| Hornacek’s coaching staff is shaping up. After Kurt Rambis, who may coach summer league, Hornacek will bring in former Phoenix assistants Jerry Sichting and Corey Gaines. Hornacek will retain Josh Longstaff, who recently came back from Latvia to work with Porzingis and is expected to head to Los Angeles later in the summer on Rose duty. Jim Cleamons, despite his triangle knowhow, Brian Keefe and Rasheed Hazzard won’t return. |
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Well we aren't....yet.
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It's kind of hopeless to try to sway the dreamers in here. We might as well just step back and let their hopes be destroyed and come back when the dust settles.
Who gets joy in shitting on hopes and dreams?
Hey listen- if you're dreaming and you realize there's a less then 1% chance of us getting KD, enjoy.
Me personally I'd rather dream on KPs potential, and this offseason has been really difficult so far for me as a Knicks fan because it's been about anything but.
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@IanBegley The Knicks have Derrick Rose's Bird Rights, so they can sign other FAs next summer & then exceed the cap to re-sign him if they so choose.
Doesn't matter if they have his bird rights in that scenario. Even if they have them he will still have a cap hold, and to sign free agents they would have to renounce his bird rights.
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@IanBegley The Knicks have Derrick Rose's Bird Rights, so they can sign other FAs next summer & then exceed the cap to re-sign him if they so choose.
He still has a huge cap hold though, so you can resign him and go over the cap but he doesn't count as 0 until they do so. In the case of Derrick Rose, his cap hold would be like 30 million dollars. They'd almost certainly renounce his rights, in which case you can't exceed the salary cap to resign him after.
Chicago is a well run franchise. They traded Rose for a good big on a great contract and a guy who just had an uninspired rookie year. Perhaps they think they can get Conley, but they wouldn't have traded Rose if they thought he could return to form. Chicago's been a good organization for years and I trust their judgment much more than I do the Knicks FO.
I don't know that them trading Rose was primarily about how they feel he'll play this season or if he'll "return to form". I think they've just decided to turn the page on the Thibs/Rose era and build around Butler, their 4/5 other young players, and their young coach.
That's part of it, and I've made my opinion of his future clear already, but the relationship was strained, and he and Butler as a pair were not working out as planned.
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Haven't seen this mentioned until now. I could have missed it, but I figured I'd post it.
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@IanBegley The Knicks have Derrick Rose's Bird Rights, so they can sign other FAs next summer & then exceed the cap to re-sign him if they so choose.
He still has a huge cap hold though, so you can resign him and go over the cap but he doesn't count as 0 until they do so. In the case of Derrick Rose, his cap hold would be like 30 million dollars. They'd almost certainly renounce his rights, in which case you can't exceed the salary cap to resign him after.
You do know the cap is supposed to jump 20 million again right? So you would have rose and 20 million in space
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Haven't seen this mentioned until now. I could have missed it, but I figured I'd post it.
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@IanBegley The Knicks have Derrick Rose's Bird Rights, so they can sign other FAs next summer & then exceed the cap to re-sign him if they so choose.
He still has a huge cap hold though, so you can resign him and go over the cap but he doesn't count as 0 until they do so. In the case of Derrick Rose, his cap hold would be like 30 million dollars. They'd almost certainly renounce his rights, in which case you can't exceed the salary cap to resign him after.
You do know the cap is supposed to jump 20 million again right? So you would have rose and 20 million in space
And any top FA getting a max would require 33M in space to sign next offseason.
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
Not sure what kind of year Rose would have to have that I'd want him on the Knicks at 20+ mil a year for the next four years. I can't imagine what those knees are like when he's 30.
Whiteside probably signs for around 21 million per and that is probably cheaper than the other two. Leaves the Knicks more money to get a shooting guard
Thoughts ?
Whiteside probably signs for around 21 million per and that is probably cheaper than the other two. Leaves the Knicks more money to get a shooting guard
Thoughts ?
I would imagine that Whiteside gets the max.
DaJuan Summers will play for the New York Knicks' Summer League team.
Whiteside is going to get 1000 million dollar contract and tank.
Whiteside is going to get 1000 million dollar contract and tank.
I don't think you can generalize for all players. That does happen and you could be right. However, I remember him busting his ass and sending videos out to every team just beggijg for a chance. Miami gave him that chance and he didn't disappoint. Could that change with a shitload of money? Absolutely. But he knows what it is like to be out of the NBA so maybe it means more to him than you think. He knows how much it is like a business. I think most guys do. Durant said he is gonna make a business decision. Does that mean he is gonna pack it in after his deal?
That's pretty much the only time to post on instagram.
Still don't know why he was waived.
He is very close with rose as well but still slim chance he signs with the knicks it seems...
According to every media outlet the knicks still suck and have no chance to win even after the rose trade...
No mention of how close rose and Melo are to Durant but ehh either way still small chance...
I would be really shocked if he left okc, only thing would be if Westbrook told him he was leaving next year...
I don't think he goes to the warriors or spurs, Heat would not be any better, it would be Durant wade and dragic that's it...
Clippers have to do a lot of work to get Durant and okc is not sign and trading him to the clippers..
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If the Knicks are keeping rose they are just looking to add another piece
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
Not sure what kind of year Rose would have to have that I'd want him on the Knicks at 20+ mil a year for the next four years. I can't imagine what those knees are like when he's 30.
Just to explain Rose's knee injuries in plain terms for the average person to understand.
1. Tore his ACL. Plenty of guys come back from a torn ACL. These days, it shouldn't pose any long term effect, certainly not when he's 30 years old.
2. Tore the meniscus in his other knee. This meniscus tear was repaired and he made a 100% recovery. There will be no long term effects and it's not something that will hinder him in the future. Once repaired, assuming it heals properly, it's 100% back to normal.
3. Tore the same meniscus in a different spot. This is the only concerning long term knee injury, but it's not something that will hurt him too bad if he treats it. This time the meniscus was removed or shaved down. When it's cleaned up like this, it poses a long term threat because they are removing a part of his meniscus. If he keeps his legs strong and treats it well, it shouldn't have any negative effect in his early 30's. Plenty of players play a long time at a high level after 30 with this knee injury.
I know there is this narrative that you are the logical fan amongst a sea of homers, but you should probably educate yourself on what you are saying.
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If the Knicks are keeping rose they are just looking to add another piece
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
Not sure what kind of year Rose would have to have that I'd want him on the Knicks at 20+ mil a year for the next four years. I can't imagine what those knees are like when he's 30.
Just to explain Rose's knee injuries in plain terms for the average person to understand.
1. Tore his ACL. Plenty of guys come back from a torn ACL. These days, it shouldn't pose any long term effect, certainly not when he's 30 years old.
2. Tore the meniscus in his other knee. This meniscus tear was repaired and he made a 100% recovery. There will be no long term effects and it's not something that will hinder him in the future. Once repaired, assuming it heals properly, it's 100% back to normal.
3. Tore the same meniscus in a different spot. This is the only concerning long term knee injury, but it's not something that will hurt him too bad if he treats it. This time the meniscus was removed or shaved down. When it's cleaned up like this, it poses a long term threat because they are removing a part of his meniscus. If he keeps his legs strong and treats it well, it shouldn't have any negative effect in his early 30's. Plenty of players play a long time at a high level after 30 with this knee injury.
I know there is this narrative that you are the logical fan amongst a sea of homers, but you should probably educate yourself on what you are saying.
Finally we agree! :)
Spurs have to get rid of half their team to be able to sign Durant, plus Aldridge will have to go to center where he doesn't want to play..
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If the Knicks are keeping rose they are just looking to add another piece
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
Not sure what kind of year Rose would have to have that I'd want him on the Knicks at 20+ mil a year for the next four years. I can't imagine what those knees are like when he's 30.
Just to explain Rose's knee injuries in plain terms for the average person to understand.
1. Tore his ACL. Plenty of guys come back from a torn ACL. These days, it shouldn't pose any long term effect, certainly not when he's 30 years old.
2. Tore the meniscus in his other knee. This meniscus tear was repaired and he made a 100% recovery. There will be no long term effects and it's not something that will hinder him in the future. Once repaired, assuming it heals properly, it's 100% back to normal.
3. Tore the same meniscus in a different spot. This is the only concerning long term knee injury, but it's not something that will hurt him too bad if he treats it. This time the meniscus was removed or shaved down. When it's cleaned up like this, it poses a long term threat because they are removing a part of his meniscus. If he keeps his legs strong and treats it well, it shouldn't have any negative effect in his early 30's. Plenty of players play a long time at a high level after 30 with this knee injury.
I know there is this narrative that you are the logical fan amongst a sea of homers, but you should probably educate yourself on what you are saying.
Finally we agree! :)
SUCCESS!!!
That would be so pathetic if he did. He seems like a guy who really cares about his perception and this would be a big hit.
I would agree but we have seen Durant be sensitive with the media and is he going to be able to handle hearing how he took the easy way out and joined a ready made team?
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If the Knicks are keeping rose they are just looking to add another piece
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
Not sure what kind of year Rose would have to have that I'd want him on the Knicks at 20+ mil a year for the next four years. I can't imagine what those knees are like when he's 30.
Just to explain Rose's knee injuries in plain terms for the average person to understand.
1. Tore his ACL. Plenty of guys come back from a torn ACL. These days, it shouldn't pose any long term effect, certainly not when he's 30 years old.
2. Tore the meniscus in his other knee. This meniscus tear was repaired and he made a 100% recovery. There will be no long term effects and it's not something that will hinder him in the future. Once repaired, assuming it heals properly, it's 100% back to normal.
3. Tore the same meniscus in a different spot. This is the only concerning long term knee injury, but it's not something that will hurt him too bad if he treats it. This time the meniscus was removed or shaved down. When it's cleaned up like this, it poses a long term threat because they are removing a part of his meniscus. If he keeps his legs strong and treats it well, it shouldn't have any negative effect in his early 30's. Plenty of players play a long time at a high level after 30 with this knee injury.
I know there is this narrative that you are the logical fan amongst a sea of homers, but you should probably educate yourself on what you are saying.
Please educate me more on how many players whose entire game was predicated on athleticism who had 3 major knee injuries and came back to what they were.
Add in players who miss as much time as Rose has.
While you're at it, please educate me on how players who reliable on their athleticism, especially PGs, tend to age.
Then cross section those groups and educate me on how you think Derrick Rose will age.
I'll be waiting!
Rose/Galloway
Crabbe/mayo
Melo/Lance
KP
Noah/koq/willy
He had an ACL in one knee. He took way too much time off to recover, but made a 100% recovery. Tons of players recover from that these days.
Then he had a meniscus repair which he made a 100% recovery. I'm guessing you aren't well educated with meniscus injuries, but when repaired(and they heal properly which his did), you make a full recovery. As good as new.
Why don't you instead of looking at the metrics go back and actually watch him play the last 3 months of the season..
You will see a guy shooting better and being more efficient, a guy who got to the rim and finished with ease, a guy who looked more explosive and still had that quick first step...
Because of a freak eye injury he didn't have a training camp and had blurred vision as the season went on he got better and better..
He had the same stats as Mike conley the guy who is guaranteed a max and is the best pg on the market
You seem to do this a lot. When backed into a corner, you change the discussion. I never said a word about how good or bad Rose is. I am however saying that his past knee injuries aren't something that would concern me from signing him until he's 30. You make it seem like he had microfracture or multiple ACL's to the same knee.
It's not reality, despite you saying it over and over and over and over and over again.
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If the Knicks are keeping rose they are just looking to add another piece
It's not like they wouldn't be able to
Not sure what kind of year Rose would have to have that I'd want him on the Knicks at 20+ mil a year for the next four years. I can't imagine what those knees are like when he's 30.
Just to explain Rose's knee injuries in plain terms for the average person to understand.
1. Tore his ACL. Plenty of guys come back from a torn ACL. These days, it shouldn't pose any long term effect, certainly not when he's 30 years old.
2. Tore the meniscus in his other knee. This meniscus tear was repaired and he made a 100% recovery. There will be no long term effects and it's not something that will hinder him in the future. Once repaired, assuming it heals properly, it's 100% back to normal.
3. Tore the same meniscus in a different spot. This is the only concerning long term knee injury, but it's not something that will hurt him too bad if he treats it. This time the meniscus was removed or shaved down. When it's cleaned up like this, it poses a long term threat because they are removing a part of his meniscus. If he keeps his legs strong and treats it well, it shouldn't have any negative effect in his early 30's. Plenty of players play a long time at a high level after 30 with this knee injury.
I know there is this narrative that you are the logical fan amongst a sea of homers, but you should probably educate yourself on what you are saying.
Please educate me more on how many players whose entire game was predicated on athleticism who had 3 major knee injuries and came back to what they were.
Add in players who miss as much time as Rose has.
While you're at it, please educate me on how players who reliable on their athleticism, especially PGs, tend to age.
Then cross section those groups and educate me on how you think Derrick Rose will age.
I'll be waiting!
Disregarding both the sample size for Rose's situation as well as advances in medical science over X number of years is dumb. He just gave you a breakdown of typical recovery for each type of injury after you yourself mentioned Rose's knees.
No one knows how Rose will cope. But defending a position you know nothing about is the height of idiocy.
Congrats on being a picture perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect though.
What that guy has done is extremely rare. He's had 3 ACL's to the same knee. He's an aberration. It's really amazing what that guy has come back from.
Exceptions and rules.
Domenik Hixon did too, and he retired at 28 or 29.