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| Here’s a breakdown of the Marine Corps' new standards for Marines entering combat arms jobs. Following the opening of all jobs to women in the military in January, the Marine Corps has implemented a number of new requirements for male and female Marines seeking jobs in combat arms fields such as infantry and artillery. These changes don’t just affect those in combat arms military occupational specialties, the standards also impact Marines in non-combat arms jobs such as supply or administration who will be assigned to units with strenuous physical demands, referred to as load-bearing units. For combat arms, the Marine Corps breaks the jobs into two groups: load-bearing and non load-bearing combat arms. Load-bearing jobs are those in infantry, reconnaissance, force reconnaissance, combat engineer fields, and critical skills operators. Non-load bearing combat arms jobs are artillerymen, tankers, amphibious assault vehicle crewmen, Marines with air naval gunfire liaison companies or ANGLICO, light armored reconnaissance, and Marines in low altitude air defense jobs. The Marine Corps standards are based on a four-part process involving screening, classification, qualification, and continuation. |
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| First, you have to pass the screening. The screening portioning occurs before someone enlists in the Marine Corps. Prior to joining, prospective Marine recruits must pass an initial strength test, but for those wishing to enter combat arms, there’s a new gender-neutral test. The new initial strength test requires prospective Marine recruits complete three pullups; run 1.5 miles in 13 minutes and 30 seconds; do 44 crunches in two minutes, and perform 45 ammo-can lifts in two minutes before they can ship to boot camp. ... Next comes the MOS classification standard. While at recruit training, after having passed the initial strength test for combat-oriented jobs, recruits must meet a new standard to ensure they are prepared for the rigorous physical training at their MOS school. Called the MOS classification standard, it requires those going into combat arms meet a specific minimum standard on the PFT and CFT. Male and female recruits going into combat arms jobs must complete six pullups; a three-mile run in under 24 minutes and 51 seconds; perform 60 ammo-can lifts in two minutes; conduct a movement to contact in 3 minutes and 26 seconds or less; and maneuver under fire within 3 minutes and 12 seconds. |
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| What exactly are the requirements? These MOS-specific physical standards differ from job to job, and are gender-neutral, meaning male and female Marines must meet the same standards in order to move on to their field... Here’s a breakdown of some of the requirements for those in the infantry, indicated by the first two letters of the MOS code: 03XX. A more detailed layout of these standards can be found in the Marine Corps’ gender-integration implementation plan. |
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The new initial strength test requires prospective Marine recruits complete three pullups; run 1.5 miles in 13 minutes and 30 seconds; do 44 crunches in two minutes, and perform 45 ammo-can lifts in two minutes before they can ship to boot camp.
So the PFT CFT are still in place, just later on?
Adding to my previous reply...
From reading how the pipeline goes, I believe that the process is:
1) Pass the initial screening (as you quoted above) just to ship to boot camp.
2) Once at boot camp, be able to complete the below before you are allowed to select combat arms MOS.
3) Once you have been selected to your combat arms MOS, then you have to meet the below standards for your specific MOS (this one is for 03XX...infantry to include mortars, machine gun, assaultman, etc.) at your MOS school in order to receive that MOS for reals otherwise you get moved to another MOS.
4) Once you are at your unit, you then maintain these standards. If not, I'm sure your performance evaluation won't be so hot.
The ammo can lifts are from ground to chest high or over head? I guessing simulating getting ammo cans onto a 6x truck from the deck?
The ammo can lift is 30lb ammo can from the top of your chest to over your head with elbows locked out.
- Carry a 30 lbs flight line tool box 400 meters followed by 2x400 meter sprints simulating walking out to the aircraft and forgetting your torque wrench.
- Grease gun presses: squeeze grease gun 200 times in under 2 minutes. This simulates the only job you'll have during the first 3 months as a nugget.
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My question answered before it was asked.
Not only POGs, but boot POGs at that.
200 meter shelter jack carry - no more than 45 seconds while jumping through a course of poorly laid cables
Accidental electric shock tolerance when forgetting to turn off main circuit breakers - no less than 60 volts
Tech manual march - 10 miles while packing entire library of TPN-73 manuals
I think the entire library is on a flash drive now.
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a 60 y/o I could pass the initial test now. Not sure I'd make it out of boot camp.
The ammo can lifts are from ground to chest high or over head? I guessing simulating getting ammo cans onto a 6x truck from the deck?
The ammo can lift is 30lb ammo can from the top of your chest to over your head with elbows locked out.
Thanks. That one requires some strength and endurance.
Thankfully, I've lost all of that extra bulk.
Almost all of my former Marines here, who are now civilians have all gained at least 30-40lbs. A lot of chubby former Marines around here.
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goal to be able to get a 300 to something I could roll out of bed and do hungover? Nice.
Well...in reality, very few infantry Marines will ever get 300, no matter how hard they try. And just meeting the minimum requirements may get your in the door, but that's as far as it'll probably get you.
With that in mind, the minimum time/score for those two CFT events as I laid out aren't easy. You do have to put some effort into getting in shape for them.
And the 13 weeks of Bootcamp will do a hell of job of getting anyone who qualifies into good shape
It definitely will. It will get you as close to being at the top of your physical conditioning as possible; however, "top of your physical conditioning" is still a relative term as some just have a higher ceiling of physical capabilities that will always make them better at physical tests, etc.
Ronnie, the sad thing is that I gained the"freshman fifty, lost it all, then years later gained what you might call the sophomore eighty...haha.
Ronnie, the sad thing is that I gained the"freshman fifty, lost it all, then years later gained what you might call the sophomore eighty...haha.
As we've had discussions previously about weight gain and fitness, some people's genetics make it easier to gain weight. Add that to the stress of life and absence of military physical fitness requirements in civilian life, and it's not hard to see why prior-military folks gain weight after they leave the service. It's just harder for some people.
Fortunately for me, I've never had much issue staying in shape and maintaining weight. Matter of fact, it was a struggle to gain weight to where I am now (175lb at 5'11"). I commissioned at 145lb. While I've always hated running (although I love trail running), I forced myself to run all the time in my earlier days as a bean pole...averaged 19:30 for my 3-miles (fastest was 18:30). These days, I'm about 21:00-22:00 runner for the PFT, but surprisingly, even with being 36 and being 30lbs heavier than when I was running all the time, I killed the CFT to the tune of being the fifth fastest at the 800m run (2:42) and second fastest in the Maneuver Under Fire (1:52) out of 60 Marines. I attribute that to more streamlined and higher intensity workouts (in shorter time).
I really like it. Far more "enjoyable" than the PFT. And while I shit on Crossfit all the time, it has similar type of gut-check, high-intensity aspect to it that I love.
Come 'on M.O. its 1.5 miles in 13:30...increases the stress by quite a bit!
I kid. it just sounds like a funny unit of fitness, although admittedly, lifting ammo cans would seem to be part of the job.
all the entry requirements are rather easy (for an 18 to 20 something). (admittedly, I never hoisted a full ammo cam, but can we substitute bales of hay, which I have plenty of experience with?)
What happens in boot camp? straight into the deep end with a significantly more strenuous schedule, or ease into it? If it's straight into the deep end, perhaps the entry requirements should be a little higher.
Just because you can hit minimum standard in these physical fitness test doesn't mean you'll get 1st class score, which is the bare minimum by the Marine Corps standards when it comes to being considered normal. That's 225 out of possible 300 points for 17-26 age group and 200 for 27-40.
Even if you get 100 points on the sit-ups (which almost everyone gets), you still have to get at least 10 pull-ups (dead hang) to get 50 points (5 point per pull-up with max of 20 for 100 points) and run 22:10 or faster on the three-mile run (1 point deducted for each 10 second slower than 18:00) to get the 225 points. And that's the lowest first class...bare minimum. An infantry officer is expected to get no lower than 270 points.
So yeah, focusing on the minimum standard may seem comical, but think about what it takes to try to get to that 300 points. I consider myself in great shape and always have been, but I never cracked 300...297 was as close as I got. That's what you strive for, not the bare assed minimum you guys are laughing at.
And when anyone brings up ammo can in reference to Marine fitness tests, it's 30lbs in a box that they're speaking of. And lifting it 90+ times in two minutes from chest to overhead isn't easy.
And that was in the pogiest of pog units in the wing! Haha
And that was in the pogiest of pog units in the wing! Haha
Funny thing is...some of the most fit (scoring the highest in their PFT and CFT) Marines have been non-combat arms Marines. Now, that doesn't take into account the toughness factor that doesn't always jive with how fast you run or how much you lift but more on how hard you can push your body to the limit. However, by and large, non-combat arms Marines tend to have more free time and facilities to work out than your average combat arms Marines, who may spend a lot more time in the field or are often suffering from one injury or another as result of the load that they put on their bodies.
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Funny thing is...some of the most fit (scoring the highest in their PFT and CFT) Marines have been non-combat arms Marines. Now, that doesn't take into account the toughness factor that doesn't always jive with how fast you run or how much you lift but more on how hard you can push your body to the limit. However, by and large, non-combat arms Marines tend to have more free time and facilities to work out than your average combat arms Marines, who may spend a lot more time in the field or are often suffering from one injury or another as result of the load that they put on their bodies.
That's probably those admin and supply guys. they always had time to PT. I worked night shift on the flight line. 12-13 per night was the norm. Night shift always got boned.
Yeah...Army acting like the younger brother that it is to the Corps. I've already told the Army bubbas I work with that I'll be more than happy to show them how to roll their sleeves.
As far as the APFT they've been saying that since I've been in and it hasn't changed yet. The rolled sleeves aren't an experiment, it used to be that way and stopped about 2004.
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MOS-specific fitness requirements. Of course the Army is always looking a modifying APFT - almost as often as benefits and uniform changes. BTW, did you see the Army is experimenting with rolled sleeves!? The horror!
As far as the APFT they've been saying that since I've been in and it hasn't changed yet. The rolled sleeves aren't an experiment, it used to be that way and stopped about 2004.
Actually...the new rolled sleeves policy is a new thing since the manner in which they are rolled is similar to the Marine Corps method and unlike how you guys used to roll them (which is how the Navy and Air Force still roll their sleeves).
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Not this:
• Commanders may authorize rolled sleeves effective immediately.
• The memo applies to the Army Combat Uniform in the Universal Camouflage Pattern, Operational Camouflage Pattern or Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern.
• Sleeves will be rolled with the camo facing out.
• Sleeves will be rolled neatly above the elbow but no more than 3 inches above the elbow.
• Sleeves may be down and cuffed upon commander approval and only during field training exercises.
Milley on June 16 announced the trial at Fort Hood after a soldier asked during a re-enlistment ceremony for permission to roll his sleeves.
Throughout the trial, Army leaders sought feedback from the force, including whether sleeves should be rolled with the camo facing out or in.
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No shit? Well, at least it's not going to be new then.
Thanks for the clarification.
Yes...everyone's favorite Commandant, Amos made that call...ugh...what a shitshow that was. From 2011 to 2014.
In Iraq, we did have a perfect setup for workouts. We ran two crews that alternated - 24 hours on duty, 24 off. You'd spend a full day out at the radar site, even sleeping there, and the next day you'd be back in the barracks free to go to the gym as much as you wanted. The various ATC detachments that relieved each other kept the same barracks, and by the summer of 2005 when I got there they had built up a pretty fair little gym of our own in the barracks.
In Iraq, we did have a perfect setup for workouts. We ran two crews that alternated - 24 hours on duty, 24 off. You'd spend a full day out at the radar site, even sleeping there, and the next day you'd be back in the barracks free to go to the gym as much as you wanted. The various ATC detachments that relieved each other kept the same barracks, and by the summer of 2005 when I got there they had built up a pretty fair little gym of our own in the barracks.
One of the benefits of Crossfit (obviously I have a hate/love relationship with it) is that it provided a better option for physical fitness training for service members in bases/camps that did not have actual gyms. I don't know how many unofficial Crossfit "affiliates" were opening up in these bases/camps with great effect.
I don't see it as much of an issue since replacing "man" with "Marine" isn't a big deal, but still pretty funny...
Nearly six months after the Pentagon opened all military combat roles to women, the Marine Corps is making the change official in name — doing away with the word "man" in nearly two dozen job titles, NBC News confirmed.
The Marines in the next few days will announce gender-neutral name changes to 19 roles — a move ordered by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, the Marine Corps Times first reported.
The word "man" will be replaced with "Marine."
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BTW, sweet attention to detail by NBC there on their photo caption. Boot camp at Camp Lejeune, huh?