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NFT: What It Now Takes To Enter A Combat Job In The Marine Corps

RC02XX : 6/27/2016 11:15 am
We've had several threads/discussions regarding women in combat and the difference services implementing this change. With that in mind, here is the most comprehensive physical standard/requirements breakdown that I have seen with regards to women joining combat arms MOSs in the Marine Corps.

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Here’s a breakdown of the Marine Corps' new standards for Marines entering combat arms jobs.

Following the opening of all jobs to women in the military in January, the Marine Corps has implemented a number of new requirements for male and female Marines seeking jobs in combat arms fields such as infantry and artillery.

These changes don’t just affect those in combat arms military occupational specialties, the standards also impact Marines in non-combat arms jobs such as supply or administration who will be assigned to units with strenuous physical demands, referred to as load-bearing units.

For combat arms, the Marine Corps breaks the jobs into two groups: load-bearing and non load-bearing combat arms.

Load-bearing jobs are those in infantry, reconnaissance, force reconnaissance, combat engineer fields, and critical skills operators.

Non-load bearing combat arms jobs are artillerymen, tankers, amphibious assault vehicle crewmen, Marines with air naval gunfire liaison companies or ANGLICO, light armored reconnaissance, and Marines in low altitude air defense jobs.


The Marine Corps standards are based on a four-part process involving screening, classification, qualification, and continuation.


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First, you have to pass the screening.

The screening portioning occurs before someone enlists in the Marine Corps.

Prior to joining, prospective Marine recruits must pass an initial strength test, but for those wishing to enter combat arms, there’s a new gender-neutral test.

The new initial strength test requires prospective Marine recruits complete three pullups; run 1.5 miles in 13 minutes and 30 seconds; do 44 crunches in two minutes, and perform 45 ammo-can lifts in two minutes before they can ship to boot camp.

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Next comes the MOS classification standard.

While at recruit training, after having passed the initial strength test for combat-oriented jobs, recruits must meet a new standard to ensure they are prepared for the rigorous physical training at their MOS school.

Called the MOS classification standard, it requires those going into combat arms meet a specific minimum standard on the PFT and CFT.

Male and female recruits going into combat arms jobs must complete six pullups; a three-mile run in under 24 minutes and 51 seconds; perform 60 ammo-can lifts in two minutes; conduct a movement to contact in 3 minutes and 26 seconds or less; and maneuver under fire within 3 minutes and 12 seconds.


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What exactly are the requirements?

These MOS-specific physical standards differ from job to job, and are gender-neutral, meaning male and female Marines must meet the same standards in order to move on to their field...

Here’s a breakdown of some of the requirements for those in the infantry, indicated by the first two letters of the MOS code: 03XX. A more detailed layout of these standards can be found in the Marine Corps’ gender-integration implementation plan.




I've linked here the standards for the Marine Corps PFT and CFT for your reference.



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I believe the Army is also looking at  
SwirlingEddie : 6/29/2016 7:46 am : link
MOS-specific fitness requirements. Of course the Army is always looking a modifying APFT - almost as often as benefits and uniform changes. BTW, did you see the Army is experimenting with rolled sleeves!? The horror!
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RC02XX : 6/29/2016 7:50 am : link
In comment 13013376 SwirlingEddie said:
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MOS-specific fitness requirements. Of course the Army is always looking a modifying APFT - almost as often as benefits and uniform changes. BTW, did you see the Army is experimenting with rolled sleeves!? The horror!


Yeah...Army acting like the younger brother that it is to the Corps. I've already told the Army bubbas I work with that I'll be more than happy to show them how to roll their sleeves.
RE: I believe the Army is also looking at  
JOrthman : 6/29/2016 7:55 am : link
In comment 13013376 SwirlingEddie said:
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MOS-specific fitness requirements. Of course the Army is always looking a modifying APFT - almost as often as benefits and uniform changes. BTW, did you see the Army is experimenting with rolled sleeves!? The horror!


As far as the APFT they've been saying that since I've been in and it hasn't changed yet. The rolled sleeves aren't an experiment, it used to be that way and stopped about 2004.
RE: RE: I believe the Army is also looking at  
RC02XX : 6/29/2016 8:01 am : link
In comment 13013381 JOrthman said:
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In comment 13013376 SwirlingEddie said:


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MOS-specific fitness requirements. Of course the Army is always looking a modifying APFT - almost as often as benefits and uniform changes. BTW, did you see the Army is experimenting with rolled sleeves!? The horror!



As far as the APFT they've been saying that since I've been in and it hasn't changed yet. The rolled sleeves aren't an experiment, it used to be that way and stopped about 2004.


Actually...the new rolled sleeves policy is a new thing since the manner in which they are rolled is similar to the Marine Corps method and unlike how you guys used to roll them (which is how the Navy and Air Force still roll their sleeves).

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3. How: Maybe you've served long enough to remember rolling up the sleeves of your Battle Dress Uniform, which was phased out in 2005. Those details can stay locked in the memory box — the old roll left the uniform's camouflage pattern on the outside, while the new roll leaves the inside of the uniform facing out. Soldiers who've served alongside Marines may be familiar with the look.

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New Army sleeve rolls  
RC02XX : 6/29/2016 8:03 am : link
Like this:


Not this:
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JOrthman : 6/29/2016 8:07 am : link
The cammo is facing out like it used to be.

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According to the Army memo:

• Commanders may authorize rolled sleeves effective immediately.

• The memo applies to the Army Combat Uniform in the Universal Camouflage Pattern, Operational Camouflage Pattern or Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern.

• Sleeves will be rolled with the camo facing out.

• Sleeves will be rolled neatly above the elbow but no more than 3 inches above the elbow.

• Sleeves may be down and cuffed upon commander approval and only during field training exercises.

Milley on June 16 announced the trial at Fort Hood after a soldier asked during a re-enlistment ceremony for permission to roll his sleeves.

Throughout the trial, Army leaders sought feedback from the force, including whether sleeves should be rolled with the camo facing out or in.



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Your link and article was when they were still experimenting  
JOrthman : 6/29/2016 8:10 am : link
at Fort Hood. The one I have is the official word.
RE: Your link and article was when they were still experimenting  
RC02XX : 6/29/2016 8:20 am : link
In comment 13013393 JOrthman said:
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at Fort Hood. The one I have is the official word.


No shit? Well, at least it's not going to be new then.

Thanks for the clarification.
Marines stopped rolling sleeves for a while too, right?  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 8:51 am : link
That must have been murder in Yuma in August.
RE: Marines stopped rolling sleeves for a while too, right?  
RC02XX : 6/29/2016 8:56 am : link
In comment 13013439 Greg from LI said:
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That must have been murder in Yuma in August.


Yes...everyone's favorite Commandant, Amos made that call...ugh...what a shitshow that was. From 2011 to 2014.
Night shift does get screwed  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 8:59 am : link
In Uzbekistan, we only had one guy from each shop on nights. For a while I volunteered to take it every week because it let me get my phone calls home to the missus in when no one else was using the phones, and it let me pretty much do whatever I wanted. After a while though, it sucked having a 14 hour day while everyone else had 10.

In Iraq, we did have a perfect setup for workouts. We ran two crews that alternated - 24 hours on duty, 24 off. You'd spend a full day out at the radar site, even sleeping there, and the next day you'd be back in the barracks free to go to the gym as much as you wanted. The various ATC detachments that relieved each other kept the same barracks, and by the summer of 2005 when I got there they had built up a pretty fair little gym of our own in the barracks.
RE: Night shift does get screwed  
RC02XX : 6/29/2016 9:52 am : link
In comment 13013449 Greg from LI said:
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In Uzbekistan, we only had one guy from each shop on nights. For a while I volunteered to take it every week because it let me get my phone calls home to the missus in when no one else was using the phones, and it let me pretty much do whatever I wanted. After a while though, it sucked having a 14 hour day while everyone else had 10.

In Iraq, we did have a perfect setup for workouts. We ran two crews that alternated - 24 hours on duty, 24 off. You'd spend a full day out at the radar site, even sleeping there, and the next day you'd be back in the barracks free to go to the gym as much as you wanted. The various ATC detachments that relieved each other kept the same barracks, and by the summer of 2005 when I got there they had built up a pretty fair little gym of our own in the barracks.


One of the benefits of Crossfit (obviously I have a hate/love relationship with it) is that it provided a better option for physical fitness training for service members in bases/camps that did not have actual gyms. I don't know how many unofficial Crossfit "affiliates" were opening up in these bases/camps with great effect.
I will say that during my short stint (6 months) in Iraq  
leatherneck570 : 6/29/2016 10:06 am : link
I was impressed with how many bases had a gym. Even the smallest FOBs I went to had nice facilities to work out in. Granted, this was in 2008.
Sort of on a tangent...  
RC02XX : 6/29/2016 10:37 am : link
but this made me laugh...

I don't see it as much of an issue since replacing "man" with "Marine" isn't a big deal, but still pretty funny...

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Nearly six months after the Pentagon opened all military combat roles to women, the Marine Corps is making the change official in name — doing away with the word "man" in nearly two dozen job titles, NBC News confirmed.

The Marines in the next few days will announce gender-neutral name changes to 19 roles — a move ordered by Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, the Marine Corps Times first reported.

The word "man" will be replaced with "Marine."

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The thing that's so silly is....  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 10:43 am : link
....if it's so vital to change the names, why only change some of them? Shouldn't they all be changed for the benefit of the sisterhood?

BTW, sweet attention to detail by NBC there on their photo caption. Boot camp at Camp Lejeune, huh?
oh, and Ray Mabus is a cunt  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 10:43 am : link
That is all.
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