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Earl the goat : 6/27/2016 8:56 pm
If KD doesn't sign why not go after a combo of

Bismarck Biyombo and Fournier / Crabbe
Instead of pursuing Noah and Howard who are going to come a lot more expensive
BB is a relentless defender rebounder and shot blocker. Younger and cheaper than above and allows them to pursue a wing like Fournier or Crabbe

BB will do all the dirty work on the defensive end and set the punishing picks for DRose He doesn't need the ball and allows KP and Melo freedom on the offensive end

BB. Center
KP power forward
Melo small forward
Crabbe/ Fournier SG
Derrick Rose PG

Also keeps more cap space available for 2017. I.E. Westbrook
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Just  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 2:56 pm : link
to clarify the only thing I was saying was Phil pivoted when things looked really bad and credit him for that. My disagreement was with the idea that the "plan" was to tank.
Alan  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 2:59 pm : link
Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.
RE: Alan  
Mason : 6/28/2016 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13012753 DanMetroMan said:
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.


What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13012759 Mason said:
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.



What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.


The other day he said Whiteside was a priority for us (nothing since then, nor is there any indication this is the case from anyone else including follow up from Hahn) then he tweeted we will have a meeting with Durant, doesn't appear to be the case at all). Seems like he's throw more shit out there to get people to tune in.. no way could it have something to do with his show headed to television/MSG could it...?
RE: RE: RE: Alan  
Mason : 6/28/2016 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13012768 DanMetroMan said:
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.



What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.



The other day he said Whiteside was a priority for us (nothing since then, nor is there any indication this is the case from anyone else including follow up from Hahn) then he tweeted we will have a meeting with Durant, doesn't appear to be the case at all). Seems like he's throw more shit out there to get people to tune in.. no way could it have something to do with his show headed to television/MSG could it...?


Hmm..last week he said Galloaway wasn't in the Knicks plans but someone posted that Phil stated they wanted Gallo back. He also said after the Rose trade that Noah was the target for center. He does seem to be all over the place.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 3:21 pm : link
first game is Sat at 3PM
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Enzo : 6/28/2016 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13012713 Aspano! said:
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Wrong. Lance was released, then given 2 10-day contracts, and then a rest-of-the-year contract. His contract for this year was around 1.6M. The minimum for a player with his years of service was roughly 1.1M.

wow you are dense. With regard to Thomas' contract, I was obviously talking about the 15/16 deal which, as YOU JUST SAID, was for more than the min. Once again, why give him that if you're not getting something in return?

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Just because they didn't have the same level of experience in the league as Afflalo or D-Will doesn't mean they weren't "prove it" type players. What kind of nonsense argument is that?

Maybe you have your own definition of "prove it contracts" but guys on the fringes of the league and coming off of 10 day contracts are generally not considered in that class. Did you start following this league last month?
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Name one other instance when a player on a minimum contract or barely above minimum contract locked themselves into a multi-year deal at that same rate. One.

Thomas's deal was for 50% more than the min - so giving examples of "barely more than the min" wouldn't be relevant. But if you want current examples there were two transactions THIS WEEK that involved guys who were on deals with team options for tiny amounts: Jordan McCrae and Damjan Rudez. Then there are guys like Norm Powell on Toronto who is on a 3 year deal for $2.5 million total.

Or go back a few years when Chandler Parsons who signed a 4 year deal for $3.6 million as a second rounder (last year was a team option) when second rounders typically do 2 year deals.

And a smart deal for Thomas didn't have to be for barely more than the min. Offer him 4 over 2 years. The guy had barely made any money in his career and was coming off 10 day contracts. A chance at 4 million would have appeal to a guy like that.



RE: RE: RE: Alan  
Enzo : 6/28/2016 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13012768 DanMetroMan said:
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.



What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.



The other day he said Whiteside was a priority for us (nothing since then, nor is there any indication this is the case from anyone else including follow up from Hahn) then he tweeted we will have a meeting with Durant, doesn't appear to be the case at all). Seems like he's throw more shit out there to get people to tune in.. no way could it have something to do with his show headed to television/MSG could it...?

he does seem to be playing to the fans more so than in the past. He knocks Ainge for accumulating picks calling them the "currency of hope" but then gets excited talking about our cap space this summer and next summer.
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Enzo : 6/28/2016 3:47 pm : link
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I mean, the season didn't start off as an extreme disaster - they beat Cleveland in the second or third game of the year.


um, things went badly VERY quickly. By the end of November they were 4-14. And then they only won one game in December.



Right. And as I said, their main piece injured himself in the second game of the year, and their starting PG was basically out for the year by game 7. And their starting 5 looked completely incompetent. How does that change anything that I've said?


Saying the season didn't start off as a disaster when they were in the midst of a long losing streak by the second week of the season is ridiculous.



And I just told you that within the first week, their main piece injured himself and their starting PG went out for the year. Why are you arguing just to argue?

Melo played the first 15 games of the year. Maybe he wasn't 100% but he's played hurt before over long stretches. Botom line - they were awful with him. And what PG went out for the year? Calderon was back by November. What team were you watching?
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:39 pm : link
Small forward Nic Batum

Circumstance: Batum was told the offense would run through him as soon as he was acquired in trade a year ago. He lived up to that responsibility, averaging 14.9 points, 6.1 rebounds and 5.8 assists. His biggest value was taking some responsibility off point guard Kemba Walker, allowing him to become more of an attacking scorer.

Impression: General manager Rich Cho has repeatedly said re-signing Batum is his top priority. Cho said he intends to meet with Batum and his agent as soon as free agency begins July 1. Based on his eight seasons in the NBA, Batum is eligible for a maximum contract in the area of $26 million a season.

Chances of a return: 70 percent. Batum made it clear he’d like to return to play for coach Steve Clifford. The Hornets might not offer him the full max, but they have to come in with something above $20 million a season and five years of guarantees to not be in danger of losing him.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article85959417.html#storylink=cpy
Solomon  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:40 pm : link
Hill looking for 9-13 per and is expected to get it, nuts lol
RE: Solomon  
Deej : 6/28/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13012924 DanMetroMan said:
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Hill looking for 9-13 per and is expected to get it, nuts lol


Well than that is what Lance should expect
Botemps  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:43 pm : link
reporting Horford, Conley and Batum all expected to receive max offers and remain with their current teams.
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Deej : 6/28/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13012921 DanMetroMan said:
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Small forward Nic Batum

Circumstance: Batum was told the offense would run through him as soon as he was acquired in trade a year ago. He lived up to that responsibility, averaging 14.9 points, 6.1 rebounds and 5.8 assists. His biggest value was taking some responsibility off point guard Kemba Walker, allowing him to become more of an attacking scorer.



I hate the concept of Player X is worth more to his team than other teams. But in this case it's fair. Offensively Batum would be a complimentary piece here, perhaps even a spot up guy. He is less valuable to us than he is to the MJs.
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13012929 Deej said:
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Hill looking for 9-13 per and is expected to get it, nuts lol



Well than that is what Lance should expect


Well Hill is a little younger (25, 26 next season) Thomas will be 29 next season but yeah.. Lance Thomas should be able to secure roughly 8-10 per, wow lol
Woj  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:46 pm : link
confirms the Spurs want Gasol. Sure sounds like it's going to happen.
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DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:47 pm : link
The 76ers and Kings reportedly have interest in signing restricted free agent Dion Waiters this offseason.
Waiters is hopeful to return to the Thunder, but the Kings or 76ers could offer him more than he's worth to try and change his mind. Waiters would have the opportunity to start with either of the aforementioned clubs, although that won't necessarily translate to standard league value for the career 41.1 percent shooter.
Source: Michael Scotto on Twitter Jun 28 - 4:44 PM
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Report: Utah will pursue UFA Luol Deng
The Jazz will reportedly pursue Luol Deng during free agency.
Deng has stated on multiple occasions that his preference would be to remain with Miami, but Utah may be able to steel him away from the franchise during the early goings of free agency while the Heat focus their attention on Kevin Durant and Hassan Whiteside. With Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, George Hill and Gordon Hayward already all fighting for touches, Deng would only complicate the equation.
Source: Andy Larson on Twitter Jun 28 - 4:13 PM
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Report: 76ers will go after Harrison Barnes
The 76ers reportedly plan to be "serious suitors" for Harrison Barnes during free agency.
Barnes will be a restricted free agent this offseason, so the Warriors will be able to match any offer he signs on the open market, but Philly could potentially pull him away form the Oakland franchise with a poison pill kind of contract. Barnes' preference would be to remain in Golden State, but he'd have much more opportunity to produce in Philly.
Source: Marc Stein on Twitter Jun 28 - 4:01 PM
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Sam  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:49 pm : link
Amick reports the Knicks are interested in DeRozan but the strong expectation is he's staying in Toronto. He's stated he's not going to meet with other teams and Biyombo apparently has said he will wait until DeRozan and the Raptors work it out.
Hawks  
Deej : 6/28/2016 4:50 pm : link
Mildly surprised Horford isnt taking a chance on a 1+1 deal.

I didnt realize that Horford only made $12 million last year. So his cap hold is only $18 million. If he waits a little to officially sign, he creates an extra $10 million in cap space they can play with. OTOH, Bazemore is just an early bird player, so they cant go over the cap to resign him.
Indications  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 4:53 pm : link
are DeRozan will leave money on the table for Biyombo which would explain Biyombo's patience.
Sixers  
Deej : 6/28/2016 4:55 pm : link
going after RFAs is probably smart. Get out ahead of the teams wading into the UFA pool.

They can probably trade for Waiters for very little. With Oladipo there I'd be surprised if they budget money for Waiters.
RE: Woj  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2016 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13012938 DanMetroMan said:
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confirms the Spurs want Gasol. Sure sounds like it's going to happen.


Supposedly it was spurs or knicks and now it seems knicks are locked on noah...

If spurs sign Gasol that takes them out of the Durant sweepstakes
RE: RE: Woj  
Heisenberg : 6/28/2016 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13012961 nygiants16 said:
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confirms the Spurs want Gasol. Sure sounds like it's going to happen.



Supposedly it was spurs or knicks and now it seems knicks are locked on noah...

If spurs sign Gasol that takes them out of the Durant sweepstakes


That would depend on the amount he signs for and if they can clear room by dumping some others.
Pau to the Spurs  
Deej : 6/28/2016 5:01 pm : link
should raise a little question re whether they will resign Boban Marjanovic.
I don't think the Spurs have the legs  
bceagle05 : 6/28/2016 5:01 pm : link
to keep up with OKC and Golden State anymore. Adding Gasol doesn't exactly help the cause, but they'll still win their 60+ games.
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2016 5:01 pm : link
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confirms the Spurs want Gasol. Sure sounds like it's going to happen.



Supposedly it was spurs or knicks and now it seems knicks are locked on noah...

If spurs sign Gasol that takes them out of the Durant sweepstakes



That would depend on the amount he signs for and if they can clear room by dumping some others.


Do you realize how much they have to dump just to get to a max for
Durant?
Boban is paid with raw meat and occasionally little children  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2016 5:02 pm : link
To frighten. Shouldn't be a cap impact for that.
RE: Boban is paid with raw meat and occasionally little children  
Deej : 6/28/2016 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13012971 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To frighten. Shouldn't be a cap impact for that.


Weaknesses include closing out on shooters, fire.
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Deej : 6/28/2016 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13012970 nygiants16 said:
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Do you realize how much they have to dump just to get to a max for
Durant?


If Duncan and Manu want to retire, it's not a ton more. Maybe Diaw. I figured it out once.
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2016 5:12 pm : link
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Do you realize how much they have to dump just to get to a max for
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If Duncan and Manu want to retire, it's not a ton more. Maybe Diaw. I figured it out once.


It's diaw and green because they would have so many cap holds, diaw and mills is not enough...

Duncan retiring gives them 20 million in space not taking holds into account, or their first round pick....

Supposedly  
DanMetroMan : 6/28/2016 5:14 pm : link
the feeling is Manu is coming back and Duncan is 50/50
RE: Solomon  
Mason : 6/28/2016 5:30 pm : link
In comment 13012924 DanMetroMan said:
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Hill looking for 9-13 per and is expected to get it, nuts lol


Good lord.
When people were wondering who in hell  
giantsfan44ab : 6/28/2016 5:53 pm : link
Would give Barnes a max philly came to mind right away. Don't think it's a bad play for them either. Don't see who they are going to pay anytime soon.
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Deej : 6/28/2016 5:57 pm : link
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Would give Barnes a max philly came to mind right away. Don't think it's a bad play for them either. Don't see who they are going to pay anytime soon.


Yeah. He is at least decent. Waiters is a bad player.

Barnes on a max deal with no clear star I think could be asking for trouble though. Unfair expectations could make him very unhappy.
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giantsfan44ab : 6/28/2016 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13013038 Deej said:
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Would give Barnes a max philly came to mind right away. Don't think it's a bad play for them either. Don't see who they are going to pay anytime soon.



Yeah. He is at least decent. Waiters is a bad player.

Barnes on a max deal with no clear star I think could be asking for trouble though. Unfair expectations could make him very unhappy.


There's no telling what Barnes looks like on a team without stars, but I think Simmons gains control of that team day 1. Barnes I think is a Luol Deng glue guy type. Probably higher ceiling, lower floor. But he's 23, he can really blossom on the Sixers. Think they can become pretty respectable pretty quickly if they land him. 25-33 wins.
Who gives a shit if Phil got lucky with landing KP?  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 6/28/2016 6:54 pm : link
Don't all teams get lucky when they land their respective stars?
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2016 9:40 pm : link
According to Windhorst wade and heat have not been able to find common ground on a deal and he has let it be known he will be open to other offers...not really a fit with rose but still interesting

According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes
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hitdog42 : 6/28/2016 9:47 pm : link
In comment 13013188 nygiants16 said:
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According to Windhorst wade and heat have not been able to find common ground on a deal and he has let it be known he will be open to other offers...not really a fit with rose but still interesting

According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes


Maybe marks will work with the Spurs and trade them jack for a salary and an asset - they can them wave jack
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giantsfan44ab : 6/28/2016 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13013188 nygiants16 said:
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According to Windhorst wade and heat have not been able to find common ground on a deal and he has let it be known he will be open to other offers...not really a fit with rose but still interesting

According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes


Hmm Wade to Indy is interesting
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nygiants16 : 6/28/2016 10:07 pm : link
In comment 13013194 hitdog42 said:
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According to Windhorst wade and heat have not been able to find common ground on a deal and he has let it be known he will be open to other offers...not really a fit with rose but still interesting

According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes



Maybe marks will work with the Spurs and trade them jack for a salary and an asset - they can them wave jack


Doesn't get them anywhere near enough money
Signing anyone especially someone  
slickwilly : 6/28/2016 10:16 pm : link
like Noah for multiple years is so short sighted. Especially after the Rose trade who is probably a one year hope it works out deal. Next year is the time to have max cap space to try and pull a Miami and bring in two studs to join Melo and hopefully and difference maker in KP. This Noah and Batum, etc. nonsense gets them to the playoffs, but still so far from a championship. Build something that can be elite otherwise it's just another few playoff games to line Dolan's pockets.
Wade is just posturing to get another fat and probably overpaid deal  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/28/2016 10:20 pm : link
from Miami. It's becoming an annual ritual. He threatens to leave town because he feels disrespected, the Heat want to pay him what he's actually worth instead of paying him for past accomplishments, but also don't want to let the old hometown star leave. There will be twitter jabbing and rumors, and eventually Riley will overpay to keep him.
Wade is t going to go just anywhere  
Italianju : 6/28/2016 10:28 pm : link
So I don't know what his options are. He will end up back in Miami. That said if whiteside leaves I don't see Miami as being very good but they will just overpay to keep him.
I agree I don't think he goes anywhers  
nygiants16 : 6/28/2016 10:46 pm : link
But miami is in a weird spot, do they just pay wade and whiteside and go into next season with the same team sans deng...

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giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2016 1:15 am : link
In comment 13013234 nygiants16 said:
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But miami is in a weird spot, do they just pay wade and whiteside and go into next season with the same team sans deng...


Yup. Which is one of the reasons I see the top seeds in the east wide open. Miami, Charlotte, Atlanta and Toronto all have a lot to lose and little to gain this offseason.
Yea  
kporzee : 6/29/2016 7:16 am : link
I don't buy Wade would go anywhere.
I wouldn't mind wade  
Carl in CT : 6/29/2016 8:14 am : link
And Noah on short 1 and 1 deals. (We would need creative math). Assuming no KD.
According to LeBatard, who's show I listen to daily  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/29/2016 8:33 am : link
The Heat don't value Whiteside as a max player, and they're worried he might check out mentally once he gets paid. But they're fully aware he's going to get maximum offers from outside, and they might be forced to.
not the same player  
djm : 6/29/2016 10:01 am : link
but Whiteside has a bit of a Rodman type aura about him. Teams will be leery of him but the right fit could see his career reach borderline legendary status while the wrong place could see him sink to pretty low levels. Rodman was either released or traded for little when he was a Spur while he was irreplaceable on the Bulls...
and Pistons  
djm : 6/29/2016 10:01 am : link
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