Rhaegar Was even mentioned in the show as being Dany's older brother. I could be wrong but I've watched the show twice. Without book readers this show would be unable to follow some of the details.
Barristan mentioned Rhaegar as being Dany's brother more than once, in more more than one season. You had the crypt scenes in season 5 between LF and Sansa explaining the situation between Rhaegar and Lyanna. And the scenes in season 1 explaining the situation between Lyanna and Robert. Could they have done better? Maybe I guess. But I think they did a pretty good job preparing you for this moment over the last 5 years to be honest.
Jamie will be pissed at Cersei, blaming her for their son, Tommen's death. So, how do you see this playing out?
Anyone else think ARYA will be the one to end Cersei's life, not Danny. I believe Arya has Cersei on her list of people to kill. After watching how she killed Frey, I'm thinking she is going down her list. And she has faces to use as disguises.
This was my thought last night when she killed Frey. I would be surprised if she isn't the one who kills Cersei.
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
The Braavos timeline was not tied to any rest of plot events after Tyrell and Trant went to the Iron Bank. We shouldnt assume we're seeing scenes in chronological order. Also, Braavos is fairly close to the Twins (Frey castle), especially if the ship skips the Vale and goes north of it. If that's the case it could be as little as a day or two once on horse.
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
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Rhaegar Was even mentioned in the show as being Dany's older brother. I could be wrong but I've watched the show twice. Without book readers this show would be unable to follow some of the details.
You didn't watch it very well then. Rhaegar was mentioned quite a few times. He was referred to being thought to be the last dragon which of course Dani says he was not the last. Robert started the rebellion and wanted Dani killed as being family of Rhaegar who kidnapped and raped Ned's sister. Remember Ned being pissed because Robert wanted to kill Dani because she was a Targaryn. Littlefinger wasn't so sure about the kidnapping/rape part and that part is still in speculation. Rhaegar was also shown in the house of the undying or whatever when Dani sees a vision of her brother talking about the prince that was promised. Selmy and Dani talk about the mad kind and Rhaegar. It has been mentioned, but throughout 6 seasons over 6 years people probably forgot.
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
RE: RE: RE: The only thing that bothers me about this season
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
Isn't Dorne on the same side as Mereen?
RE: RE: RE: RE: The only thing that bothers me about this season
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
Isn't Dorne on the same side as Mereen?
nevermind
RE: RE: RE: RE: The only thing that bothers me about this season
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
Isn't Dorne on the same side as Mereen?
Nah it's in Westeros. It's the furthest south of any of the 7 kingdoms. To be fair it's fair but not THAT far from Mareen by boat
up the narrow see to KL. How they would have known to scoop him up, I have no idea but Varys has always been able to communicate all over the kingdoms just like Littlefinger so him getting word to tyrion isn't totally unrealistic?
RE: RE: RE: The only thing that bothers me about this season
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
If you watch the boat scene, there were boats from Dorne as well as Highgarden in that armada. So he probably was on the Dorne/Highgarden boats that went to Mereen to show thier support for Dany. There was definitely some time that took place been Varys in Dorne and the final armada scene.
of Dorne and Highgarden prior to Dany heading to Westeros. He had to go back to let her know he was successful.
Below is an interactive map of the 7 kingdoms to give you an idea how far Meereen is from Dorne. It's south of the Dothraki sea, just south of womb of the world. link - ( New Window )
RE: It could make sense for Dany's fleet to scoop up Varys on the way
up the narrow see to KL. How they would have known to scoop him up, I have no idea but Varys has always been able to communicate all over the kingdoms just like Littlefinger so him getting word to tyrion isn't totally unrealistic?
I took that as the fleet had already been to Dorne as well...
Euron will go offer his services to yet another husband-less queen, Cersei, since his nephew/nieces are with her enemy, Daenerys
Maybe. Frankly, the size of Dany's army plus the dragons, when factoring just how leaderless and adrift the Westerosi houses are, this coming invasion should be a blood bath.
So something like Euron attacking them at sea, Dany blowing up all of KL (very unlikely) or something else needs to happen, or else this gets boring in a hurry. There isnt the leadership in Westeros to repell a dragon/dothraki/unsullied invasion, let alone one supported by Dorne and the Reach.
of Dorne and Highgarden prior to Dany heading to Westeros. He had to go back to let her know he was successful.
Below is an interactive map of the 7 kingdoms to give you an idea how far Meereen is from Dorne. It's south of the Dothraki sea, just south of womb of the world. link - ( New Window )
Which is why the much more plausible explanation is that varys sent word to mereen or the fleet somehow, and the fleet caught up with him in Dorne on the way up the narrow sea to KL.
Euron catching up with the fleet at sea sounds like a possible twist but even then, I can't see how his just constructed fleet can even compare with dany/dorne/tyrell + dragons
did you guys miss the scene where Varys was saying
goodbye to Tyrion and said he'd know if his mission didn't work if he doesn't return?
I remember it clearly. I also remember Littlefinger and Varys being 8 moves ahead of everyone else in the 7 kingdoms because they have extensive informant operations.
is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
If you watch the boat scene, there were boats from Dorne as well as Highgarden in that armada. So he probably was on the Dorne/Highgarden boats that went to Mereen to show thier support for Dany. There was definitely some time that took place been Varys in Dorne and the final armada scene.
Oh didn't see the boats from Dorne or Highgarden... Interesting.
About Varys being on that boat at the end was the fact that they robbed us of a potentially great introduction scene where Danaerys is finally face to face with the spider
Rhagar I thought they were referencing the Mad King. Do they specifically describe Rhagar as Dany's brother? Why would Rhagar be the last dragon when Dany had another brother as well?
Is Meera's father still alive? He hasn't really been adressed much besides the first TOJ flashback where he saves Ned. He would absolutely know the secret about Jon.
If he is alive, he may he the one to confirm it instead of Bran.
Rhagar I thought they were referencing the Mad King. Do they specifically describe Rhagar as Dany's brother? Why would Rhagar be the last dragon when Dany had another brother as well?
It's funny you should say this. I was talking with my neighbor this morning and even he believed Rheagar was the Mad King. I confronted him and then he pulled out his cell phone to confirm what I said. So, you are not alone not knowing Rheagar was Daeny's brother.m
Do the Lannisters really have a chance against this conglomerate fleet crossing the sea?
If no, then where will the drama come from?
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
Do the Lannisters really have a chance against this conglomerate fleet crossing the sea?
If no, then where will the drama come from?
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
I think her destroying King's Landing while committing suicide is totally possible; would jibe with Dany's visions of a destroyed throne room in the House of the Undying way back when.
That baked Freys pie scene was great.
I wonder Edmure was freed by his niece
To be clear: mad king dies, which elevates first child to King, Rheagar. Rheagar dies which then elevates his son, Jon Snow. Danny gets nada.
Jon is still a bastard. Rheagar's wife was Elia Martell of Dorne, not Lyanna Stark.
Barristan mentioned Rhaegar as being Dany's brother more than once, in more more than one season. You had the crypt scenes in season 5 between LF and Sansa explaining the situation between Rhaegar and Lyanna. And the scenes in season 1 explaining the situation between Lyanna and Robert. Could they have done better? Maybe I guess. But I think they did a pretty good job preparing you for this moment over the last 5 years to be honest.
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Does this mean Jon's right to the throne of the 7 supersedes Daenaryis's right if Rheagar outlived his father.
To be clear: mad king dies, which elevates first child to King, Rheagar. Rheagar dies which then elevates his son, Jon Snow. Danny gets nada.
Jon is still a bastard. Rheagar's wife was Elia Martell of Dorne, not Lyanna Stark.
Did Elia have any children? If not, doesn't a bastard still have some standing? After all, he has the King's blood running through him.
Anyone else think ARYA will be the one to end Cersei's life, not Danny. I believe Arya has Cersei on her list of people to kill. After watching how she killed Frey, I'm thinking she is going down her list. And she has faces to use as disguises.
This was my thought last night when she killed Frey. I would be surprised if she isn't the one who kills Cersei.
Did Elia have any children? If not, doesn't a bastard still have some standing? After all, he has the King's blood running through him.
Maybe as a last resort, or if elevated like Ramsey was. But Dany is a full blooded Targ, and that should win legally.
Though remember, Robert just took the throne. Cersi has no claim to it at all. And Jon is a bastard.
I do think it would be funny if Bran sent a raven to Winterfell addressed to the "Usurper Jon Snow".
The Braavos timeline was not tied to any rest of plot events after Tyrell and Trant went to the Iron Bank. We shouldnt assume we're seeing scenes in chronological order. Also, Braavos is fairly close to the Twins (Frey castle), especially if the ship skips the Vale and goes north of it. If that's the case it could be as little as a day or two once on horse.
Some claim but likely inferior claim. Ok?
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Does this mean Jon's right to the throne of the 7 supersedes Daenaryis's right if Rheagar outlived his father.
To be clear: mad king dies, which elevates first child to King, Rheagar. Rheagar dies which then elevates his son, Jon Snow. Danny gets nada.
Jon is still a bastard. Rheagar's wife was Elia Martell of Dorne, not Lyanna Stark.
Did Elia have any children? If not, doesn't a bastard still have some standing? After all, he has the King's blood running through him.
Elia had children. The Mountain killed them.
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Does this mean Jon's right to the throne of the 7 supersedes Daenaryis's right if Rheagar outlived his father.
To be clear: mad king dies, which elevates first child to King, Rheagar. Rheagar dies which then elevates his son, Jon Snow. Danny gets nada.
Jon is still a bastard. Rheagar's wife was Elia Martell of Dorne, not Lyanna Stark.
Did Elia have any children? If not, doesn't a bastard still have some standing? After all, he has the King's blood running through him.
Elia had children. The Mountain killed them.
And he raped her...then squashed her head.
Gendry was in danger with Stannis bc he had kings blood and the red woman wanted to use that, right?
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Does this mean Jon's right to the throne of the 7 supersedes Daenaryis's right if Rheagar outlived his father.
To be clear: mad king dies, which elevates first child to King, Rheagar. Rheagar dies which then elevates his son, Jon Snow. Danny gets nada.
Jon is still a bastard. Rheagar's wife was Elia Martell of Dorne, not Lyanna Stark.
Did Elia have any children? If not, doesn't a bastard still have some standing? After all, he has the King's blood running through him.
Elia had children. The Mountain killed them.
Lol! Thanks. This response really cracked me up. Thanks for the laugh Chris.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
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which is why Gendry had to flee as he would have been killed by Stannis or the Lannisters had they found out.
Some claim but likely inferior claim. Ok?
Agreed no need to get pissy
You didn't watch it very well then. Rhaegar was mentioned quite a few times. He was referred to being thought to be the last dragon which of course Dani says he was not the last. Robert started the rebellion and wanted Dani killed as being family of Rhaegar who kidnapped and raped Ned's sister. Remember Ned being pissed because Robert wanted to kill Dani because she was a Targaryn. Littlefinger wasn't so sure about the kidnapping/rape part and that part is still in speculation. Rhaegar was also shown in the house of the undying or whatever when Dani sees a vision of her brother talking about the prince that was promised. Selmy and Dani talk about the mad kind and Rhaegar. It has been mentioned, but throughout 6 seasons over 6 years people probably forgot.
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
Isn't Dorne on the same side as Mereen?
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
Isn't Dorne on the same side as Mereen?
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
Isn't Dorne on the same side as Mereen?
Nah it's in Westeros. It's the furthest south of any of the 7 kingdoms. To be fair it's fair but not THAT far from Mareen by boat
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
If you watch the boat scene, there were boats from Dorne as well as Highgarden in that armada. So he probably was on the Dorne/Highgarden boats that went to Mereen to show thier support for Dany. There was definitely some time that took place been Varys in Dorne and the final armada scene.
Below is an interactive map of the 7 kingdoms to give you an idea how far Meereen is from Dorne. It's south of the Dothraki sea, just south of womb of the world.
link - ( New Window )
I took that as the fleet had already been to Dorne as well...
Maybe. Frankly, the size of Dany's army plus the dragons, when factoring just how leaderless and adrift the Westerosi houses are, this coming invasion should be a blood bath.
So something like Euron attacking them at sea, Dany blowing up all of KL (very unlikely) or something else needs to happen, or else this gets boring in a hurry. There isnt the leadership in Westeros to repell a dragon/dothraki/unsullied invasion, let alone one supported by Dorne and the Reach.
Below is an interactive map of the 7 kingdoms to give you an idea how far Meereen is from Dorne. It's south of the Dothraki sea, just south of womb of the world. link - ( New Window )
Which is why the much more plausible explanation is that varys sent word to mereen or the fleet somehow, and the fleet caught up with him in Dorne on the way up the narrow sea to KL.
Euron catching up with the fleet at sea sounds like a possible twist but even then, I can't see how his just constructed fleet can even compare with dany/dorne/tyrell + dragons
I remember it clearly. I also remember Littlefinger and Varys being 8 moves ahead of everyone else in the 7 kingdoms because they have extensive informant operations.
I don't think Varys is terribly interested in that...
I think it is pretty clear that he is always doing what he feels is right for the realm. He says as much. He serves the realm.
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is the speed of travel by some of these characters. Arya made it all the way back to kill Frey, Theon and his sister made it to Mereen in no time yet Brienne still hasn't returned from her meeting with the blackfish.
Just because it happens fast on tv doesn't mean it actually happens fast, they're just not showing us the entire trip like they did when Tyrion went to Mereen.
I don't have an issue with it. Eventually they have to progress things.
The only issue I had was that Varys was back in Mereen to ride back on the boat? I get that see travel is quicker, but he was in Dorn so why travel across the sea and then just travel right back across.
If you watch the boat scene, there were boats from Dorne as well as Highgarden in that armada. So he probably was on the Dorne/Highgarden boats that went to Mereen to show thier support for Dany. There was definitely some time that took place been Varys in Dorne and the final armada scene.
Oh didn't see the boats from Dorne or Highgarden... Interesting.
If he is alive, he may he the one to confirm it instead of Bran.
If no, then where will the drama come from?
It's funny you should say this. I was talking with my neighbor this morning and even he believed Rheagar was the Mad King. I confronted him and then he pulled out his cell phone to confirm what I said. So, you are not alone not knowing Rheagar was Daeny's brother.m
If no, then where will the drama come from?
Well Euron was looking for a queen to marry and now there is a queen on the iron throne....
If no, then where will the drama come from?
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
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Do the Lannisters really have a chance against this conglomerate fleet crossing the sea?
If no, then where will the drama come from?
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
I think her destroying King's Landing while committing suicide is totally possible; would jibe with Dany's visions of a destroyed throne room in the House of the Undying way back when.
Arya v Hound
Sansa v Cersi
Arya v Sansa
Bran v. any other Stark
Olenna v Cersi
Opens up the door for some queen on queen action on the long ship ride.
Since that point, more then usual, Cersi has been on this highly destructive path. What did Tommen tell her? Will we ever find out?