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NFT: Would they Brexit again?

BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/27/2016 12:34 pm
With the European market crashing, the pound losing massive value overnight, many people not fully understanding what the EU was, and the millions of dollars it's going to cost to leave the EU, do you think the United Kingdom would vote to leave if they voted again today?

Personally I think they have some buyer remorse, but they realize the consequences are short term right now.

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Deej : 6/29/2016 9:51 am : link
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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.



Or they get electronic kiosks to replace those workers. BTW, Obamacare and minimum wages are also regulations that cause companies to move jobs overseas. It's not just environmental regulations.

And the comments about 'so you don't want any regulations' are just silly. We are over regulated. Thousands of new regulations are passed each year. Someone who is in business can tell you that. But nothing will convince you if you don't want to believe it.


Lack of free trade agreements also causes jobs to move overseas. One of the auto makers said it was moving some production to Mexico not because of wages but because the Mexican-made cars are cheaper to export than US-made cars because Mexico has more free trade agreements.
Interesting op ed by Kissinger in today's WSJ  
njm : 6/29/2016 10:46 am : link
Takes what I would call middle ground on the issue. I can't link it but it's worth the read.
Stop squatting on threads you know nothing about.  
kicker : 6/29/2016 10:55 am : link
Holy shit, you would think that at one point you'd just be quiet and learn.
RE: Interesting op ed by Kissinger in today's WSJ  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13013626 njm said:
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Takes what I would call middle ground on the issue. I can't link it but it's worth the read.


Here you go.
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It is a nice  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 11:01 am : link
read.
Still not past paywall  
Overseer : 6/29/2016 11:06 am : link
Sometimes you just need younger, more urbanized people to show you the way...

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In fact, the minimum wage is a fun little litmus test  
kicker : 6/29/2016 11:12 am : link
to see who is functionally brain dead.
Yep  
ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 11:13 am : link
I accessed it through google. Copied and pasted the link and tried it out before submitting.

Once posted, it came up pay/subscribe.

Thanks, learned something today.
ctc  
njm : 6/29/2016 11:15 am : link
Did he just call us old farts?
I like Kissinger's tone...  
Dunedin81 : 6/29/2016 11:22 am : link
and I think statesmanship on both sides can view this as an opportunity. Alienate them too far from Europe and you've set an example pour encourager les autres, but you've also alienated the most powerful military in Western Europe and a significant source of your diplomatic credibility as the wielder of something more than soft power. Chart a middle ground that keeps them pretty close and you ensure that while the quasi-Whiggish view of "ever closer union" may be dead, the idea of European unity is not.
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ctc in ftmyers : 6/29/2016 11:25 am : link
In comment 13013695 njm said:
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Did he just call us old farts?


That or idiots.

But realizing where it came from came from, you gotta cut some slack if you know what I mean. :)
Goldman predicts a 2.5% drop in UK GDP over two years  
WideRight : 6/29/2016 11:58 am : link
Primarily citing the impact of uncertainty.

I couldn't get past the WSJ paywall either, but a "nice read" from a former diplomat doesn't sound worth it

just throwing this out there  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 12:31 pm : link
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Reuters Business Verified account 
‏@ReutersBiz
BREAKING: Britain's FTSE 100 index recovers all losses from Brexit


8:43 AM - 29 Jun 2016

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Markets reflect no economi fundamentals.  
kicker : 6/29/2016 12:32 pm : link
I would hesitate to put any stock in those numbers.
RE: just throwing this out there  
Patrick77 : 6/29/2016 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13013911 Greg from LI said:
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Reuters Business Verified account 
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BREAKING: Britain's FTSE 100 index recovers all losses from Brexit


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It's the apocalypse, the world economy will halt. Only the elite lizard people will survive.
I don't doubt you on that  
Greg from LI : 6/29/2016 12:36 pm : link
Just wanted to mention it since the market reaction to the initial vote was blathered about quite a bit here.
RE: just throwing this out there  
Deej : 6/29/2016 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13013911 Greg from LI said:
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Reuters Business Verified account 
‏@ReutersBiz
BREAKING: Britain's FTSE 100 index recovers all losses from Brexit


8:43 AM - 29 Jun 2016

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1) I read a few days ago that FTSE 100 is a bad measuring stick because so many of those businesses earn a ton outside Britain. Is Brexit really bad for drugmakers AZ and GSK? Their US subs are still selling the same product in dollars in the US market. FTSE 250 is more broad based. It had a 6/23 high of 17333, fell below 15000 on 6/27, and is now at 16002. So still impaired but bouncing back significantly.

2) The markets are a terrible way to gauge anything other than the markets. Especially in this era to too much capital with nothing (literally) to put it in. Because interest rates are so low, big investors are taking on a lot of risk with equities.
I'm familiar with the fast food industry  
RB^2 : 6/29/2016 1:56 pm : link
Most of the growth opportunities are outside the U.S. But if you want to continue being ignorant, be my guest, though it would be refreshing if it somehow managed to stay off here.
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Victor in CT : 6/29/2016 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13013535 Deej said:
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In comment 13013181 ctc in ftmyers said:


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In comment 13013166 Modus Operandi said:


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That isn't how this works.

Buford stated that business is fleeing the US because of over regulation. This flies in the face of everything that's intuitive.

As compton mentioned, assuming regulation is in fact onerous, large businesses can absorbed the any cost and pass it on. Small businesses like family print shops and pizzarias aren't just going to pick up shop and relocate to Mexico.

We know the cause of jobs moving oversees and it isn't our job to disprove buford's silly assertions. The onus is on her.



That's the easy way or the vindictive way if look at it that way.

And I agree. over regulation is more a main street problem than a wall street problem. Carl Jr's is a prime example, They just expand overseas and their stock will grow and everyone is happy except for those jobs lost on the lower end of the economic scale.

We'll just have to pick up that slack.



Or they get electronic kiosks to replace those workers. BTW, Obamacare and minimum wages are also regulations that cause companies to move jobs overseas. It's not just environmental regulations.

And the comments about 'so you don't want any regulations' are just silly. We are over regulated. Thousands of new regulations are passed each year. Someone who is in business can tell you that. But nothing will convince you if you don't want to believe it.



Lack of free trade agreements also causes jobs to move overseas. One of the auto makers said it was moving some production to Mexico not because of wages but because the Mexican-made cars are cheaper to export than US-made cars because Mexico has more free trade agreements.


How about its because Mexican auto workers make $15 per DAY?
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