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NFT: Knicks Chat 6/27/2016- Durant "more interested" with Rose?

DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 9:49 am
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Oklahoma Citys Kevin Durant is the top free agent on the market, and has been in New York since last week, declining multiple interview requests by The Post on Sunday. And while the Knicks havent yet landed a sit-down with Durant and are believed to be long shots at best to sign him this summer, a recent report claims that they have at least given themselves an opportunity to sign the star.

While the Oklahoman had recently broken down the contenders for Durants services and didnt even put the Knicks on the list ranking them behind the delusional pipe-dreamers category USA Today reported Saturday night that the deal for Derrick Rose and development of Kristaps Porzingis have led to Durant seeing the Knicks in a more favorable light.
http://nypost.com/2016/06/26/kevin-durant-rethinking-knicks-after-derrick-rose-trade-report/

On the other hand the Knicks have NOT been granted a meeting yet per Ian Begley

Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer


No meeting has been scheduled - or agreed to - between the Knicks and Kevin Durant at this point, sources say. The Knicks are optimistic that they'll ultimately get consideration from Durant but they were not among the initial group of teams with whom Durant agreed to meet. The Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder are the first known teams to secure a meeting with Durant, according to ESPN's Marc Stein. Durant's ties to the Knicks include his strong relationship with Carmelo Anthony and the relationship between his agent, Rich Kleiman of Roc Nation Sports, and Knicks GM Steve Mills. Still, given that New York is not among the first group of teams with whom Durant has agreed to meet, it seems as if the club faces long odds to sign him.

-Durant's camp has confirmed 6 meetings so far

-Grizzlies claim Wroten
-Knicks add Summers to Summer League squad
-Knicks add Tokoto to Summer League Squad (he reminds me Shumpert, don't count him out making the roster).
- Knicks interested in Crawford (and he in them)

-Kyler says we rank our center options as Noah #1 and Howard #2, would be "surprised" if the Knicks don't sign one of them. At this point I'd be shocked if Noah isn't a Knick.

-Tommy Dee claims we are interested in Parsons and Gerald Green
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bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 9:59 am : link
Tommy Dee!  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 9:59 am : link
ARGH!
Huge no  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/27/2016 10:00 am : link
To Parsons
Agree  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:03 am : link
massive no on Parsons. Injury prone, terrible fit with Melo/KP and looking for max money. Massive pass from me.
I'm expecting Noah at this point.  
bceagle05 : 6/27/2016 10:04 am : link
I hope it's three years instead of four, but I have my doubts.
Anyone find it weird  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:09 am : link
That Lakers, Houston and Washington are ruled out

Then the 6 teams that got the meeting

And somehow the knicks are the team stuck in limbo? Seems a little unfair to the knicks to be basically unsure of what to do, do they wait? Do they just say screw it and move on? Seems weird that they can't get a definitive answer
Green's best season was under Hornacek  
Heisenberg : 6/27/2016 10:11 am : link
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RE: Anyone find it weird  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:13 am : link
In comment 13010613 nygiants16 said:
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That Lakers, Houston and Washington are ruled out

Then the 6 teams that got the meeting

And somehow the knicks are the team stuck in limbo? Seems a little unfair to the knicks to be basically unsure of what to do, do they wait? Do they just say screw it and move on? Seems weird that they can't get a definitive answer


My guess is despite fans viewing it was "yes or no", that Durant's camp will/is giving the Knicks a clearer indication of whether a meeting is worth having or not. I'm sure if Melo asked his friend "hey can you just meet with us" he would but there is no "point" to meeting unless he's actually going to consider the Knicks. There is only so much ass kissing the Knicks can do. The roster is X, the pick situation is Y, this is the vision, this is the advantage of NYC and either that is enough to make him think "hmmm yeah maybe" or it's not. I will say if the Knicks don't get a meeting it's a clear knock against the idea Phil's rings = foot in the door with the guys we want.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:15 am : link
like Green but are we just going to target all older players? Noah 32 next season, Green 31. Both would presumably get 3-4 years if they are coming here. I'd like to see some more inspired/younger targets.
Unless you're telling me he's going to GS  
Chris684 : 6/27/2016 10:24 am : link
The West is infinitely more challenging.

Melo-Durant-KP plus the potential of Rose even getting close to the high point of his career again seems pretty intriguing in the East if you ask me.

A few other smart moves this year and it would be difficult to imagine that team not walking to the East finals.
RE: Unless you're telling me he's going to GS  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 13010653 Chris684 said:
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The West is infinitely more challenging.

Melo-Durant-KP plus the potential of Rose even getting close to the high point of his career again seems pretty intriguing in the East if you ask me.

A few other smart moves this year and it would be difficult to imagine that team not walking to the East finals.


But you still need to play a WC team to win it all. Outside GS they had no trouble in the west. And they were up 3-1 against GS. And now they made improvements already going into next season and can still make another splash if they can move Kanter.
Probably the most attractive thing about the Knicks is that they are  
Heisenberg : 6/27/2016 10:36 am : link
not in the WC. They hold zero of a basketball advantage over any of the other rumored suitors for KD.
Can we all agree on one thing?  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:37 am : link
No more arguing about the rose deal in this thread? Dear lord is it tiring
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arcarsenal : 6/27/2016 10:38 am : link
KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.
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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:42 am : link
In comment 13010683 arcarsenal said:
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.


In fairness that would suggest he doesn't view the Knicks as being close to contenders even WITH him, that's pretty sobering.
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:44 am : link
In comment 13010683 arcarsenal said:
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.


But that's my point why not just tell them he is not interested like he apparently did with thr Lakers Washington and Houston?

If he is truly not interested I'd rather him just tell the knicks no so they don't have to wait
was there anything additional reported on  
Enzo : 6/27/2016 10:44 am : link
Wroten? They didn't have to make a decision on his money for next season until October. Why cut bait now? Seems like something may have gone sour.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:45 am : link
In comment 13010691 DanMetroMan said:
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.



In fairness that would suggest he doesn't view the Knicks as being close to contenders even WITH him, that's pretty sobering.


I mean it's all relative. If he's coming to NY it obviously wouldn't be for basketball reasons, it would be to play with his friends and in the city. GS is the obvious choice for pure basketball reasons, but if he doesn't want to take the easy way out and be ridiculed for going there it's OKC and SA.
The Knkcks need to really hope that Durant comes to the conclusion  
Lopes1984 : 6/27/2016 10:45 am : link
Conclusion That his best chance to win is by going through the east. Going into the postseason I don't think it was an unreasonable opinion to say that Cleveland was the 4th best team behind Golden State, San Antonio, and Oklahoma City. Cleveland was able to coast to the finals while the 3 western teams battled and tired each other out, that was definitely an advantage for the Cavs.

Yeah Oklahoma City has improved themselves, but I'm sure Golden State and San Antonio will as well so the west will be just as tough as ever.
Ryan rusillo was on espn radio this morning  
nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:46 am : link
And apparently said he heard knicks are in his top 3, I don't know what kind of sources he has but take it with a grain of salt..

Remember Hahn said he heard Durant was interested and would get meeting and we know who is source is
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giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:46 am : link
In comment 13010696 nygiants16 said:
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.



But that's my point why not just tell them he is not interested like he apparently did with thr Lakers Washington and Houston?

If he is truly not interested I'd rather him just tell the knicks no so they don't have to wait


Well I don't think they are waiting. Isn't it reported that Noah is priority #1?
maybe just nobody is reporting...  
Italianju : 6/27/2016 10:46 am : link
a knick meeting yet. I mean thats not that crazy to think. The knicks seem very hush hush at this point. I mean Phil said they had been talking with CHI for weeks about Rose and we didnt really get any reports until it was basically done. I know its unlikely that someone wouldnt leak it, but the knicks do not seem like they leak anything anymore. Of course you would think someone from Durants camp would.
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Enzo : 6/27/2016 10:48 am : link
In comment 13010691 DanMetroMan said:
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.



In fairness that would suggest he doesn't view the Knicks as being close to contenders even WITH him, that's pretty sobering.

If that's the case, you would think this would register with Dolan at some point - if he's even paying attention. Melo was supposed to be a draw. Phil was supposed to be a draw. Mills is supposed to have "connections" (I know, try not to laugh out loud). There's really no shortcuts when it comes to adding these guys - unless you're the Heat 6 years ago or the best player in the league happens to have been born in the same state where your team plays.
Didn't  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2016 10:48 am : link
see it posted, but Berman posted an article that has Noah all but coming to the Knicks. Says money won't be a factor but Noah prioritizes:

1. Winning
2. Dont Remember
3. A team that will help his strategy.

I'm at work but if someone could post it that would be appreciated.
Ugh  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2016 10:48 am : link
*A team that will help his foundation. Noah's Arc I think.
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:49 am : link
In comment 13010706 giantsfan44ab said:
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.



But that's my point why not just tell them he is not interested like he apparently did with thr Lakers Washington and Houston?

If he is truly not interested I'd rather him just tell the knicks no so they don't have to wait



Well I don't think they are waiting. Isn't it reported that Noah is priority #1?


But as long as he doesn't want a crazy amount of money knicks can sign both him and durant...

If he asks for to much money can the knicks ks just say screw it to Durant if there is still a chance albeit a small one?

And does anyone really know who the knicks #1 priority is? I think reporters think that because of what rose said
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giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:49 am : link
In comment 13010707 Italianju said:
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a knick meeting yet. I mean thats not that crazy to think. The knicks seem very hush hush at this point. I mean Phil said they had been talking with CHI for weeks about Rose and we didnt really get any reports until it was basically done. I know its unlikely that someone wouldnt leak it, but the knicks do not seem like they leak anything anymore. Of course you would think someone from Durants camp would.


It was leaked like over a week ago that they were pursuing Rose. It was leaked that it would be a "pipe dream" for him to sign here. So don't really see where the secrecy is a strategic move in all of this.
Gonna be an unfortunate case of more of the same  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 10:49 am : link
to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.

There's no legitimate reason for him to want to play here other than fans projecting eternal glory for being a savior. He can take the money in OKC, or winning at a high level in other situations that actually have more than 5 players under contract.
This  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:51 am : link
is silly, if winning is #1 priority for Noah he wouldn't even have the Knicks on his short list.
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:53 am : link
In comment 13010717 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.



Can't really say he has been avoiding the knicks since he has been working out with Melo and hanging out with the knicks trainer/ player personnel guy..
Here's the article.  
Jon in NYC : 6/27/2016 10:54 am : link
Winning, the ability to start and finish games, and support for his Fundation.

The Knicks should offer all 3 at a higher level than most other teams interested.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:55 am : link
In comment 13010723 nygiants16 said:
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to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.





Can't really say he has been avoiding the knicks since he has been working out with Melo and hanging out with the knicks trainer/ player personnel guy..


I think you're reading way to much into this.
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Anakim : 6/27/2016 10:56 am : link
In comment 13010717 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.



It'd be more than unfortunate. It'd be a downright slap in the face.
Realistic best case for the Knicks IMO  
Deej : 6/27/2016 10:56 am : link
is Durant resigns for a 1+1 and we attempt to impress him next offseason with an improved KP and either a healthy Rose or cap space for Westbrook. Though I think the idea of KD and RW pairing up again on another team is just odd unless it is a revolt against OKC's ownership.
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 10:58 am : link
In comment 13010729 giantsfan44ab said:
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to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.





Can't really say he has been avoiding the knicks since he has been working out with Melo and hanging out with the knicks trainer/ player personnel guy..



I think you're reading way to much into this.



I am not reading into anything, but you can't say he has been avoiding the knicks when he has done those things...

Really that simple, never said it meant he is signing with the Knicks or anything like that, just said you can't say he is avoiding the knicks
A healthy Noah is an upgrade to Lopez,  
Keith : 6/27/2016 10:59 am : link
but Lopez has proven to be able to stay healthy. I'm all for Noah, he's a great fit, but I'd be real careful with the money. I would not sign him to a 4 year deal and I'd be real careful about the 3 year deal. I like that Phil has put us in a position where guys need to come to the Knicks on our terms so that should help.
DeRozan  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:59 am : link
will not even hold meetings with other teams so unless the Raptors get cutesy with him he's basically off the market already.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13010723 nygiants16 said:
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to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.





Can't really say he has been avoiding the knicks since he has been working out with Melo and hanging out with the knicks trainer/ player personnel guy..


Players hanging out with their friends should not be looked too deeply into. Melo goes on family vacations with Wade and Lebron. They're always together. Meant nothing.
RE: Realistic best case for the Knicks IMO  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13010733 Deej said:
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is Durant resigns for a 1+1 and we attempt to impress him next offseason with an improved KP and either a healthy Rose or cap space for Westbrook. Though I think the idea of KD and RW pairing up again on another team is just odd unless it is a revolt against OKC's ownership.


It'd be pretty damn hard to, if he re-signs for a 1 year deal in OKC I think 60-65 wins is easily in play for them.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 10:59 am : link
love players citing "winning" as the #1 consideration and then joining a non-playoff team with 6 players on the roster.
WE GOT DEVIN BOOKER!!!!!! Sorta  
Anakim : 6/27/2016 11:00 am : link
David Pick ‏@IAmDPick
Source: Devin Booker, MVP in France, agreed to Summer League deal with New York Knicks.
Knick's Pre-FA show, Knicks Night Live  
TheMick7 : 6/27/2016 11:00 am : link
premieres Thursday, 8:00PM on MSG Network & is repeated numerous times over the next couple of days.
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 11:01 am : link
In comment 13010742 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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to have Durant take his meetings in New York but avoid the Knicks like they're lepers.





Can't really say he has been avoiding the knicks since he has been working out with Melo and hanging out with the knicks trainer/ player personnel guy..



Players hanging out with their friends should not be looked too deeply into. Melo goes on family vacations with Wade and Lebron. They're always together. Meant nothing.


But you can't say he is avoiding the knicks, you really think Melo is not recruiting him or talking about the knicks? Come on...

Melo himself said he was going to recruit, Derrick rose who hates recruiting said he was going to recruit...
And if KD is really that close of actual friends  
giantsfan44ab : 6/27/2016 11:02 am : link
with Melo I think it would be pretty easy for him to level with him and say "I don't want to waste time bro". Because it would be pretty disrespectful for KD to take a meeting with the team when Melo knows there's 0 chance of him signing here.
RE: WE GOT DEVIN BOOKER!!!!!! Sorta  
DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 11:02 am : link
In comment 13010750 Anakim said:
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David Pick ‏@IAmDPick
Source: Devin Booker, MVP in France, agreed to Summer League deal with New York Knicks.


Booker is also the cousin of Jordan Hill, who has also played in the NBA, with the New York Knicks, Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, and Indiana Pacers.[3]-wiki
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 11:03 am : link
In comment 13010747 DanMetroMan said:
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love players citing "winning" as the #1 consideration and then joining a non-playoff team with 6 players on the roster.


Players always think they can make a team better if they team up...

Maybe he thinks rose Melo kp and himself can win in the east?
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nygiants16 : 6/27/2016 11:05 am : link
In comment 13010760 giantsfan44ab said:
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with Melo I think it would be pretty easy for him to level with him and say "I don't want to waste time bro". Because it would be pretty disrespectful for KD to take a meeting with the team when Melo knows there's 0 chance of him signing here.


And that's all I am asking, if the knicks have zero chance how come they have not been ruled out like the Lakers Washington and Houston?

Why are they still in limbo, very s easy for durant to tell Melo or rose hey I am not interested tell Phil no meeting...
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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 11:06 am : link
In comment 13010762 nygiants16 said:
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love players citing "winning" as the #1 consideration and then joining a non-playoff team with 6 players on the roster.



Players always think they can make a team better if they team up...

Maybe he thinks rose Melo kp and himself can win in the east?


C'mon if that's the case how many spots could a player join and have it "not" be about winning? Which situations are so bad that the Knicks are about winning but they are not? Brooklyn, Sixers, Lakers, Suns, Nuggets and Kings? I'm not a hater but as of today the Knicks are easily a bottom 1/3 team in the NBA, "joining a winner" is silly as an argument for coming here. If they added Durant, that's another story.
I'm sure they're trying to recruit him. Not saying otherwise.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/27/2016 11:07 am : link
But Kevin Durant has played on NBA Finals teams. He knows what it takes to get there and has been in the trenches. I don't see him as this irrational confidence guy to think Melo, Rose, Durant, and some assorted unwanted toys = championship.

He seems to have a pretty low-wattage ego among NBA stars.
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DanMetroMan : 6/27/2016 11:08 am : link
There seems to be more demand and value for the services of Jamal Crawford the three-time Sixth Man of the Year outside the Los Angeles Clippers than inside that front office. Doc Rivers has said he plans to keep the core of the Clippers together for next season, but Crawford may be the guy hes not willing to pay to keep.

Dont take my word for it, here is what Crawford himself tweeted Sunday.

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Jamal Crawford ✔ @JCrossover
About that time for a # change..
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