If KD doesn't sign why not go after a combo of
Bismarck Biyombo and Fournier / Crabbe
Instead of pursuing Noah and Howard who are going to come a lot more expensive
BB is a relentless defender rebounder and shot blocker. Younger and cheaper than above and allows them to pursue a wing like Fournier or Crabbe
BB will do all the dirty work on the defensive end and set the punishing picks for DRose He doesn't need the ball and allows KP and Melo freedom on the offensive end
BB. Center
KP power forward
Melo small forward
Crabbe/ Fournier SG
Derrick Rose PG
Also keeps more cap space available for 2017. I.E. Westbrook
Kp and noah would be a tough front line
Bazemore brings out some really good offensive nights scoring in the 20s. Very shifty in transition and willing passer. Would be one of the best rebounding guards in the league at the 2. His career per 36 numbers suggest he can be a 15 6 and 3 player. I think he's more than worth it.
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
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I would do koq for Livingston have to think knicks would to, have to think noah and kp will get most of the minutes at the 5
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Agree on this.
No interest in Bazemore for 15M. I'd rather roll with Galloway for free.
Yep. I would love to land Livingston and McCraw.
Eric Gordon if he would come cheap I would bring him in to
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about KOQ for Livingston? (Non-guaranteed deal) might make a nice backup PG option for ultra cheap. I wanted to also get McCraw in the deal but thought that might be greedy
Yep. I would love to land Livingston and McCraw.
I honestly think it's a fair deal
Eric Gordon if he would come cheap I would bring him in to
Had a terrible year but I agree. I wouldn't mind rolling the dice on a 1-2 guards who had down years. Mayo isn't anything special but he's been solid in the past. Problem with a lot of these names is they are ALL very injury prone. How can we rely on Noah, Rose and Eric Gordon? Yikes.
Yup. If him and Lee are in the same price range give me Bazemore. He can play the 2 and 3. Him, Noah and rose can really push the pace in transition instead of just stalling into half court sets everytime Melo gets the rebound.
I find it hard to believe Gordon is going to settle for a bench role/bench money at 27 years old coming off a "solid" season. I mean he is INSANELY injury prone
Kind of hard to see but hyperlinked a bigger one.
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Felton has an excuse too. His cheeks were packed with cupcakes.
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when he was playing with a mask because of blurred vision that season?
Felton has an excuse too. His cheeks were packed with cupcakes.
To be fair he was going through problems at home. Maybe he had to dine on alot of McDonald and Wendy meals. That could explain his rapid weight gain during the season.
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So it's interesting to compare Felton when he was a starting guard for the Knicks during their best season in 16 years (and when they had their best roster) to Rose's first year under a new coach after a 2+ year layoff when he was coming back from multiple surgeries?
Is this for real?
That's fair, but he helps you in many other areas when his shot isn't falling. i'd like to get one player that's trending up this offseason, not down.
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
The caveat being that if you already have a contending roster in place, it might not be the worst thing to resign them for a bit more money.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
The caveat being that if you already have a contending roster in place, it might not be the worst thing to resign them for a bit more money.
I'm saying this because I'm not exactly sure, but was lance Thomas even a good defender? I mean he had the tools of a good defender-size, wingspan, lateral quickness. But he never really stood out on the court to me in that respect.
Anyway- if sign up for Rays performance that year from Derrick and that seems to me to be a reasonable upside to Rose for this season.
Anyway- if sign up for Rays performance that year from Derrick and that seems to me to be a reasonable upside to Rose for this season.
You mean since the first ACL tear or career? Because he's had 4 seasons above 50%
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
The caveat being that if you already have a contending roster in place, it might not be the worst thing to resign them for a bit more money.
I'm saying this because I'm not exactly sure, but was lance Thomas even a good defender? I mean he had the tools of a good defender-size, wingspan, lateral quickness. But he never really stood out on the court to me in that respect.
Lance is a very good defender. At one point he had one of the highest FG% differentials in the league, although he came back down to earth later in the season. And his injury in January basically coincided with the team shitting the bed for the rest of the year.
I think he's more the type of player that you need to watch to see his value. Very similar to RoLo in that regard.
And on the other side, prior to his injury he was close to having a 50-40-90 season.
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Im not convinced you use real free cap space on 3 and D guys. Maybe in the cheaper range, sub $10 million. But otherwise I think you try to develop them. You can pay them if you're capped out (S&T, Bird).
I admit this might just be a bias. I could be really wrong here. Also, didnt see enough ATL this year to know how good a defender he is. I havent heard that he's an elite wing defender.
Completely agree with this. 3 and D guys need to be developed constantly. Having someone like Lance Thomas is a huge asset when he's cost-controlled - not so much when you're paying them a decent paycheck and still trying to build a roster.
would have been nice if the front office had locked up Lance or Galloway with at least a team option for this year.
It's a slow progression and I get the frustration but really you can see the Knicks are gaining slow progress from an asset mgmt pov. Look at all the picks we have in the coffers over the next few years. And a shit load of cap room here and later.
I know we sucked but it does feel good to have all this breathing room in regards to the cap and looming picks. Hope the KNicks can take advantage of this opportunity.
It may be premature but I don't think he exceed $8-10M a year. He's the same age as Bazemore. I like him a lot more than Galloway.
keep setting that bar low! And it's not like we're dealing with a large sample size. It's only last summer you can look at where he had the room to give out contracts.
what about the second rounder they traded to dump Outlaw's contract two years ago? They could have just waived him but instead they wanted to save the $$.
in terms of second rounders, we're actually operating at a deficit thanks to the Outlaw and Willy trades. Not criticizing the Willy trade, but that's the current outlook.
this is like the old Chris Rock joke - "I take care of my kids!"
The whole league has cap room. And being careful with draft picks is sort of the bare minim when it comes to competent NBA front office management.
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
Sorry I meant month, not season. Last season, second half included, he only had one month of TS% above .500
What the hell did you expect here essentially 2 years? The Knicks were completely barren. Now they aren't. Isn't that itself a sign of progress? You can't hit 1000 on all the moves.
Don't bother i'm done with you.
And I remember a time when everyone but the Knicks had cap room. I said it's fucking baby steps.
What the hell did you expect here essentially 2 years? The Knicks were completely barren. Now they aren't. Isn't that itself a sign of progress? You can't hit 1000 on all the moves.
"not fucking up" is not progress.
What long term assets are on the roster? KP, which he got by accident, and Melo, who's here on a contract that includes every conceivable perk that gives Melo complete control over his future. Signing Afflalo and Williams weren't horrendous Layden/Isiah moves, but they accomplished nothing. Look around the league and see how other non-contenders utilize cap space when they're rebuilding.
And I remember a time when everyone but the Knicks had cap room. I said it's fucking baby steps.
Team
Maximum Cap Space
LA Lakers
$62,613,020
Philadelphia
$61,220,813
Dallas
$56,230,396
Boston
$53,397,958
Orlando
$50,354,805
Houston
$41,227,808
Washington
$40,103,848
Charlotte
$39,830,474
Portland
$39,784,459
Brooklyn
$38,277,194
Memphis
$38,082,020
Miami
$36,643,557
Atlanta
$35,124,459
Phoenix
$33,713,388
Toronto
$32,385,182
Utah
$31,895,769
Denver
$31,776,000
New York
$30,372,607
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If the outcomes were on a normal distribution curve the probability of him returning to that player is all the way in the right tail.
The fact is he's not that player anymore and I don't think that's even fair to say he still has the MVP caliber player in him. But if the second half of last season shows anything, he still has top 10 PG potential in him.
Sorry I meant month, not season. Last season, second half included, he only had one month of TS% above .500
That's not even true. His TS% was .526 in January, .508 in February, .511 in March. The only times it was under 50% was when he was wearing the mask, and in a small 3 games sample in April.
better than Isiah? Sure. Compared to the better run teams in the league. Not even close. If you were familiar with the rest of the league you might be aware of this.
again, setting bar low. There are teams that acquire EXTRA picks. Why not try to be one of those teams?
which was a result of an accidental tank. Phil was trying to make the playoffs that year. That doesn't alarm you?
Sorry if facts bother you that much. What a fucking baby...
Don't bother i'm done with you.
I think the issue is- what are we doing with those assets, that money and the best young player in 30 years?
We're still trying to build around Melo's timeline, we're rolling the dice on injured players, maybe signing them to long term deals.
I think every single person is 10000% on board with KP. The question is- are we patient or are we trying another short term fix for the 135252351 time since we traded Ewing?
when I say "accident", it's because they only ended up with a pick that high because Phil's plan to make the playoffs that season blew up in his face.
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You have to give him that. He trusted his staff that KP was the right pick.
when I say "accident", it's because they only ended up with a pick that high because Phil's plan to make the playoffs that season blew up in his face.
Oh, lol. Yeah, I suppose that's true.