| Hornacek’s coaching staff is shaping up. After Kurt Rambis, who may coach summer league, Hornacek will bring in former Phoenix assistants Jerry Sichting and Corey Gaines. Hornacek will retain Josh Longstaff, who recently came back from Latvia to work with Porzingis and is expected to head to Los Angeles later in the summer on Rose duty. Jim Cleamons, despite his triangle knowhow, Brian Keefe and Rasheed Hazzard won’t return. |
Berman also confirms that Noah is their top C target.
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The last part is the real issue. Really gonna invest in both rose and Noah long term?
I agree I just want them to preserve that Max slot..
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almost certainly overpay (4 for 72 or something like that), but Im a big fan of Noah's game and he's a great fit for the modern NBA. As long as he's healthy he's a top 5-10 C. The problem is he's never healthy.
The last part is the real issue. Really gonna invest in both rose and Noah long term?
Rose - unclear. But I'm willing to pay noah for four years. He's 31, never has been a particularly explosive athlete. Gets by more on tenacity and competitive spirit more than anything else.
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almost certainly overpay (4 for 72 or something like that), but Im a big fan of Noah's game and he's a great fit for the modern NBA. As long as he's healthy he's a top 5-10 C. The problem is he's never healthy.
I agree I just want them to preserve that Max slot..
If they don't get Durant I hope they sit on most of the space. Add noah, a couple cheap guys, then make a play for Westbrook/Lowry/whoever next year.
Durant is not coming to NY
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Durant is not coming to NY
There are certainly more signs to suggest that the Knicks will at least get a meeting than not.
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He deserves a statue in front of msg
Durant is not coming to NY
There are certainly more signs to suggest that the Knicks will at least get a meeting than not.
I don't think people realize how close Durant is with rose and Melo
I am not even saying it's going to happen but to completely dismiss it is really not fair either
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He deserves a statue in front of msg
Durant is not coming to NY
There are certainly more signs to suggest that the Knicks will at least get a meeting than not.
Aldridge got 2 meetings with the Lakers last year.
Durant is not coming here. In fact, I don't think he's even considering them at all. It's due diligence.
The Knicks have 2 of Durant's best friends & a 7'3 unicorn who showed flashes of being dominant on both the offensive & defensive end.
If KD joins Melo, Rose, KP & possibly Joakim they are in the ECF.
The Knicks have 2 of Durant's best friends & a 7'3 unicorn who showed flashes of being dominant on both the offensive & defensive end.
Well yeah, my greater point was that meetings don't mean anything in reality. I'm saying all the meetings Aldridge had detracted from the fact that he was set on SA before FA even started.
This year all the meetings are detracting from the fact that he's going to remain in OKC.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
You could either rescind Lance and Galloway giving you another 4 million or trade O'Quinn for nothing and clear out another 4 million...
Knicks have ways to clear out more space
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
This is exactly my thought process. Sure two of his bestest friends in the whole wide world are here. But you need 9-10 legit guys to fill out a team that has a shot at contending. If he signs here I'm not sure we have 5. Is he going to wait it out a year in his prime to try it out? And if Rose plays well and we have to Max both KD and Rose then we will have no cap space next year to make any noticeable improvements except for vet min guys at the ends of their career that want to win a title.
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But really I think he's resigning a 1+1. Thunder got better, and have guys in Adams and Oladipo who could make another could take a step forward. So this year's meetings could just be the setup for next summer.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
This is exactly my thought process. Sure two of his bestest friends in the whole wide world are here. But you need 9-10 legit guys to fill out a team that has a shot at contending. If he signs here I'm not sure we have 5. Is he going to wait it out a year in his prime to try it out? And if Rose plays well and we have to Max both KD and Rose then we will have no cap space next year to make any noticeable improvements except for vet min guys at the ends of their career that want to win a title.
The Cavs just won the title with Richard Jefferson and JR Smith as their bench. Lets not get carried away here with needing to be 10 deep.
Plus, if you bring back Galloway, Thomas, Willy, KOQ, bring in Crawford for cheap...that's more than fine for a bench when you're starting Rose-KD-Melo-KP-Noah.
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But really I think he's resigning a 1+1. Thunder got better, and have guys in Adams and Oladipo who could make another could take a step forward. So this year's meetings could just be the setup for next summer.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
This is exactly my thought process. Sure two of his bestest friends in the whole wide world are here. But you need 9-10 legit guys to fill out a team that has a shot at contending. If he signs here I'm not sure we have 5. Is he going to wait it out a year in his prime to try it out? And if Rose plays well and we have to Max both KD and Rose then we will have no cap space next year to make any noticeable improvements except for vet min guys at the ends of their career that want to win a title.
Cap is jumping another 20 million next off season so yes there will be space..
And if you have rose Durant Melo kp noah, it could be me and you on the bench and that team would be fine
Have to remember with 4 scorers like that you could have 2 of them on the court at all times
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But really I think he's resigning a 1+1. Thunder got better, and have guys in Adams and Oladipo who could make another could take a step forward. So this year's meetings could just be the setup for next summer.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
You could either rescind Lance and Galloway giving you another 4 million or trade O'Quinn for nothing and clear out another 4 million...
Knicks have ways to clear out more space
$4M is not very much more than the new vet min.
I don't see a point in arguing about this now. We will see this in about a week or two.
Just like Aldridge didn't want to be a Center, I don't think KD will want to be a SG.
I don't see a point in arguing about this now. We will see this in about a week or two.
So he won't do that, but he'll put his future in the hands of Russell Westbrook who pretty obviously wants to GTFO OKC and is a free agent after next year? A 1+1 deal could make sense, but signing long term with OKC would be strange.
I lied the guy in the Instagram post is Chris brinkley and he is actually a knicks employee
Westbrook is way better then Rose. Melo & KP are better then anybody else they have on their team.
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He deserves a statue in front of msg
Durant is not coming to NY
There are certainly more signs to suggest that the Knicks will at least get a meeting than not.
Aldridge got 2 meetings with the Lakers last year.
Durant is not coming here. In fact, I don't think he's even considering them at all. It's due diligence.
You mention Aldridge. There was info that says Melo convinced Aldridge to come to the Knicks but Phil told him he wanted him strictly as a C which stopped the talks immediately. So, assuming Phil gets a sitdown w/KD, what position(s) are discussed? KP is not ready to be a FT Center so how would it break down? If Noah is part of the equation as well, how would 4 go into 3 starters? Noah off the bench,KP starts at center? If those 2 were signed,there'd be very little $$$ for SG/bench. Just trying to figure out how Phil could sell the Knicks as KD's best choice
Also- since the word is out who has early meetings with KD, and the Knicks aren't one of those teams, how can you say there are more signs they'll get a meeting then not?
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But really I think he's resigning a 1+1. Thunder got better, and have guys in Adams and Oladipo who could make another could take a step forward. So this year's meetings could just be the setup for next summer.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
This is exactly my thought process. Sure two of his bestest friends in the whole wide world are here. But you need 9-10 legit guys to fill out a team that has a shot at contending. If he signs here I'm not sure we have 5. Is he going to wait it out a year in his prime to try it out? And if Rose plays well and we have to Max both KD and Rose then we will have no cap space next year to make any noticeable improvements except for vet min guys at the ends of their career that want to win a title.
The Cavs just won the title with Richard Jefferson and JR Smith as their bench. Lets not get carried away here with needing to be 10 deep.
Plus, if you bring back Galloway, Thomas, Willy, KOQ, bring in Crawford for cheap...that's more than fine for a bench when you're starting Rose-KD-Melo-KP-Noah.
Dude, it's great to be optimistic. It's something entirely different to have no understanding of how the salary cap works whatsoever.
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But really I think he's resigning a 1+1. Thunder got better, and have guys in Adams and Oladipo who could make another could take a step forward. So this year's meetings could just be the setup for next summer.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
This is exactly my thought process. Sure two of his bestest friends in the whole wide world are here. But you need 9-10 legit guys to fill out a team that has a shot at contending. If he signs here I'm not sure we have 5. Is he going to wait it out a year in his prime to try it out? And if Rose plays well and we have to Max both KD and Rose then we will have no cap space next year to make any noticeable improvements except for vet min guys at the ends of their career that want to win a title.
The Cavs just won the title with Richard Jefferson and JR Smith as their bench. Lets not get carried away here with needing to be 10 deep.
Plus, if you bring back Galloway, Thomas, Willy, KOQ, bring in Crawford for cheap...that's more than fine for a bench when you're starting Rose-KD-Melo-KP-Noah.
Dude, it's great to be optimistic. It's something entirely different to have no understanding of how the salary cap works whatsoever.
Salary Cap Shmalary Cap. It's mostly just a "guide" anyway, right?
He can always sign a 1+1 like Lebron and re-up for the full max next season.
Same goes for Noah for that matter.
Westbrook is way better then Rose. Melo & KP are better then anybody else they have on their team.
This is just a false statement. The Thunder are very deep, and Westbrook is better then Melo and KP combined currently. Adams is a stud. The Knicks have literally no one besides Melo, KP and I guess Rose who would see any minutes with the Thunder. KD missed most of last season, and Westbrook missed 15 games, and that team almost made one of the toughest playoffs to get into ever. This Thunder team is now much better then that one.
Do you know how the cap works?
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But really I think he's resigning a 1+1. Thunder got better, and have guys in Adams and Oladipo who could make another could take a step forward. So this year's meetings could just be the setup for next summer.
Dont we have like $35 million in cap space? How could we get Durant (28 million), Noah, and fill out a roster?
This is exactly my thought process. Sure two of his bestest friends in the whole wide world are here. But you need 9-10 legit guys to fill out a team that has a shot at contending. If he signs here I'm not sure we have 5. Is he going to wait it out a year in his prime to try it out? And if Rose plays well and we have to Max both KD and Rose then we will have no cap space next year to make any noticeable improvements except for vet min guys at the ends of their career that want to win a title.
Cap is jumping another 20 million next off season so yes there will be space..
And if you have rose Durant Melo kp noah, it could be me and you on the bench and that team would be fine
Have to remember with 4 scorers like that you could have 2 of them on the court at all times
I think that people need to consider option C.
Durant knows that by returning to OKC, he will be on a competitive team. However, he probably also knows that Westbrook wants to go elsewhere after next season.
So, Durant can sign a Lebron type deal where he signs a two year deal with an opt out after year 1. He can do his FA due diligence this off-season, talk to teams about their plans and assess their longer term core.
For the Knicks, they currently only have about $32M committed past this coming season. With the big cap jump next year, the Knicks could bring in Durant AND re-sign Rose to a MUCH more cap friendly deal or go after Westbrook and still have a decent cap situation going forward.
Think about what other teams are offering as against what the Knicks could offer. San Antonio is in transition, and Durant would have a difficult time working with Leonard and Aldridge, especially since Aldrige doesn't want to play the 5.
Golden State is built for now, but FA is coming fast on them- can they keep Green, Curry and THompson together- plus Durant over numerous years?
The Knicks would be able to offer long term competitiveness- Zinger is going to be a star in the league for a decade or more. Melo is signed for at least 3 years. Bring in Durant and a PG of his choosing (let him choose between Rose and Westbrook)- who are both young enough to be competitive for at least 5 more years. That is a core than can win the East and possibly a title anytime over the next 5 years.
However, I think even Durant will admit that there is no perfect fit for him this off-season. In fact, I would be willing to bet that he has already made up his mind to take the two year with an opt out from OKC already, but is going to use this summer to find the best long term fit after this season.
He can always sign a 1+1 like Lebron and re-up for the full max next season.
Same goes for Noah for that matter.
I'd say it's far far crazier to think KD is signing here then him taking less money. So in the one in 15 billion chance he does, I could see it happening. However Knicks would have no bird rights on him and he'd be eligible for a lot more money next season so it might not really help us. Noah, no way it happens, he's old and injured he's going for a cash grab on his final deal.
Let's please not act like the Thunder are good without Durant. They were 27-28 in 2014-15. They were 3-7 in 2015-16.
Let's please not act like the Thunder are good without Durant. They were 27-28 in 2014-15. They were 3-7 in 2015-16.
And the Knicks were a 32 win team THIS year. With Melo and KP. The Thunder without KD would still beat this Knicks team with Rose.
One of the underappreciated players in the league for a while now. He has had a very impressive career starting from Florida, where he was overshadowed by Noah.
Melo/Horford/KP would be a NASTY frontcourt if KP levels up next year. If Rose is healthy and rejuvenated, they become a threat in the East.
I'm the dumb fuck yet you don't know how the NBA cap works and think the Knicks are a better team then the Thunder minus KD? Got it. Maybe do some googling, adults are having a discussion.
I think that people need to consider option C.
Durant knows that by returning to OKC, he will be on a competitive team. However, he probably also knows that Westbrook wants to go elsewhere after next season.
So, Durant can sign a Lebron type deal where he signs a two year deal with an opt out after year 1. He can do his FA due diligence this off-season, talk to teams about their plans and assess their longer term core.
For the Knicks, they currently only have about $32M committed past this coming season. With the big cap jump next year, the Knicks could bring in Durant AND re-sign Rose to a MUCH more cap friendly deal or go after Westbrook and still have a decent cap situation going forward.
Think about what other teams are offering as against what the Knicks could offer. San Antonio is in transition, and Durant would have a difficult time working with Leonard and Aldridge, especially since Aldrige doesn't want to play the 5.
Golden State is built for now, but FA is coming fast on them- can they keep Green, Curry and THompson together- plus Durant over numerous years?
The Knicks would be able to offer long term competitiveness- Zinger is going to be a star in the league for a decade or more. Melo is signed for at least 3 years. Bring in Durant and a PG of his choosing (let him choose between Rose and Westbrook)- who are both young enough to be competitive for at least 5 more years. That is a core than can win the East and possibly a title anytime over the next 5 years.
However, I think even Durant will admit that there is no perfect fit for him this off-season. In fact, I would be willing to bet that he has already made up his mind to take the two year with an opt out from OKC already, but is going to use this summer to find the best long term fit after this season.
I have so many issues with this post I don't even know where to start- but from the bottom.
You'd lose that bet- too much changes from season to season for a guy to take his offseason to figure out what he's gonna do in a year. This time last year would you have thought KP was attractive to any star FA? It would make zero sense to do that. Trades, guys getting injured, coaching changes, players dealing rapidly, players ascending rapidly, other free agents signing this season. There is just no way to know what happens and I guarantee you that KD is not doing what you think he is. KD is looking to win, and now. He's not gonna punt a year if he thinks a better situation is out there already.
However, the biggest issue that I have with your post is that you can somehow look at GS, a team that just won 73 games and has been to two finals, winning one, with a back to back MVP and multiple all NBA players. You can look at San Antonio, possibly the best run franchise in sports history at this point, with 17 50 win seasons, with the best wing defender in the game, a top 3-5 player, maybe the greatest coach of all time. Then you can look at the Knicks coming off a 32 win season, with a 21 year old sophomore, a 32 year old SF with knee issues who has played 67, 77, 40 and 72 games in his last 4 seasons and a 27 year old PG who missed a full season and has played 10, 51 and 66 games in his last 4 seasons.
You can look at all these situations and think that somehow the Knicks situation has the ability to offer long term competitiveness as an advantage over the other 2 teams? A team in "transition" that just won 67 games? You wonder how GS can keep Curry/Green/Thompson/KD but you have no worries how the Knicks would keep KP/KD/Melo/Rose? The other 2 teams you mentioned have relatively clean injury histories, and the Knicks would have 2 of their main guys with knee problems, but the Knicks are the ones with the long term competitiveness to offer?
Its just mind boggling the kool aid Knicks fans are drinking right now. Literally mind boggling- the idea that the Knicks can offer any kind of competitiveness that GS or SA can not is just..................
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The Thunder aren't that good. They are good because Durant is there.
Westbrook is way better then Rose. Melo & KP are better then anybody else they have on their team.
This is just a false statement. The Thunder are very deep, and Westbrook is better then Melo and KP combined currently. Adams is a stud. The Knicks have literally no one besides Melo, KP and I guess Rose who would see any minutes with the Thunder. KD missed most of last season, and Westbrook missed 15 games, and that team almost made one of the toughest playoffs to get into ever. This Thunder team is now much better then that one.
You seem to be vehemently anti-Knicks for some reason. The Thunder are very deep? Come on.
Adams is good, but he's a role player 5. If you say Adams is a stud, then you have to say RoLo is a stud as well - something I don't think even Knicks fans would do.
Kanter is very good off the bench. Waiters is completely hit or miss. Oladipo needs to improve his jumpshot, but could be quite a good piece. Westbrook is Westbrook. Roberson offers nothing offensively - in fact, you can make the case that he's actually worse than Lance Thomas pre-injury last year.
Let's not pretend like OKC is some crazy juggernaut. They go as Durant/Westbrook go.
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To have 3 players who would play for the Thunder considering we only have 5 players on the team.
Let's please not act like the Thunder are good without Durant. They were 27-28 in 2014-15. They were 3-7 in 2015-16.
And the Knicks were a 32 win team THIS year. With Melo and KP. The Thunder without KD would still beat this Knicks team with Rose.
Except for the time this past year that they didn't, without Rose. But please, continue.
30-35 in their last 65 games without him seems to show that.
Unfortunately I wasn't born with the knowledge of how the salary cap works. So I was asking a question. You obviously don't know how to answer a simple question so yes you'd be the dumb fuck.