Not sure if this has been posted but it confirms the 2 more seasons speculation:
BENIOFF: It’s two more seasons we’re talking about. From pretty close to the beginning, we talked about doing this in 70-75 hours, and that’s what we’ll end up with. Call it 73 for now. What Dan says is really true, but it’s not just trying not to outstay your welcome. We’re trying to tell one cohesive story with a beginning, middle and end. As Dan said, we’ve known the end for quite some time and we’re hurtling towards it. Those last images from the show that aired last night showed that. Daenerys is finally coming back to Westeros; Jon Snow is king of the North and Cersei is sitting on the Iron Throne. And we know the Night King is up there, waiting for all of them. The pieces are on the board now. Some of the pieces have been removed from the board and we are heading toward the end game. The thing that has excited us from the beginning, back to the way we pitched it to HBO is, it’s not supposed to be an ongoing show, where every season it’s trying to figure out new story lines. We wanted it to be one giant story, without padding it out to add an extra 10 hours, or because people are still watching it. We wanted to something where, if people watched it end to end, it would make sense as one continuous story. We’re definitely heading into the end game now.
The interview is also pretty interesting on the behind the scenes stuff,
Game Of Thrones’ David Benioff & D.B. Weiss On Shocking Season 6 Finale - (
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half-seasons have become en vogue these days. Mad Men did this for their final season too. Split it in half to spread the hype and viewership over more time.
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Sorry buddy, that will never happen.
Also, GoT is a massive production -- 13 episodes in a year would be a ginormous undertaking. They are surely glad to have the extra time, especially since they feel the need to keep topping themselves.
We can even recycle some of the actors in the current series
Why do you think this? From day one they have wanted to do 7 seasons. 7 seasons for 7 books was the exact quote from B and B. Getting an extra 3-5 is a bonus.
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The first 5 seasons had a ton of bloat. now it seems rushed so they can get it over with.
Why do you think this? From day one they have wanted to do 7 seasons. 7 seasons for 7 books was the exact quote from B and B. Getting an extra 3-5 is a bonus.
I see the opposite. I don't think it was bloat at all, it was necessary then and its lacking now. I'm hoping that the extra episodes mean they can properly pace the show. Not to flame on again about it again, as we will never agree on it, but the show absolutely went off the rails this season with pacing. If it was always like that and cut everything out i'd be fine with it, but they broke their own mold.
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The first 5 seasons had a ton of bloat. now it seems rushed so they can get it over with.
Why do you think this? From day one they have wanted to do 7 seasons. 7 seasons for 7 books was the exact quote from B and B. Getting an extra 3-5 is a bonus.
I see the opposite. I don't think it was bloat at all, it was necessary then and its lacking now. I'm hoping that the extra episodes mean they can properly pace the show. Not to flame on again about it again, as we will never agree on it, but the show absolutely went off the rails this season with pacing. If it was always like that and cut everything out i'd be fine with it, but they broke their own mold.
As always, thank you for your singular opinion. My singular opinion is that season 6 was one of the overall's stories best.
Still high quality TV, just didn't sit right with me when looking back on the whole season.
But today's news gives me faith they will finish the show the way it was started. I just didn't see it with 7 episodes but with 13-15, I think they can pull it off.
From what I've heard season 5 was a bit of a mess because the book is a mess and all over the place. Id agree 5 was the worst but season 4 is its best. I probably go..
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Even 5 finished very strong 8-10 IMO. Not bad at all.
Same. People want to nitpick and get hung up on time travel, ect. they are missing the forest for the trees IMO.
You owe it to yourself to go back and watch Season 5, episode 9. It's definitely one of the top 5 episodes in the series' history, maybe even top 3 or 4.
In any case, this is good news for all fans. I just hope its not a full year wait in between half seasons, it would be incredibly lame.
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It was appointment watching for me, and I completely ignored season 5. I'd just read online recaps.
You owe it to yourself to go back and watch Season 5, episode 9. It's definitely one of the top 5 episodes in the series' history, maybe even top 3 or 4.
sorry- episode 8. Hardhome
In any case, this is good news for all fans. I just hope its not a full year wait in between half seasons, it would be incredibly lame.
Im guessing it will be. They will be positioning Westworld as their new must watch show in the fall so they will want to distant them a bit. Madmen, Breaking Bad, ect. all made us wait a year in between. Lame? Yes. Uncommon. No.
You're not alone. I'd actually love for a "prequel" series to explain even more history about the world, but I don't know that it would be a big hit.
In any case, this is good news for all fans. I just hope its not a full year wait in between half seasons, it would be incredibly lame.
I agree 100%. The highs were satisfying, but a lot of the subplots really fizzled for me. It's weird, on one hand I think you hit the nail on the head earlier about not having the source to fall back on for depth. On the other hand, I feel like GRRM wrote a couple of the story lines into holes too deep to get out of in a meaningful way on TV.
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but Im not ready for the series to end yet. lol. Im ok with it taking two more years. Maybe by then Ill be caught up on the books and book 6 at least will be out as well and the only thing left will be book 7 to close everything out once the TV series ends.
You're not alone. I'd actually love for a "prequel" series to explain even more history about the world, but I don't know that it would be a big hit.
Im sure it would be. Ive never seen a series that has been this epic that has this big of a built in fanbase.
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The first 5 seasons had a ton of bloat. now it seems rushed so they can get it over with.
Why do you think this? From day one they have wanted to do 7 seasons. 7 seasons for 7 books was the exact quote from B and B. Getting an extra 3-5 is a bonus.
I see the opposite. I don't think it was bloat at all, it was necessary then and its lacking now. I'm hoping that the extra episodes mean they can properly pace the show. Not to flame on again about it again, as we will never agree on it, but the show absolutely went off the rails this season with pacing. If it was always like that and cut everything out i'd be fine with it, but they broke their own mold.
I dunno. Maybe you're right. But it feels like there was a lot of filler in the first 5 seasons. Dany's journey got to be tedious what with the whole Mereen thing. It felt as if the first 5 had more GRRM-esque meandering and now that it's way beyond the books, HBO is condensing it. What sucks is they aren't doing another 2 10-episode seasons.
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season 6 was filled with many highs, but I couldn't get past many of the lows. Much of it has to do with continuity and pacing rather than just being a slow episode (which is where the show shines when done right, IMO).
In any case, this is good news for all fans. I just hope its not a full year wait in between half seasons, it would be incredibly lame.
I agree 100%. The highs were satisfying, but a lot of the subplots really fizzled for me. It's weird, on one hand I think you hit the nail on the head earlier about not having the source to fall back on for depth. On the other hand, I feel like GRRM wrote a couple of the story lines into holes too deep to get out of in a meaningful way on TV.
He did, but 3 more books are rumored, so until they all come out or he just quits writing, I'm going to look forward to the rest of what he has to say. Speaking of which, I have the dunk and egg novellas and need to start them soon.
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In comment 13012659 giantsfaninphilly said:
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The first 5 seasons had a ton of bloat. now it seems rushed so they can get it over with.
Why do you think this? From day one they have wanted to do 7 seasons. 7 seasons for 7 books was the exact quote from B and B. Getting an extra 3-5 is a bonus.
I see the opposite. I don't think it was bloat at all, it was necessary then and its lacking now. I'm hoping that the extra episodes mean they can properly pace the show. Not to flame on again about it again, as we will never agree on it, but the show absolutely went off the rails this season with pacing. If it was always like that and cut everything out i'd be fine with it, but they broke their own mold.
I dunno. Maybe you're right. But it feels like there was a lot of filler in the first 5 seasons. Dany's journey got to be tedious what with the whole Mereen thing. It felt as if the first 5 had more GRRM-esque meandering and now that it's way beyond the books, HBO is condensing it. What sucks is they aren't doing another 2 10-episode seasons.
It's certainly a preference thing, but yes Dany was done poorly but so has recent Dany. Her arc kind of oversees everything and she's so far away it's hard to portray it on the show. Aryas story was exhausting the last 2 seasons, and what they've done to littlefinger and Jamie is appalling.
I'm looking forward to the conclusion. I have been eagerly awaiting Westworld for forever and the more I read the more I can't wait. It has infinite potential. The night of looks great too, produced by James Gandolfini.
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season 6 was filled with many highs, but I couldn't get past many of the lows. Much of it has to do with continuity and pacing rather than just being a slow episode (which is where the show shines when done right, IMO).
In any case, this is good news for all fans. I just hope its not a full year wait in between half seasons, it would be incredibly lame.
I agree 100%. The highs were satisfying, but a lot of the subplots really fizzled for me. It's weird, on one hand I think you hit the nail on the head earlier about not having the source to fall back on for depth. On the other hand, I feel like GRRM wrote a couple of the story lines into holes too deep to get out of in a meaningful way on TV.
He did, but 3 more books are rumored, so until they all come out or he just quits writing, I'm going to look forward to the rest of what he has to say. Speaking of which, I have the dunk and egg novellas and need to start them soon.
There is overwhelming evidence it will still only be two more books. I think there was one quibble that he was toying with the idea of 3 but I would bet everything I own it ends up being just two more. You're stating this as if 3 more books are expected or assumed. Its still two by just about everyone out there.
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season 6 was filled with many highs, but I couldn't get past many of the lows. Much of it has to do with continuity and pacing rather than just being a slow episode (which is where the show shines when done right, IMO).
In any case, this is good news for all fans. I just hope its not a full year wait in between half seasons, it would be incredibly lame.
I agree 100%. The highs were satisfying, but a lot of the subplots really fizzled for me. It's weird, on one hand I think you hit the nail on the head earlier about not having the source to fall back on for depth. On the other hand, I feel like GRRM wrote a couple of the story lines into holes too deep to get out of in a meaningful way on TV.
He did, but 3 more books are rumored, so until they all come out or he just quits writing, I'm going to look forward to the rest of what he has to say. Speaking of which, I have the dunk and egg novellas and need to start them soon.
There is overwhelming evidence it will still only be two more books. I think there was one quibble that he was toying with the idea of 3 but I would bet everything I own it ends up being just two more. You're stating this as if 3 more books are expected or assumed. Its still two by just about everyone out there.
I don't think there are going to be any more books. I could be wrong. It's been since 1998 he started the series. 18 years FFS.
But this season the narrative began to get much more conventional. The Sparrows got blown to bits. The cavalry rode in to save the day. Dany's return was a deus-ex-draco twist. Ramsay got eaten by his dogs -- poetic justice. Arya went Titus Andronicus on Walder Frey before slaughtering him -- more poetic justice. In a George R.R. Martin narrative, you'd expect Ramsay Bolton's or Walder Frey's death to be unsatisfying or unsettling, because it would empower someone or something even worse.
I think the show has become more traditionally crowd-pleasing but less provocative. Maybe that was inevitable, because at some point the story has to move toward an ending, but it feels more like David Benioff now and less like GRRM.
I think the show has become more traditionally crowd-pleasing but less provocative. Maybe that was inevitable, because at some point the story has to move toward an ending, but it feels more like David Benioff now and less like GRRM.
This is what happens when a story gets put on film before the writer has finished it. It's been 18 years since the books were started. WTF has GRRM been doing in that time? He's written 3 other novels that have nothing to do with A Song of Ice and Fire. Seems like he lost focus after the third book. It was 5 and 6 years to get books 4 and 5 out. It tells me he got disinterested. Book 6 was supposed to be out in 2014. Winds of winter had 400 pages worth 4 years ago. He had said that books 6 and 7 were supposed to be over 1500 pages each. He backed himself into a corner with bloat in the first 5.
I want the books to come as bad as anyone, and it would be unfortunate if his legacy is tainted due to his own success, but he earned it.