After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Before Cersi and Jamie convinced the Tyrell's to bring their army to Kings Landing, Tommen whispered a secrecy that the High Sparrow had told him.
Since that point, more then usual, Cersi has been on this highly destructive path. What did Tommen tell her? Will we ever find out?
No one knows, but IMO the best guess is that Olenna had Joffrey killed. I guess if she meets Tyrion it could come up. Or in another overwrought chat with the Kingslayer.
Maybe there will be a Return of the King-like 10 endings, and we'll see Arya retired to some island somewhere, laughing with Gendry in slow mo.
Between Gendry and Brienne/Pod it clear that no one should ever row a boat in Westeros, or they will never be seen again.
I actually hope that the very last scene of the series is him rowing up to shore in King's Landing sporting giant Popeye-esque guns from years of rowing and wondering what he missed.
After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
Woops. That was Ser Meryn Trant. Pain is still around i think.
After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
Woops. That was Ser Meryn Trant. Pain is still around i think.
I believe the actor that played Ilyn Payne sadly got cancer. Payne's character was suppose to have more rolls which they moved to other characters since he was battling cancer. The good news is he has beaten cancer after almost dying. Whether we ever see him on GoT though is not known.
After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
Woops. That was Ser Meryn Trant. Pain is still around i think.
I believe the actor that played Ilyn Payne sadly got cancer. Payne's character was suppose to have more rolls which they moved to other characters since he was battling cancer. The good news is he has beaten cancer after almost dying. Whether we ever see him on GoT though is not known.
I hope that is not considered a spoiler at all. It isn't about the show, but sadly the actor himself. I guess I did mention that he had other minor roles that were moved to other characters so I hope that doesn't cause any grief.
Up until this morning I thought Rhaegar was the Mad King.
Last week, it took me a half hour to convince two fairly devoted fans of the show that Rhaegar was the Mad King's son. When I mentioned Aerys, they just stared blankly.
Admittedly, we book readers take a lot for granted. The back-story re. Robert's Rebellion and the Tourney at Harrenhal is ridiculously complicated. To get it at all, non-readers needed to pay very close attention to a few key scenes: two conversations between Baelish and Sansa; one between Jaime and Brienne; one where Jorah and Barristan shared their memories of Rhaegar with Daenerys; and several where Tywin, Tyrion and others tossed out critical information in what might have seemed like throw-away lines.
As we've seen, the rules of ascension can go out the window. Robert took the throne by force. Cersei just took the throne by force. Jon just became King in the North as a bastard. Hell, in Dorne, Ellaria Sand appears be ruling and she has no bloodline to that seat, nor do I believe was she married to Oberyn.
Jon's bastard status as a Targ shouldn't be an issue as long as he has the right backing. However, it's possible Jon may not be a Targ bastard anyway. Historically Targs, in addition to being incestuous were also polygamous. See Aegon the conqueror as an example. He was married to his two sisters. Targs obeyed the rules of the Seven faith in recent generations, but people tend observe the rules that suit them at the time in this world. So it's possible if Rhaegar didn't take Lyanna by force, that he took her as a second wife making Jon legit, giving him the best legal claim to the throne. Probably a bit of a stretch but you never know.
Ultimately, I doubt the legal claim will matter. I doubt Dany would show up in Westeros and give up her lifelong quest because she found out she had a nephew with a better claim. I suspect Jon's Targ blood will be mainly relevant to the war of the Living vs. the Dead but who knows.
For those nerdy enough and with the free time, search online for videos produced by HBO to supplement the DVD sets. They offer a detailed history of the world relevant by season. Information that gets a few lines on the show is expanded upon in the supplemental material making things quite a bit easier to follow.
Up until this morning I thought Rhaegar was the Mad King.
Last week, it took me a half hour to convince two fairly devoted fans of the show that Rhaegar was the Mad King's son. When I mentioned Aerys, they just stared blankly.
Admittedly, we book readers take a lot for granted. The back-story re. Robert's Rebellion and the Tourney at Harrenhal is ridiculously complicated. To get it at all, non-readers needed to pay very close attention to a few key scenes: two conversations between Baelish and Sansa; one between Jaime and Brienne; one where Jorah and Barristan shared their memories of Rhaegar with Daenerys; and several where Tywin, Tyrion and others tossed out critical information in what might have seemed like throw-away lines.
You are correct. Some of those conversations can be hard for a non book reader to process with no background and with GOT having one million characters to try to sort out with weird names. It wasn't until I visited Wikia that I began to process and sort out most of the characters (not all).
Any reason why Jon doesn't have silver hair? Is the Stark brown hair gene (they make Lyanna have really dark brown hair) the dominant one over the Targaryen silver? Considering all the Targaryen's we know about on the show are silver-haired, it's interesting how Jon has a jet black emo look.
They preserved that look thru inbreeding. So maybe it is a weak gene.
I remember in season one that Ned noticed how all of the Baratheons had black hair and I always wondered if Jon wasn't Robert's son by Lianna. Wouldn't it be possible that she was carrying Robert's baby when she was raped? Just a thought.
Power being consolidated, alliances lining up... Â
The squeeze will be on the Lannisters, from north and south.
Too bad Cersei used up all that green stuff. They're gonna need it.
There is more Wildfire the green stuff all over kings landing as Aerys the mad king wanted to burn them all.
But Tyrion knows it and will tell Dani the Unburnt about it.
Bran and Howland Reed. Howland hasn't shown up yet... Something tells me he will next season. With Dany now willing to marry to help her secure the thrown, not crazy to see her and Jon joining together. Aunt and nephew doesn't matter to Targ's. In the books, Dany thought she would mary Varserees before he had her married off to the Dorthraki
Finds out Jon Snow is King of the North? I bet she laughs again. She won't head North but South to Kings Landing.
Cersi Lanister, Ilen Paine The Mountain.
Bran and Howland Reed. Howland hasn't shown up yet... Something tells me he will next season. With Dany now willing to marry to help her secure the thrown, not crazy to see her and Jon joining together. Aunt and nephew doesn't matter to Targ's. In the books, Dany thought she would mary Varserees before he had her married off to the Dorthraki
Finds out Jon Snow is King of the North? I bet she laughs again. She won't head North but South to Kings Landing.
Cersi Lanister, Ilen Paine The Mountain.
Arya's slicing of Frey last night was my favorite moment. I'm looking forward to more favorite moments, courtesy of Arya Stark.
It's unknown what it means for the show, but clearly there's something very significant about the Citadel library. Sam (and Gilly) may be playing an important role as things progress. How did everyone miss this? - ( New Window )
It's unknown what it means for the show, but clearly there's something very significant about the Citadel library. Sam (and Gilly) may be playing an important role as things progress. How did everyone miss this?
I wouldn't say everyone missed it. I think all the fan sites noted the connection to the opening credits. Whether it's significant, or just a cute little Easter Egg, is anyone's guess at this point.
"Your brother (the skinny guy from the show) used to like to sing on the streets"......then a couple of sentences later "Rheagar (the mad King) would pick a place and he (the skiing guy) would sing." Obviously that wasn't correct but as a non book reader it can be very confusing.
The biggest villain in this show up until this point. Her incest is what's led to this, Kingslayers bitch ass obviously playing a role. I really thought Margaery had a chance, I guess having Olennas awesome character be safe should've been a clue.
Cersei is the Mad Queen. Jon Snow is the undead White Wolf. Dany is the etc. Varys and Littlefinger are playing the game at another level. Sansa is a certified. Arya is the killer. Winter is here and the Night King is coming.The episodes post-Hodor were meh, otherwise this was the best TV I've seen.
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On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
This was the reason, Jamie, became the Kingslayer.....will it make him also the Queenslayer?
it has to be Arya or Jaime. I'd lean towards Jaime, it would be better for the story. A murder-suicide sounds like the way, "We came in together, we go out together" type of BS.
will be pretty straight forward form here on out, so that prediction makes sense. But what if the prophecy is wrong? Do the show runners have the balls to do it or would that waste time trying to explain or debunk? I'm wondering if Martin ends up going that route as well.
RE: Seems pretty clear that the prophesy we saw S5E1 will come true Â
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
I'm not convinced Jaime won't support Cersei... reluctantly. Â
SOMEONE has to support her for her to be anything more than a speedbump on Daenerys' jaunt through Westeros. The only people that make any sense would be Jaime and/or Littlefinger. Even Littlefinger supporting her is a maaaaassive stretch.
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
They really boxed in Cersi and left her no other choice. Her first option was to use the Mountain as her champion in a trial by combat and they took that away from her. They sent away Jamie, who was her one voice of reason. They cut off Tommen from speaking to his mother anymore. She really had no choice but to use the wildfire, which was her only trump card left. One thing I have to give that episode (which is by far by favorite of the entire series), the music through out the entire episode was amazing and really set the tone perfectly.
Going back to Cersi, never thought she'd take the thrown, never even thought of that. I just thought she was going mad and in survival mode. She got revenge against all her foes and is making the Shame Nun tortured by the Mountain for everything she did to Cersi while help captive. I also like that Cersi forced herself in power and now with Ramsey dead, I like that she's the primary villain in the series that everyone will love to hate. Also now that Cersi is queen, that should open up a political marriage for her to take on a husband that can strengthen her position. Euron Greyjoy is building a 1000 ship fleet and originally wanted Dany's hand in marriage but since his nephew and niece Theon and Yara, got to Dany first. Then this would leave a perfect opening to offer his 1000 ship fleet to Cersi in her hand in marriage. That should make for an amazing sea battle next season with Euron's ship's vs Dany's ships. I'm also interested to see Jamie's reaction to all this after seeing the city burning and hearing his son died. Jamie always loved Cersi more then she did for him, so hopefully this will be a wake up call for Jamie as I really do want to root for him. Will Jamie be forced once again to do what is right by the realm and be a Queenslayer, although I think that right to kill Cersi is reserved for Arya.
Speaking of Arya, great to see her back in Westeros and crossing off the names on her list. She now has the skills to be an elite assassin and will be interested to see what she'll be up too. She still has 3 names on her list with with Cersi, Mountain and Ilyn Payne (the guy who chopped off Ned's head). Also the Hound but since she left him for dead once, not sure if she'll take a second stab at him.
Interesting to see Sam finally reach the Citadel. It's massive library of knowledge that has text dating back 8000 years. I think Sam will play a big role in the final two seasons, as there has to be something written about how to deal with the white walkers. I also think Jorah Mormont is heading to the Citadel, since Dany gave him the order to find a cure and if there is knowledge of a cure for greyscale, it is sure to be at the library. Plus Sam's father, who Sam stole the Valerian steel sword from, knows he's at the Citadel and I feel will head there to kill Sam and take back his sword. Maybe Jorah will rescue Sam from his father and in return Sam will help Jorah find a cure for greyscale from the texts in the Citadel's library.
Tyrion for most of his life, I feel, always wanted to be accepted. Either from his family or anyone in his company that he paid for or bought off to be his friend. Then when he became Hand of the King, he saved Kings Landing on more then one occasion but never got the due credit for any of this actions. So that scene with Dany, was really great to see, as he's finally gotten the acceptance and credit he always wanted when Dany made him the Hand of the Queen. Very nice scene also when Varys secured Dany's Westeros support from both Dorne and Highgarden.
Finally, what a great scene to wrap up the Jon Snow arch for this season when he was declared the King of the North. The young actress who played Lyanna Mormont has really done an great job. She's stolen almost every scene she's been in and gave an amazing speech that shamed the other Northern Lords for their actions and to finally declare Jon the King of the North. That one move also under cut Littlefinger's plans to marry Sansa and unite the North in his quest to take the Iron Throne. I'm glad Sansa isn't falling for any of his lies anymore and will be interesting to see what Littlefinger's next strategy and plans will be.
Really looking forward to next season!
RE: Just officially announced there are 13-15 episodes left Â
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
Best news so far. The rumors of 7 or 8 final episodes just didn't give me any confidence at all in doing a proper send off. Too much left to do.
RE: I'm not convinced Jaime won't support Cersei... reluctantly. Â
SOMEONE has to support her for her to be anything more than a speedbump on Daenerys' jaunt through Westeros. The only people that make any sense would be Jaime and/or Littlefinger. Even Littlefinger supporting her is a maaaaassive stretch.
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
Tywin did say she's not as smart as she thinks she is. I would be surprised if the people of King's Landing aren't against her too after she killed a bunch of innocent people. I think Euron joining/marrying her is almost a given.
I think Littlefinger's plan is to continue to concern-troll Sansa, get Jon out of the picture,let Dany et al and Cersei destroy each other, then swoop in late. I think the Sansa-Jon tension was one of the best storylines to come out of the finale.
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Cersei and Mountain
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Maybe there will be a Return of the King-like 10 endings, and we'll see Arya retired to some island somewhere, laughing with Gendry in slow mo.
Lol! Nice....
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poor forgotten bastard.
Maybe there will be a Return of the King-like 10 endings, and we'll see Arya retired to some island somewhere, laughing with Gendry in slow mo.
Between Gendry and Brienne/Pod it clear that no one should ever row a boat in Westeros, or they will never be seen again.
Since that point, more then usual, Cersi has been on this highly destructive path. What did Tommen tell her? Will we ever find out?
No one knows, but IMO the best guess is that Olenna had Joffrey killed. I guess if she meets Tyrion it could come up. Or in another overwrought chat with the Kingslayer.
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poor forgotten bastard.
Maybe there will be a Return of the King-like 10 endings, and we'll see Arya retired to some island somewhere, laughing with Gendry in slow mo.
Between Gendry and Brienne/Pod it clear that no one should ever row a boat in Westeros, or they will never be seen again.
Them Aligators are deadly
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poor forgotten bastard.
Maybe there will be a Return of the King-like 10 endings, and we'll see Arya retired to some island somewhere, laughing with Gendry in slow mo.
Between Gendry and Brienne/Pod it clear that no one should ever row a boat in Westeros, or they will never be seen again.
Them Aligators are deadly
Someone should put up a sign or something.
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poor forgotten bastard.
Maybe there will be a Return of the King-like 10 endings, and we'll see Arya retired to some island somewhere, laughing with Gendry in slow mo.
Between Gendry and Brienne/Pod it clear that no one should ever row a boat in Westeros, or they will never be seen again.
I actually hope that the very last scene of the series is him rowing up to shore in King's Landing sporting giant Popeye-esque guns from years of rowing and wondering what he missed.
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After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
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After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
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After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
Woops. That was Ser Meryn Trant. Pain is still around i think.
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After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
Woops. That was Ser Meryn Trant. Pain is still around i think.
I believe the actor that played Ilyn Payne sadly got cancer. Payne's character was suppose to have more rolls which they moved to other characters since he was battling cancer. The good news is he has beaten cancer after almost dying. Whether we ever see him on GoT though is not known.
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After she killed the Frey's, who else is left alive from her list?
Cersie, The Mountain, Illian Pain?? (Is he still around?), The Red Priestess. I think that's it, although her list was much smaller when she recited it this season.
Arya got him in the brothel. Poked his eyes out and cut his throat.
Illian Pain, that is.
Woops. That was Ser Meryn Trant. Pain is still around i think.
I believe the actor that played Ilyn Payne sadly got cancer. Payne's character was suppose to have more rolls which they moved to other characters since he was battling cancer. The good news is he has beaten cancer after almost dying. Whether we ever see him on GoT though is not known.
I hope that is not considered a spoiler at all. It isn't about the show, but sadly the actor himself. I guess I did mention that he had other minor roles that were moved to other characters so I hope that doesn't cause any grief.
Admittedly, we book readers take a lot for granted. The back-story re. Robert's Rebellion and the Tourney at Harrenhal is ridiculously complicated. To get it at all, non-readers needed to pay very close attention to a few key scenes: two conversations between Baelish and Sansa; one between Jaime and Brienne; one where Jorah and Barristan shared their memories of Rhaegar with Daenerys; and several where Tywin, Tyrion and others tossed out critical information in what might have seemed like throw-away lines.
Dragons are drawn/tiex to individuals although Jon may have warg powers, no? In which case he becomes the Dragon.
Jon's bastard status as a Targ shouldn't be an issue as long as he has the right backing. However, it's possible Jon may not be a Targ bastard anyway. Historically Targs, in addition to being incestuous were also polygamous. See Aegon the conqueror as an example. He was married to his two sisters. Targs obeyed the rules of the Seven faith in recent generations, but people tend observe the rules that suit them at the time in this world. So it's possible if Rhaegar didn't take Lyanna by force, that he took her as a second wife making Jon legit, giving him the best legal claim to the throne. Probably a bit of a stretch but you never know.
Ultimately, I doubt the legal claim will matter. I doubt Dany would show up in Westeros and give up her lifelong quest because she found out she had a nephew with a better claim. I suspect Jon's Targ blood will be mainly relevant to the war of the Living vs. the Dead but who knows.
For those nerdy enough and with the free time, search online for videos produced by HBO to supplement the DVD sets. They offer a detailed history of the world relevant by season. Information that gets a few lines on the show is expanded upon in the supplemental material making things quite a bit easier to follow.
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Up until this morning I thought Rhaegar was the Mad King.
Last week, it took me a half hour to convince two fairly devoted fans of the show that Rhaegar was the Mad King's son. When I mentioned Aerys, they just stared blankly.
Admittedly, we book readers take a lot for granted. The back-story re. Robert's Rebellion and the Tourney at Harrenhal is ridiculously complicated. To get it at all, non-readers needed to pay very close attention to a few key scenes: two conversations between Baelish and Sansa; one between Jaime and Brienne; one where Jorah and Barristan shared their memories of Rhaegar with Daenerys; and several where Tywin, Tyrion and others tossed out critical information in what might have seemed like throw-away lines.
You are correct. Some of those conversations can be hard for a non book reader to process with no background and with GOT having one million characters to try to sort out with weird names. It wasn't until I visited Wikia that I began to process and sort out most of the characters (not all).
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Any reason why Jon doesn't have silver hair? Is the Stark brown hair gene (they make Lyanna have really dark brown hair) the dominant one over the Targaryen silver? Considering all the Targaryen's we know about on the show are silver-haired, it's interesting how Jon has a jet black emo look.
They preserved that look thru inbreeding. So maybe it is a weak gene.
I remember in season one that Ned noticed how all of the Baratheons had black hair and I always wondered if Jon wasn't Robert's son by Lianna. Wouldn't it be possible that she was carrying Robert's baby when she was raped? Just a thought.
Too bad Cersei used up all that green stuff. They're gonna need it.
Too bad Cersei used up all that green stuff. They're gonna need it.
There is more Wildfire the green stuff all over kings landing as Aerys the mad king wanted to burn them all.
But Tyrion knows it and will tell Dani the Unburnt about it.
Cersi Lanister, Ilen Paine The Mountain.
Please be aware of which thread you're in.
Cersi Lanister, Ilen Paine The Mountain.
Arya's slicing of Frey last night was my favorite moment. I'm looking forward to more favorite moments, courtesy of Arya Stark.
The important thing that the show wanted us to take from the Bran flashback scene is the revelation that Jon Snow is not Ned Stark's son.
Whether or not that means that Jon is a Targaeryan is something that I expect will be addressed in more detail at a later point.
How did everyone miss this? - ( New Window )
It's been mentioned a few times. One is linked below.
Link - ( New Window )
I wouldn't say everyone missed it. I think all the fan sites noted the connection to the opening credits. Whether it's significant, or just a cute little Easter Egg, is anyone's guess at this point.
Cersei is the Mad Queen. Jon Snow is the undead White Wolf. Dany is the etc. Varys and Littlefinger are playing the game at another level. Sansa is a certified. Arya is the killer. Winter is here and the Night King is coming.The episodes post-Hodor were meh, otherwise this was the best TV I've seen.
A lot of non-readers missed it, but the show-runners did try to explain the relationship.
More of Barristan gushing about Rhaegar - ( New Window )
A lot of non-readers missed it, but the show-runners did try to explain the relationship. More of Barristan gushing about Rhaegar - ( New Window )
Great scene on a lot of levels.
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 1:56 pm : link : reply
On appearances, the Lannisters should get absolutely steamrolled. They have no defense against what appears to be coming and no allies. Getting Dorne and the Tyrells on their side was underplayed but very, very important.
However, two things to remember; Cersei is officially murderously insane, and she may have more wildfire stored around the city.
Perhaps facing destruction, she would do what the Mad King wanted to as well and scorch the earth even while facing an obvious defeat.
This was the reason, Jamie, became the Kingslayer.....will it make him also the Queenslayer?
Will Arya get to her first?
Will a dragon swoop down and get her?
Will Jon Snow Targaryen avenge his family?
Will Sansa have her revenge?
Or will it be Tyrion?
I hope so. I'm rooting for tons of destruction and a brutal ending. I'd also like to see atleast 1 curveball thrown in before the end of the series.
Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.
and: And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you
Most assumed Margery was the younger more beautiful queen, but I still think Dany. Tyrion will be the valonqar.
Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.
and: And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you
Most assumed Margery was the younger more beautiful queen, but I still think Dany. Tyrion will be the valonqar.
I hope it's Jaime and not Tyrion. Having the dual titles of Kingslayer and Queenslayer is just too damn good for the story.
From David Benioff:
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
Going back to Cersi, never thought she'd take the thrown, never even thought of that. I just thought she was going mad and in survival mode. She got revenge against all her foes and is making the Shame Nun tortured by the Mountain for everything she did to Cersi while help captive. I also like that Cersi forced herself in power and now with Ramsey dead, I like that she's the primary villain in the series that everyone will love to hate. Also now that Cersi is queen, that should open up a political marriage for her to take on a husband that can strengthen her position. Euron Greyjoy is building a 1000 ship fleet and originally wanted Dany's hand in marriage but since his nephew and niece Theon and Yara, got to Dany first. Then this would leave a perfect opening to offer his 1000 ship fleet to Cersi in her hand in marriage. That should make for an amazing sea battle next season with Euron's ship's vs Dany's ships. I'm also interested to see Jamie's reaction to all this after seeing the city burning and hearing his son died. Jamie always loved Cersi more then she did for him, so hopefully this will be a wake up call for Jamie as I really do want to root for him. Will Jamie be forced once again to do what is right by the realm and be a Queenslayer, although I think that right to kill Cersi is reserved for Arya.
Speaking of Arya, great to see her back in Westeros and crossing off the names on her list. She now has the skills to be an elite assassin and will be interested to see what she'll be up too. She still has 3 names on her list with with Cersi, Mountain and Ilyn Payne (the guy who chopped off Ned's head). Also the Hound but since she left him for dead once, not sure if she'll take a second stab at him.
Interesting to see Sam finally reach the Citadel. It's massive library of knowledge that has text dating back 8000 years. I think Sam will play a big role in the final two seasons, as there has to be something written about how to deal with the white walkers. I also think Jorah Mormont is heading to the Citadel, since Dany gave him the order to find a cure and if there is knowledge of a cure for greyscale, it is sure to be at the library. Plus Sam's father, who Sam stole the Valerian steel sword from, knows he's at the Citadel and I feel will head there to kill Sam and take back his sword. Maybe Jorah will rescue Sam from his father and in return Sam will help Jorah find a cure for greyscale from the texts in the Citadel's library.
Tyrion for most of his life, I feel, always wanted to be accepted. Either from his family or anyone in his company that he paid for or bought off to be his friend. Then when he became Hand of the King, he saved Kings Landing on more then one occasion but never got the due credit for any of this actions. So that scene with Dany, was really great to see, as he's finally gotten the acceptance and credit he always wanted when Dany made him the Hand of the Queen. Very nice scene also when Varys secured Dany's Westeros support from both Dorne and Highgarden.
Finally, what a great scene to wrap up the Jon Snow arch for this season when he was declared the King of the North. The young actress who played Lyanna Mormont has really done an great job. She's stolen almost every scene she's been in and gave an amazing speech that shamed the other Northern Lords for their actions and to finally declare Jon the King of the North. That one move also under cut Littlefinger's plans to marry Sansa and unite the North in his quest to take the Iron Throne. I'm glad Sansa isn't falling for any of his lies anymore and will be interesting to see what Littlefinger's next strategy and plans will be.
Really looking forward to next season!
From David Benioff:
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It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
Best news so far. The rumors of 7 or 8 final episodes just didn't give me any confidence at all in doing a proper send off. Too much left to do.
I don't know, maybe I'm making more of it than I should, but it sure does look like Cersei is megafucked at the moment.
Tywin did say she's not as smart as she thinks she is. I would be surprised if the people of King's Landing aren't against her too after she killed a bunch of innocent people. I think Euron joining/marrying her is almost a given.
I think Littlefinger's plan is to continue to concern-troll Sansa, get Jon out of the picture,let Dany et al and Cersei destroy each other, then swoop in late. I think the Sansa-Jon tension was one of the best storylines to come out of the finale.