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NFT: Knicks Chat 6/27/2016- Durant "more interested" with Rose?

DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 9:49 am
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Oklahoma Citys Kevin Durant is the top free agent on the market, and has been in New York since last week, declining multiple interview requests by The Post on Sunday. And while the Knicks havent yet landed a sit-down with Durant and are believed to be long shots at best to sign him this summer, a recent report claims that they have at least given themselves an opportunity to sign the star.

While the Oklahoman had recently broken down the contenders for Durants services and didnt even put the Knicks on the list ranking them behind the delusional pipe-dreamers category USA Today reported Saturday night that the deal for Derrick Rose and development of Kristaps Porzingis have led to Durant seeing the Knicks in a more favorable light.
http://nypost.com/2016/06/26/kevin-durant-rethinking-knicks-after-derrick-rose-trade-report/

On the other hand the Knicks have NOT been granted a meeting yet per Ian Begley

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer


No meeting has been scheduled - or agreed to - between the Knicks and Kevin Durant at this point, sources say. The Knicks are optimistic that they'll ultimately get consideration from Durant but they were not among the initial group of teams with whom Durant agreed to meet. The Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder are the first known teams to secure a meeting with Durant, according to ESPN's Marc Stein. Durant's ties to the Knicks include his strong relationship with Carmelo Anthony and the relationship between his agent, Rich Kleiman of Roc Nation Sports, and Knicks GM Steve Mills. Still, given that New York is not among the first group of teams with whom Durant has agreed to meet, it seems as if the club faces long odds to sign him.

-Durant's camp has confirmed 6 meetings so far

-Grizzlies claim Wroten
-Knicks add Summers to Summer League squad
-Knicks add Tokoto to Summer League Squad (he reminds me Shumpert, don't count him out making the roster).
- Knicks interested in Crawford (and he in them)

-Kyler says we rank our center options as Noah #1 and Howard #2, would be "surprised" if the Knicks don't sign one of them. At this point I'd be shocked if Noah isn't a Knick.

-Tommy Dee claims we are interested in Parsons and Gerald Green
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RE: Deej  
Deej : 6/27/2016 2:43 pm : link
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that is also his listed weight for his French team.

Louis Labeyrie PF 6-10 200 23 Gonesse 2014 Rnd 2 Pick 27 France


That's my point. It's probably his 2015-16 pre-season weight per his French team. Could be more or less now.
RE: Moore  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 2:46 pm : link
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loves this guy as a potential steal. Kind of scary given the obvious KOQ parallels Link - ( New Window )


Always thought of him more of a SF that plays stretch 4. He reminds me more of Tobias Harris than KOQ
RE: RE: Moore  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 2:48 pm : link
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loves this guy as a potential steal. Kind of scary given the obvious KOQ parallels Link - ( New Window )



Always thought of him more of a SF that plays stretch 4. He reminds me more of Tobias Harris than KOQ


I'm talking about an Orlando RFA who produced in limits minutes that you would be paying X to with the hope he could give you the same production with a larger role. I bet even the money is similar.
Some  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 2:52 pm : link
like Tyler Johnson on here, apparently the max you can offer on a sheet is 2 years
RE: Melo just confirmed what we all knew  
arcarsenal : 6/27/2016 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13011317 nygiants16 said:
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That he and kd have been hanging out and they have been talking about teaming up


For Team USA, yes. The Knicks? Doubt it.
Moore  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 2:53 pm : link
like E'Twaun Moore as a potential value
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Guys worth watching, IMO:  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 2:56 pm : link
Cleanthony Early
Ron Baker
J.P. Tokoto
Chasson Randle (because Dan likes him)
Louis Labeyrie
Marvelle Harris
RE: Guys worth watching, IMO:  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 2:57 pm : link
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Cleanthony Early
Ron Baker
J.P. Tokoto
Chasson Randle (because Dan likes him)
Louis Labeyrie
Marvelle Harris


It's not that I especially "like" him. I just think he was a high level college scorer that that almost made the warriors which leads me to believe he'd have a legit shot making our roster.
Diabate  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 2:58 pm : link
sure can dunk for 6'0
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RE: RE: Melo just confirmed what we all knew  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:00 pm : link
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That he and kd have been hanging out and they have been talking about teaming up



For Team USA, yes. The Knicks? Doubt it.


Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Carmelo Anthony told @ESPNSteinLine that he's recruiting Kevin Durant. Sources tell me he's been pitching NY to a few other players too.
Clarkson  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 3:01 pm : link
and Fournier both sound very unrealistic
RE: RE: RE: Melo just confirmed what we all knew  
arcarsenal : 6/27/2016 3:03 pm : link
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That he and kd have been hanging out and they have been talking about teaming up



For Team USA, yes. The Knicks? Doubt it.



Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Carmelo Anthony told @ESPNSteinLine that he's recruiting Kevin Durant. Sources tell me he's been pitching NY to a few other players too.


We've heard this before. Who has Melo actually "recruited" that has come to the Knicks?
Melo's been recruiting people since he got here.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 3:07 pm : link
Nothing new here. Does he get credit for Afflalo since they played together? I guess they were friends.
For years I've wanted Mayo on the Knicks.  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 3:09 pm : link
Might be a cheap alternative to Jamal, if we land a bigger fish than expected.
Brett Brown  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 3:10 pm : link
A trade that should still go down before the regular season begins. Via Andrew Porter:

I would be surprised, [if we started the season with our current crop of big men] ... I talk freely always with my players. This is something that in a different world maybe its awkward. It isnt because its true, its real, its part of pro sport. Sometimes for the players too, like they have to understand that maybe its best for them too. And so, all over the place instead of sort of hiding from this kind of what could be the elephant in the room or an awkward moment I dont like doing that. I speak freely with my guys about it.

Its just we understand the positional balance of our roster needs to rule the day. We have to find a balanced team.
RE: RE: Paul George is a better offer site player than melo?  
Lopes1984 : 6/27/2016 3:14 pm : link
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I would take Paul George over Melo but lets not complete disrespect melo



I'd say Melo picks his spots better than George did this last season. But George carried a huge offensive load. George gets a lot more space on his jumpers due to his athleticism and I think he's one of the 10 best shooters in the game right now. Melo also struggled mightily at the rim and I don't know if he can get back to his old self in the regard at this age.

Not disrespecting Melo at all. I just don't think PG gets the credit he deserves coming back right away and leading a bunch of decent role players to the playoffs.

I might be higher than George than most but I don't think it's crazy to suggest swapping PG onto the Spurs for kawhi and SA still winning 65 games or so.


On what planet is Paul George one of the 10 best shooters in the game? Are we just making things up now to advance our arguments?....He shot 41.9% from the field last year, and 37% from 3 which are respectable, but come on. As a comparison because those are the two players in the conversation, Carmelo shot better overall at 43.4% but had a down year from behind the arc so George was better there.

George shot 56.2% less than 8ft from the hoop, 35.5% from 8-16ft, and 39.7% from 16-24ft.

Anthony shot 49.9% from less than 8ft., 43.3% from 8-16ft, and 45.6% from 16-24ft.

So basically George is really good at the rim/in the paint and shoots under 40% everywhere else on the court.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Melo just confirmed what we all knew  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 3:16 pm : link
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That he and kd have been hanging out and they have been talking about teaming up



For Team USA, yes. The Knicks? Doubt it.



Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Carmelo Anthony told @ESPNSteinLine that he's recruiting Kevin Durant. Sources tell me he's been pitching NY to a few other players too.



We've heard this before. Who has Melo actually "recruited" that has come to the Knicks?


Well the knicks have had cap room twice since Melo has been here the first time they signed chandler who was the best center on the market and he took less...

Last year by all accounts Aldridge was very interested even talked about getting a 3rd guy but then Phil said he wanted Aldridge to play center...

So really how much opportunity has he had to recruit?

On a smaller scale he got kidd and Kenyon martin
RE: Guys worth watching, IMO:  
Del Shofner : 6/27/2016 3:19 pm : link
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Cleanthony Early
Ron Baker
J.P. Tokoto
Chasson Randle (because Dan likes him)
Louis Labeyrie
Marvelle Harris


plus this 29-year-old dude:

14 Souleyman Diabate G 6-0 165 Jul. 21, 1987 Ivory Coast SPO Rouen/France R
Giantsfan  
Tuckrule : 6/27/2016 3:26 pm : link
Calling melo a third wheel on a championship team is a joke. I'm not diminishing defense at all I know it's a big part. Melo has shown when it counts he's a good defender. Yes, night in and night out he's more concerned about his offensive game. To act like PG is a better shooter is also a funny comment. I don't think you have actually seen PG play that much because his shooting isn't consistent. He gets to the rim because he's uber athletic and long but Melo is a knockdown shooter and that doesn't go away. Has melo declined around the rim? sure he has but his shot hasn't declined. When in rhythm he knocks down that shot off the dribble at a very high clip. I argued one thing and one thing only. You called melo a 2nd tier player and that isn't true. He can be the best player on a championship team. Look at lebron. He had wade and bosh. Then he goes to Cleveland and had kyrie. Give melo wade and bosh in their prime and he wins a ring as the best player on the court. Yoir very critical of melo while giving the ultimate praise to PG.
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2016 3:33 pm : link
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That he and kd have been hanging out and they have been talking about teaming up



For Team USA, yes. The Knicks? Doubt it.



Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Carmelo Anthony told @ESPNSteinLine that he's recruiting Kevin Durant. Sources tell me he's been pitching NY to a few other players too.



We've heard this before. Who has Melo actually "recruited" that has come to the Knicks?



Well the knicks have had cap room twice since Melo has been here the first time they signed chandler who was the best center on the market and he took less...

Last year by all accounts Aldridge was very interested even talked about getting a 3rd guy but then Phil said he wanted Aldridge to play center...

So really how much opportunity has he had to recruit?

On a smaller scale he got kidd and Kenyon martin


Meh, I question how much Melo really had to do with the Chandler S/T. Almost getting Aldridge but not getting him as well as Kidd at the very end of his career and a bench player in KMart who was also at the end of his career aren't really things to write home about, either.

I guess I just don't look at Melo as some big lure for other players at this point. It can't hurt that he's talking to KD and I'm sure he's pitching as best as he can but I doubt he's got a strong enough sell to actually make it happen.
I don't think either one is all that different as a shooter.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 3:35 pm : link
.549 TS% to .545 TS%

One thing I'll say, Melo's numbers, especially from 3, have taken a hit since they moved to the Triangle. Since 2013, he's been pretty bad from 3.
This  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 3:45 pm : link
is awesome

Wow imagine how crazy you would go as a kid and had this happen https://vine.co/v/5uUAhXhzqw0
RE: This  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:48 pm : link
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is awesome

Wow imagine how crazy you would go as a kid and had this happen https://vine.co/v/5uUAhXhzqw0


Hope this kids recruited Durant hard :P
Anak  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2016 3:56 pm : link
I'll be keeping my eye on Akil Mitchell, of course. Still don't know why they're bothering with Fredo Plumlee, even if it's just summer league.
.  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 3:59 pm : link
Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
'I don't know. We'll see after I leave here' Durant on if he will meet with Knicks
RE: Giantsfan  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13011472 Tuckrule said:
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Calling melo a third wheel on a championship team is a joke. I'm not diminishing defense at all I know it's a big part. Melo has shown when it counts he's a good defender. Yes, night in and night out he's more concerned about his offensive game. To act like PG is a better shooter is also a funny comment. I don't think you have actually seen PG play that much because his shooting isn't consistent. He gets to the rim because he's uber athletic and long but Melo is a knockdown shooter and that doesn't go away. Has melo declined around the rim? sure he has but his shot hasn't declined. When in rhythm he knocks down that shot off the dribble at a very high clip. I argued one thing and one thing only. You called melo a 2nd tier player and that isn't true. He can be the best player on a championship team. Look at lebron. He had wade and bosh. Then he goes to Cleveland and had kyrie. Give melo wade and bosh in their prime and he wins a ring as the best player on the court. Yoir very critical of melo while giving the ultimate praise to PG.


I'm not critical of Melo. He wasn't good enough in his prime to even get to the finals. Now he's magically able to win one against OKC, Cleveland, GS or SA as the best player? I don't think a single person, even on this thread, would agree with that statement. When it comes down to it, he will have to guard the Lebron's, Durant's and Kawhi's of the world. And he will face those guys every offensive play. I'm not sure he's capable of that. He'd be the 3rd wheel in Cleveland, GS and OKC. I'd take him over Aldridge in a vacuum but I'm not sure about the long term.

The Knicks roster has been bad the last two years, but Lebron has taken worse rosters than this past years Knicks rosters deep into the playoffs. Melo couldn't even break .500. Let's not get carried away.

PG took his team to the playoffs at least. Sure, I think the pacers roster was a bit better. But not 13 games better. I mean, KP and RoLo was better than Turner and mahinimi for sure. Afflalo vs Ellis is a wash. They did at least have a true point guard but even George Hill isn't a +13 win player over Calderon.

To think Melo could lead a team to the finals now is what one would consider a dream. He couldn't do it when he was a 30 point scorer he's not even close to that player now.
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Jon in NYC : 6/27/2016 4:01 pm : link
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Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria
'I don't know. We'll see after I leave here' Durant on if he will meet with Knicks


That's a no.
Sounds like KD can't wait to don the orange and blue!  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 4:04 pm : link
Ok, so which shooting guard and backup point guard are joining Noah on the Knicks next year? I'll say Courtney Lee and DJ Augustin.
If - I said if to be kind  
hitdog42 : 6/27/2016 4:07 pm : link
The Knicks don't get Durant.... What is the point in locking up big money in Noah?
Would seem silly to me-
RE: If - I said if to be kind  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2016 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13011546 hitdog42 said:
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The Knicks don't get Durant.... What is the point in locking up big money in Noah?
Would seem silly to me-


We need a center, he's good, and Noah + Rose probably makes NYK a playoff team.
RE: If - I said if to be kind  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 4:12 pm : link
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The Knicks don't get Durant.... What is the point in locking up big money in Noah?
Would seem silly to me-


As a Knicks fan, I'd be happy to roll most of the cap space over to next offseason, but that's just not their way. They spent every penny last offseason and will likely do so again. Noah seems like the best reasonably-attainable player for them, though if his price gets north of $15 million I'd rather just try to buy Horford or - gasp! - Howard. Might as well pay for quality.
I'd bet  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2016 4:14 pm : link
that Howard ends up in Dallas.
Just adding more context to the above Durant quote...  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 4:16 pm : link
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Chris Herring

@HerringWSJ

Durant acknowledged that Knicks have a formidable top-3, w Rose in tow, but said he wouldn't get into what teams he's meeting with.


Sounds like he's avoiding all free agency questions.
RE: Sounds like KD can't wait to don the orange and blue!  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 4:19 pm : link
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Ok, so which shooting guard and backup point guard are joining Noah on the Knicks next year? I'll say Courtney Lee and DJ Augustin.


I like Augustin. I'm hoping Lee is a bargain but he hasn't gotten a big contract yet. The first two years of his next deal will more than likely double his career earnings. If he's getting double digits a year I would honestly want to pay up a bit more to get Bazemore. I like Lee's role as a 3 and D, two things he does tremendously well, but he gives little outside that. When Batum went down in the playoffs, Lee didn't step up all that well.

I'd gladly welcome Lee but I think there's more potential I'm Bazemore. Even though he's 26 I don't think he's fully developed. He's a better slasher, rebounder and passer. He's probably not as strong on defense and he's certainly not as good of a spot up shooter as Lee but I like him as a guy who you can stagger off the bench to give you a scoring punch.
The big mistake would be giving a big money LONG term contract  
Coach Mason : 6/27/2016 4:20 pm : link
To any non star player. Ideally to win a championship nowadays , you need almost all your cap tied to 3 stars and a bunch of role players taking up the remaining smaller portion.

Thats the problem with this FA so many players not worth a max contract or even a big money comtract who are going to get them.

If a championship is the goal and we are going to go for a big money contract outside of Durant it ideally needs to be a 1+1 type deal.

You get lucky if you have a player who is already a star or close on a rookie contract. We have one in Porzingus.

Unless of course the Knicks feel we CAN contend right now with Melo,Rose and KP with the right supporting cast. We can resign Rose next year and go over the cap to do so we essentially frees up another 22 million (+ the cap increase in 2017).

He said the same thing about every team  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 4:20 pm : link
He didn't want to talk about free agency
RE: I'd bet  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 4:21 pm : link
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that Howard ends up in Dallas.


Yeah I see that too. But if Dirk dips all bets are off. Kinda wanna see Anthony Davis paired with Howard or Whiteside.
This was his quote about the knicks  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 4:23 pm : link
"Obviously they have a good team now with rose, they have a good top3, I have to talk to my team and figure things out"
RE: The big mistake would be giving a big money LONG term contract  
Sgrcts : 6/27/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13011585 Coach Mason said:
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To any non star player. Ideally to win a championship nowadays , you need almost all your cap tied to 3 stars and a bunch of role players taking up the remaining smaller portion.

Thats the problem with this FA so many players not worth a max contract or even a big money comtract who are going to get them.

If a championship is the goal and we are going to go for a big money contract outside of Durant it ideally needs to be a 1+1 type deal.

You get lucky if you have a player who is already a star or close on a rookie contract. We have one in Porzingus.

Unless of course the Knicks feel we CAN contend right now with Melo,Rose and KP with the right supporting cast. We can resign Rose next year and go over the cap to do so we essentially frees up another 22 million (+ the cap increase in 2017).


Not true- Rose would have a 30 million dollar cap hold before you sign him or you'd renounce his rights and not be able to go over the cap to sign him at all.
Unconfirmed Sources:  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/27/2016 4:42 pm : link
Kevin Durant is a HUGE fan of JD and The Straight Shot.

Still waiting on my sources.

Why 30million?  
Coach Mason : 6/27/2016 4:43 pm : link
His salary is 20million this year
RE: Why 30million?  
Deej : 6/27/2016 4:48 pm : link
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His salary is 20million this year
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Hold is 150% of prior season salary
RE: RE: If - I said if to be kind  
Stu11 : 6/27/2016 9:20 pm : link
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As a Knicks fan, I'd be happy to roll most of the cap space over to next offseason, but that's just not their way. They spent every penny last offseason and will likely do so again. Noah seems like the best reasonably-attainable player for them, though if his price gets north of $15 million I'd rather just try to buy Horford or - gasp! - Howard. Might as well pay for quality.

At some point this team needs to compete. What are you "rolling the money over" for? So we can win another 30 games this year and then the next crop of free agents can laugh at us next year? This franchise has to get back on the NBA radar and that means competing for a playoff spot. I'm not saying ruin the cap for next year, definitely maintain a max slot, but this concept of sitting things out and waiting for some superstar to come be our savior will not work until the organization proves itself competitive.
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bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 9:55 pm : link
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At some point this team needs to compete. What are you "rolling the money over" for? So we can win another 30 games this year and then the next crop of free agents can laugh at us next year? This franchise has to get back on the NBA radar and that means competing for a playoff spot. I'm not saying ruin the cap for next year, definitely maintain a max slot, but this concept of sitting things out and waiting for some superstar to come be our savior will not work until the organization proves itself competitive.


All fair points - I just don't want to sign crappy free agents in an attempt to grab the eighth seed in a shitty conference, especially when we have a full slate of first rounders going forward. As you said, keeping a max slot open next year is of utmost importance either way.
yea I'm a little dubious on Noah too  
Stu11 : 6/27/2016 10:07 pm : link
especially if its 4 years north of 13-15 mill. He's always hurt. I agree with you BC if it gets that pricey for him I'd rather go with Horford. Though its near impossible to fit a guy like Horford and the backcourt help they need.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:34 pm : link
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At some point this team needs to compete. What are you "rolling the money over" for? So we can win another 30 games this year and then the next crop of free agents can laugh at us next year? This franchise has to get back on the NBA radar and that means competing for a playoff spot. I'm not saying ruin the cap for next year, definitely maintain a max slot, but this concept of sitting things out and waiting for some superstar to come be our savior will not work until the organization proves itself competitive.



All fair points - I just don't want to sign crappy free agents in an attempt to grab the eighth seed in a shitty conference, especially when we have a full slate of first rounders going forward. As you said, keeping a max slot open next year is of utmost importance either way.


Although there will be suitors for Bazemore, Lee, and Noah, I think they will be bargains compared to the flashier players available at their respective positions. I have no basis on these projections other than gut feeling but I think Noah will receive a similar contract to what RoLo received last year, maybe a tad more. I think Lee will be in the $10-13M a year range and Bazemore in the $13-17M a year range. If they can get Noah at $14-16M a year and one of the SGs at those prices, they'll have 2 starters at around 25% of next year's salary cap. That would be a huge win.

If that happens in the offseason, I will come around completely on the Rose trade and consider it a win (well, at least a win in terms of trying to build through the FA route). If you can get a few years of 2015 Noah that may be one of the best deals in the league. 2014 Noah? That may be a stretch, but one can hope.

Depending on what bargain deals we can land in FA to fill out the bench I think we can be looking at a 45-50 win team (assuming Melo, Rose and Noah play 80% of the games). KOQ may be forced into more action than anticipated but I think he will payoff as our 3rd big. Get someone like Augustin or Vasquez on a cheap or short term deal. Re-sign Galloway and Thomas (if possible). Bring in WH to take a few minutes at the backup C spot each night.

That may be a fairly optimistic offseason, but we could be looking at a top 5 seed if something along those lines happens. Might be a bit too early to say. A lot depends on FA for the eastern conference. No shit I guess.

But I think Charlotte overachieved and will lose some Players to FA. I think they miss the playoffs. Atlanta could free fall. They lost Teague, and could lose Bazemore as well. If Horford leaves they may be out of the playoffs.

Big offseason for Maimi. A lot can go wrong with them, don't see much upside. If they go all in for KD they can lose Whiteside. If they bring back Whiteside I don't see how they make any improvements unless Chris Bosh retires, which I doubt he will in 2 weeks. They may lose Joe Johnson and Gerlad Green as well. Same goes for Toronto. They will lose Bismack who shored up their defense pretty well. If Derozan leaves it's game over for them.

I see Detroit and Indy both going up, but not sure how much. Detroit is very young and can make a big leap within the next few years, but this year they don't have much cap space. The Harris trade was essentially their offseason acquisition. Indy has cap space, but I can only see them getting better.

Boston and Cleveland are the only two teams I'd feel comfortable betting gets a top 4 seed right now. Boston can make major moves. It be hard not seeing them improve their frontcourt. Throw in Toronto if Derozan stays but I don't think they will get 56 wins again.

Milwaukee is the only threat I see out of the eastern lottery teams. I think they overachieved two years ago and underachieved last year. A major jump could be in the cards for them. We'll see.

I'm becoming optimistic that we could have home court advantage come next March.

RE: yea I'm a little dubious on Noah too  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13011932 Stu11 said:
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especially if its 4 years north of 13-15 mill. He's always hurt. I agree with you BC if it gets that pricey for him I'd rather go with Horford. Though its near impossible to fit a guy like Horford and the backcourt help they need.


Don't think we have much of a shot at Horford because whoever strikes out with KD will turn to Horford (or OKC might be able to get KD AND Horford which would be insane).

And I agree with Noah. ButI'm not sure if the shoulder is a recurring problem to be concerned about. Don't have enough knowledge on that though. But that's what I'm hoping he costs.
I'm a fan of both Noah and Bazemore.  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 10:48 pm : link
They are defensive-minded, fiery competitors who will bring an attitude to this team that's been sorely lacking. If they can be signed those prices -around $30 million or so combined - it'd be a nice haul. Like Lopez, Bazemore is a guy who could easily be moved later on if money is needed for a bigger signing. I just wish I had a little more faith in this organization.
RE: I'm a fan of both Noah and Bazemore.  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13011953 bceagle05 said:
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They are defensive-minded, fiery competitors who will bring an attitude to this team that's been sorely lacking. If they can be signed those prices -around $30 million or so combined - it'd be a nice haul. Like Lopez, Bazemore is a guy who could easily be moved later on if money is needed for a bigger signing. I just wish I had a little more faith in this organization.


Noah seems like he's there for the taking, just a matter if another team really wants to outbid us. I doubt Washington drops $60 mil for a backup center. Minnesota is the only other competitor for him I'm worried about. $60M is a lot for a vocal leader. Ideally towns is your center, and they have Dieng who is a more than serviceable starter too.

Bazemore is a bit trickier, it comes down to how much Atlanta is willing to pay to retain him. There's also Lee if Bazemore doesn't work out.
The only chance NY has of landing Durant  
Vanzetti : 6/28/2016 2:07 am : link
is Phil.

Durant sees the 11 championship rings and buys into what Phil is selling. Nobody bought into it last summer but the addition of KP and Rose makes Phil's job a little easier this season.

Still a big longshot but not out of the realm of possibility.
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