Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant is the top free agent on the market, and has been in New York since last week, declining multiple interview requests by The Post on Sunday. And while the Knicks haven’t yet landed a sit-down with Durant and are believed to be long shots at best to sign him this summer, a recent report claims that they have at least given themselves an opportunity to sign the star.
While the Oklahoman had recently broken down the contenders for Durant’s services and didn’t even put the Knicks on the list — ranking them behind “the delusional pipe-dreamers” category — USA Today reported Saturday night that the deal for Derrick Rose and development of Kristaps Porzingis have led to Durant seeing the Knicks in a more favorable light. |
http://nypost.com/2016/06/26/kevin-durant-rethinking-knicks-after-derrick-rose-trade-report/
On the other hand the Knicks have NOT been granted a meeting yet per Ian Begley
Ian Begley
ESPN Staff Writer
No meeting has been scheduled - or agreed to - between the Knicks and Kevin Durant at this point, sources say. The Knicks are optimistic that they'll ultimately get consideration from Durant but they were not among the initial group of teams with whom Durant agreed to meet. The Golden State Warriors, San Antonio Spurs and Oklahoma City Thunder are the first known teams to secure a meeting with Durant, according to ESPN's Marc Stein. Durant's ties to the Knicks include his strong relationship with Carmelo Anthony and the relationship between his agent, Rich Kleiman of Roc Nation Sports, and Knicks GM Steve Mills. Still, given that New York is not among the first group of teams with whom Durant has agreed to meet, it seems as if the club faces long odds to sign him.
-Durant's camp has confirmed 6 meetings so far
-Grizzlies claim Wroten
-Knicks add Summers to Summer League squad
-Knicks add Tokoto to Summer League Squad (he reminds me Shumpert, don't count him out making the roster).
- Knicks interested in Crawford (and he in them)
-Kyler says we rank our center options as Noah #1 and Howard #2, would be "surprised" if the Knicks don't sign one of them. At this point I'd be shocked if Noah isn't a Knick.
-Tommy Dee claims we are interested in Parsons and Gerald Green
I feel the opposite. Maybe because no first rounders are on the roster, but seems like a pretty bad Summer League team. It's Ron Baker, Plumlee, Tokoto, Kuzmic' and a bunch of whos. No one really stands out. Maybe if one of them shines like Maurice N'Dour, but I think only the three I mentioned have a real shot to make the roster as of now. Then again, this Booker guy was the MVP of France so maybe we'll have a Copeland/N'Dour situation on our hands.
Wow surprise, you'd take the Knicks trio over trio "x". You're analysis hasn't exactly been unbiased.
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I feel the opposite. Maybe because no first rounders are on the roster, but seems like a pretty bad Summer League team. It's Ron Baker, Plumlee, Tokoto, Kuzmic' and a bunch of whos. No one really stands out. Maybe if one of them shines like Maurice N'Dour, but I think only the three I mentioned have a real shot to make the roster as of now. Then again, this Booker guy was the MVP of France so maybe we'll have a Copeland/N'Dour situation on our hands.
I'm not talking about the high picks types. Obviously we don't have a Porzingis (or any pick) there but I like Tokoto, Baker has a shot to be a surprise/Hornacek project. Plumlee sucks, Randle almost broke camp with the Warriors so clearly he has some level of talent. DX previously said this
"Randle is one of the best returning scorers in the country, but will need to show he can do more than that, including creating more for his teammates when his own shot isn't falling, and playing with better intensity defensively. Stanford lost some key players from their roster, so Randle may have to shoulder an even larger scoring role this season. Randle has an intriguing skill set for a point guard, but he will need to show a more rounded game on offense and a more concerted effort on defense to become a viable draft candidate."
I have faith in Rose too but if he put up the stats Teague did last year I think we'd all be ecstatic. At best Teague vs. Rose is a wash.
PG vs Melo isn't close. PG is a top 10 player. Melo at best is a top 25 player.
KP and Turner are both good players, KP certainly has the edge but lets not act like hes KAT.
There is very little chance we end up with one player on our bench as most of the guys on Indy's bench.
Not saying Noah is going to Indy at all. They haven't even expressed interest in him. Just saying we are landing FAs this year on reasons besides building a contender (NY, friends, $$$).
They met the press an hour before draft, so I think maybe it was just a quick conference to appease the media
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Should be benched this year for Schroeder if he stayed in ATL. And I'm sorry I have way more faith in Rose than some of you.
I have faith in Rose too but if he put up the stats Teague did last year I think we'd all be ecstatic. At best Teague vs. Rose is a wash.
PG vs Melo isn't close. PG is a top 10 player. Melo at best is a top 25 player.
KP and Turner are both good players, KP certainly has the edge but lets not act like hes KAT.
There is very little chance we end up with one player on our bench as most of the guys on Indy's bench.
Not saying Noah is going to Indy at all. They haven't even expressed interest in him. Just saying we are landing FAs this year on reasons besides building a contender (NY, friends, $$$).
Teague had a better year than rose?
14 and 4 on 43% shooting
16 and 5 on 44% shooting
Granted Rose has battled some injuries the last few years. However he put together a very strong second half last year and now is another off season removed from the knee injury and should be even more explosive this year.
The center position in todays basketball is more devalued than ever before. Teams need a mobile guy who can play D and preferably can pass well.
Lopez for Rose is a no brainer if Rose is healthy and if not, Knicks get cap flexibilty for 2 maxes next year.
If he is healthy, Im no cap expert but I beleive depending on the other contracts of the off season, Knicks get Roses bird rights and can sign another max and then resign Rose by going over the cap anyways.
By the same logic, Durant can come here on a one year, we get his bird rights and then sign him for a long term max (and a higher max at that since he played for us the year before).
Noah is the tougher one as he will eat some of the available cap we could use for Durant. But he could sign a smaller 1 year himself if he wants to reunite with Rose and maybe Durant with the 'assurance' he will get a nice deal in 2017.
It will take some creativity and cap manipulation but the Knicks situation is very favorable for players now and if played right they can restock even moreso in 2017.
Granted Rose has battled some injuries the last few years. However he put together a very strong second half last year and now is another off season removed from the knee injury and should be even more explosive this year.
The center position in todays basketball is more devalued than ever before. Teams need a mobile guy who can play D and preferably can pass well.
Lopez for Rose is a no brainer if Rose is healthy and if not, Knicks get cap flexibilty for 2 maxes next year.
If he is healthy, Im no cap expert but I beleive depending on the other contracts of the off season, Knicks get Roses bird rights and can sign another max and then resign Rose by going over the cap anyways.
By the same logic, Durant can come here on a one year, we get his bird rights and then sign him for a long term max (and a higher max at that since he played for us the year before).
Noah is the tougher one as he will eat some of the available cap we could use for Durant. But he could sign a smaller 1 year himself if he wants to reunite with Rose and maybe Durant with the 'assurance' he will get a nice deal in 2017.
It will take some creativity and cap manipulation but the Knicks situation is very favorable for players now and if played right they can restock even moreso in 2017.
Everything I have read suggested Noah will get paid very nicely and not some sweet little discounted deal, wanting to be a Knick or not. I suspect 3 for 39-45.
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Should be benched this year for Schroeder if he stayed in ATL. And I'm sorry I have way more faith in Rose than some of you.
I have faith in Rose too but if he put up the stats Teague did last year I think we'd all be ecstatic. At best Teague vs. Rose is a wash.
PG vs Melo isn't close. PG is a top 10 player. Melo at best is a top 25 player.
KP and Turner are both good players, KP certainly has the edge but lets not act like hes KAT.
There is very little chance we end up with one player on our bench as most of the guys on Indy's bench.
Not saying Noah is going to Indy at all. They haven't even expressed interest in him. Just saying we are landing FAs this year on reasons besides building a contender (NY, friends, $$$).
Teague had a better year than rose?
14 and 4 on 43% shooting
16 and 5 on 44% shooting
Teague shot 40% 3. Rose was 37.5% if you go by post ASB.
Do I need to rattle off all the other advanced stats to prove my point or can we just settle the fact that Rose didn't have a good season, not even close to Teague's, and accept that rose had fucked up vision so it's not a clear comparison. But it's also not fair to say Rose will be automatically better than Teague this season. If he put up Teague's exact stat line, regular and advanced, I think we'd all say Rose had a good year.
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KD may just not want to waste the Knicks' time. It's nice to be wined and dined by all these teams but I doubt he's actually looking at us as a team he's seriously interested in.
In fairness that would suggest he doesn't view the Knicks as being close to contenders even WITH him, that's pretty sobering.
I mean, they probably aren't in all seriousness unless Porzingis takes a monster leap and becomes a true star faster than expected. Rose should help but let's be real.. odds are pretty strongly against him staying healthy AND playing like the DRose of a few years ago (which would basically need to happen for this team to truly contend)
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Should be benched this year for Schroeder if he stayed in ATL. And I'm sorry I have way more faith in Rose than some of you.
I have faith in Rose too but if he put up the stats Teague did last year I think we'd all be ecstatic. At best Teague vs. Rose is a wash.
PG vs Melo isn't close. PG is a top 10 player. Melo at best is a top 25 player.
KP and Turner are both good players, KP certainly has the edge but lets not act like hes KAT.
There is very little chance we end up with one player on our bench as most of the guys on Indy's bench.
Not saying Noah is going to Indy at all. They haven't even expressed interest in him. Just saying we are landing FAs this year on reasons besides building a contender (NY, friends, $$$).
Teague had a better year than rose?
14 and 4 on 43% shooting
16 and 5 on 44% shooting
Teague shot 40% 3. Rose was 37.5% if you go by post ASB.
Do I need to rattle off all the other advanced stats to prove my point or can we just settle the fact that Rose didn't have a good season, not even close to Teague's, and accept that rose had fucked up vision so it's not a clear comparison. But it's also not fair to say Rose will be automatically better than Teague this season. If he put up Teague's exact stat line, regular and advanced, I think we'd all say Rose had a good year.
But he did put up his exact regular Stat line and was better post all star game when he put up 17 and 7...
Teague also played on a better team..
I am not metric guy so that's where we differ, I go by what I saw but we differ on that
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Should be benched this year for Schroeder if he stayed in ATL. And I'm sorry I have way more faith in Rose than some of you.
I have faith in Rose too but if he put up the stats Teague did last year I think we'd all be ecstatic. At best Teague vs. Rose is a wash.
Teague had a better year than rose?
14 and 4 on 43% shooting
16 and 5 on 44% shooting
Teague shot 40% 3. Rose was 37.5% if you go by post ASB.
Do I need to rattle off all the other advanced stats to prove my point or can we just settle the fact that Rose didn't have a good season, not even close to Teague's, and accept that rose had fucked up vision so it's not a clear comparison. But it's also not fair to say Rose will be automatically better than Teague this season. If he put up Teague's exact stat line, regular and advanced, I think we'd all say Rose had a good year.
Roses ceiling is MVP caliber lets not forget hes 27 without too much mileage (despite the injuries). Teague doesnt touch the impact of a fully healthy D Rose.
With how Rose played in the second half it was worth the risk considering it is only a next year commitment to see of he makes it all the way back.
You say you aren't the stat guy but you're the one who brought up the stats...Rose isn't a 3 point shooter and never will be. Teague is knockdown beyond the arc. Rose is for sure better when he's at the top of his game but that's not very often anymore. Teague is consistent throughout the season. Much more reliable. Anyways that misses the point of my argument. Indy will be a better team because of Paul George. There isn't anyone of George's quality in NY.
You say you aren't the stat guy but you're the one who brought up the stats...Rose isn't a 3 point shooter and never will be. Teague is knockdown beyond the arc. Rose is for sure better when he's at the top of his game but that's not very often anymore. Teague is consistent throughout the season. Much more reliable. Anyways that misses the point of my argument. Indy will be a better team because of Paul George. There isn't anyone of George's quality in NY.
So Chicago was bad just because of rose? Really?
Had nothing to do with losing noah after 25 games and Butler being hurt?
That's completely fair. But I was talking about why Indy is a better spot for winning. Which is also not very relevant because Indy isn't considering Noah
I don't think that is the case at all. He was arguably better than Teague last year and that's when including the first few months of the season when he was playing with blurred vision. After the all star break its not even close, Rose was better than Teague. To take it a step further, getting away from Jimmy Butler is going to be a big help too, those two guys just couldn't coexist. They both performed better when they other was off the floor. In the 8 games that Rose played but Butler did not, Rose averaged somethings like 21-6-4 at a 45% clip.
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Rose's atrocious first half took them out of the playoffs. Chicago was up and down all year but let's not act like Derrick Rose wasn't the reason they missed the playoffs. He won them a lot of games during his good stretch. But he lost them a lot more throughout the year.
You say you aren't the stat guy but you're the one who brought up the stats...Rose isn't a 3 point shooter and never will be. Teague is knockdown beyond the arc. Rose is for sure better when he's at the top of his game but that's not very often anymore. Teague is consistent throughout the season. Much more reliable. Anyways that misses the point of my argument. Indy will be a better team because of Paul George. There isn't anyone of George's quality in NY.
So Chicago was bad just because of rose? Really?
Had nothing to do with losing noah after 25 games and Butler being hurt?
Don't recall where I said that. I said they missed the playoffs because of him. They missed it by two games. You don't think if they had Teague instead of Rose for the first 30 or so games where he played like dogshit they would've missed the playoffs? Again, that could be due to his vision. It could also not be.
Even without a great 3 ball Rose is a penetrator and finisher on a level very few in this game ever get to. He more than flashed that same explosiveness in the second half of the season and is still 27.
You add the right guys that can shoot the 3 ball around him, Melo ,KD , KP (possibly) etc. it will be pick your poison for opposing teams as Knicks will have an elite slasher and some great spacing on the floor for Rose to wreak some serious havoc.
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and not as good as Teague. We won't know until we see how healthy he is.
I don't think that is the case at all. He was arguably better than Teague last year and that's when including the first few months of the season when he was playing with blurred vision. After the all star break its not even close, Rose was better than Teague. To take it a step further, getting away from Jimmy Butler is going to be a big help too, those two guys just couldn't coexist. They both performed better when they other was off the floor. In the 8 games that Rose played but Butler did not, Rose averaged somethings like 21-6-4 at a 45% clip.
Well, when Rose is in a suit on the sidelines, Teague is the far better player. Healthy Rose is better than Teague. But healthy Rose hasn't been around much. Teague has been very durable and durability counts too.
Yea agree with you Carl....You lost me at George two tiers over melo. Your dreaming
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This is a star driven league. You take the chance on the guys with the monster upside like Rose especially one a one year commitment. That isnt Lopez or Teague.
That's completely fair. But I was talking about why Indy is a better spot for winning. Which is also not very relevant because Indy isn't considering Noah
It depends on what Phil can pull off. Rose on a one year is ideal for so many reasons. On the high side if he shows he can return to form as the second half of last year seemed to indicate, knicks can sign him essentially without affecting their cap space next year. If they bring in Durant or anyone else for that matter on a year deal I beleive they get bird rights on all of them and can have some serious cap flexibility to reshape-restock this team.
Durant may want to do a 1+1 which looks like the go-to contract for the star player wanting some combination of winning a championship ,playing for the team they want, and reuinting with their close friends.
We find out in short order how the dominoes will fall but I wouldnt count out Jackson on pulling something major off here.
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Rose, Melo & KP over Turner, George & Teague all day. Bench to be determined.
Yea agree with you Carl....You lost me at George two tiers over melo. Your dreaming
He's the better offensive player and defense isn't even close. Paul George finished like 12th in all NBA voting and Melo finished like 27th or something. Lots of voters must be dreaming I guess...
Then again the thought of the Knicks struggling despite rose's high level of play is pretty scary...
Could we see Noah and Durant taking a slightly smaller 1+1 contract with at least Durant getting an assurance for the higher max long term deal from his new hometown team?
Galloway and Lance will likely be signed since we can go over the cap for them.
Hernangomez will likely be signed to a very low cap number.
Its the non-returning FAs that eat into the 30 mill we have available. If Noah and Durant play ball (i.e signung a 1+1 contract) this team could be a star studded lineup with OK depth next year with the chance to really loaded with an even deeper bench the following year.
LOL is that a fucking joke? Not a single executive in the league would take even think twice about taking PG over Melo. You're the one dreaming here.
PG is now a better offensive player than Melo. Shooting, passing, scoring at the rim. All favors PG now. Melo might have a better pull up jumper but that's it.
Defense is a completely another story, one that appears you're ignoring completely. If you're taking offensive equivalents for the difference in defense between the two you would be arguing that Jeff Teague is a better scorer than Steph curry.
This is laughable.
Herangomez you can sign with room exception...
I dont know. Miami just seems appealing. Warm, fun, no income tax. As an alternative to your moves, they can likely dump Dragic for some positive return.
But yeah, Wade, Whiteside, and Winslow < Melo, Rose, KP. KP is the difference maker there.
But he is nowhere near the offensive talent Melo is
Don't own his rightz
Herangomez you can sign with room exception...
Right now they have 54.1 committed not including LT and LG. Assuming you're using a 93 million cap, that leaves 36 million. There is no extra room on the 36 million for giving up Lance and Gallo.
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They are at 36 now renounce Galloway and Thomas that gives you 40 or trade O'Quinn for a future 2nd...
Herangomez you can sign with room exception...
Right now they have 54.1 committed not including LT and LG. Assuming you're using a 93 million cap, that leaves 36 million. There is no extra room on the 36 million for giving up Lance and Gallo.
Your right I counted wrong so they would Have to get rid of OQuinn
Herangomez you can sign with room exception...
What is the cap at now? According to hoopshype we are at 55 mill NOT including Lance or Galloway.
George had a random freak injury came back and played 81 games, he was benched the last game due to seeding. Rose has played in less than 40% of his games since his last big injury. Excuse me for the skepticism Dr. Carl.
That being said I'm optimistic Rose can play in 70+ games this season.
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They are at 36 now renounce Galloway and Thomas that gives you 40 or trade O'Quinn for a future 2nd...
Herangomez you can sign with room exception...
Right now they have 54.1 committed not including LT and LG. Assuming you're using a 93 million cap, that leaves 36 million. There is no extra room on the 36 million for giving up Lance and Gallo.
Your right I counted wrong so they would Have to get rid of OQuinn
Can you shed a 4 million dollar contract without picking up salary back?