NFT: Jessie Williams' speech

In comment 13011328 ryanmkeane said:

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understand both sides of the "argument" but find it somewhat humorous when white people are immediately always like "whoa whoa whoa you're making some pretty serious claims there..." when like, literally, over 50% of this country is just flat out horribly racist.

Whoa whoa whoa, you're making some pretty serious claims there... (like pulling a bullshit 'statistic' out of your ass).

In comment 13011341 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 13011335 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: In comment 13011328 ryanmkeane said: Quote: understand both sides of the "argument" but find it somewhat humorous when white people are immediately always like "whoa whoa whoa you're making some pretty serious claims there..." when like, literally, over 50% of this country is just flat out horribly racist. i blame the media... media focuses on it and the people just eat it up. Agreed that the media is a joke...but the media is not to blame for people being horribly racist, which again...is over 50% of this country. So...guess we will just not see eye to eye on that.

all good. agree to disagree on the media and the percent. im thinking 40% but not over 50%.

you can't be serious?

habit from always typing gmen about the giants

In comment 13011349 ryanmkeane said:

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you can't be serious?

You pull a number out of your ass and in your infinite wisdom accuse more than half the country of being horribly racist. So yes, I'm serious.

Social Justice Warriors breathlessly showing their command of facts and nuance

In comment 13011353 Mighty said:

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habit from always typing gmen about the giants

all good, i knew you meant me :)

In comment 13010989 Big Al said:

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I had no idea this guy existed.

This^

everyone chooses to ignore reality, honestly. And the longer that happens the worse off we are. For reasons I can't explain, there are some white people that just refuse to see it.

In comment 13011376 ryanmkeane said:

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everyone chooses to ignore reality, honestly. And the longer that happens the worse off we are. For reasons I can't explain, there are some white people that just refuse to see it.

Most people acknowledge that there are problems, but there is no consensus (among people of any color) as to what exactly the problems are and what remedial measures are likely to fix them. Those who disagree with you are not invariably ignorant or ill-intentioned and often they've put a good deal more thought into it than you seem to.

Said in an snippet of a speech something most might not agree with?

The BBI commentary is the only interesting part of this thread.

has heard of this guy? So you'd pay attention to it if Brad Pitt said the same exact thing?

In comment 13011383 ryanmkeane said:

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has heard of this guy? So you'd pay attention to it if Brad Pitt said the same exact thing?

No. I pretty much file all this shit in the "ain't got no time for" folder

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In comment 13011383 ryanmkeane said:

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has heard of this guy? So you'd pay attention to it if Brad Pitt said the same exact thing?

How is his speech any more important or attention worthy than a comment from David in LA ?

I wouldn't take any advice on anything from Brad Pitt, unless it was men's fashion advice.

I'm interested in the BBI comments from posters whose opinions I hold value in, barring that I'm here to be mildly entertained when bored or read opinions from posters I may not have heard from before.

In comment 13011383 ryanmkeane said:

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has heard of this guy? So you'd pay attention to it if Brad Pitt said the same exact thing?

Who gives a shit about what that dummy has to say?

please get here sooner.......

than mine, Patrick.

that BBI is a very white message board, no real debating that....

black people who are just as rascist than white people. I also live and work in a city where minorities are closer to even than the national average, so I definitely see both side of the coin.

There are a lot of shitty people out here in the world.... whites, black, and hispanics included. People wondering why racism will never die? Its because there are a lot of hateful people in this world.

In comment 13011230 ryanmkeane said:

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why white people immediately become offended when something like this happens.

Agree. It does seem like the people that whine about everyone being "PC" and minorities being "easily offended" are the first ones to get offended when they feel they are being slighted in anyway. . I don't mean to say the original poster was doing that but it's certainly a trend I've noticed in general.

In comment 13011439 Fish said:

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please get here sooner.......

Or Isles hockey!!! Amiright Fish!?!?!?!?!

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However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic,

How convenient they fail to mention the black-on-black murder rate is eight times the white-on-white murder rate. If the black murder rate was the same as the white murder rate, murder wouldn't even be a topic in America. BLM. A lie built on a fiction.

In comment 13011543 BillT said:

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Quote: However, those who insist on talking about black-on-black crime frequently fail to acknowledge that most crime is intraracial. Ninety-three percent of black murder victims are killed by other black people. Eighty-four percent of white murder victims are killed by other white people. The continued focus on black-on-black crime is a diversionary tactic, How convenient they fail to mention the black-on-black murder rate is eight times the white-on-white murder rate. If the black murder rate was the same as the white murder rate, murder wouldn't even be a topic in America. BLM. A lie built on a fiction.

Don't you think the extremely high murder rate is a symptom of how bad things are in black communities? It's not as simple as "blacks have to stop committing crimes against one another".

who give a shit what Brad Pitt has to say. About anything. Unless he's pretending to be someone else and mouthing somebody's words. Gosh. 46.3345% of the people in this world are morons.

Frustration over high profile incidents of police (and sometimes police wannabes) killing young black males and a perceived lack of accountability afterwards. Relationship between police and minorities has been strained throughout much of American history, and like President Obama said - it's not always imagined.

I think BLM needs to look at each incident objectively and fairly. And, they tend to miss opportunities to really impact the issue.

I didn't think much of the speech. But, he's entitled to his opinion. One point I agree with - re: the hypocrites people who bring up black on black crime use it as a pivot when police abuses are alleged. For example, a lot of the talking heads on Fox News rarely if ever focus on the subject, unless it is to counter allegations of police abuse.

But the speech would make it seem like the system is stacked against minorities. Issues are more complex than his world view.

Don't want to hear about it. And believe if you work hard, do well in school you can do anything you want. And they are right.

Are people racist? We are all a little prejudiced. I am sure of that but most people don't give a crap what shade of skin you have. I take Morgan Freemans approach. Stop talking about it and it will go away.

I was addressing the BLM Big Lie. And it is a big lie. And they are the ones using a diversionary tactic not those who point out the black-on-black murder rate. And you are trying to change the subject. Yes, things are bad in the black inter city. Maybe another 60 years of "Great Society" programs will help.

for yourself.

and not saying he's right, but taking the ostrich approach isn't going to resolve issues either. people should stop talking about things that make you uncomfortable? - not going to happen. besides, how many white people do you think were watching the BET Awards? - not like it's being shoved down your throat.

BLM is a reaction. I think they get a lot wrong, but, the tension has been there throughout history. high profile incidents cause flare ups.

and relatively speaking, BLM is a tiny, tiny group.

While race undoubtedly plays a role in some incidents, the idea that it's entirely a racial phenomenon is both silly and counterproductive. There are many, many instances of white people being beaten and shot under questionable at best circumstances.

But the historical strain, more specifically the roles government assigned to the police re: minorities starting with slave patrols, enforcing Jim Crow Laws, and eventually the war on drugs - it was recipe a for ill will, on both sides, in fact one could argue it is surprising that the relationship isn't worse. and the high profile incidents provide the spark...add to that emotions, the media, misguided responses on both sides incompetent handling of the aftermath and self-serving agitators...

I think sometimes people use it for personal gain rather than trying to help anything. ESPN just had a segment asking does the NBA need a white superstar? Is this any less racist from asking does the country need a black president? police have been revenue collecters for cities for years and now when they are villianized by the people having to pay these fines is it more racist for the police to try and fine people or more racist for holding it against them for following there procedures. It is complicated issue that is used now to promote careers and make people fight against one another.

In comment 13011328 ryanmkeane said:

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understand both sides of the "argument" but find it somewhat humorous when white people are immediately always like "whoa whoa whoa you're making some pretty serious claims there..." when like, literally, over 50% of this country is just flat out horribly racist.

50% of the nation is racist? WTF?

Or is his dad?

In comment 13011479 Spreegal22 said:

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In comment 13011230 ryanmkeane said: Quote: why white people immediately become offended when something like this happens. Agree. It does seem like the people that whine about everyone being "PC" and minorities being "easily offended" are the first ones to get offended when they feel they are being slighted in anyway. . I don't mean to say the original poster was doing that but it's certainly a trend I've noticed in general.

Agree

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More divided, less prosperous and this bomb is ticking.

Racist come in all forms.....it is more accepted from the minority but just as wrong.

I personally think it is a waste of time, none productive, and more perception than reality.

Certainly minorities have less opportunity but they have been lied to for 50 years. They have less opportunities not because of their race but they have less contacts and connections to success. There is competition and you must persevere as the odds are against you. Dependency on government is just like any addiction....makes you weaker and even less likely to reach independence.

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is that blacks are just taking free handouts and making themselves weaker, am I following correctly? The general tone of your post seems to be 'suck it up!'

"Life's not fair, raise yourself up..." Sort of philosophy? I raised my kids that way, tbh.

Spend some time in Appalachia. Your skin does not assure you contacts or some sort of habituation to hard work and ambition. White rural poor and black rural poor have much more in common with each other than they do with college-bound suburbanites of their own skin tone.

In comment 13011940 Bill L said:

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"Life's not fair, raise yourself up..." Sort of philosophy? I raised my kids that way, tbh.

I feel like it's a very broad solution to an incredibly nuanced societal issue.

In comment 13011957 Dunedin81 said:

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Spend some time in Appalachia. Your skin does not assure you contacts or some sort of habituation to hard work and ambition. White rural poor and black rural poor have much more in common with each other than they do with college-bound suburbanites of their own skin tone.

No disagreement here.

Yep, lots of white people struggling as well.

In comment 13011986 David in LA said:

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In comment 13011940 Bill L said: Quote: "Life's not fair, raise yourself up..." Sort of philosophy? I raised my kids that way, tbh. I feel like it's a very broad solution to an incredibly nuanced societal issue.

I seldom see these things as societal things. There's individual situations and individual solutions. I think you become paralyzed when all you do is complain that God is picking on you.

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In comment 13012551 David in LA said:

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Your normal tactic. When issues like this are discussed, your go is to ask so you believe there is no police brutality, or there is no discrimatio, etc. you put in other people's mouth's, Even people sympathetic to your point of view have called you on this type of stuff.

I'm positing a question to Bill to get a better grasp of what his position is, the fact that you interpret that as me putting words in his mouth is on you. This was a pretty civil convo, but here you are trying to stir something up between me and another poster. Stay in your lane.