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wgenesis123 : 6/26/2016 9:16 am
Last year I had the Giants defense and because of the special teams and turnovers they had some really big weeks for me. This year with the defense hopefully much improved I want to take them again. Anyone else like the Giants defense for FF. Also I am thinking about taking as many Giants as I can get, besides the obvious of OBJ and Eli who do you like for this year.
It's early but  
giantsfan44ab : 6/26/2016 9:36 am : link
Eli is going damn near undrafted and i think he'll put up better numbers than last year, when he was a top 10 QB. Between Eli and Winston going very late I don't know if I'm gonna draft a QB till the very end.
I had Eli last year and he was good for me.  
wgenesis123 : 6/26/2016 9:50 am : link
My biggest problem last year was getting running backs and tight ends who could stay on the field.
Winston will go fairly early in my league.  
wgenesis123 : 6/26/2016 9:58 am : link
My cousin will draft him, he is a big Tampa bay fan. He drafts all Tampa Bay players every year. I have another cousin who wants as many good players as he can get from Miami. Unfortunately for me I have a third cousin in the league who loves the Giants.
The way the RB and 2nd WR  
giantsfan44ab : 6/26/2016 10:01 am : link
is going to playout for the Giants will be a crapshoot. Since rookie TEs don't make an impact I like Will Tye's chances. If he was featured from week 1 last season he could've had 800+ yards and 7-8+ TDs. He's another undrafted candidate I like late.
Eli's usually a good mid-round pick  
giants#1 : 6/26/2016 10:01 am : link
Not a sexy pick and you can usually get him a few rounds later than comparable players.

Beckham - obviously a 1st round pick

Cruz - maybe a mid-late round flyer if he makes it through camp/preseason.

Sheppard - worth a mid-late round pick, especially if Cruz does NOT make it through camp/preseason.

Not sure I'd use a pick on them (maybe a late round flyer), but if you want to play matchups, then whoever is the starting TE.

I wouldn't touch any of the RBs other than maybe Jennings as your 3rd/4th back.

If you're relying on anyone but Beckham/Eli as a starter, you're probably in some trouble.
Eli will not go undrafted  
jc in c-ville : 6/26/2016 10:06 am : link
unless of course you prefer 8 team FF leagues.

I tend to stick with 12,14 or 16 team leagues and I believe this will finally be the year that many Giant fans will wait thinking he is going to fall to them and .....he's gone.

Not saying you grab him early but there are plenty of non-Giants fans that play FF that are very aware of OBJ and will be monitoring Cruz.

In contrast, one QB that could be a steal and drop further than ELI is Luck. Last year he was being grabbed near the top of QB's but this year, not so much.

Two that I feel will go to high are Cam and Brees. To the later, Due to his 2014, he dropped last year and helped many including myself but if you look at his past 6 years, he is inconsistent every other year and can be a huge INT machine.

I never like taking a QB early so I suppose I will be looking at the same cast of characters when drafting one: Ryan, Eli, Romo, Rivers, Stafford.
Eli is a good 10th round or later pick  
superspynyg : 6/26/2016 10:49 am : link
OBJ is really the only player worth drafting. You might do Sheppard in the really late rounds.

Some have Pitts Brown and OBJ as picks 1 and 2. Most have them top 5 in a standard league.
Shepard is a good draft  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 10:57 am : link
pick in keeper leagues, if you can get him late.

I had Eli for his 6 TD game last year, but of course I was playing against Brees who had 7 and 500 yards.

I usually try and get Eli as one of my rostered QB's.

As for the D I usually try and play matchups with D, unless you get the Broncos in 2015 or Seattle in 2014 I try and matchup D's, and if all things are otherwise equal I'd use the Giants.
RE: Eli will not go undrafted  
giantsfan44ab : 6/26/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13009581 jc in c-ville said:
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unless of course you prefer 8 team FF leagues.

I tend to stick with 12,14 or 16 team leagues and I believe this will finally be the year that many Giant fans will wait thinking he is going to fall to them and .....he's gone.

Not saying you grab him early but there are plenty of non-Giants fans that play FF that are very aware of OBJ and will be monitoring Cruz.

In contrast, one QB that could be a steal and drop further than ELI is Luck. Last year he was being grabbed near the top of QB's but this year, not so much.

Two that I feel will go to high are Cam and Brees. To the later, Due to his 2014, he dropped last year and helped many including myself but if you look at his past 6 years, he is inconsistent every other year and can be a huge INT machine.

I never like taking a QB early so I suppose I will be looking at the same cast of characters when drafting one: Ryan, Eli, Romo, Rivers, Stafford.



I might be talking more about my league when saying I can get Eli in one of the last rounds. I'm in a 10 team league that consists of 4 eagles fans, 2 jets fans, 2 pats fans and 1 new guy who is following football for the first time (and being "tutored" by the eagles fans at that). This might be the year someone uses my love for Eli against me but i like my chances. If not, I like Carr and Winston just as much, and both are projected to go after Eli in standard ESPN.
RE: Shepard is a good draft  
giantsfan44ab : 6/26/2016 12:11 pm : link
In comment 13009642 pjcas18 said:
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pick in keeper leagues, if you can get him late.

I had Eli for his 6 TD game last year, but of course I was playing against Brees who had 7 and 500 yards.

I usually try and get Eli as one of my rostered QB's.

As for the D I usually try and play matchups with D, unless you get the Broncos in 2015 or Seattle in 2014 I try and matchup D's, and if all things are otherwise equal I'd use the Giants.


I equate drafting the first defense to playing Russian roulette. I can't remember when the first defense taken ended up being the best actual fantasy defense. Denver's defense last year was nearly as valuable as having Antonio brown or cam newton relative to the other defenses. But TOs and defensive TDs are the most volatile stat year in year out so I'm prolly gonna try streaming this year. Denver lost too many good players and I don't trust the offense to keep the defense off the field as much this year.
yep  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 12:15 pm : link
almost every year my last two picks are kicker and D just based on the way my leagues are set up D are just not that valuable unless they score TD's. A couple years ago the Eagles were uncanny with the ST/D TD's.

and kickers are really almost pure luck.

There is always one team who drafts their D in the 7th round and K in the 10th and sometimes it starts a run on K or D and I sit back and watch it unfold.
It's way way way too early to be ranking positions,  
Keith : 6/26/2016 12:17 pm : link
but on paper in June, the Giants certainly have the potential to be a good FF defense. Similar to the Giants season, it all depends on the defensive line.
Specifically for Eli  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 6/26/2016 12:19 pm : link
A fantsy football plundit that I trust has Eli as the #8 QB overall and a sleeper monster.
The best aspect of Eli being severely underrated  
Keith : 6/26/2016 12:20 pm : link
is that he usually falls in FF. He's going to put up insane numbers this year. I think he will end up a top 5 QB. Last year he was the 8th ranked QB and now he has more weapons and more experience playing with this group and system. If one of these TE's steps up, it will help immensely.
As his biggest supporter....  
dep026 : 6/26/2016 12:33 pm : link
let me tell you the one downfall to eli this year....

Defense. If our defense is much improved, we shouldnt be behind nearly as much and may be less reliant to throw the ball.

So it may be one of those years where eli's numbers dip, but his play and the overall play of the team improves.
RE: The best aspect of Eli being severely underrated  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13009740 Keith said:
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is that he usually falls in FF. He's going to put up insane numbers this year. I think he will end up a top 5 QB. Last year he was the 8th ranked QB and now he has more weapons and more experience playing with this group and system. If one of these TE's steps up, it will help immensely.


I'm in a keeper league and seriously considering keeping Cam Newton with an 8th round pick. I don't normally draft a QB until around there anyway, but Cam is in his prime and should be good value there.

I'd love to couple him with Eli in the 10th or so, there are no Giants fans in this league besides me.

If I don't keep Newton my other options would be Amari Cooper with a 4th, Dorial Green-Beckham with a 17th, Cobb with a 2nd, stefon diggs with an 8th, so not really many better options.
RE: RE: The best aspect of Eli being severely underrated  
dep026 : 6/26/2016 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13009753 pjcas18 said:
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is that he usually falls in FF. He's going to put up insane numbers this year. I think he will end up a top 5 QB. Last year he was the 8th ranked QB and now he has more weapons and more experience playing with this group and system. If one of these TE's steps up, it will help immensely.



I'm in a keeper league and seriously considering keeping Cam Newton with an 8th round pick. I don't normally draft a QB until around there anyway, but Cam is in his prime and should be good value there.

I'd love to couple him with Eli in the 10th or so, there are no Giants fans in this league besides me.

If I don't keep Newton my other options would be Amari Cooper with a 4th, Dorial Green-Beckham with a 17th, Cobb with a 2nd, stefon diggs with an 8th, so not really many better options.


If your league is PPR, you MUST keep Cooper in the 4th and not even think twice. hell, even if it isnt PPR - I'd still do it. Cooper has the ability, QB, offense to be a top 7-10 WR this year.
RE: RE: RE: The best aspect of Eli being severely underrated  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 12:49 pm : link
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is that he usually falls in FF. He's going to put up insane numbers this year. I think he will end up a top 5 QB. Last year he was the 8th ranked QB and now he has more weapons and more experience playing with this group and system. If one of these TE's steps up, it will help immensely.



I'm in a keeper league and seriously considering keeping Cam Newton with an 8th round pick. I don't normally draft a QB until around there anyway, but Cam is in his prime and should be good value there.

I'd love to couple him with Eli in the 10th or so, there are no Giants fans in this league besides me.

If I don't keep Newton my other options would be Amari Cooper with a 4th, Dorial Green-Beckham with a 17th, Cobb with a 2nd, stefon diggs with an 8th, so not really many better options.



If your league is PPR, you MUST keep Cooper in the 4th and not even think twice. hell, even if it isnt PPR - I'd still do it. Cooper has the ability, QB, offense to be a top 7-10 WR this year.


It is a ppr league. I can do that.

My other keeper is Gurley in the 5th. We get two keepers.

So my main considerations for the other keeper were between Newton in the 8th and Cooper in the 4th.

I got ravaged with injuries and bad picks last year (CJ Anderson in the 1st, Andrew Luck in the 2nd, Keenan Allen in the 3rd) so I had the 3rd pick in the draft.

I traded it for Odell Beckham.

So if I keep Cooper my team will be Beckham, Cooper and Gurley and then I have no 1st, 4th or 5th round picks. 2nd and 3rd go BPA WR/RB and get a QB like Eli later.

which is fine, that's as good a trio as almost anyone will have. Just wasn't sure if the gap between Cooper and whoever I'd draft in the 4th is wider than Newton and whatever QB I'd get in the 8th if you know what I mean.
I hear ya about Cam  
dep026 : 6/26/2016 12:52 pm : link
but a couple things about Cam, which does not reflect on his abilities whatsoever.

1. I think his running will eventually become less and less as he gets older.
2. There a ton of QBs you can after roudn 10.... eli, rivers, bortles, carr, mariotta....etc.... where I think they would put up just slightly less numbers.
I'd love to get Bortles  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 12:56 pm : link
I used him during my QB bye week last year and he went off. Threw a lot because their running game stunk and they were down a lot.

Eli would be ideal - I love having a QB/WR connection like Eli and Beckham. Or Carr with Cooper.

I'm in a 14 team PPR league  
beatrixkiddo : 6/26/2016 2:01 pm : link
Get one keeper. I picked up both Jordy Nelson and Kelvin Benjamin as FA before the season ended so I can keep either one of them for a last round pick. Or I can keep Jordan Reed for a last round pick, or Amari Cooper for a 4th. Not sure what I want to do. I'm l among value for Ed especially in a 14 team league and thinking of going with Jordy. What say you?
RE: I'm in a 14 team PPR league  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13009825 beatrixkiddo said:
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Get one keeper. I picked up both Jordy Nelson and Kelvin Benjamin as FA before the season ended so I can keep either one of them for a last round pick. Or I can keep Jordan Reed for a last round pick, or Amari Cooper for a 4th. Not sure what I want to do. I'm l among value for Ed especially in a 14 team league and thinking of going with Jordy. What say you?


I would keep Jordy.
*value  
beatrixkiddo : 6/26/2016 2:02 pm : link
Per round.
Yeah, it would be dumb not to.  
beatrixkiddo : 6/26/2016 2:04 pm : link
I just always worry how players will do coming back from injuries. But Jordy is the go to weapon in that offense. Rogers wasn't the same without him last year.
RE: Yeah, it would be dumb not to.  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 2:05 pm : link
In comment 13009828 beatrixkiddo said:
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I just always worry how players will do coming back from injuries. But Jordy is the go to weapon in that offense. Rogers wasn't the same without him last year.


yep, you can always 2nd guess yourself and I think Kelvin Benjamin will be good too, but for Nelson in the last round vs Cooper in the 4th, you have to go with Jordy IMO.
My WR Sleeper...  
BamaBlue : 6/26/2016 2:31 pm : link
Ty Montgomery. He's got Aaron Rodgers throwing to him. His size and ability to get open in the red zone are his strong suits. He was starting to breakout in his rookie season last year and got hurt early. I suspect he will go undrafted in many FF leagues...
RE: My WR Sleeper...  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13009848 BamaBlue said:
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Ty Montgomery. He's got Aaron Rodgers throwing to him. His size and ability to get open in the red zone are his strong suits. He was starting to breakout in his rookie season last year and got hurt early. I suspect he will go undrafted in many FF leagues...


tough to figure out GB WR's. I wonder if Cobb reverts back to Cobb with Nelson back. And then toward the end of the season Rodgers was developing a rapport with Aberderis. Not to mention Davante Adams still an investment there that they haven't given up on and they like Jeff Janis too.

Plus they signed Jared Cook at TE to pair with Richard Rodgers. A lot of bodies to distribute to, not sure how many looks any of the fringe guys if everyone stays healthy.
I have 1st  
muhajir : 6/26/2016 2:47 pm : link
Pick in a ppr league this season. Consensus #1 pick is brown but i had david johnson last yr and he was a monsterrr in ppr. Should I reach and take him 1st overall or just take AB and not get cute.
RE: I have 1st  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13009866 muhajir said:
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Pick in a ppr league this season. Consensus #1 pick is brown but i had david johnson last yr and he was a monsterrr in ppr. Should I reach and take him 1st overall or just take AB and not get cute.


I go AB #1 in PPR. I could have seen a case for Beckham before the Martavis Bryant suspension, a slight one but Brown could catch 140 passes.
RE: RE: I have 1st  
muhajir : 6/26/2016 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13009874 pjcas18 said:
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Pick in a ppr league this season. Consensus #1 pick is brown but i had david johnson last yr and he was a monsterrr in ppr. Should I reach and take him 1st overall or just take AB and not get cute.



I go AB #1 in PPR. I could have seen a case for Beckham before the Martavis Bryant suspension, a slight one but Brown could catch 140 passes.


Yea agreed. Hes going to be a target monster all yr. I just keep picturing DJ having a yr like the insane yr charles had in 2013. Dj is by far the most complete back in the nfl imo. Only question mark with him is how much Arians will use him
RE: RE: RE: I have 1st  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2016 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13009915 muhajir said:
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Pick in a ppr league this season. Consensus #1 pick is brown but i had david johnson last yr and he was a monsterrr in ppr. Should I reach and take him 1st overall or just take AB and not get cute.



I go AB #1 in PPR. I could have seen a case for Beckham before the Martavis Bryant suspension, a slight one but Brown could catch 140 passes.



Yea agreed. Hes going to be a target monster all yr. I just keep picturing DJ having a yr like the insane yr charles had in 2013. Dj is by far the most complete back in the nfl imo. Only question mark with him is how much Arians will use him


DJ will be great I'm sure, I drafted him last year, I just think the best value at 1 is AB and a couple other WR's before any RB. Plus DJ is a Carson Palmer injury away from having 8 men in the box every down and we all know there's a very low risk of a Carson Palmer injury /sarcasm.

plus a healthy Chris Johnson is back in the mix.
For the Giants  
SimpleMan : 6/26/2016 6:13 pm : link
I like Paul Perkins as a sleeper RB. It sounds like he has a lot of potential and could have a shot at the RB starting job at some point in the year. Jennings is always an injury candidate, and Williams was awful last year.
RE: As his biggest supporter....  
Keith : 6/26/2016 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13009748 dep026 said:
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let me tell you the one downfall to eli this year....

Defense. If our defense is much improved, we shouldnt be behind nearly as much and may be less reliant to throw the ball.

So it may be one of those years where eli's numbers dip, but his play and the overall play of the team improves.


That's a very good point. I probably didn't factor in how bad the defense was last year so we passed a ton late in games, but I also think that will be offset by a coach that probably won't force "balance". Fair point nonetheless, I probably didn't factor that in.
RE: Eli will not go undrafted  
YAJ2112 : 6/26/2016 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13009581 jc in c-ville said:
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unless of course you prefer 8 team FF leagues.

I tend to stick with 12,14 or 16 team leagues and I believe this will finally be the year that many Giant fans will wait thinking he is going to fall to them and .....he's gone.

Not saying you grab him early but there are plenty of non-Giants fans that play FF that are very aware of OBJ and will be monitoring Cruz.

In contrast, one QB that could be a steal and drop further than ELI is Luck. Last year he was being grabbed near the top of QB's but this year, not so much.

Two that I feel will go to high are Cam and Brees. To the later, Due to his 2014, he dropped last year and helped many including myself but if you look at his past 6 years, he is inconsistent every other year and can be a huge INT machine.

I never like taking a QB early so I suppose I will be looking at the same cast of characters when drafting one: Ryan, Eli, Romo, Rivers, Stafford.


Luck is still being drafted in the 5th-6th round. No one is taking Eli before him in FF.
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