NFT: NFT: Jersey Drivers- price of gasoline just went up

Every day that goes by I am closer to getting out of it.

this fucking state doesn't tax the shit out of us already. Where is all this money going?

an extra $2.30 per 10 gallons isn't going to make or break anyone's monthly budgets and doesn't the savings on sales tax help?

broke so this isn't a surprise.

But there really is no economic reason to live in New Jersey anymore.

I'm in Bergen County for work alot and it's one of life's little pleasures making sure I have just enough to get over the GWB and into Palisades Park to fill up.

Damnit.

gas costs more, shopping costs less. My monthly budget would have been affected by $15.

In comment 13012128 antdog24 said:

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this fucking state doesn't tax the shit out of us already. Where is all this money going?

Prior to this change, NJ had second-lowest gas tax in the nation (after Alaska). It'll still be less tax than NY or PA charge.
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fuck you would think i lived in a mansion with the taxes i pay

In comment 13012143 Enoch said:

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In comment 13012128 antdog24 said: Quote: this fucking state doesn't tax the shit out of us already. Where is all this money going? Prior to this change, NJ had second-lowest gas tax in the nation (after Alaska). It'll still be less tax than NY or PA charge. Link - ( New Window )

Talk about selective statistics. New Jersey has:

* One of the Top 5 highest income tax rates in the country, and no deduction of charitable contributions and mortgage interest.

* One of the Top 5 corporate tax rates in the country

* One of the Top 5 real estate taxes in the country.

* The lowest threshold for estate tax in the country, and the absolute worst inheritance tax in the country.

So, just because the gas tax wasn't one of the Top 5 rates in the country raising it is OK??????

In comment 13012152 GMAN4LIFE said:

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fuck you would think i lived in a mansion with the taxes i pay

And then try improving your house. The town bleeds you dry.

Wow.....I had no idea that the State Legislature could work that fast. I first read about this gas tax hike just a short while ago.
And voila.....it's being signed into law on Friday ?!?!?!?

I thought these "Legislators" were all bogged down in which High School Bathroom the kids should use.

kept my wife and I from relocating back home to the Finger Lakes 6 years ago. NY and NJ are terrible with the taxes.

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In comment 13012195 Beer Man said:

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kept my wife and I from relocating back home to the Finger Lakes 6 years ago. NY and NJ are terrible with the taxes.

True. But New York isn't getting worse.

In comment 13012165 njm said:

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In comment 13012143 Enoch said: Quote: In comment 13012128 antdog24 said: Quote: this fucking state doesn't tax the shit out of us already. Where is all this money going? Prior to this change, NJ had second-lowest gas tax in the nation (after Alaska). It'll still be less tax than NY or PA charge. Link - ( New Window ) Talk about selective statistics. New Jersey has: * One of the Top 5 highest income tax rates in the country, and no deduction of charitable contributions and mortgage interest. * One of the Top 5 corporate tax rates in the country * One of the Top 5 real estate taxes in the country. * The lowest threshold for estate tax in the country, and the absolute worst inheritance tax in the country. So, just because the gas tax wasn't one of the Top 5 rates in the country raising it is OK??????

I wasn't trying to pass judgment on what is "OK" or not. (Among other things, I don't live there anymore.) Just pointing out that gas tax isn't what you want to be citing to complain about taxation in NJ.

I also don't know how the math works out regarding how much the sales tax decrease offsets. I imagine that people who drive a lot will pay more, while people who don't drive much (or drive electric vehicles) will end up paying less.

gotta get out of here fast.

happy I am. Sun, fun, no snow, no state tax, property tax went from $8000 to $1700, still 4 seasons but oh so pleasant. and the women you need blinders just to walk through the supermarket not to knock over a display and SPORTS are the best . football at 10am ,Monday and thursday nights game time 6pm, watching from the jacuzzi drinking beer. I'm pinching myself

YES. But this is good... Sales tax being down helps a lot..

In comment 13012136 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:

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But there really is no economic reason to live in New Jersey anymore.

This is the situation in a nutshell.

Things in NJ will only get worse. Broke as a joke.

with the state legislature. I complain about cost of living in NY. Jersey seems way worse.

and I've already decided I'll never live in the NJ/NYC area again. There's a lot that I miss and like about the area, but it's blood from a stone there. And the crumbling infrastructure isn't going to help the ridiculous traffic.

Her parents just left for Myrtle Beach. We are thinking of doing the same or possibly Georgia.

She can work anywhere as a nurse and I own my own business. Relocating would be tough but at this point I despise this place 9 months out of the year.

Its time.

In comment 13012131 Metnut said:

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broke so this isn't a surprise.

My State, Connecticut, is in the worst fiscal shape of the entire union, only Puerto Rico is in worse shape..

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In comment 13012152 GMAN4LIFE said: Quote: fuck you would think i lived in a mansion with the taxes i pay And then try improving your house. The town bleeds you dry.

yes seriously... fucking blows. pay over 10k for property taxes and im afraid to upgrade my home. Just ridiculous

gas will still be cheaper in NJ than PA and NY, but I imagine many truckers will fill up in Delaware instead. The gas tax hike has been needed for a long time to be able to pay for roads. The bigger problem, though, is that outside of Alaska and Hawaii, NJ has the highest road maintenance costs in the country and it doesn't seem like the state is doing anything to combat those obscene costs.

Also, the sales tax is not slated to decrease until 2018.

could re-implement the millionaires tax that he refused to re-up as his first act of NJ Governor?

In comment 13012325 PaulBlakeTSU said:

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Also, the sales tax is not slated to decrease until 2018.

HAHAHA!! Add a tax, effective as soon as the ink dries, remove a tax? 2018... Holy fuck!

at year end then another half point a year later. If we are robbing Peter to pay Paul why are the tax payers getting the shaft for the extra year?

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at year end then another half point a year later. If we are robbing Peter to pay Paul why are the tax payers getting the shaft for the extra year?

Because the transportation fund is bankrupt?

The gas tax should have been raised over the years like a penny or two a year instead of a large increase like this. There id not enough money through the current tax to pay for road maintenance and the shortfall was addressed by local towns through properly taxes. This mans that local homeowners are subsidizing drivers traveling through NJ because the gas taxes are so low.

What I can't get over in this moronic state is that the current estate tax kicks in st $670k which is the lowest in the country. The original plan was to eliminate the tax entirely. How do these clowns not raise the amount to something in line with other States, This plus the property tax practical begs senior citizens to relocate and/or supports a thriving estate tax avoidance attorney industry

about 1 year into my first home purchase. I was born and raised in this state, love the family and friends that I have left here. But I'm absolutely done living here after the next few years, plan on relocating out of the northeast before my almost 1 year old goes to kindergarten. Mortgage + Property Tax + Day Care expenses make working feel like life and death when it shouldn't be that way.

Wouldn't recommend to anyone that doesn't have an incredible job to stay up here to try and raise a family. I'm a generation too late, you need a fortune to live comfortably.

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In comment 13012131 Metnut said: Quote: broke so this isn't a surprise. My State, Connecticut, is in the worst fiscal shape of the entire union, only Puerto Rico is in worse shape..

Um I live in Illinois... wanna talk about a broke state? About to enter a second year without a budget...awesome stuff

In comment 13012461 Samiam said:

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What I can't get over in this moronic state is that the current estate tax kicks in st $670k which is the lowest in the country. The original plan was to eliminate the tax entirely. How do these clowns not raise the amount to something in line with other States, This plus the property tax practical begs senior citizens to relocate and/or supports a thriving estate tax avoidance attorney industry

Don't forget the inheritance tax. Bequests to brothers and sisters over $25,000. (not $675k) get hit at 11%.

and the roads and infrastructure in NJ are falling apart as a result. This was long overdue.

Property taxes are ridiculously high and zoning boards are an outright scandal but those are separate issues.

It's expensive to live in NJ for a reason - it's a great state to live in. The Northern half of the state is within easy commuting distance to one of the world's great cities. The expensive areas of the state are incredibly safe with some of the best schools in the country. It's easily one of the best places in the country to raise children. While real estate is expensive in many areas you still get tremendous value when compared to NYC - for around $1 million you can own a small mansion in a great area vs. a 2BD apt in Manhattan or the nicer areas of Brooklyn. And if you live in the Southern part of the state you can get an amazing home for around half that amount.

It's probably a pretty terrible place to retire, but that's because it's a great place to raise kids and the two are pretty incompatible due to school costs, etc. If it was really a terrible place to live people would be leaving en mass and real estate prices would be collapsing - but that is not the case.

the cost for goods and services will also go up. Anything trucked through the state, landscapers, delivery services...

In comment 13012529 Bubba said:

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the cost for goods and services will also go up. Anything trucked through the state, landscapers, delivery services...

Did the cost of those items go down at all when the price of gas dropped in half 18 months ago?

kept punting on raising the gas tax for years, instead just increasing the amount they could borrow for transportation funds. So here we are with a 23-cent increase per gallon (which I believe would increase with rising gas costs) effected at once because the State seemingly has no interest in combating the cronyism involved with astronomical construction costs in the state.

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If it was really a terrible place to live people would be leaving en mass

Well, since you mentioned it...

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an aging population being one of them. People don't retire in SC and move to NY

Not that I am aware of. Do you know?

In Monmouth County where I used to work the population growth rate has completely stagnated, and the population has skewed much older as a result. The government there is extremely concerned over the future prospect of significant economic shrinkage, large stock of emptying age restricted housing, empty McMansions, etc.

In NJ the trends seem to point to a population influx back into the urbanized areas away from the suburbs.

In comment 13012684 Go Terps said:

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In Monmouth County where I used to work the population growth rate has completely stagnated, and the population has skewed much older as a result. The government there is extremely concerned over the future prospect of significant economic shrinkage, large stock of emptying age restricted housing, empty McMansions, etc. In NJ the trends seem to point to a population influx back into the urbanized areas away from the suburbs.

The shore as a whole is seeing a complete population shift, as long-time residents in the coastal towns have either not returned to their homes after Sandy or they have been bought out for summer homes.

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and I've already decided I'll never live in the NJ/NYC area again. There's a lot that I miss and like about the area, but it's blood from a stone there. And the crumbling infrastructure isn't going to help the ridiculous traffic.

Where in OR? I grew up in Portland and we are looking at Bend or Eugene in the next couple of years. Pacific Northwest is the most beautiful part of the country, imho.

In comment 13012696 Modus Operandi said:

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In comment 13012263 Go Terps said: Quote: and I've already decided I'll never live in the NJ/NYC area again. There's a lot that I miss and like about the area, but it's blood from a stone there. And the crumbling infrastructure isn't going to help the ridiculous traffic. Where in OR? I grew up in Portland and we are looking at Bend or Eugene in the next couple of years. Pacific Northwest is the most beautiful part of the country, imho.

I landed a good gig in Salem, and live there. Definitely an up and coming place with a lot of development taking place, young population, etc. Give breweries in town doesn't hurt either. It's only been a few weeks bit I really like it.

I'll be visiting Eugene in a few weeks for work, and I plan on checking out Bend in a couple weekends on my way to see Crater Lake. I agree... This area is amazing.

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2000 population was 8,414,350

2010 population = 8,791,894

2015 population - 8,958,013

There has been a general move from colder states to warmer states in the last few decades - likely due to the increased use of air conditioning - but despite that NJ's population continues to grow. So there is no great movement away from the state.

The population is growing just about everywhere in the US. The question is probably the growth rate versus that of other states.

Then within that there are questions about the different cohorts within that growth. Age, income, etc.

Like I said before my impressions of NJ are that the urbanized areas (basically within a 15 mile or so radius of NYC) will continue to grow but the suburbs are in real trouble.

like Yogi Berra used to say, "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

Also, people are leaving NYC and Chicago areas to some degree because the IT revolution has unchained people from living in a few dense population centers for certain industries. My job doesnt really require me to be in NYC, yet here I am, paying more for a 1 bedroom than I'd have to pay for 4000 sq. ft. in most of the country.

Also, dont want to get into a maker and taker argument, but states like NJ are subsidizing states like SC. Even worse, a number of sunbelt states are not only taking tax transfers from richer states (via federal spending and matching funds), but they're then turning around and offering special tax abatement to lure companies out of the richer states that are subsidizing them. It's kind of unfair.