| Hornaceks coaching staff is shaping up. After Kurt Rambis, who may coach summer league, Hornacek will bring in former Phoenix assistants Jerry Sichting and Corey Gaines. Hornacek will retain Josh Longstaff, who recently came back from Latvia to work with Porzingis and is expected to head to Los Angeles later in the summer on Rose duty. Jim Cleamons, despite his triangle knowhow, Brian Keefe and Rasheed Hazzard wont return. |
Berman also confirms that Noah is their top C target.
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In comment 13009645 Big Rick in FL said:
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To have 3 players who would play for the Thunder considering we only have 5 players on the team.
Let's please not act like the Thunder are good without Durant. They were 27-28 in 2014-15. They were 3-7 in 2015-16.
And the Knicks were a 32 win team THIS year. With Melo and KP. The Thunder without KD would still beat this Knicks team with Rose.
Except for the time this past year that they didn't, without Rose. But please, continue.
Well gee, the Timberwolves beat the Warriors in one game too! Who cares about sample size, Knicks championship 2017-2027! Cant wait to see KD wear a Knicks uniform.
Unfortunately can't see Noah getting only 12 or 17. Teams will be shelling out serious cash this offseason. I'd rather have Hortford because his offensive game is more versatile if price is equal.
Where did I mention anything about Draymond?
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but I'd rather play Noah 12-17 m than Horford 20-26. With Willy, KOQ, KP, we need a serviceable guy who can go 25. Not a 40 min focal point.
Unfortunately can't see Noah getting only 12 or 17. Teams will be shelling out serious cash this offseason. I'd rather have Hortford because his offensive game is more versatile if price is equal.
If price is equal it's a no brainier for Horford. We will see. I can't see Noah getting the max. He was terrible when healthy and is coming off two injury plagued seasons. You're paying him in hopes of recovering past form, which is always risky. But again, if Rolo can get 14 in this market and people think it's a steal, I would pay Noah about the same.
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That's why I asked the question you dumb fuck.
I'm the dumb fuck yet you don't know how the NBA cap works and think the Knicks are a better team then the Thunder minus KD? Got it. Maybe do some googling, adults are having a discussion.
Don't let her get under your skin Rick. He's a narcissistic prick, who seriously thinks he adds insight, to the discussions at hand. He isn't fooling anyone.
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In comment 13009663 Jon in NYC said:
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but I'd rather play Noah 12-17 m than Horford 20-26. With Willy, KOQ, KP, we need a serviceable guy who can go 25. Not a 40 min focal point.
Unfortunately can't see Noah getting only 12 or 17. Teams will be shelling out serious cash this offseason. I'd rather have Hortford because his offensive game is more versatile if price is equal.
If price is equal it's a no brainier for Horford. We will see. I can't see Noah getting the max. He was terrible when healthy and is coming off two injury plagued seasons. You're paying him in hopes of recovering past form, which is always risky. But again, if Rolo can get 14 in this market and people think it's a steal, I would pay Noah about the same.
He was terrible when healthy and is coming off two injury plagued seasons.
So going by your logic, you'd rather pay slightly less to get a mediocre has-been than a current stud because you want there to be more minutes available to other mediocre players? I know you like KOQ but damn.
Hope is not a strategy so making comparisons on roster based on what one hopes a player becomes is silly.
So a team of rose kd Melo kp and noah are not the favorite in the east?
And yes Durant playing the 2 is stretch but it's not like he would play the 2 all game more than. Likely 15 minutes a game at the 2, offensively it would work fine the question would be defensively...
You act like there are no signs of KD coming to new York and we are all crazy for discussing it..
Here are the signs in case you have missed it, with Melo the past couple of days working out, dinner with melo, dinner with the knicks director of personnel and trainer for Melo and some other knicks players, close friends with rose and melo..
And with the meeting, every report says the knicks will get a meeting it is just not confirmed yet
Hope is not a strategy so making comparisons on roster based on what one hopes a player becomes is silly.
Rose started showing signs of his old self last year so it's not blind hope...and he is not going to be asked to be the number 1 option like he was in Chicago, he is going to be asked to set up Melo and kp and break down defenses...he is not going to be asked to shoulder the load...
Knicks are not asking him to come here and score 25 points a game, if he comes in and adds 17 and 7 and 48% shooting like he did at the end of last year knicks will be fine
Noah is more hope but he was good in the games he did play last yeaf..
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You are hoping rose reverts and hoping to sign Noah and see him revert...
Hope is not a strategy so making comparisons on roster based on what one hopes a player becomes is silly.
Rose started showing signs of his old self last year so it's not blind hope...and he is not going to be asked to be the number 1 option like he was in Chicago, he is going to be asked to set up Melo and kp and break down defenses...he is not going to be asked to shoulder the load...
Knicks are not asking him to come here and score 25 points a game, if he comes in and adds 17 and 7 and 48% shooting like he did at the end of last year knicks will be fine
Noah is more hope but he was good in the games he did play last yeaf..
Noah shot 38% from the field last year. And while Rose did pick it up late last year and has shown flashes, it's not like he had some crazy impressive stretch to close out the year. I'm rooting for Rose and I think the change of scenery + a scorer like Melo will help his chances of attaining redemption, but it's still a reach.
1) KD isn't coming here so all this proposed roster talk is meaningless. If you guys are just having fun fantasizing, have it and I'll back off. But the continued talk of the Knicks actually having a shot is annoying because it's just blind homerism. Trying to make the case that KD best shot of winning is on the Knicks is dumb.
2) no, that team isn't the favorite in the east. Cleveland would still be favored. Noah and Rose have a LOT to prove. We have no idea how the fit would be in your proposed line up- who is guarding your wings? Rose is your best wing defender there. KD is gonna come to the Knicks to run around chasing 2 guards all season? Rose is not a star anymore or even close. Noah is a few seasons from his peak. KP Is a few seasons until he peaks. It's just a mish mash of players. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. Wouldn't be favored over Cleveland.
He'll never go away. He says everything over and over again, cause he realizes everyone talks around him, and never with him. Narcissists live with blinders on, and are only focused on their next rebuttal, yearning to always be right. He'll pound away his point (that Durant will never come) all day long if you let him. He obviously was once that five year old petulant child, who's always told to be seen but not heard, tantrums and all.
And here I thought Tiki Barber (the narcissist of all narcissists) was comical..
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We get it you hate the knicks and hate the trade but you just say the same thing over and over again...
He'll never go away. He says everything over and over again, cause he realizes everyone talks around him, and never with him. Narcissists live with blinders on, and are only focused on their next rebuttal, yearning to always be right. He'll pound away his point (that Durant will never come) all day long if you let him. He obviously was once that five year old petulant child, who's always told to be seen but not heard, tantrums and all.
And here I thought Tiki Barber (the narcissist of all narcissists) was comical..
Sorry don't let me interrupt your circle jerk on KD signing and the Knicks becoming a 70 win team!!! How dare I disagree and bring a little reality to the situation?
Westbrook is way better then Rose. Melo & KP are better then anybody else they have on their team.
If you watched any OKC series this playoffs you'd realize that Adams is more impactful right now than KP. He handled Draymond that series. He's only like 2 years older and has the potential of a top 5 center.
Interesting note I just read about. Bully Donovan was al Horford's coach at Florida. As of now, OKC can only afford KD's max and some change (KD's max is around $30M, right?).
But if they can find someone to take on Kanter's contract, they'll have around $20M. throw in Singler and Collison, that makes it closer to $30M. So enough of Horford. If you're Presti, I think this is the move you try to pull off at all costs. I think you can throw in Sabonis to a team in need to take on Singler's and Collison's contracts (if both of those guys are fully guaranteed, I'm not sure about that). I think a bottom feeder like Brooklyn would take on Kanter for nothing, maybe squeeze out a future first out if it as well.
Westbrook/Payne
Oladipo/Morrow
KD/Roberson
Horford
Adams/Mcgary
They'd have to get a bit creative with depth in the frontcourt, but they traded Ibaka in part to get more minutes for KD at the 4. This would no question be the favorites heading into the season.
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In comment 13009684 nygiants16 said:
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We get it you hate the knicks and hate the trade but you just say the same thing over and over again...
He'll never go away. He says everything over and over again, cause he realizes everyone talks around him, and never with him. Narcissists live with blinders on, and are only focused on their next rebuttal, yearning to always be right. He'll pound away his point (that Durant will never come) all day long if you let him. He obviously was once that five year old petulant child, who's always told to be seen but not heard, tantrums and all.
And here I thought Tiki Barber (the narcissist of all narcissists) was comical..
Sorry don't let me interrupt your circle jerk on KD signing and the Knicks becoming a 70 win team!!! How dare I disagree and bring a little reality to the situation?
If people were saying he was signing and it was a foregone conclusion you would have a point but not one person said it was happening..
It is a HYPOTHETICAL discussion, something you can not grasp and it is not you are disagreeing you are just dismissing everything people say arent just say the same thing over and over again...
We get it you don't think kp Durant is coming and you refuse to discuss it and you hate the rose deal, there is really nothing else you are bringing to the conversation, you have made all your points so kindly go away thanks
Any positive Knicks discussion has been fairy tales and day dreams for the past 16 years. That being said, you're not adding anything to the discussion - just shutting down hypotheticals. That's not Knicks discussion at all.
Do you always enjoy discussions with yourself?
I like Kanter as well but OKC isn't in the rebuilding around youth phase they were 5 years ago. OKC was far and away the best rebounding team last year and that was more on the fact that they played Westbrook, KD, and Adams 100+ minutes a game than the fact they played Kanter 18 mins a game. Horford isn't the monster Kanter is on the offensive glass but I think he's more than fine as a rebounding 4. Also Oladipo is in the top tier for rebounding guards as well so that gives them an edge as well.?The spacing and above average defense allows him to play 35 minutes a game compared to Kanter. You can also go small with Horford at the 5 and KD at the 4 and that wouldn't really work with Kanter.
If Horford is really in the mix you have to do it. He's *only* going to make $7-8M more a year than Kanter.
You're not helping.
The one thing I don't see is getting KD AND Noah. That's contingent on Noah taking a contract at 40% of his market value. There are clear suitors for his services, and I don't think he takes that big of a hometown discount on probably his last major FA deal.
Says who? Dream threads haven't worked out since 2010.
Woah, that's really unfair to ME.
You arent paying a guy 52 million dollars over 3 years to a guy who averaged 12 minutes per game against the best team in the west. Kanter is a very good player and has a lot of tools, but he is utterly useless against GS. So paying over 17 million dollars to a guy just to sit the bench? Makes no sense.
Yeah his shooting sucks, its the only thing that kept him from being All-NBA every year.
Report: Knicks top free-agent target is Joakim Noah
Yeah his shooting sucks, its the only thing that kept him from being All-NBA every year.
His offensive productivity has fallen off a cliff but defensively he still has it. His assist rate was still top notch though. The injuries scare me, although not in the same way Roses do. I'm not into it but mostly because of age and price. He's not a bad fit skill wise if he can stay on the court.
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who look at Noah and judge him by shooting%. He doesnt want to shoot. He is a defensive, rebounding big who plays his ass off and is an excellent passer - maybe the best passing big in the NBA.
Yeah his shooting sucks, its the only thing that kept him from being All-NBA every year.
His offensive productivity has fallen off a cliff but defensively he still has it. His assist rate was still top notch though. The injuries scare me, although not in the same way Roses do. I'm not into it but mostly because of age and price. He's not a bad fit skill wise if he can stay on the court.
Hey, something we can agree upon.
Now, heres why the knicks should target him. Your putting the teams stake next year in the two former bulls to be healthy, which is definitely risky. But as long as noah gets only 3-4 years.... its worth the risk. Because lets be honest..... if Lebron stays in Cleveland with Kyrie.... they are going to be the favorite in the east. And slow team build up from the knicks wont matter then. BUT, lets say you get an all-star type season from Rose. An All-NBA defensive year from Noah and throw in a guy at the two like Lee..... you COULD knock the Cavs off if everything clicks.
I dont know NY salary cap thing but can you sign Noah to something like 4 for 75 and still have money to attract Batum? What a squad then you guy would have.
DeMar DeRozan will receive interest from the Clippers, Warriors, Heat, Knicks, and the Magic during free agency. (via @usatodaynba)
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Why don't you stay off Knicks threads & let us dream. It will work out much better for everybody.
Says who? Dream threads haven't worked out since 2010.
Ummm basically everybody on this thread.
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In comment 13009765 dep026 said:
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who look at Noah and judge him by shooting%. He doesnt want to shoot. He is a defensive, rebounding big who plays his ass off and is an excellent passer - maybe the best passing big in the NBA.
Yeah his shooting sucks, its the only thing that kept him from being All-NBA every year.
His offensive productivity has fallen off a cliff but defensively he still has it. His assist rate was still top notch though. The injuries scare me, although not in the same way Roses do. I'm not into it but mostly because of age and price. He's not a bad fit skill wise if he can stay on the court.
Hey, something we can agree upon.
Now, heres why the knicks should target him. Your putting the teams stake next year in the two former bulls to be healthy, which is definitely risky. But as long as noah gets only 3-4 years.... its worth the risk. Because lets be honest..... if Lebron stays in Cleveland with Kyrie.... they are going to be the favorite in the east. And slow team build up from the knicks wont matter then. BUT, lets say you get an all-star type season from Rose. An All-NBA defensive year from Noah and throw in a guy at the two like Lee..... you COULD knock the Cavs off if everything clicks.
I dont know NY salary cap thing but can you sign Noah to something like 4 for 75 and still have money to attract Batum? What a squad then you guy would have.
The impossible happened! Cap space isn't there for that move though. Batum would have to take less then the max which he's sure to get.