It's unknown what it means for the show, but clearly there's something very significant about the Citadel library. Sam (and Gilly) may be playing an important role as things progress. How did everyone miss this? - ( New Window )
It's unknown what it means for the show, but clearly there's something very significant about the Citadel library. Sam (and Gilly) may be playing an important role as things progress. How did everyone miss this?
I wouldn't say everyone missed it. I think all the fan sites noted the connection to the opening credits. Whether it's significant, or just a cute little Easter Egg, is anyone's guess at this point.
"Your brother (the skinny guy from the show) used to like to sing on the streets"......then a couple of sentences later "Rheagar (the mad King) would pick a place and he (the skiing guy) would sing." Obviously that wasn't correct but as a non book reader it can be very confusing.
The biggest villain in this show up until this point. Her incest is what's led to this, Kingslayers bitch ass obviously playing a role. I really thought Margaery had a chance, I guess having Olennas awesome character be safe should've been a clue.
Cersei is the Mad Queen. Jon Snow is the undead White Wolf. Dany is the etc. Varys and Littlefinger are playing the game at another level. Sansa is a certified. Arya is the killer. Winter is here and the Night King is coming.The episodes post-Hodor were meh, otherwise this was the best TV I've seen.
RE: Question
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 1:56 pm : link : reply
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
This was the reason, Jamie, became the Kingslayer.....will it make him also the Queenslayer?
it has to be Arya or Jaime. I'd lean towards Jaime, it would be better for the story. A murder-suicide sounds like the way, "We came in together, we go out together" type of BS.
will be pretty straight forward form here on out, so that prediction makes sense. But what if the prophecy is wrong? Do the show runners have the balls to do it or would that waste time trying to explain or debunk? I'm wondering if Martin ends up going that route as well.
RE: Seems pretty clear that the prophesy we saw S5E1 will come true Â
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
I'm not convinced Jaime won't support Cersei... reluctantly. Â
SOMEONE has to support her for her to be anything more than a speedbump on Daenerys' jaunt through Westeros. The only people that make any sense would be Jaime and/or Littlefinger. Even Littlefinger supporting her is a maaaaassive stretch.
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
They really boxed in Cersi and left her no other choice. Her first option was to use the Mountain as her champion in a trial by combat and they took that away from her. They sent away Jamie, who was her one voice of reason. They cut off Tommen from speaking to his mother anymore. She really had no choice but to use the wildfire, which was her only trump card left. One thing I have to give that episode (which is by far by favorite of the entire series), the music through out the entire episode was amazing and really set the tone perfectly.
Going back to Cersi, never thought she'd take the thrown, never even thought of that. I just thought she was going mad and in survival mode. She got revenge against all her foes and is making the Shame Nun tortured by the Mountain for everything she did to Cersi while help captive. I also like that Cersi forced herself in power and now with Ramsey dead, I like that she's the primary villain in the series that everyone will love to hate. Also now that Cersi is queen, that should open up a political marriage for her to take on a husband that can strengthen her position. Euron Greyjoy is building a 1000 ship fleet and originally wanted Dany's hand in marriage but since his nephew and niece Theon and Yara, got to Dany first. Then this would leave a perfect opening to offer his 1000 ship fleet to Cersi in her hand in marriage. That should make for an amazing sea battle next season with Euron's ship's vs Dany's ships. I'm also interested to see Jamie's reaction to all this after seeing the city burning and hearing his son died. Jamie always loved Cersi more then she did for him, so hopefully this will be a wake up call for Jamie as I really do want to root for him. Will Jamie be forced once again to do what is right by the realm and be a Queenslayer, although I think that right to kill Cersi is reserved for Arya.
Speaking of Arya, great to see her back in Westeros and crossing off the names on her list. She now has the skills to be an elite assassin and will be interested to see what she'll be up too. She still has 3 names on her list with with Cersi, Mountain and Ilyn Payne (the guy who chopped off Ned's head). Also the Hound but since she left him for dead once, not sure if she'll take a second stab at him.
Interesting to see Sam finally reach the Citadel. It's massive library of knowledge that has text dating back 8000 years. I think Sam will play a big role in the final two seasons, as there has to be something written about how to deal with the white walkers. I also think Jorah Mormont is heading to the Citadel, since Dany gave him the order to find a cure and if there is knowledge of a cure for greyscale, it is sure to be at the library. Plus Sam's father, who Sam stole the Valerian steel sword from, knows he's at the Citadel and I feel will head there to kill Sam and take back his sword. Maybe Jorah will rescue Sam from his father and in return Sam will help Jorah find a cure for greyscale from the texts in the Citadel's library.
Tyrion for most of his life, I feel, always wanted to be accepted. Either from his family or anyone in his company that he paid for or bought off to be his friend. Then when he became Hand of the King, he saved Kings Landing on more then one occasion but never got the due credit for any of this actions. So that scene with Dany, was really great to see, as he's finally gotten the acceptance and credit he always wanted when Dany made him the Hand of the Queen. Very nice scene also when Varys secured Dany's Westeros support from both Dorne and Highgarden.
Finally, what a great scene to wrap up the Jon Snow arch for this season when he was declared the King of the North. The young actress who played Lyanna Mormont has really done an great job. She's stolen almost every scene she's been in and gave an amazing speech that shamed the other Northern Lords for their actions and to finally declare Jon the King of the North. That one move also under cut Littlefinger's plans to marry Sansa and unite the North in his quest to take the Iron Throne. I'm glad Sansa isn't falling for any of his lies anymore and will be interesting to see what Littlefinger's next strategy and plans will be.
Really looking forward to next season!
RE: Just officially announced there are 13-15 episodes left Â
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
Best news so far. The rumors of 7 or 8 final episodes just didn't give me any confidence at all in doing a proper send off. Too much left to do.
RE: I'm not convinced Jaime won't support Cersei... reluctantly. Â
SOMEONE has to support her for her to be anything more than a speedbump on Daenerys' jaunt through Westeros. The only people that make any sense would be Jaime and/or Littlefinger. Even Littlefinger supporting her is a maaaaassive stretch.
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
Tywin did say she's not as smart as she thinks she is. I would be surprised if the people of King's Landing aren't against her too after she killed a bunch of innocent people. I think Euron joining/marrying her is almost a given.
I think Littlefinger's plan is to continue to concern-troll Sansa, get Jon out of the picture,let Dany et al and Cersei destroy each other, then swoop in late. I think the Sansa-Jon tension was one of the best storylines to come out of the finale.
Sansa takes the North away from Jon with help of Baelish proving Jon is Targ. Howland Reed resurfaces. Jon leaves Sansa on his own.heads South with his small army of Wildings.
Cersi and Euron unit Againist mother of dragons. Including the hell horn which controls dragons.
Sam learns how to defeat the White Walkers Army.
Wall falls after Bran goes though it removing the magic spells.
Arya continues her list even seeing Jon at one point while wearing another's face.
Dani defeats Cersi with Jons help Jon kills Jamie,and Tyrion kills Cersi.
in order to kill time till next season? I love the show, but I think reading the books would kind of be useless at this point....thoughts?
I think it's a completely different experience, so no, it's not too late by any means. You might love the books or hate them. Enjoying the show might not be a good predictor. The books feature a lot of sour beer, hard cheese, bloody flux and aimless wandering. Not to mention a ton of history and folklore that you may not care about.
to provide exposition for why magical things are happening. E.g. like the uncle just explained wall magic. Sam will likely serve in that role during a big battle or three.
in order to kill time till next season? I love the show, but I think reading the books would kind of be useless at this point....thoughts?
I think the books offer a completely different experience. The show does as good a job as you can possibly do, but it still doesn't compare, IMO. Not to mention both the showrunners and Martin confirming the story's ending and how they get there will be different, it makes it a must read for me.
I have an interesting theory / suspicion that I thought I'd let the people weigh in on - Brexit style.
I think Varys was in on the Sept of Baelor bombing in that he either knew it was coming or even possibly helped move it along stealthily.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
is the ultimate wildcard. It used to be him and Littlefinger but the showrunners neutered Littlefinger. I can see that theory being accurate, something is up Varys' sleeve and someone will absolutely have a final backstab moment to shake up the landscape, especially now that there going to be atleast another full season.
I've been suspicious of Varys ever since Tyrion said Â
he was the only one he could trust (or something close to that). Perhaps I'm jaded by early seasons when the general rule of Varys was "you can't trust him", but that has stuck with me over the last few episodes. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Varys does burn Tyrion/Dany somehow.
I think Varys was in on the Sept of Baelor bombing in that he either knew it was coming or even possibly helped move it along stealthily.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I think it's a stretch to say Varys would let the Sept bombing go just to further his own agenda. (It's not a stretch to say he knew in advance, but probably wasn't in a position to do anything about it, like Ned Stark's incarceration.) Besides, if Olenna Tyrell was somehow able to get her grandchildren out of King's Landing, she wouldn't need much convincing to join forces with the anti-Lannister group. Varys has two goals, stability of the kingdom and staying alive. He hasn't been shown to be as unscrupulous as Littlefinger.
RE: Just officially announced there are 13-15 episodes left Â
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
I wonder how they will split up both seasons. I hope season 7 is at least eight episodes long and season 8 has the remaining five, with the finale being a 2 hour event.
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I'm here all week, folks. Get home safe.
I think Cersei knew the Sparrow would pull the trial by combat option out from under her. That's why she looked into the wildfire in the first place.
that Varys is directly over Dany's shoulder during the very final scene imo. I have no idea if he has something up his sleeve, but his character had a big couple of episodes to end this season.
Under the Targaryens and Baratheons, the Citadel and the Faith have been progressively co-opted and corrupted by the Crown. (I'll leave it at that to steer clear of book spoilers.) Pycelle embodied that corruption. If somebody like Aemon were Grand Maester, maybe the Citadel would have done something useful the past six years as Westeros was ravaged by war and an even bigger menace rose in the North.
Then again, compared to Qyburn, Pycelle was a paragon of moral rectitude - except that Qyburn has a much stronger work ethic.
Cersei gets a fleet for the Second Battle of The Blackwater.
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
RE: RE: Not sure what Euron or Cersei would want from each other. Â
Cersei gets a fleet for the Second Battle of The Blackwater.
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
He wants the Dragons. Cersei has nothing to offer him, except the throne, but even that he could probably take without her help.
Conversely, she doesn't need his fleet to guard the Blackwater, there's aleady a royal fleet. And she is not taking a new husband.
Cersei and Euron vs Daenerys, Dorne, and the old Iron Fleet?
While
Stark vs Littlefinger with the Whitewalkers playing spoilers?
Pretty much, except add the Reach to Team Dany. Cersei may have smoked House Tyrell and the Faith Militant in the West Regional, but the Highgarden army is largely intact. As if the East Region Champs weren't imposing enough already, Dragongirl just added thousands of Tyrell soldiers, without the dead weight of that buffoon Mace.
And of course, Euron + Cersei is just a guess at this point.
Having a work debate but now in the story-line, is Jon a Stark, since he was declared the King of the North. Or is he still considered a Snow?
Several co-workers are saying once all the Lords in the North declared Jon as their King, then Jon automatically became officially recognized as a Stark and is not a Snow anymore.
Personally, I still think he is a Snow and only the King (Queen) regent at Kings Landing can officially declare Jon to be a legitimate Stark or not.
How did everyone miss this? - ( New Window )
It's been mentioned a few times. One is linked below.
Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't say everyone missed it. I think all the fan sites noted the connection to the opening credits. Whether it's significant, or just a cute little Easter Egg, is anyone's guess at this point.
Cersei is the Mad Queen. Jon Snow is the undead White Wolf. Dany is the etc. Varys and Littlefinger are playing the game at another level. Sansa is a certified. Arya is the killer. Winter is here and the Night King is coming.The episodes post-Hodor were meh, otherwise this was the best TV I've seen.
A lot of non-readers missed it, but the show-runners did try to explain the relationship.
More of Barristan gushing about Rhaegar - ( New Window )
A lot of non-readers missed it, but the show-runners did try to explain the relationship. More of Barristan gushing about Rhaegar - ( New Window )
Great scene on a lot of levels.
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 1:56 pm : link : reply
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
This was the reason, Jamie, became the Kingslayer.....will it make him also the Queenslayer?
Will Arya get to her first?
Will a dragon swoop down and get her?
Will Jon Snow Targaryen avenge his family?
Will Sansa have her revenge?
Or will it be Tyrion?
I hope so. I'm rooting for tons of destruction and a brutal ending. I'd also like to see atleast 1 curveball thrown in before the end of the series.
Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.
and: And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you
Most assumed Margery was the younger more beautiful queen, but I still think Dany. Tyrion will be the valonqar.
Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.
and: And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you
Most assumed Margery was the younger more beautiful queen, but I still think Dany. Tyrion will be the valonqar.
I hope it's Jaime and not Tyrion. Having the dual titles of Kingslayer and Queenslayer is just too damn good for the story.
From David Benioff:
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
Going back to Cersi, never thought she'd take the thrown, never even thought of that. I just thought she was going mad and in survival mode. She got revenge against all her foes and is making the Shame Nun tortured by the Mountain for everything she did to Cersi while help captive. I also like that Cersi forced herself in power and now with Ramsey dead, I like that she's the primary villain in the series that everyone will love to hate. Also now that Cersi is queen, that should open up a political marriage for her to take on a husband that can strengthen her position. Euron Greyjoy is building a 1000 ship fleet and originally wanted Dany's hand in marriage but since his nephew and niece Theon and Yara, got to Dany first. Then this would leave a perfect opening to offer his 1000 ship fleet to Cersi in her hand in marriage. That should make for an amazing sea battle next season with Euron's ship's vs Dany's ships. I'm also interested to see Jamie's reaction to all this after seeing the city burning and hearing his son died. Jamie always loved Cersi more then she did for him, so hopefully this will be a wake up call for Jamie as I really do want to root for him. Will Jamie be forced once again to do what is right by the realm and be a Queenslayer, although I think that right to kill Cersi is reserved for Arya.
Speaking of Arya, great to see her back in Westeros and crossing off the names on her list. She now has the skills to be an elite assassin and will be interested to see what she'll be up too. She still has 3 names on her list with with Cersi, Mountain and Ilyn Payne (the guy who chopped off Ned's head). Also the Hound but since she left him for dead once, not sure if she'll take a second stab at him.
Interesting to see Sam finally reach the Citadel. It's massive library of knowledge that has text dating back 8000 years. I think Sam will play a big role in the final two seasons, as there has to be something written about how to deal with the white walkers. I also think Jorah Mormont is heading to the Citadel, since Dany gave him the order to find a cure and if there is knowledge of a cure for greyscale, it is sure to be at the library. Plus Sam's father, who Sam stole the Valerian steel sword from, knows he's at the Citadel and I feel will head there to kill Sam and take back his sword. Maybe Jorah will rescue Sam from his father and in return Sam will help Jorah find a cure for greyscale from the texts in the Citadel's library.
Tyrion for most of his life, I feel, always wanted to be accepted. Either from his family or anyone in his company that he paid for or bought off to be his friend. Then when he became Hand of the King, he saved Kings Landing on more then one occasion but never got the due credit for any of this actions. So that scene with Dany, was really great to see, as he's finally gotten the acceptance and credit he always wanted when Dany made him the Hand of the Queen. Very nice scene also when Varys secured Dany's Westeros support from both Dorne and Highgarden.
Finally, what a great scene to wrap up the Jon Snow arch for this season when he was declared the King of the North. The young actress who played Lyanna Mormont has really done an great job. She's stolen almost every scene she's been in and gave an amazing speech that shamed the other Northern Lords for their actions and to finally declare Jon the King of the North. That one move also under cut Littlefinger's plans to marry Sansa and unite the North in his quest to take the Iron Throne. I'm glad Sansa isn't falling for any of his lies anymore and will be interesting to see what Littlefinger's next strategy and plans will be.
Really looking forward to next season!
From David Benioff:
Quote:
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
Best news so far. The rumors of 7 or 8 final episodes just didn't give me any confidence at all in doing a proper send off. Too much left to do.
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
Tywin did say she's not as smart as she thinks she is. I would be surprised if the people of King's Landing aren't against her too after she killed a bunch of innocent people. I think Euron joining/marrying her is almost a given.
I think Littlefinger's plan is to continue to concern-troll Sansa, get Jon out of the picture,let Dany et al and Cersei destroy each other, then swoop in late. I think the Sansa-Jon tension was one of the best storylines to come out of the finale.
Cersi and Euron unit Againist mother of dragons. Including the hell horn which controls dragons.
Sam learns how to defeat the White Walkers Army.
Wall falls after Bran goes though it removing the magic spells.
Arya continues her list even seeing Jon at one point while wearing another's face.
Dani defeats Cersi with Jons help Jon kills Jamie,and Tyrion kills Cersi.
I think it's a completely different experience, so no, it's not too late by any means. You might love the books or hate them. Enjoying the show might not be a good predictor. The books feature a lot of sour beer, hard cheese, bloody flux and aimless wandering. Not to mention a ton of history and folklore that you may not care about.
It is not. Gives a lot more detail. I read the first one after 3 or 4 seasons. Plan on reading the rest before the series ends. Time permitting.
I think the books offer a completely different experience. The show does as good a job as you can possibly do, but it still doesn't compare, IMO. Not to mention both the showrunners and Martin confirming the story's ending and how they get there will be different, it makes it a must read for me.
I think Varys was in on the Sept of Baelor bombing in that he either knew it was coming or even possibly helped move it along stealthily.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I'm here all week, folks. Get home safe.
From David Benioff:
Quote:
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
I wonder how they will split up both seasons. I hope season 7 is at least eight episodes long and season 8 has the remaining five, with the finale being a 2 hour event.
Quote:
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I'm here all week, folks. Get home safe.
I think Cersei knew the Sparrow would pull the trial by combat option out from under her. That's why she looked into the wildfire in the first place.
Then again, compared to Qyburn, Pycelle was a paragon of moral rectitude - except that Qyburn has a much stronger work ethic.
While
Stark vs Littlefinger with the Whitewalkers playing spoilers?
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
Quote:
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Cersei gets a fleet for the Second Battle of The Blackwater.
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
He wants the Dragons. Cersei has nothing to offer him, except the throne, but even that he could probably take without her help.
Conversely, she doesn't need his fleet to guard the Blackwater, there's aleady a royal fleet. And she is not taking a new husband.
While
Stark vs Littlefinger with the Whitewalkers playing spoilers?
Pretty much, except add the Reach to Team Dany. Cersei may have smoked House Tyrell and the Faith Militant in the West Regional, but the Highgarden army is largely intact. As if the East Region Champs weren't imposing enough already, Dragongirl just added thousands of Tyrell soldiers, without the dead weight of that buffoon Mace.
And of course, Euron + Cersei is just a guess at this point.
If it comes to that, I'm all in on the Night's King.
(Robert is his name in the books. Take THAT, spoiler-phobes!)
Haha, this was definitely much needed, I mean the fading from baby Jon into adult Jon on the finale wasn't a dead giveaway or anything...
Several co-workers are saying once all the Lords in the North declared Jon as their King, then Jon automatically became officially recognized as a Stark and is not a Snow anymore.
Personally, I still think he is a Snow and only the King (Queen) regent at Kings Landing can officially declare Jon to be a legitimate Stark or not.
Aegon Targaryen.