If KD doesn't sign why not go after a combo of
Bismarck Biyombo and Fournier / Crabbe
Instead of pursuing Noah and Howard who are going to come a lot more expensive
BB is a relentless defender rebounder and shot blocker. Younger and cheaper than above and allows them to pursue a wing like Fournier or Crabbe
BB will do all the dirty work on the defensive end and set the punishing picks for DRose He doesn't need the ball and allows KP and Melo freedom on the offensive end
BB. Center
KP power forward
Melo small forward
Crabbe/ Fournier SG
Derrick Rose PG
Also keeps more cap space available for 2017. I.E. Westbrook
I'd go with Gasol and Crawford.
I think those two improve the team as much as any other combo being mentioned (other than Durant, obviously) and you can probably get both of them on shorterm deals
Crawford is not going to come here for any kind of discount -- in fact, with the league awash in cap space and a higher cap number -- people are going to be stunned by who gets max contracts, and who gets huge $$ that outsize their talent. Pure supply and demand.
Knicks best bet is Noah to replace Lopez, hopefully at the same number, and a young defender at the 2, like Bazemore.
Rose ai Melo kp noah
Still have a little room to fill out rest of roster
I expect noah to be a knick by Friday morning
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read an article that said that Noah was the Knicks #1 target in FA.
I expect noah to be a knick by Friday morning
For how much, is the pertinent question
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read an article that said that Noah was the Knicks #1 target in FA.
I expect noah to be a knick by Friday morning
Hes also apparently the #1 target of the Wizards. Dont get into a bidding war. That would be crazy.
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There was never a chance that ORL would let fournier go. Even if they dont want to sign him (they do) then you either sign him and then trade him in december or at least do a S&T to someone. This is the same reason i dont think crabbe is an option. It just doesnt make sense for a team to lose an asset for nothing.
wouldn't shock me if Mozgov beats his number too. Maybe even Mahinmi.
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Give me Bazemore then
I don't see a big market among top teams for a 3 and D guard and I don't see why a bottom feeder would give $70M to a 30 year old guard that averages 8 points a game.
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I don't think that's very shocking. Lopez is on a value deal. Noah is an accomplished former all star in a new, money-flushed market. He's certainly going to get paid. It's just a matter of how much it's going to hurt.
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I don't think that's very shocking. Lopez is on a value deal. Noah is an accomplished former all star in a new, money-flushed market. He's certainly going to get paid. It's just a matter of how much it's going to hurt.
Well quite a few people on here were talking about Noah as some "cheap" or even a 1 year deal. I suspect 3 for 45-ish is the baseline.
I'd love Noah on this team, but am weary of the type of price and length of contract.
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insists Noah will get more AAV than Lopez.
I don't think that's very shocking. Lopez is on a value deal. Noah is an accomplished former all star in a new, money-flushed market. He's certainly going to get paid. It's just a matter of how much it's going to hurt.
Well quite a few people on here were talking about Noah as some "cheap" or even a 1 year deal. I suspect 3 for 45-ish is the baseline.
He's too young to settle for a veteran's special type contract. Not like he's 35 and on his last legs. I agree with your guess.
Noah will get at least Lopez money. He's a better player than RoLo when healthy. Someone will take a chance on his health.
Heck if Lee and Bazemore are costing upwards of $18M a year Id consider him for the starting spot. Health is the concern as is defense but he's a knockdown combo guard.
Let's trade for Tony Snell and Deng too!
I know the status quo on here is to shit on Monroe since the Bucks didn't make the playoffs but I actually think he had a really nice season. For what he's getting paid, playing him as your 6th man isn't that egregious. They didn't start doing that till the season was almost over but a 15 and 9 guy off the bench can't hurt despite his flaws.
There was never a chance that ORL would let fournier go. Even if they dont want to sign him (they do) then you either sign him and then trade him in december or at least do a S&T to someone. This is the same reason i dont think crabbe is an option. It just doesnt make sense for a team to lose an asset for nothing.
maybe the mystery big man is Biyambo?
Bogut is a part time player at this point. He's injury prone and his minutes need to be heavily, heavily managed. He hasn't averaged 30 minutes per night since 2011-2012 (23.7 per night since then).
Agree completely. Like I said as well, I think you can get home court advantage if we got Noah and Bazemore (assuming decent health).
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They likely need to dump Bogut. He could be a fit with the Knicks.
Bogut is a part time player at this point. He's injury prone and his minutes need to be heavily, heavily managed. He hasn't averaged 30 minutes per night since 2011-2012 (23.7 per night since then).
But if Hornacek wants to get out and run (which he's said) and also sees KP playing at the 5 as well, I think Bogut is a great addition because you would most likely look to play him around 20 - 25 minutes.
Kp and noah would be a tough front line
Kp and noah would be a tough front line
Bazemore brings out some really good offensive nights scoring in the 20s. Very shifty in transition and willing passer. Would be one of the best rebounding guards in the league at the 2. His career per 36 numbers suggest he can be a 15 6 and 3 player. I think he's more than worth it.
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
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I would do koq for Livingston have to think knicks would to, have to think noah and kp will get most of the minutes at the 5
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Agree on this.
No interest in Bazemore for 15M. I'd rather roll with Galloway for free.
Yep. I would love to land Livingston and McCraw.
Eric Gordon if he would come cheap I would bring him in to
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Yep. I would love to land Livingston and McCraw.
I honestly think it's a fair deal
Eric Gordon if he would come cheap I would bring him in to
Had a terrible year but I agree. I wouldn't mind rolling the dice on a 1-2 guards who had down years. Mayo isn't anything special but he's been solid in the past. Problem with a lot of these names is they are ALL very injury prone. How can we rely on Noah, Rose and Eric Gordon? Yikes.
Yup. If him and Lee are in the same price range give me Bazemore. He can play the 2 and 3. Him, Noah and rose can really push the pace in transition instead of just stalling into half court sets everytime Melo gets the rebound.
I find it hard to believe Gordon is going to settle for a bench role/bench money at 27 years old coming off a "solid" season. I mean he is INSANELY injury prone
Kind of hard to see but hyperlinked a bigger one.
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Felton has an excuse too. His cheeks were packed with cupcakes.
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when he was playing with a mask because of blurred vision that season?
Felton has an excuse too. His cheeks were packed with cupcakes.
To be fair he was going through problems at home. Maybe he had to dine on alot of McDonald and Wendy meals. That could explain his rapid weight gain during the season.
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So it's interesting to compare Felton when he was a starting guard for the Knicks during their best season in 16 years (and when they had their best roster) to Rose's first year under a new coach after a 2+ year layoff when he was coming back from multiple surgeries?
Is this for real?
That's fair, but he helps you in many other areas when his shot isn't falling. i'd like to get one player that's trending up this offseason, not down.
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
The caveat being that if you already have a contending roster in place, it might not be the worst thing to resign them for a bit more money.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
The caveat being that if you already have a contending roster in place, it might not be the worst thing to resign them for a bit more money.
I'm saying this because I'm not exactly sure, but was lance Thomas even a good defender? I mean he had the tools of a good defender-size, wingspan, lateral quickness. But he never really stood out on the court to me in that respect.
Anyway- if sign up for Rays performance that year from Derrick and that seems to me to be a reasonable upside to Rose for this season.
Anyway- if sign up for Rays performance that year from Derrick and that seems to me to be a reasonable upside to Rose for this season.
You mean since the first ACL tear or career? Because he's had 4 seasons above 50%
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
The caveat being that if you already have a contending roster in place, it might not be the worst thing to resign them for a bit more money.
I'm saying this because I'm not exactly sure, but was lance Thomas even a good defender? I mean he had the tools of a good defender-size, wingspan, lateral quickness. But he never really stood out on the court to me in that respect.
Lance is a very good defender. At one point he had one of the highest FG% differentials in the league, although he came back down to earth later in the season. And his injury in January basically coincided with the team shitting the bed for the rest of the year.
I think he's more the type of player that you need to watch to see his value. Very similar to RoLo in that regard.
And on the other side, prior to his injury he was close to having a 50-40-90 season.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
would have been nice if the front office had locked up Lance or Galloway with at least a team option for this year.
It's a slow progression and I get the frustration but really you can see the Knicks are gaining slow progress from an asset mgmt pov. Look at all the picks we have in the coffers over the next few years. And a shit load of cap room here and later.
I know we sucked but it does feel good to have all this breathing room in regards to the cap and looming picks. Hope the KNicks can take advantage of this opportunity.
It may be premature but I don't think he exceed $8-10M a year. He's the same age as Bazemore. I like him a lot more than Galloway.
keep setting that bar low! And it's not like we're dealing with a large sample size. It's only last summer you can look at where he had the room to give out contracts.
what about the second rounder they traded to dump Outlaw's contract two years ago? They could have just waived him but instead they wanted to save the $$.
in terms of second rounders, we're actually operating at a deficit thanks to the Outlaw and Willy trades. Not criticizing the Willy trade, but that's the current outlook.
this is like the old Chris Rock joke - "I take care of my kids!"
The whole league has cap room. And being careful with draft picks is sort of the bare minim when it comes to competent NBA front office management.
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
Sorry I meant month, not season. Last season, second half included, he only had one month of TS% above .500
What the hell did you expect here essentially 2 years? The Knicks were completely barren. Now they aren't. Isn't that itself a sign of progress? You can't hit 1000 on all the moves.
Don't bother i'm done with you.
And I remember a time when everyone but the Knicks had cap room. I said it's fucking baby steps.
What the hell did you expect here essentially 2 years? The Knicks were completely barren. Now they aren't. Isn't that itself a sign of progress? You can't hit 1000 on all the moves.
"not fucking up" is not progress.
What long term assets are on the roster? KP, which he got by accident, and Melo, who's here on a contract that includes every conceivable perk that gives Melo complete control over his future. Signing Afflalo and Williams weren't horrendous Layden/Isiah moves, but they accomplished nothing. Look around the league and see how other non-contenders utilize cap space when they're rebuilding.
And I remember a time when everyone but the Knicks had cap room. I said it's fucking baby steps.
Team
Maximum Cap Space
LA Lakers
$62,613,020
Philadelphia
$61,220,813
Dallas
$56,230,396
Boston
$53,397,958
Orlando
$50,354,805
Houston
$41,227,808
Washington
$40,103,848
Charlotte
$39,830,474
Portland
$39,784,459
Brooklyn
$38,277,194
Memphis
$38,082,020
Miami
$36,643,557
Atlanta
$35,124,459
Phoenix
$33,713,388
Toronto
$32,385,182
Utah
$31,895,769
Denver
$31,776,000
New York
$30,372,607
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If the outcomes were on a normal distribution curve the probability of him returning to that player is all the way in the right tail.
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
Sorry I meant month, not season. Last season, second half included, he only had one month of TS% above .500
That's not even true. His TS% was .526 in January, .508 in February, .511 in March. The only times it was under 50% was when he was wearing the mask, and in a small 3 games sample in April.
better than Isiah? Sure. Compared to the better run teams in the league. Not even close. If you were familiar with the rest of the league you might be aware of this.
again, setting bar low. There are teams that acquire EXTRA picks. Why not try to be one of those teams?
which was a result of an accidental tank. Phil was trying to make the playoffs that year. That doesn't alarm you?
Sorry if facts bother you that much. What a fucking baby...
Don't bother i'm done with you.
I think the issue is- what are we doing with those assets, that money and the best young player in 30 years?
We're still trying to build around Melo's timeline, we're rolling the dice on injured players, maybe signing them to long term deals.
I think every single person is 10000% on board with KP. The question is- are we patient or are we trying another short term fix for the 135252351 time since we traded Ewing?
when I say "accident", it's because they only ended up with a pick that high because Phil's plan to make the playoffs that season blew up in his face.
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You have to give him that. He trusted his staff that KP was the right pick.
when I say "accident", it's because they only ended up with a pick that high because Phil's plan to make the playoffs that season blew up in his face.
Oh, lol. Yeah, I suppose that's true.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
would have been nice if the front office had locked up Lance or Galloway with at least a team option for this year.
So your complaint now is that they didn't lock up Galloway and Thomas for multiple years at their current rate, which was slightly above minimum salary? Jesus.
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You're glossing over points with your agenda. The Knicks are unquestionably better from an asset mgmt POV. Are the KNicks in good financially shape and do they or don't they have more picks looming then we can ever remember? Simple fucking question. Oh yea and they have the best young player this franchise has sniffed in 30 fucking years.
Don't bother i'm done with you.
I think the issue is- what are we doing with those assets, that money and the best young player in 30 years?
We're still trying to build around Melo's timeline, we're rolling the dice on injured players, maybe signing them to long term deals.
I think every single person is 10000% on board with KP. The question is- are we patient or are we trying another short term fix for the 135252351 time since we traded Ewing?
What exactly has Phil done that is hurting the team in the long term? We have retained all of our draft picks going forward, the cap is clear other than Melo and Porzingis starting next year, and if anything, being competitive this year and letting Porzingis play meaningful minutes will only help his development.
If they go out and hand out bad long term contracts this summer, then yeah you can start to criticize Jackson for not building around Porzingis. Looks to me like he has done a good job so far of putting a team that can be competitive in the short term while still leaving flexibility for the long term.
I never got the whole 'we got to give a GM credit for earning a high draft pick.' It's basically telling someone they did a great job at farting in the wind.
No Sam Hinkie did not do a great job in Philly either.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
would have been nice if the front office had locked up Lance or Galloway with at least a team option for this year.
So your complaint now is that they didn't lock up Galloway and Thomas for multiple years at their current rate, which was slightly above minimum salary? Jesus.
I know...it's too much to ask of Phil to do something smart like that.
2) Trading for Rose will lead to signing more guys like Noah, other stop gap type players to multi year contracts that will hurt that same flexibility, and whose timeline doesn't line up with KP.
3) Wont go into the same convo but Grant and Lopez are definitely assets. You'll see how much of an asset Lopez is when Noah is making nearly double what Lopez is. The contracts about to be handed out are gonna be crazy.
2) Trading for Rose will lead to signing more guys like Noah, other stop gap type players to multi year contracts that will hurt that same flexibility, and whose timeline doesn't line up with KP.
3) Wont go into the same convo but Grant and Lopez are definitely assets. You'll see how much of an asset Lopez is when Noah is making nearly double what Lopez is. The contracts about to be handed out are gonna be crazy.
You think Noah will make close to 28 mil per year?
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You're glossing over points with your agenda. The Knicks are unquestionably better from an asset mgmt POV. Are the KNicks in good financially shape and do they or don't they have more picks looming then we can ever remember? Simple fucking question. Oh yea and they have the best young player this franchise has sniffed in 30 fucking years.
Don't bother i'm done with you.
I think the issue is- what are we doing with those assets, that money and the best young player in 30 years?
We're still trying to build around Melo's timeline, we're rolling the dice on injured players, maybe signing them to long term deals.
I think every single person is 10000% on board with KP. The question is- are we patient or are we trying another short term fix for the 135252351 time since we traded Ewing?
What exactly has Phil done that is hurting the team in the long term? We have retained all of our draft picks going forward,
not second rounders.
O'Quinn? And as it's been stated a million times, when everyone has cap space, cap space is not really an asset.
If they go out and hand out bad long term contracts this summer, then yeah you can start to criticize Jackson for not building around Porzingis. Looks to me like he has done a good job so far of putting a team that can be competitive in the short term while still leaving flexibility for the long term.
in order to be competitive in the short term, we're going to need a LOT more than what is currently on the roster. I'm hoping for good players on smart deals. Let's see what happens this summer.
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
I never got the whole 'we got to give a GM credit for earning a high draft pick.' It's basically telling someone they did a great job at farting in the wind.
No Sam Hinkie did not do a great job in Philly either.
Hey I'll never take credit away from a GM/president making a great pick. Even if Phil 100% deferred to Gaines or whomever, props to him for putting a guy in position to recommend such a strong prospect. That said there is 0.00% argument to be had that Phil went into the 2015 season with the plan being "let's tank and get a high pick". It's just not true. He didn't trade for a 33 year old Jose Calderon and 34 year old Dalembert to tank. The 2014-2015 Knicks did not have good talent, but to start the season that was not viewed as an awful roster. Most expected us to challenge for the playoffs.
Melo, JR Smith, Shumpert, Dalembert coming off a solid season, Calderon (before we knew he was shot), Amare, Jason Smith coming off a solid season etc etc
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If the outcomes were on a normal distribution curve the probability of him returning to that player is all the way in the right tail.
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
Sorry I meant month, not season. Last season, second half included, he only had one month of TS% above .500
That's not even true. His TS% was .526 in January, .508 in February, .511 in March. The only times it was under 50% was when he was wearing the mask, and in a small 3 games sample in April.
I wonder what happened down the stretch because in his last 7 games he shot 33.3% from the field and 20% from 3.
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1) Trading for Rose bumps KP to the third option most likely. I have trouble seeing how a guy like Rose will lead to MORE shots for KP unless he dramatically changes his game. This is irrelevant to how well he plays- he's not Chris Paul, thats not his game.
2) Trading for Rose will lead to signing more guys like Noah, other stop gap type players to multi year contracts that will hurt that same flexibility, and whose timeline doesn't line up with KP.
3) Wont go into the same convo but Grant and Lopez are definitely assets. You'll see how much of an asset Lopez is when Noah is making nearly double what Lopez is. The contracts about to be handed out are gonna be crazy.
You think Noah will make close to 28 mil per year?
From the way people are talking about this cap situation, I absolutely would not be surprised if Noah gets well above 20 per year.
The only long-term move Phil made prior to the 2015 draft was the Chandler-Calderon trade. What other move could possibly be considered a "win now" move?
If anyone is going to kill Phil, they must first acknowledge that the biggest problem the team had is not having 1st round picks in 2 of the past 3 seasons. It would be one thing if that was Phil's fault, but those picks were traded before he took over.
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
I never got the whole 'we got to give a GM credit for earning a high draft pick.' It's basically telling someone they did a great job at farting in the wind.
No Sam Hinkie did not do a great job in Philly either.
Wait 3 years before you decide on what Hinkie did and didn't do. They're future is 10 times brighter than ours.
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
The only long-term move Phil made prior to the 2015 draft was the Chandler-Calderon trade. What other move could possibly be considered a "win now" move?
If anyone is going to kill Phil, they must first acknowledge that the biggest problem the team had is not having 1st round picks in 2 of the past 3 seasons. It would be one thing if that was Phil's fault, but those picks were traded before he took over.
So trading a rookie for a 27 year old high risk/high reward type player isn't a win now move?
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
The only long-term move Phil made prior to the 2015 draft was the Chandler-Calderon trade. What other move could possibly be considered a "win now" move?
If anyone is going to kill Phil, they must first acknowledge that the biggest problem the team had is not having 1st round picks in 2 of the past 3 seasons. It would be one thing if that was Phil's fault, but those picks were traded before he took over.
Win now? Win now and "tank" are 2 totally different things. The 2014-2015 Knicks were projected by EVERYONE to challenge for the playoffs (as they should have). Totally revisionist to suggest there was a plan to tank for a high pick. Who is killing him? I'm stating facts.
I'm also surprised at what Phil said the other day about trying to build around Melo. Doesn't this seem like a change of direction?
Although if something major happens, you can just tank like last year and nab a top pick before loading up on cap space for next season ala Spurs with Tim duncan
"WILL THE NEW YORK TEAMS MAKE THE PLAYOFFS? WHICH WILL BE BETTER IN THREE YEARS?
Ziller: I could see the Knicks being a late playoff seed because of the offense and Carmelo Anthony, assuming the two things fit. The Nets continue to watch Brook Lopez with one eye closed, but I'd argue they upgraded at head coach by hiring Lionel Hollins. In three years though, the Nets might be in a strip-it-down rebuild as those fat contracts expire (and possibly under new management), while the Knicks should be putting the finishing touches on Melo's final runs at the trophy."
WHO WILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS?
Ziller: In order of my predicted seeds: Chicago, Cleveland, Washington, Charlotte, Toronto, Miami, New York, Detroit.
Flannery: Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, Toronto, Washington, Atlanta, Charlotte, Brooklyn.
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I'm also surprised at what Phil said the other day about trying to build around Melo. Doesn't this seem like a change of direction?
Is this sarcasm? This FO, including Phi, has been building around Melo since Melo was still in Denver.
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really hope they resist chasing "names" that are ALWAYS injured. Rose + Gordon + Noah + Melo (who tends to get dinged no knock on him) sounds like an upgraded team on paper but also potentially an absolute disaster. Even KP seems to get dinged a bit. I'd avoid stocking up on fragile players.
Although if something major happens, you can just tank like last year and nab a top pick before loading up on cap space for next season ala Spurs with Tim duncan
Yet in this case you'd be stuck with guys like Noah (could easily really be in decline mode) or Gordon for multiple years going forward. Rose goes down, so be it. Locked into guys multiple years can really hurt. Eric Gordon isn't very good AND is injury prone. Terrible combo. Because he was a high pick he somehow has "big upside" only he's going to get his 10-15 million per for multiple years.
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
I never got the whole 'we got to give a GM credit for earning a high draft pick.' It's basically telling someone they did a great job at farting in the wind.
No Sam Hinkie did not do a great job in Philly either.
Wait 3 years before you decide on what Hinkie did and didn't do. They're future is 10 times brighter than ours.
You don't get props for losing and tanking. No one ran out to give Balyor kudos for sucking so long to constantly land great picks.
Drafted 3 centers in 3 years in the lottery. Philly is looking to dump Noel and/or Okafor now.
I'm also surprised at what Phil said the other day about trying to build around Melo. Doesn't this seem like a change of direction?
It absolutely is. More than willing to believe he got a directive from above to field a competitive team. Too many "un-phil" things happening all of a sudden. Moving away from the triangle, trading away a big for a small when Phil has always loved frontcourt players, rolling the dice on a big-name PG when he talked down the idea to anyone who would listen. Something's not kosher.
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Because those guys were talked up as big steps in the 'right direction.' If they weren't then were they bad moves?
I'm also surprised at what Phil said the other day about trying to build around Melo. Doesn't this seem like a change of direction?
Is this sarcasm? This FO, including Phi, has been building around Melo since Melo was still in Denver.
Nope. I thought they wanted to trade Melo. So when did this change?
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
I never got the whole 'we got to give a GM credit for earning a high draft pick.' It's basically telling someone they did a great job at farting in the wind.
No Sam Hinkie did not do a great job in Philly either.
Wait 3 years before you decide on what Hinkie did and didn't do. They're future is 10 times brighter than ours.
You don't get props for losing and tanking. No one ran out to give Balyor kudos for sucking so long to constantly land great picks.
Drafted 3 centers in 3 years in the lottery. Philly is looking to dump Noel and/or Okafor now.
You don't get props for losing and tanking? Hmm how did the team that just won the championship build their current roster? How did the Wolves, who just landed the premier HC available, get their current assets? These teams that have tanked have sure gotten a lot of props and turnaround in perception by coaches and free agents.
Just because philly has been vocal about it doesn't mean they've been doing anything unique.
Just because they're trying to trade those players doesn't mean they're giving up on them. They've identified the players they are going to build around. Heck, two of them haven't even played a game in the NBA yet. But they have control of both those players for another 6-8 year if they extend them. That's a big window to get the right trade to solidify the rest of their roster.
Win now? Win now and "tank" are 2 totally different things. The 2014-2015 Knicks were projected by EVERYONE to challenge for the playoffs (as they should have). Totally revisionist to suggest there was a plan to tank for a high pick. Who is killing him? I'm stating facts.
Look at that roster now and see if that sounded like a playoff team (definitely hindsight, but that roster doesn't read like a playoff team in any era). I'm not going to kill Phil because JR Smith embarrassed himself on and off the court, Iman Shumpert showed zero improvement, and THJ inexplicably fell off the map. It's not as if he signed over the hill players to massive contracts for the sole purpose of making a playoff run.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
would have been nice if the front office had locked up Lance or Galloway with at least a team option for this year.
So your complaint now is that they didn't lock up Galloway and Thomas for multiple years at their current rate, which was slightly above minimum salary? Jesus.
I know...it's too much to ask of Phil to do something smart like that.
No. The problem is that this thought process is basically the NBA FA equivalent of "THE TEAM SHOULD HAVE JUST TRADED DOWN." There are two sides to contract negotiations.
Firstly, why would any player lock themselves into a multi-year minimum deal? Even without a huge cap jump, there's absolutely no upside for the player to do that. Which is why minimum deals are usually one year in the first place.
Secondly, considering there was a HUGE cap jump, why would a player potentially lock themselves into a shit rate? Even if they barely play, they can sign another minimum deal for more money the next year.
This logic makes zero sense. You're faulting the Knicks FO for not having its "prove it" players not lock themselves into contracts that would effectively strip them of any potential upside for them if they were to play well.
I hope your job doesn't require any type of negotiation aspect, because you'd be laughed out of any meeting with this type of mindset.
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Win now? Win now and "tank" are 2 totally different things. The 2014-2015 Knicks were projected by EVERYONE to challenge for the playoffs (as they should have). Totally revisionist to suggest there was a plan to tank for a high pick. Who is killing him? I'm stating facts.
Look at that roster now and see if that sounded like a playoff team (definitely hindsight, but that roster doesn't read like a playoff team in any era). I'm not going to kill Phil because JR Smith embarrassed himself on and off the court, Iman Shumpert showed zero improvement, and THJ inexplicably fell off the map. It's not as if he signed over the hill players to massive contracts for the sole purpose of making a playoff run.
Again we are arguing 2 different points. My point is Phil did not go into that season with the goal being "lets be really bad and get a high pick". That roster looked like a mediocre roster with a chance to challenge for the playoffs. It looks terrible now because Dalembert went from decent to finished (there were even some saying Dalembert represented an upgrade at C (Calderon was coming off 1 down season that many expected him to bounce back from). I can honestly say I don't remember a single Knicks fan on here, optimist, pessimist (and everything in between) that was saying "wow the roster is awful, we won't even challenge for the 8 seed". Also, Melo missed 42 games and looked like crap for much of them
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Win now? Win now and "tank" are 2 totally different things. The 2014-2015 Knicks were projected by EVERYONE to challenge for the playoffs (as they should have). Totally revisionist to suggest there was a plan to tank for a high pick. Who is killing him? I'm stating facts.
Look at that roster now and see if that sounded like a playoff team (definitely hindsight, but that roster doesn't read like a playoff team in any era). I'm not going to kill Phil because JR Smith embarrassed himself on and off the court, Iman Shumpert showed zero improvement, and THJ inexplicably fell off the map. It's not as if he signed over the hill players to massive contracts for the sole purpose of making a playoff run.
Again we are arguing 2 different points. My point is Phil did not go into that season with the goal being "lets be really bad and get a high pick". That roster looked like a mediocre roster with a chance to challenge for the playoffs. It looks terrible now because Dalembert went from decent to finished (there were even some saying Dalembert represented an upgrade at C (Calderon was coming off 1 down season that many expected him to bounce back from). I can honestly say I don't remember a single Knicks fan on here, optimist, pessimist (and everything in between) that was saying "wow the roster is awful, we won't even challenge for the 8 seed". Also, Melo missed 42 games and looked like crap for much of them
They didn't go into the season trying to tank. They thought Dalembert could be serviceable at the 5 (he wasn't), thought Melo would have a strong year (he got injured in the 2nd game of the season I believe), and thought Calderon would have some effect in the backcourt (his year basically ended in the 7th game). I mean, the season didn't start off as an extreme disaster - they beat Cleveland in the second or third game of the year.
That's complete bullshit. How many of these so called building block players were signed long term or had a lot invested in them?
Just because Phil said he expected the Knicks to compete in the playoffs doesn't mean invested heavily in those players.
Phil has done a pretty good job here. There were plenty of ways he could have fucked this franchise like so many before him have done. The Knicks were all but impossible to fix overnight just fucking admit that. They might be good sooner than later I know that's impossible to believe.
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point is 100% valid. Phil was not putting together a "tank for a high pick" roster and anyone who claims otherwise is lying to themselves. Great pick but that wasn't the plan. To "pick high".
That's complete bullshit. How many of these so called building block players were signed long term or had a lot invested in them?
Just because Phil said he expected the Knicks to compete in the playoffs doesn't mean invested heavily in those players.
Phil has done a pretty good job here. There were plenty of ways he could have fucked this franchise like so many before him have done. The Knicks were all but impossible to fix overnight just fucking admit that. They might be good sooner than later I know that's impossible to believe.
What in the hell are you talking about? Do you just ignore what people write to posit whatever it is you are going to say? The 2014-2015 Knicks roster was NOT a "tank for a high pick roster" what does that have to do with being building blocks or long term pieces? What does that have to do with "investing a lot in them". The Knicks roster was built to win games, NOT to have a top 5 pick. They were awful and the outcome was different than expected. Truly strange response.
um, things went badly VERY quickly. By the end of November they were 4-14. And then they only won one game in December.
Great, Phil said the Knicks would be good and they weren't. The Sixers say they wanted to suck forever and they have. Good for them. Should we canonize the sixers front office because they admitted they sucked every year? Who the hell cares. The Knicks were always a work in progress and anyone fan with a clue would know that. The Knicks weren't winning an NBA title early. They weren't winning the division early.
Ill say it again. Phil has the Knicks headed in the right direction. They have all their picks, money, a young franchise player and they still have Melo. They could have done a lot worse these last few years which means they did more than good than bad. A lot more.
I didn't think he was an upgrade, but I hated Chandler so much because of the previous season that I didn't give a shit who played center as long as it wasn't Tyson.
Even if Phil thought that roster was going to compete, I'm not going to kill him because it ended up being an abomination for 1 simple reason... he didn't pour a bunch of resources into it hoping for a winner. He basically made 2 trades, one centered around a malcontent who needed to go anyway. And I'm not particularly hung up on how they got KP. I'm just glad they got him because it wasn't exactly a no-brainer that KP was going to be a star.
He says this and you guys kill him for that.
Great, Phil said the Knicks would be good and they weren't. The Sixers say they wanted to suck forever and they have. Good for them. Should we canonize the sixers front office because they admitted they sucked every year? Who the hell cares. The Knicks were always a work in progress and anyone fan with a clue would know that. The Knicks weren't winning an NBA title early. They weren't winning the division early.
Ill say it again. Phil has the Knicks headed in the right direction. They have all their picks, money, a young franchise player and they still have Melo. They could have done a lot worse these last few years which means they did more than good than bad. A lot more.
Again... HUH? Who is blaming anyone for anything. Enzo stated Phil was "lucky" to draft Porzingis. People interpreted that as meaning he got lucky choosing Porzingis when what he meant was the plan going into the season was to compete for the playoffs and it turned out the Knicks had a pathetic season. Where have I even criticized Phil Jackson on this entire thread? By stating going into the season his eyes weren't on a high pick but rather the playoffs?
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because of he expected to win games that first year. What difference does that even make? Ok fine they sucked, that's phil's fault. Fine. But you know damn well that the Knicks were a mess seconds before PHil got here.
Great, Phil said the Knicks would be good and they weren't. The Sixers say they wanted to suck forever and they have. Good for them. Should we canonize the sixers front office because they admitted they sucked every year? Who the hell cares. The Knicks were always a work in progress and anyone fan with a clue would know that. The Knicks weren't winning an NBA title early. They weren't winning the division early.
Ill say it again. Phil has the Knicks headed in the right direction. They have all their picks, money, a young franchise player and they still have Melo. They could have done a lot worse these last few years which means they did more than good than bad. A lot more.
Again... HUH? Who is blaming anyone for anything. Enzo stated Phil was "lucky" to draft Porzingis. People interpreted that as meaning he got lucky choosing Porzingis when what he meant was the plan going into the season was to compete for the playoffs and it turned out the Knicks had a pathetic season. Where have I even criticized Phil Jackson on this entire thread? By stating going into the season his eyes weren't on a high pick but rather the playoffs?
Lmao.
Seems like you have a permanent target on your back for whatever reason.
The Atlanta Hawks free-agent priorities are re-signing forward Al Horford and swingman Kent Bazemore, but the Hawks are also trying to wedge their way into the Kevin Durant sweepstakes, according to league sources.
Who knows how true this is but the rumor is Chris Paul would then join him in Atl in a year. I find this very hard to believe.
I'm sick of people bashing Phil because of this so called idea that Phil went all in on the 2014 season and failed miserably. You might not be saying that but you're implying it to a certain degree. And I didn't even give him credit for landing the high pick. I gave him credit for making the right pick.
And maybe Phil knew all along that 2014 team would sink after the Chandler deal and he had intentions of picking high in a deep draft all along. Or maybe he moves up in that draft if he had to. Who knows. All I know is the Knicks have a GOLDEN opportunity here over the next 2 years to dramatically improve and it's as clear as day. Hopefully it works out. That's all I am saying.
but Thomas was given more than the min. In fact, Phil gave him a $1.2 million raise from the previous season. Why go for more than the min if you're not getting something (e.g. a player option) in return?
Thomas and Galloway were not "prove it players". Thomas was barely in the league and Galloway was an undrafted FA. They had zero in common with Afflalo and Williams.
I'm sorry if you're unaware of what other GMs routinely pull off in trades and signings.
I'm sick of people bashing Phil because of this so called idea that Phil went all in on the 2014 season and failed miserably. You might not be saying that but you're implying it to a certain degree. And I didn't even give him credit for landing the high pick. I gave him credit for making the right pick.
And maybe Phil knew all along that 2014 team would sink after the Chandler deal and he had intentions of picking high in a deep draft all along. Or maybe he moves up in that draft if he had to. Who knows. All I know is the Knicks have a GOLDEN opportunity here over the next 2 years to dramatically improve and it's as clear as day. Hopefully it works out. That's all I am saying.
Again, I didn't say Phil Jackson gave out big contracts or invested heavily in the players he brought in. I said he was trying to compete for the playoffs with the players he brought in. That's not some mortal sin. But when the season begin in October Phil had his eyes on potentially being a playoff team, not some brilliant plan to land a 7'3 kid from Latvia.
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I mean, the season didn't start off as an extreme disaster - they beat Cleveland in the second or third game of the year.
um, things went badly VERY quickly. By the end of November they were 4-14. And then they only won one game in December.
Right. And as I said, their main piece injured himself in the second game of the year, and their starting PG was basically out for the year by game 7. And their starting 5 looked completely incompetent. How does that change anything that I've said?
Horford
Milsap
Bazemore (who they can sign last because his hold is teeny)
Schroeder
Splitter
Thebo
Korver (bad year)
THJR (??)
Taurean Prince (R)
DeAndre' Bembry (R)
There's a lot of depth there, and a lot of defense. With some youth too.
I'll pass
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I mean, the season didn't start off as an extreme disaster - they beat Cleveland in the second or third game of the year.
um, things went badly VERY quickly. By the end of November they were 4-14. And then they only won one game in December.
Right. And as I said, their main piece injured himself in the second game of the year, and their starting PG was basically out for the year by game 7. And their starting 5 looked completely incompetent. How does that change anything that I've said?
Saying the season didn't start off as a disaster when they were in the midst of a long losing streak by the second week of the season is ridiculous.
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Says charlotte will probably offer 5 year max but he will be one of their first calls Friday morning at 1201
I'll pass
Give Batum at the max for 4 years over Noah at 20+ for 4 years any day of the week though.
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Says charlotte will probably offer 5 year max but he will be one of their first calls Friday morning at 1201
I'll pass
Give Batum at the max for 4 years over Noah at 20+ for 4 years any day of the week though.
Well I'm hoping (praying) Noah doesn't cost that much. Can't really see the team that would do it.
$15-17M
Wrong. Lance was released, then given 2 10-day contracts, and then a rest-of-the-year contract. His contract for this year was around 1.6M. The minimum for a player with his years of service was roughly 1.1M.
Just because they didn't have the same level of experience in the league as Afflalo or D-Will doesn't mean they weren't "prove it" type players. What kind of nonsense argument is that?
Name one other instance when a player on a minimum contract or barely above minimum contract locked themselves into a multi-year deal at that same rate. One.
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I mean, the season didn't start off as an extreme disaster - they beat Cleveland in the second or third game of the year.
um, things went badly VERY quickly. By the end of November they were 4-14. And then they only won one game in December.
Right. And as I said, their main piece injured himself in the second game of the year, and their starting PG was basically out for the year by game 7. And their starting 5 looked completely incompetent. How does that change anything that I've said?
Saying the season didn't start off as a disaster when they were in the midst of a long losing streak by the second week of the season is ridiculous.
And I just told you that within the first week, their main piece injured himself and their starting PG went out for the year. Why are you arguing just to argue?
What's not up for debate is the Knicks do need to start winning sooner than later. We can all agree on that.
What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.
What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.
The other day he said Whiteside was a priority for us (nothing since then, nor is there any indication this is the case from anyone else including follow up from Hahn) then he tweeted we will have a meeting with Durant, doesn't appear to be the case at all). Seems like he's throw more shit out there to get people to tune in.. no way could it have something to do with his show headed to television/MSG could it...?
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.
What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.
The other day he said Whiteside was a priority for us (nothing since then, nor is there any indication this is the case from anyone else including follow up from Hahn) then he tweeted we will have a meeting with Durant, doesn't appear to be the case at all). Seems like he's throw more shit out there to get people to tune in.. no way could it have something to do with his show headed to television/MSG could it...?
Hmm..last week he said Galloaway wasn't in the Knicks plans but someone posted that Phil stated they wanted Gallo back. He also said after the Rose trade that Noah was the target for center. He does seem to be all over the place.
wow you are dense. With regard to Thomas' contract, I was obviously talking about the 15/16 deal which, as YOU JUST SAID, was for more than the min. Once again, why give him that if you're not getting something in return?
Maybe you have your own definition of "prove it contracts" but guys on the fringes of the league and coming off of 10 day contracts are generally not considered in that class. Did you start following this league last month?
Thomas's deal was for 50% more than the min - so giving examples of "barely more than the min" wouldn't be relevant. But if you want current examples there were two transactions THIS WEEK that involved guys who were on deals with team options for tiny amounts: Jordan McCrae and Damjan Rudez. Then there are guys like Norm Powell on Toronto who is on a 3 year deal for $2.5 million total.
Or go back a few years when Chandler Parsons who signed a 4 year deal for $3.6 million as a second rounder (last year was a team option) when second rounders typically do 2 year deals.
And a smart deal for Thomas didn't have to be for barely more than the min. Offer him 4 over 2 years. The guy had barely made any money in his career and was coming off 10 day contracts. A chance at 4 million would have appeal to a guy like that.
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Hahn is coming off very poorly this week I must say.
What happened Dan? I can't get ESPN NY today.
The other day he said Whiteside was a priority for us (nothing since then, nor is there any indication this is the case from anyone else including follow up from Hahn) then he tweeted we will have a meeting with Durant, doesn't appear to be the case at all). Seems like he's throw more shit out there to get people to tune in.. no way could it have something to do with his show headed to television/MSG could it...?
he does seem to be playing to the fans more so than in the past. He knocks Ainge for accumulating picks calling them the "currency of hope" but then gets excited talking about our cap space this summer and next summer.
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I mean, the season didn't start off as an extreme disaster - they beat Cleveland in the second or third game of the year.
um, things went badly VERY quickly. By the end of November they were 4-14. And then they only won one game in December.
Right. And as I said, their main piece injured himself in the second game of the year, and their starting PG was basically out for the year by game 7. And their starting 5 looked completely incompetent. How does that change anything that I've said?
Saying the season didn't start off as a disaster when they were in the midst of a long losing streak by the second week of the season is ridiculous.
And I just told you that within the first week, their main piece injured himself and their starting PG went out for the year. Why are you arguing just to argue?
Melo played the first 15 games of the year. Maybe he wasn't 100% but he's played hurt before over long stretches. Botom line - they were awful with him. And what PG went out for the year? Calderon was back by November. What team were you watching?
Circumstance: Batum was told the offense would run through him as soon as he was acquired in trade a year ago. He lived up to that responsibility, averaging 14.9 points, 6.1 rebounds and 5.8 assists. His biggest value was taking some responsibility off point guard Kemba Walker, allowing him to become more of an attacking scorer.
Impression: General manager Rich Cho has repeatedly said re-signing Batum is his top priority. Cho said he intends to meet with Batum and his agent as soon as free agency begins July 1. Based on his eight seasons in the NBA, Batum is eligible for a maximum contract in the area of $26 million a season.
Chances of a return: 70 percent. Batum made it clear hed like to return to play for coach Steve Clifford. The Hornets might not offer him the full max, but they have to come in with something above $20 million a season and five years of guarantees to not be in danger of losing him.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nba/charlotte-hornets/article85959417.html#storylink=cpy
Well than that is what Lance should expect
Circumstance: Batum was told the offense would run through him as soon as he was acquired in trade a year ago. He lived up to that responsibility, averaging 14.9 points, 6.1 rebounds and 5.8 assists. His biggest value was taking some responsibility off point guard Kemba Walker, allowing him to become more of an attacking scorer.
I hate the concept of Player X is worth more to his team than other teams. But in this case it's fair. Offensively Batum would be a complimentary piece here, perhaps even a spot up guy. He is less valuable to us than he is to the MJs.
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Hill looking for 9-13 per and is expected to get it, nuts lol
Well than that is what Lance should expect
Well Hill is a little younger (25, 26 next season) Thomas will be 29 next season but yeah.. Lance Thomas should be able to secure roughly 8-10 per, wow lol
Waiters is hopeful to return to the Thunder, but the Kings or 76ers could offer him more than he's worth to try and change his mind. Waiters would have the opportunity to start with either of the aforementioned clubs, although that won't necessarily translate to standard league value for the career 41.1 percent shooter.
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Report: Utah will pursue UFA Luol Deng
The Jazz will reportedly pursue Luol Deng during free agency.
Deng has stated on multiple occasions that his preference would be to remain with Miami, but Utah may be able to steel him away from the franchise during the early goings of free agency while the Heat focus their attention on Kevin Durant and Hassan Whiteside. With Derrick Favors, Rodney Hood, George Hill and Gordon Hayward already all fighting for touches, Deng would only complicate the equation.
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Report: 76ers will go after Harrison Barnes
The 76ers reportedly plan to be "serious suitors" for Harrison Barnes during free agency.
Barnes will be a restricted free agent this offseason, so the Warriors will be able to match any offer he signs on the open market, but Philly could potentially pull him away form the Oakland franchise with a poison pill kind of contract. Barnes' preference would be to remain in Golden State, but he'd have much more opportunity to produce in Philly.
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I didnt realize that Horford only made $12 million last year. So his cap hold is only $18 million. If he waits a little to officially sign, he creates an extra $10 million in cap space they can play with. OTOH, Bazemore is just an early bird player, so they cant go over the cap to resign him.
They can probably trade for Waiters for very little. With Oladipo there I'd be surprised if they budget money for Waiters.
Supposedly it was spurs or knicks and now it seems knicks are locked on noah...
If spurs sign Gasol that takes them out of the Durant sweepstakes
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confirms the Spurs want Gasol. Sure sounds like it's going to happen.
Supposedly it was spurs or knicks and now it seems knicks are locked on noah...
If spurs sign Gasol that takes them out of the Durant sweepstakes
That would depend on the amount he signs for and if they can clear room by dumping some others.
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confirms the Spurs want Gasol. Sure sounds like it's going to happen.
Supposedly it was spurs or knicks and now it seems knicks are locked on noah...
If spurs sign Gasol that takes them out of the Durant sweepstakes
That would depend on the amount he signs for and if they can clear room by dumping some others.
Do you realize how much they have to dump just to get to a max for
Durant?
Weaknesses include closing out on shooters, fire.
Do you realize how much they have to dump just to get to a max for
Durant?
If Duncan and Manu want to retire, it's not a ton more. Maybe Diaw. I figured it out once.
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Do you realize how much they have to dump just to get to a max for
Durant?
If Duncan and Manu want to retire, it's not a ton more. Maybe Diaw. I figured it out once.
It's diaw and green because they would have so many cap holds, diaw and mills is not enough...
Duncan retiring gives them 20 million in space not taking holds into account, or their first round pick....
Good lord.
Yeah. He is at least decent. Waiters is a bad player.
Barnes on a max deal with no clear star I think could be asking for trouble though. Unfair expectations could make him very unhappy.
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Yeah. He is at least decent. Waiters is a bad player.
Barnes on a max deal with no clear star I think could be asking for trouble though. Unfair expectations could make him very unhappy.
There's no telling what Barnes looks like on a team without stars, but I think Simmons gains control of that team day 1. Barnes I think is a Luol Deng glue guy type. Probably higher ceiling, lower floor. But he's 23, he can really blossom on the Sixers. Think they can become pretty respectable pretty quickly if they land him. 25-33 wins.
According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes
According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes
Maybe marks will work with the Spurs and trade them jack for a salary and an asset - they can them wave jack
According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes
Hmm Wade to Indy is interesting
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According to Windhorst wade and heat have not been able to find common ground on a deal and he has let it be known he will be open to other offers...not really a fit with rose but still interesting
According to woj Duncan is picking up his option so spurs are pretty much out of the Durant sweepstakes
Maybe marks will work with the Spurs and trade them jack for a salary and an asset - they can them wave jack
Doesn't get them anywhere near enough money
Yup. Which is one of the reasons I see the top seeds in the east wide open. Miami, Charlotte, Atlanta and Toronto all have a lot to lose and little to gain this offseason.