse are performing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If they sign Monroe...  
chopperhatch : 6/26/2016 3:27 am : link
In comment 13009450 Milton said:
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In comment 13009441 chopperhatch said:


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I'm saying that Flowers is the better player than Newhouse. If the Giants honestly think otherwise, than this offense will not be running at top capacity.

I have no idea what the Giants honestly think. Most likely it's that they think the team is better off with Newhouse at RT and Flowers at LT than Flowers at RT and Monroe at LT. Given the way the Giants have spent money this off-season, I hardly think it is the money that's standing in the way. It's not like any of us watch enough NFL football to have our own opinion on Eugene Monroe, but I think it says a lot that not one team was willing to pay him his $6.5M salary as part of a trade with the Ravens (for as little as a conditional 7th round pic). Which means no team wanted him to start for them at LT (because $6.5M and a 7th round pick is a bargain price for a starting LT).

For the right price, the Giants may still sign Monroe. What that price will tell us a lot about how he is viewed around the league. And like I said, if they do sign him, I expect he will start out as a swing tackle backing up both OT positions. Whether or not he later gets a starting job will depend on how Flowers and Newhouse are performing.


Now you are deviating from the point. That point is, that if the Giants elect to sign Eugene Monroe, it should be to play left tackle and better TWO positions on the line. To sign him to play out of position seems like a waste of money based on his skill set. If you make a push for a vet player, playing that player out of position and keeping a 2nd year guy at a he struggled at (albeit injured) and especially at a position like LT, you play the vet at the intended position.

At the same time, when you have a glaring weakness on one side of your OL (I personally can live withJerry at RG), you have cap room and there's a chance to upgrade that position, you do that. Monroe is NOT a RT. Flowers might be. Monroe could give us 2/3 years at LT all while Flowers improves technique and at the end of his rookie deal, we can be bargaining with Flowers on RT money instead of LT money.
And if you think  
chopperhatch : 6/26/2016 3:28 am : link
The Giants go after Monroe to be a backup, I think you are crazy. I think you were even crazier if you think he'll take such a deal.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If they sign Monroe...  
Milton : 6/26/2016 4:37 am : link
In comment 13009462 chopperhatch said:
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At the same time, when you have a glaring weakness on one side of your OL (I personally can live withJerry at RG), you have cap room and there's a chance to upgrade that position, you do that.
So then why haven't the Giants done it? It's not because they're cheap because they've proven their willingness to spend like a drunken sailor this off-season. So what is it? It's one thing to complain about the play-calling or time management, but when it comes to evaluating talent, I don't see how any of us can think we are a better judge of Eugene Monroe's talent than the Giants scouting department. And that goes for Flowers and Newhouse as well. Instead of just assuming the Giants are incompetent, why not try to consider some of the things that they may know about Flowers, Newhouse, and Monroe that you don't?
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Monroe could give us 2/3 years at LT all while Flowers improves technique and at the end of his rookie deal, we can be bargaining with Flowers on RT money instead of LT money.
So basically you think the best plan for a guy whom the Giants took with the 9th pick in the draft is to have him spend his rookie year getting hammered at left tackle and then move him to right tackle for the remainder of his contract. And after four years they will either have to apply the franchise tag (which is the same for left tackles and right tackles) or they will have had to have exercised the semi-guaranteed (against injury) 5th year option after three years, which for a top ten OL pick in the 2013 draft was a whopping $11.9M. I don't think the Giants want to wait until after they've backed up the Brink's truck on a second contract before they find out if their top ten pick can play left tackle.
You think you know but you don't know and you never will.... - ( New Window )
Milton, can I place a star on your helmet for the cogent,  
BlueLou : 6/26/2016 4:39 am : link
reasonable arguments you have made on this thread?

Chopper, given the information in the OP, it certainly appears Monroe is going to have to settle for less money than he thinks he's worth. And that he will also have to prove himself worthy of starting on either side of the OL. Given his last 2 years' injury history alone that's highly reasonable. Not to mention the Ravens' declaration that he was released strictly because of performance related issues, not at all related to his marijuana stance.

You are quite right he may not accept that and instead choose to retire or play in a different league.
LMFAO at this..pure gold...  
JCin332 : 6/26/2016 8:01 am : link
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There have been numerous times when the opinions here were right and the Giants' move turned out to be disaster. Kiwi at LB. JD Walton at Center, Ian Allen, Ron Duane, Tim Carter continuously getting significant burn. These are all moves the Giants chose to make despite all the arrows pointing in the other direction.


Yes the Giants and the rest of the NFL for that matter should always check the pulse of BBI before they make any moves on players...
Ummm  
mdthedream : 6/26/2016 8:02 am : link
I think its the Giants choice not Flowers. Really has nothing to do with what Flowers thinks more to do with why move the kid if he is the future.
Tend to agree with Milton  
BurlyMan : 6/26/2016 8:57 am : link
Also think that with a new offensive line coach, no one here can say they know if a player that's not on the roster is a better fit than someone who is. I think with so many young players, the Giants seem to be emphasizing continuity.
Well said Milton  
Jay on the Island : 6/26/2016 10:00 am : link
Coughlin, McAdoo, Flaherty, and now Solari believe Flowers belongs at LT that should be good enough for any of us.
Flowers was a rookie who hung in there all season at LT  
PatersonPlank : 6/26/2016 10:22 am : link
Plus he played through injury. He will be much improved this year. In addition, RT in today's NFL is almost the same as LT. You need two "tackles" now due to the passing attack and pass rushing focus. The thinking that RTis for running and LT for pass blocking is outdated.

BBI needs to give rookies a little time. It cries when Coughlin (or whoever) doesn't play them, then cries when they make mistakes.
RE: We could certainly point out all the times that BBI was wrong  
micky : 6/26/2016 10:27 am : link
In comment 13009442 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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about players too. That would only be fair.



That's a very long list too
PatersonPlank  
Big Rick in FL : 6/26/2016 10:44 am : link
Yup! Just look at the Giants for example with JPP & Vernon.

I'd love for opponents to put a run blocking RT over there for JPP to destroy on passing downs.

You absolutely don't move Flowers for Monroe. If Monroe doesn't like it then let him find somewhere else to play. Not many teams have the need for LT right now. Best case scenario is he comes here & battles it out with Newhouse for the RT spot. Which Monroe should easily win as he is far more talented then Newhouse.
RE: LMFAO at this..pure gold...  
Jimmy Googs : 6/26/2016 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13009490 JCin332 said:
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There have been numerous times when the opinions here were right and the Giants' move turned out to be disaster. Kiwi at LB. JD Walton at Center, Ian Allen, Ron Duane, Tim Carter continuously getting significant burn. These are all moves the Giants chose to make despite all the arrows pointing in the other direction.



Yes the Giants and the rest of the NFL for that matter should always check the pulse of BBI before they make any moves on players...


To BBI's defense, if you have a million different opinions on any particular player evaluation, one of us is bound to get it right...
So, to update this  
robbieballs2003 : 6/26/2016 12:18 pm : link
Is he now out of the running for Seattle and San Francisco? What other options does he have?
RE: If they sign Monroe...  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/26/2016 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13009357 Milton said:
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...it will be as a swing tackle to backup both Flowers and Newhouse.

At the price of a future 7th round pick and a non-guaranteed $6.5M salary, there wasn't a single team in the NFL who thought he was worth it. $6.5M is a reasonable salary for a starting quality OT. That shouldn't've been a deal-breaker for a team that could use an upgrade at the tackle position.

Yes, the Giants have shown interest in a handful of "name" tackles this off-season (Okung, Clady, Monroe), but they've pulled the trigger on none of them. And yet the most obvious one of all, Mitchell Schwartz--a natural right tackle who was available to the highest bidder--wasn't even pursued at a time when Big Blue showed no shyness about throwing money around.

If we removed our own opinions from the equation and only went by the Giants actions and in-actions, it would seem that the Giants are satisfied with their starters and are only looking to upgrade their veteran depth.

My conclusion is that the hold up with Monroe isn't over what position he would play, but how much they would pay. The Giants want to pay him like a backup and he wants to be paid like a starter.

This is nuts. If the Giants sign Monroe, he immediately starts over Newhouse.
RE: RE: If they sign Monroe...  
robbieballs2003 : 6/26/2016 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13009739 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13009357 Milton said:


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...it will be as a swing tackle to backup both Flowers and Newhouse.

At the price of a future 7th round pick and a non-guaranteed $6.5M salary, there wasn't a single team in the NFL who thought he was worth it. $6.5M is a reasonable salary for a starting quality OT. That shouldn't've been a deal-breaker for a team that could use an upgrade at the tackle position.

Yes, the Giants have shown interest in a handful of "name" tackles this off-season (Okung, Clady, Monroe), but they've pulled the trigger on none of them. And yet the most obvious one of all, Mitchell Schwartz--a natural right tackle who was available to the highest bidder--wasn't even pursued at a time when Big Blue showed no shyness about throwing money around.

If we removed our own opinions from the equation and only went by the Giants actions and in-actions, it would seem that the Giants are satisfied with their starters and are only looking to upgrade their veteran depth.

My conclusion is that the hold up with Monroe isn't over what position he would play, but how much they would pay. The Giants want to pay him like a backup and he wants to be paid like a starter.


This is nuts. If the Giants sign Monroe, he immediately starts over Newhouse.


I don't know about that. We would think that but the Giants also understand the importance of continuity and continuity is extremely important along the OL. There is nothing wrong with competition. If Monroe doesn't want to compete then is he really worth a roster spot?
RE: LMFAO at this..pure gold...  
chopperhatch : 6/26/2016 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13009490 JCin332 said:
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There have been numerous times when the opinions here were right and the Giants' move turned out to be disaster. Kiwi at LB. JD Walton at Center, Ian Allen, Ron Duane, Tim Carter continuously getting significant burn. These are all moves the Giants chose to make despite all the arrows pointing in the other direction.



Yes the Giants and the rest of the NFL for that matter should always check the pulse of BBI before they make any moves on players...


Because what I said...
RE: Flowers was a rookie who hung in there all season at LT  
chopperhatch : 6/26/2016 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13009605 PatersonPlank said:
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Plus he played through injury. He will be much improved this year. In addition, RT in today's NFL is almost the same as LT. You need two "tackles" now due to the passing attack and pass rushing focus. The thinking that RTis for running and LT for pass blocking is outdated.

BBI needs to give rookies a little time. It cries when Coughlin (or whoever) doesn't play them, then cries when they make mistakes.


For like the eighth time, I have long been an advocate of keeping Flowers at LT. However he's not an established LT yet. If for a year or two, while he learns better technique, you can improve two positions on your line by signing a vet like Monroe who can teach Flowers a few things, why not?

I'm not saying give up on Flowers as a LT. Many young tackles start off at RT.
Every time I hear people talking about ...  
Manny in CA : 6/26/2016 5:12 pm : link

Vets coming to a team to "teach" or mentor a young player I get very skeptical. Remember when the Giants ran off Kerry Collins because he wouldn't do that for Eli, then brought in the "saintly" Kurt Warner.

How did that work out ? (Eli walking up-and-down the sideline like a caged animal [when Warner played] and Warner doing the same when Eli finally won the job). Warner still hold a grudge, 12 years later.

Monroe probably thinks he has plenty left in the tank (that's why he's making demands). If he can be talked into playing RT, that's a big plus (I don't think that's happening).
RE: RE: Flowers was a rookie who hung in there all season at LT  
mrvax : 6/26/2016 5:54 pm : link
In comment 13009840 chopperhatch said:
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For like the eighth time, I have long been an advocate of keeping Flowers at LT. However he's not an established LT yet. If for a year or two, while he learns better technique, you can improve two positions on your line by signing a vet like Monroe who can teach Flowers a few things, why not?


At this point I'd leave Flowers right where he is. His Oline coach should work with & teach Flowers, not some pedestrian/average tackle. I think Flowers will improve this year at LT by simply getting past his injuries.

I would like to pick up one or more veteran guys who want to play RT to give Newhouse competition. That way the Oline only sees 1 switch at the beginning of the season.


I have been one of Flowers' biggest critics.  
robbieballs2003 : 6/26/2016 7:10 pm : link
That doesn't mean I want him to fail nor does it mean that I think he will fail. My point was that we still do not know what we have in Flowers yet. I do not think that viewpoint is wrong and I really don't think you can argue against. However, if we were going to move him the time was during FA when we had a chance to get Okung or the LT from the Raiders whose name escapes me right now (Penn?). That would have been the time to do so. Now, you have to stick with him. If they signed Monroe and guaranteed he was our LT then that shows a couple of things but none of them are positive. It could show that Flowers hasn't progressed. It could show that they screwed up and miscalculated FA. It could show that our management has been lying this whole time. I don't think any of that is true. I truly believe they want Flowers to work at LT and they are gonna give him every opportunity to achieve that. You always hear how a coach and QB are always linked. Well, management is linked to Flowers working out at LT. If he doesn't then that is a huge issue that has to be addressed. If Flowers does succeed there then odds are we are gonna have a great year. Management cannot afford to miss on this with Eli entering the tail end of his career. So, for all at stake here, there is a lot riding on him. All we can do is hope he works out and hope that we can get enough competiton at RT for someone to rise to the top.
RE: Really  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 6/26/2016 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13009433 XBRONX said:
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"Only if you think that the Flowers can play RT better than Newhouse and that Monroe will be at least as good as Flowers at LT." Flowers hasnt been good.


Flowers was a rookie...I mean holy fuck give him a chance.

They aren't moving him in his second season. He needs to develop at LT. You guys need to get that through your heads and stop with this clueless fanboy routine.
I don't think Monroe would get a big contract that would basically  
wgenesis123 : 6/26/2016 8:26 pm : link
guarantee him one job or another. If he signs he will be thrown into the mix to compete for LT and RT. Flowers said last week he did not care LT or RT, he just wants to play. Its the Giants brass who have been stubborn about him being the LT. Apparently thats where they want him (Flowers that is).
It is pretty clear  
Mike in Boston : 6/27/2016 6:53 am : link
from the difficulty the Ravens had trading him and the difficulty that he is having in finding a contract that personnel guys around the league share the opinion that Monroe is not a good choice for a starting tackle. it isn't only the Giants who aren't willing to meet his terms after all. Is it possible they're all wrong? Sure. Tom Brady lasted to the 6th round, after all. But for a veteran like Monroe, who is likely on the downside of his career, it's far less likely than for a rookie draft pick.

You'd be signing him in the hope he can shale off the injuries and get back to closer to his peak than he was playing at last year. He will stay on the market until one of three things happens: he accepts that he will get backup money, he decides he isn't willing to play for that and drops out of the market, or some team panics after camp injuries and decides to cough up starter money for a player widely perceived to be of lower quality than that.
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