Sansa takes the North away from Jon with help of Baelish proving Jon is Targ. Howland Reed resurfaces. Jon leaves Sansa on his own.heads South with his small army of Wildings.
Cersi and Euron unit Againist mother of dragons. Including the hell horn which controls dragons.
Sam learns how to defeat the White Walkers Army.
Wall falls after Bran goes though it removing the magic spells.
Arya continues her list even seeing Jon at one point while wearing another's face.
Dani defeats Cersi with Jons help Jon kills Jamie,and Tyrion kills Cersi.
in order to kill time till next season? I love the show, but I think reading the books would kind of be useless at this point....thoughts?
I think it's a completely different experience, so no, it's not too late by any means. You might love the books or hate them. Enjoying the show might not be a good predictor. The books feature a lot of sour beer, hard cheese, bloody flux and aimless wandering. Not to mention a ton of history and folklore that you may not care about.
to provide exposition for why magical things are happening. E.g. like the uncle just explained wall magic. Sam will likely serve in that role during a big battle or three.
in order to kill time till next season? I love the show, but I think reading the books would kind of be useless at this point....thoughts?
I think the books offer a completely different experience. The show does as good a job as you can possibly do, but it still doesn't compare, IMO. Not to mention both the showrunners and Martin confirming the story's ending and how they get there will be different, it makes it a must read for me.
I have an interesting theory / suspicion that I thought I'd let the people weigh in on - Brexit style.
I think Varys was in on the Sept of Baelor bombing in that he either knew it was coming or even possibly helped move it along stealthily.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
is the ultimate wildcard. It used to be him and Littlefinger but the showrunners neutered Littlefinger. I can see that theory being accurate, something is up Varys' sleeve and someone will absolutely have a final backstab moment to shake up the landscape, especially now that there going to be atleast another full season.
I've been suspicious of Varys ever since Tyrion said Â
he was the only one he could trust (or something close to that). Perhaps I'm jaded by early seasons when the general rule of Varys was "you can't trust him", but that has stuck with me over the last few episodes. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Varys does burn Tyrion/Dany somehow.
I think Varys was in on the Sept of Baelor bombing in that he either knew it was coming or even possibly helped move it along stealthily.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I think it's a stretch to say Varys would let the Sept bombing go just to further his own agenda. (It's not a stretch to say he knew in advance, but probably wasn't in a position to do anything about it, like Ned Stark's incarceration.) Besides, if Olenna Tyrell was somehow able to get her grandchildren out of King's Landing, she wouldn't need much convincing to join forces with the anti-Lannister group. Varys has two goals, stability of the kingdom and staying alive. He hasn't been shown to be as unscrupulous as Littlefinger.
RE: Just officially announced there are 13-15 episodes left Â
It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
I wonder how they will split up both seasons. I hope season 7 is at least eight episodes long and season 8 has the remaining five, with the finale being a 2 hour event.
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I'm here all week, folks. Get home safe.
I think Cersei knew the Sparrow would pull the trial by combat option out from under her. That's why she looked into the wildfire in the first place.
that Varys is directly over Dany's shoulder during the very final scene imo. I have no idea if he has something up his sleeve, but his character had a big couple of episodes to end this season.
Under the Targaryens and Baratheons, the Citadel and the Faith have been progressively co-opted and corrupted by the Crown. (I'll leave it at that to steer clear of book spoilers.) Pycelle embodied that corruption. If somebody like Aemon were Grand Maester, maybe the Citadel would have done something useful the past six years as Westeros was ravaged by war and an even bigger menace rose in the North.
Then again, compared to Qyburn, Pycelle was a paragon of moral rectitude - except that Qyburn has a much stronger work ethic.
Cersei gets a fleet for the Second Battle of The Blackwater.
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
RE: RE: Not sure what Euron or Cersei would want from each other. Â
Cersei gets a fleet for the Second Battle of The Blackwater.
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
He wants the Dragons. Cersei has nothing to offer him, except the throne, but even that he could probably take without her help.
Conversely, she doesn't need his fleet to guard the Blackwater, there's aleady a royal fleet. And she is not taking a new husband.
Cersei and Euron vs Daenerys, Dorne, and the old Iron Fleet?
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Stark vs Littlefinger with the Whitewalkers playing spoilers?
Pretty much, except add the Reach to Team Dany. Cersei may have smoked House Tyrell and the Faith Militant in the West Regional, but the Highgarden army is largely intact. As if the East Region Champs weren't imposing enough already, Dragongirl just added thousands of Tyrell soldiers, without the dead weight of that buffoon Mace.
And of course, Euron + Cersei is just a guess at this point.
Having a work debate but now in the story-line, is Jon a Stark, since he was declared the King of the North. Or is he still considered a Snow?
Several co-workers are saying once all the Lords in the North declared Jon as their King, then Jon automatically became officially recognized as a Stark and is not a Snow anymore.
Personally, I still think he is a Snow and only the King (Queen) regent at Kings Landing can officially declare Jon to be a legitimate Stark or not.
Cersi and Euron unit Againist mother of dragons. Including the hell horn which controls dragons.
Sam learns how to defeat the White Walkers Army.
Wall falls after Bran goes though it removing the magic spells.
Arya continues her list even seeing Jon at one point while wearing another's face.
Dani defeats Cersi with Jons help Jon kills Jamie,and Tyrion kills Cersi.
I think it's a completely different experience, so no, it's not too late by any means. You might love the books or hate them. Enjoying the show might not be a good predictor. The books feature a lot of sour beer, hard cheese, bloody flux and aimless wandering. Not to mention a ton of history and folklore that you may not care about.
It is not. Gives a lot more detail. I read the first one after 3 or 4 seasons. Plan on reading the rest before the series ends. Time permitting.
I think the books offer a completely different experience. The show does as good a job as you can possibly do, but it still doesn't compare, IMO. Not to mention both the showrunners and Martin confirming the story's ending and how they get there will be different, it makes it a must read for me.
I think Varys was in on the Sept of Baelor bombing in that he either knew it was coming or even possibly helped move it along stealthily.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
The timing of his departure for Dorne to meet with Elaria - and Olenna - is highly suspect. He leaves Meereen to build a Westerosi coalition to support Daenerys and just happens to arrive in Dorne when Olenna is vulnerable and desperate for revenge against the Lannisters.
The bombing was done with help from Qyburn's little birds. I believe they're actually still Varys's little birds. I believe they tipped Varys off regarding Qyburn and Cersei's plans and decided to use it to his advantage. So he sat on the info, allowed it to happen and made sure he was in Dorne at the same time as a distraught and vengeful Olenna to recruit her to his cause. This is totally a Varys move.
Further, I think Tyrion may figure this out and kill Varys.
You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I'm here all week, folks. Get home safe.
From David Benioff:
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It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now.
I wonder how they will split up both seasons. I hope season 7 is at least eight episodes long and season 8 has the remaining five, with the finale being a 2 hour event.
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You have a lot of clever stuff there - maybe too clever for the show. The main practical objection is that blowing up the Sept was Cersei's Plan B. Plan A was Trial by Combat featuring Frankenmountain. For your theory to hold, Varys would have needed a pretty strong suspicion that Plan A would fall through. (Not impossible for a Spider of Varys's skills, but still...) By the time Cersei shifted to Plan B, she only had a couple of days to set it in motion.
So, who else is shipping Euron and Cersei? Get it? SHIPping?
I'm here all week, folks. Get home safe.
I think Cersei knew the Sparrow would pull the trial by combat option out from under her. That's why she looked into the wildfire in the first place.
Then again, compared to Qyburn, Pycelle was a paragon of moral rectitude - except that Qyburn has a much stronger work ethic.
While
Stark vs Littlefinger with the Whitewalkers playing spoilers?
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
Quote:
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Cersei gets a fleet for the Second Battle of The Blackwater.
Euron gets to sit the Iron Throne for about twenty minutes, until he either:
a) Gets incinerated by dragonfire;
or (much less likely)
b) Vanquishes Cersei's enemies, whereupon she poisons him.
He wants the Dragons. Cersei has nothing to offer him, except the throne, but even that he could probably take without her help.
Conversely, she doesn't need his fleet to guard the Blackwater, there's aleady a royal fleet. And she is not taking a new husband.
While
Stark vs Littlefinger with the Whitewalkers playing spoilers?
Pretty much, except add the Reach to Team Dany. Cersei may have smoked House Tyrell and the Faith Militant in the West Regional, but the Highgarden army is largely intact. As if the East Region Champs weren't imposing enough already, Dragongirl just added thousands of Tyrell soldiers, without the dead weight of that buffoon Mace.
And of course, Euron + Cersei is just a guess at this point.
If it comes to that, I'm all in on the Night's King.
(Robert is his name in the books. Take THAT, spoiler-phobes!)
Haha, this was definitely much needed, I mean the fading from baby Jon into adult Jon on the finale wasn't a dead giveaway or anything...
Several co-workers are saying once all the Lords in the North declared Jon as their King, then Jon automatically became officially recognized as a Stark and is not a Snow anymore.
Personally, I still think he is a Snow and only the King (Queen) regent at Kings Landing can officially declare Jon to be a legitimate Stark or not.
Aegon Targaryen.