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BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/27/2016 12:34 pm
With the European market crashing, the pound losing massive value overnight, many people not fully understanding what the EU was, and the millions of dollars it's going to cost to leave the EU, do you think the United Kingdom would vote to leave if they voted again today?

Personally I think they have some buyer remorse, but they realize the consequences are short term right now.

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That's ridiculous  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/28/2016 7:27 pm : link
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RE: Idiotsavant  
buford : 6/28/2016 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13012676 Modus Operandi said:
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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.


The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.
You know what though about all of this?  
montanagiant : 6/28/2016 7:35 pm : link
England let the people decide this via a special vote and they deserve kudos for that. I don't think we ever could see the same thing happen here no matter who is in charge
Cali does the referendum bit a lot...  
Dunedin81 : 6/28/2016 7:44 pm : link
of course the court system sometimes decides when they've had too much democracy, but that's probably the closest analogy.
In this thread -  
Bockman : 6/28/2016 8:19 pm : link
"My liberal arts degree means my opinions are the only valid ones, and the working class are too dumb to decide their own fate."

I can smell the smug through my monitor.
RE: RE: Idiotsavant  
Modus Operandi : 6/28/2016 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13013089 buford said:
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In comment 13012676 Modus Operandi said:


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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.


You think over regulation is driving businesses out of the states? Anything to back it up that isnt a Facebook meme?
You have anything  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/28/2016 8:54 pm : link
to back up it isn't except a facebook meme?

I would say tax structure more than anything else as far as sending business overseas.

I would say over regulation hurts mains street as big business can absorb those costs and pass it on compared to mom and pops.

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buford : 6/28/2016 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13013139 Modus Operandi said:
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In comment 13013089 buford said:


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In comment 13012676 Modus Operandi said:


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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.



You think over regulation is driving businesses out of the states? Anything to back it up that isnt a Facebook meme?


Ask the Economist
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RE: RE: Idiotsavant  
compton : 6/28/2016 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13013089 buford said:
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In comment 13012676 Modus Operandi said:


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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.


I don't mean to go off in a tangent but I have to ask. Can you be more specific and tell us in detail about some of these business that left American shores because of over regulation?
or CNBC  
buford : 6/28/2016 8:55 pm : link
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compton : 6/28/2016 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13013149 buford said:
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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.



You think over regulation is driving businesses out of the states? Anything to back it up that isnt a Facebook meme?



Ask the Economist Link - ( New Window )


Where in the article was there evidence that companies were leaving America because of over regulation? It's possible I missed it.
Well  
Modus Operandi : 6/28/2016 9:03 pm : link
If your go-to is an Economist op-ed that cites soda machine labels and lemonade stands as a sign of over-regulation, it's no surprise you're so up in arms over whether a butcher sells meat in grams or ounces.

Why do you insist on wasting our time?
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ctc in ftmyers : 6/28/2016 9:04 pm : link
In comment 13013150 compton said:
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In comment 13012676 Modus Operandi said:


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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.



I don't mean to go off in a tangent but I have to ask. Can you be more specific and tell us in detail about some of these business that left American shores because of over regulation?


Nah. Just waiting on your published thesis on why it isn't true.

Yeah, you're not meaning to go off on a tangent. If you weren't you wouldn't have posted.
RE: or CNBC  
compton : 6/28/2016 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13013151 buford said:
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Come now. A fast food restaurant? That's your shining example. That restaurant is not forsaking America for foreign shores. They are expanding. And since the American market is saturated with fast food joints, I would expect most of their investments would be overseas. No?
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compton : 6/28/2016 9:09 pm : link
In comment 13013158 ctc in ftmyers said:
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In comment 13013089 buford said:


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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.



I don't mean to go off in a tangent but I have to ask. Can you be more specific and tell us in detail about some of these business that left American shores because of over regulation?



Nah. Just waiting on your published thesis on why it isn't true.

Yeah, you're not meaning to go off on a tangent. If you weren't you wouldn't have posted.


Come now. Don't get testy; it's unbecoming. I don't want to derail this thread. I think we have had a great discussion so far.
Like the Geico commercial  
Modus Operandi : 6/28/2016 9:12 pm : link
That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.
RE: RE: No chance they would vote to leave again  
Sonic Youth : 6/28/2016 9:18 pm : link
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It would be overwhelmingly in favor of remaining. A lot of younger voters who would have voted to remain just didn't vote (sounds familiar) and they would in a second round of voting. Not to mention all of the people who are pining for a second vote... it's up to what, 3 million now? If even a chunk of those millions would be new voters, that would sway things even more. Plus the people who are caught up in the aftermath of this and seeing how the markets are reacting to it. They would vote to remain thinking it might fix things. Then you have numerous people coming out and admitting they didn't know all of this would happen just because they voted to leave. That they just got caught up in it and thought it wouldn't be that big of a deal (lol)

So yeah, remain would win in a landslide if it happened again.



It's also possible that some of the Remains would be sufficiently offended by the attempt to hold another fucking referendum because the powers that be didn't get the answer they wanted the first time and would vote to Leave.
You really think that the number of people you described would be nearly enough to offset the population segment illmatic described in his post?

RE: In this thread -  
DonQuixote : 6/28/2016 9:20 pm : link
In comment 13013129 Bockman said:
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"My liberal arts degree means my opinions are the only valid ones, and the working class are too dumb to decide their own fate."

I can smell the smug through my monitor.


I smelled sarcasm
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Idiotsavant  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/28/2016 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13013163 compton said:
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Do you believe whether a butcher uses the Imperial or metric system in scaling his wares is topic worthy of discussion? Is it a root cause of Brexit? Will it make lives easier for Brits?

Do you think AP's insinuations that those Brits who voted to leave are simpletons worthy of debate?

I don't. I think neither buford or AP bring anything to the table in these discussions other than to conflate and drive the conversations off track. Imho, let's plow their shit out of the way and move on with the discussion.



The irony of you complaint about the discussion being driven off track is quite hysterical.

The point about the butcher being able to sell in pounds and ounces is that before he wasn't allowed to legally. Do you think THAT is something that should be decided on that huge of a level. The point is the micro management of the EU and the cost of that. It's the same here in the US with the cost of over-regulation which drives businesses out of the US.



I don't mean to go off in a tangent but I have to ask. Can you be more specific and tell us in detail about some of these business that left American shores because of over regulation?



Nah. Just waiting on your published thesis on why it isn't true.

Yeah, you're not meaning to go off on a tangent. If you weren't you wouldn't have posted.



Come now. Don't get testy; it's unbecoming. I don't want to derail this thread. I think we have had a great discussion so far.


Yeah, ok. I'm just asking what you are asking for. Who is being testy?

Fast food restaurants hire the under educated, unskilled workers that are demanding $15 an hour because the government decided the 30 hrs a week is now full time so they only get 29.

The regulation paperwork cost is growing out site. I'm not concerned with the Carl Jrs of the world. They will do what they need to survive. Including making overseas expansion a priority.

I go back to main street. The small business owner who doesn't have other options is who is being hurt.

You and I both know that is the backbone of the middle class.
I know "regulation" and "taxes" are all the rage  
kicker : 6/28/2016 9:24 pm : link
when talking about where and why businesses move.

But, they are far from the top reasons for businesses staying or fleeing. You don't think that IP protection is important? Local/regional/domestic labor laws? Costs of transportation and the local talent?
RE: the salty tears in this thread are hilarious  
Sonic Youth : 6/28/2016 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13011866 Bockman said:
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anyone that's not a moron realizes that the recent market activity is very short-term and knew it was going to happen

"but muh globalism!"

A majority just democratically voted to tell the EU to pound sand. Naturally those in favor of the status quo are salty.

Que sunglasses deal-with-it GIF.
What a childish and simplistic view of what actually happened.

Anyway... a someone who is 27, I do empathaize with the younger generation of voters who overwhelmingly voted to stay getting absolutely screwed by a bunch of older voters who have decided the future for them.

Sucks for the younger generation in the UK. Their future has been decided for them. They probably should have turned out in higher numbers.
It's all fun and games  
Modus Operandi : 6/28/2016 9:26 pm : link
Until our elite masters sell our lemonade and girl scout cookie sectors down the river.
RE: RE: The difference between laws being passed down...  
Sonic Youth : 6/28/2016 9:29 pm : link
In comment 13012044 buford said:
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...from London versus Brussels, is that they get to vote for the guys passing down the laws from London. This is from five years ago, long before the refugee crisis - ( New Window )



Exactly. And the overbearing regulations. I've just read in the past few days that the EU is talking about banning electric kettles and some hair dryers because of global warming concerns. And that a butcher shop in the UK immediately began selling meat in pounds and ounces after the exit vote. These things sound silly, but many people are tired of bureaucrats in far away places making these types of decisions that affect most people's lives daily, but have no real discernible benefit to them. The ruling class or elites, whatever you want to call them, seem to excel in making rules to show how enlightened they are. It's a form of virtue signaling. Meanwhile, real problems go unresolved. It's what happens when the people in power forget they are servants of the people, not masters.

I get your point, but global warming restrictions rarely have tangible benefits to any one individual in the immediacy...

Does this mean "fuck 'em, who needs em!"?
RE: Like the Geico commercial  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/28/2016 9:33 pm : link
In comment 13013166 Modus Operandi said:
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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.


That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.
Because Op-Eds largely mean donkey shit, here is an actual  
kicker : 6/28/2016 9:35 pm : link
well-respected study on the impacts of environmental regulation on manufacturing business location.

They find that there is no link.

"Regulation and the Competitiveness of U.S. Manufacturing: What Does the Evidence Tell Us?"
RE: RE: Like the Geico commercial  
Modus Operandi : 6/28/2016 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13013181 ctc in ftmyers said:
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In comment 13013166 Modus Operandi said:


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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.


Carl Jr. isn't going to not open up more stores because the minimum wage went up if they feel there's there's profit to be made in expansion. It's counter-intuitive. They will expand anywhere and everywhere they can.

And either we're talking middle class jobs - historically manufacturing - or low end jobs, as you brought up in your Carl Jr. example.

Unfortunately for some, those manufacturing jobs are gone due to technology and cheaper labor costs overseas, and we haven't done a great job retraining or providing adequate opportunities for those workers to learn new skills to adapt to a new marketplace. Instead, some have found it more politically expedient to blame globalization, cheap imports (which we Americans love) rather than face hard realities.

What remains of the middle class have faced stagnant wages while companies sit on massive reserves due to uncertainty.

None of this, of course, has anything to due with regulation. But it won't stop those like buford from continuing to kick straw men.






NJxit  
madgiantscow009 : 6/28/2016 10:06 pm : link
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RE: RE: Like the Geico commercial  
compton : 6/28/2016 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13013181 ctc in ftmyers said:
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In comment 13013166 Modus Operandi said:


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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.


It's not one or the other. Carl Jr. is not facing a dilemma of if they open a restaurant in America then they can't open one overseas. The factors that influence these investment decisions can't be simply reduced to regulation. Canada and the EU have way more restrictive business regulation than the U.S; in spite of that, American companies (from fast food to hi-tech) are opening business there. I'm not interested in changing anyone mind. If you feel that business are fleeing America because of excessive regulation; more power to you.
RE: In this thread -  
BMac : 6/28/2016 10:50 pm : link
In comment 13013129 Bockman said:
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"My liberal arts degree means my opinions are the only valid ones, and the working class are too dumb to decide their own fate."

I can smell the smug through my monitor.


That's just your fetid breath blowing back in your face.
RE: In this thread -  
njm : 6/29/2016 8:57 am : link
In comment 13013129 Bockman said:
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"My liberal arts degree means my opinions are the only valid ones, and the working class are too dumb to decide their own fate."

I can smell the smug through my monitor.


"I'll enlighten you further when I finish my shift as a barista." :>)
RE: RE: Like the Geico commercial  
buford : 6/29/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13013181 ctc in ftmyers said:
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In comment 13013166 Modus Operandi said:


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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.


Or they get electronic kiosks to replace those workers. BTW, Obamacare and minimum wages are also regulations that cause companies to move jobs overseas. It's not just environmental regulations.

And the comments about 'so you don't want any regulations' are just silly. We are over regulated. Thousands of new regulations are passed each year. Someone who is in business can tell you that. But nothing will convince you if you don't want to believe it.
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Deej : 6/29/2016 9:51 am : link
In comment 13013492 buford said:
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In comment 13013166 Modus Operandi said:


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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.



Or they get electronic kiosks to replace those workers. BTW, Obamacare and minimum wages are also regulations that cause companies to move jobs overseas. It's not just environmental regulations.

And the comments about 'so you don't want any regulations' are just silly. We are over regulated. Thousands of new regulations are passed each year. Someone who is in business can tell you that. But nothing will convince you if you don't want to believe it.


Lack of free trade agreements also causes jobs to move overseas. One of the auto makers said it was moving some production to Mexico not because of wages but because the Mexican-made cars are cheaper to export than US-made cars because Mexico has more free trade agreements.
Interesting op ed by Kissinger in today's WSJ  
njm : 6/29/2016 10:46 am : link
Takes what I would call middle ground on the issue. I can't link it but it's worth the read.
Stop squatting on threads you know nothing about.  
kicker : 6/29/2016 10:55 am : link
Holy shit, you would think that at one point you'd just be quiet and learn.
RE: Interesting op ed by Kissinger in today's WSJ  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13013626 njm said:
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Takes what I would call middle ground on the issue. I can't link it but it's worth the read.


Here you go.
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It is a nice  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 11:01 am : link
read.
Still not past paywall  
Overseer : 6/29/2016 11:06 am : link
Sometimes you just need younger, more urbanized people to show you the way...

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In fact, the minimum wage is a fun little litmus test  
kicker : 6/29/2016 11:12 am : link
to see who is functionally brain dead.
Yep  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 11:13 am : link
I accessed it through google. Copied and pasted the link and tried it out before submitting.

Once posted, it came up pay/subscribe.

Thanks, learned something today.
ctc  
njm : 6/29/2016 11:15 am : link
Did he just call us old farts?
I like Kissinger's tone...  
Dunedin81 : 6/29/2016 11:22 am : link
and I think statesmanship on both sides can view this as an opportunity. Alienate them too far from Europe and you've set an example pour encourager les autres, but you've also alienated the most powerful military in Western Europe and a significant source of your diplomatic credibility as the wielder of something more than soft power. Chart a middle ground that keeps them pretty close and you ensure that while the quasi-Whiggish view of "ever closer union" may be dead, the idea of European unity is not.
RE: ctc  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 13013695 njm said:
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Did he just call us old farts?


That or idiots.

But realizing where it came from came from, you gotta cut some slack if you know what I mean. :)
Goldman predicts a 2.5% drop in UK GDP over two years  
WideRight : 6/29/2016 11:58 am : link
Primarily citing the impact of uncertainty.

I couldn't get past the WSJ paywall either, but a "nice read" from a former diplomat doesn't sound worth it

just throwing this out there  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 12:31 pm : link
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Reuters Business Verified account 
‏@ReutersBiz
BREAKING: Britain's FTSE 100 index recovers all losses from Brexit


8:43 AM - 29 Jun 2016

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Markets reflect no economi fundamentals.  
kicker : 6/29/2016 12:32 pm : link
I would hesitate to put any stock in those numbers.
RE: just throwing this out there  
Patrick77 : 6/29/2016 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13013911 Greg from LI said:
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Reuters Business Verified account 
‏@ReutersBiz
BREAKING: Britain's FTSE 100 index recovers all losses from Brexit


8:43 AM - 29 Jun 2016

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It's the apocalypse, the world economy will halt. Only the elite lizard people will survive.
I don't doubt you on that  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 12:36 pm : link
Just wanted to mention it since the market reaction to the initial vote was blathered about quite a bit here.
RE: just throwing this out there  
Deej : 6/29/2016 12:37 pm : link
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1) I read a few days ago that FTSE 100 is a bad measuring stick because so many of those businesses earn a ton outside Britain. Is Brexit really bad for drugmakers AZ and GSK? Their US subs are still selling the same product in dollars in the US market. FTSE 250 is more broad based. It had a 6/23 high of 17333, fell below 15000 on 6/27, and is now at 16002. So still impaired but bouncing back significantly.

2) The markets are a terrible way to gauge anything other than the markets. Especially in this era to too much capital with nothing (literally) to put it in. Because interest rates are so low, big investors are taking on a lot of risk with equities.
I'm familiar with the fast food industry  
RB^2 : 6/29/2016 1:56 pm : link
Most of the growth opportunities are outside the U.S. But if you want to continue being ignorant, be my guest, though it would be refreshing if it somehow managed to stay off here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like the Geico commercial  
Victor in CT : 6/29/2016 4:43 pm : link
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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.



Or they get electronic kiosks to replace those workers. BTW, Obamacare and minimum wages are also regulations that cause companies to move jobs overseas. It's not just environmental regulations.

And the comments about 'so you don't want any regulations' are just silly. We are over regulated. Thousands of new regulations are passed each year. Someone who is in business can tell you that. But nothing will convince you if you don't want to believe it.



Lack of free trade agreements also causes jobs to move overseas. One of the auto makers said it was moving some production to Mexico not because of wages but because the Mexican-made cars are cheaper to export than US-made cars because Mexico has more free trade agreements.


How about its because Mexican auto workers make $15 per DAY?
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