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| Former Indianapolis Colts running back Zurlon Tipton is reportedly dead at the age of 26. According to Fox 2 in Detroit, Tipton accidentally shot and killed himself at a car dealership in Roseville, Mich. The Wayne County Medical Examiner identified the victim as Tipton, who drove to the dealership Tuesday morning and reportedly pulled out a duffel bag containing two guns. One of the guns went off and, according to police, shot Tipton in the stomach. |
I want to say there was another one who had the same thing happen while moving a bag in his closet.
Maybe he read that Facebook post that lionized the concealed carry folks who are ready to protect us all from a shooter in any public place.
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... at a car dealership? I have not read the link yet.
Maybe he read that Facebook post that lionized the concealed carry folks who are ready to protect us all from a shooter in any public place.
I doubt it.
"Just before last Christmas, Tipton was arrested for allegedly firing a weapon in Greenwood, Ind. Police found a loaded 9mm handgun and a loaded Colt AR-15 assault rifle in Tipton’s car at the time. He had been released shortly before that incident last December."
He was released after being arrested with a weapon that has been banned since the early 1930's.
I doubt concealed carry had a thing to do with it.
Maybe in the Chicago sense of illegal concealed carry?
I do have at least one "loaded gun" in my home (no children in the house), and by that I mean the magazine has ammo in it, and it is firmly housed in the magazine well of the the weapon, safety on. But I would never keep a round in the chamber until I had the intention that I may need to immediately fire it.
No sympathy from me here. Handling guns like this guy was doing is the same as driving around drunk all the time. Again, just good he didn't kill anyone else.
Luckily in this case nature didn't select the poor slob buying the Prius right next to him.
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... at a car dealership? I have not read the link yet.
Maybe he read that Facebook post that lionized the concealed carry folks who are ready to protect us all from a shooter in any public place.
You mean like this?
safety first. For every time someone died because he couldn't get his gatt out and firing quick enough, there's megafold numbers who die through lack of safety awareness.
Never keep a loaded round until you are ready to fire.
never keep any bullets in the weapon at all until you are in a situation where you might need to chamber a round.
Always keep the safety on until ready to fire.
Always know exactly what the status is of the possibility that there's a round in the chamber.
It is really, really simple.
safety first. For every time someone died because he couldn't get his gatt out and firing quick enough, there's megafold numbers who die through lack of safety awareness.
Never keep a loaded round until you are ready to fire.
never keep any bullets in the weapon at all until you are in a situation where you might need to chamber a round.
Always keep the safety on until ready to fire.
Always know exactly what the status is of the possibility that there's a round in the chamber.
It is really, really simple.
You hit the nail on the head with this.
I've never understood why anyone would keep a round in the chamber when they have the gun at home. All it does is create a potential situation in which a child (even as young as three years old) can pull the trigger of a gun and kill himself or others (we've seen this too often). It doesn't take more than a split second to chamber a round if you need to use it at home, and even with the magazine inserted in a semi-automatic handgun, it actually takes a lot of dexterity to chamber a round, which most children do not possess. The split second you would have saved by keeping a handgun with a round chambered won't mean shit anyway in the long run.
Now, if you are one of those people carrying a concealed handgun on your hip or in a purse, I can see the utility of it having a chambered round. However, this also has to be tempered with you having positive control of the weapon at all time. This means that if it's a gun put into a dufflebag, then you need to unchamber that fucker. Leaving a chambered handgun in your dufflebag is the height of stupidity.
likely refers to possession of a fully automatic weapon like a Thompson sub-machine gun. "Tommy gun". Automatic weapons were banned in the 30's.
Absolutely, keeping it chambered is bad enough, having no safety on also is beyond idiotic
a purse is just a small duffel bag. a hip/shoulder holster is a bit more controlled, but still no reason to have a chambered round as a matter of general practice. If you can't chamber a round quickly, you've chosen a poor weapon of defense, or you aren't skilled enough with it to be trusted with it.
a purse is just a small duffel bag. a hip/shoulder holster is a bit more controlled, but still no reason to have a chambered round as a matter of general practice. If you can't chamber a round quickly, you've chosen a poor weapon of defense, or you aren't skilled enough with it to be trusted with it.
I'm going to have to disagree with you regarding never having a weapon chambered with a round (Condition 1 in Marine speak). I would hope that someone, who is going to carry a handgun regularly in their hip holster (my brother was one of them while in SOF) should be responsible enough to not be a liability. Now I know that isn't always the case, but a positive control (even in a hidden compartment or in a pocket in a purse) means that there is far less chance for a negligent fire.
To say never have a round in the chamber until you're ready to use the gun as you describe it is almost as bad as saying always have a round in the chamber no matter what. Both are opposite ends of a good middle ground.
As he got out of his car and approached his door, 2 muggers ran up to him, one with a gun pointed at him. They demanded he give them his wallet. The neighbor reached into his jacket, and quickly fired a round at the armed mugger, killing him.
They would not have waited for him to chamber a round.
No charges were filed against the neighbor but there were serious consequences for the mugger that lived.
I can't think of a single reason to have a chambered round as a civilian as a matter of general practice. It's plain out bad safety practice. IF you happen to feel nervous, like heading down a dark shady lane, with thoughts of villains jumping out of the bushes, I can see it. just strapping on your sidearm to go about daily life? I don't care how responsible you think you are, you're a fucking moron in the safety department to chamber a round, unless you live a dangerous daily life.
I agree, though, that there is a grey area, so NEVER might be too strong. More often than not, though, there should be no reason to have a chambered round.
We quite possibly might have another ring had Plax only listened to me instead of you. :)
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in a gym bag is begging for an accidental discharge. No reason whatsoever to have one in the chamber or the safety off.
Absolutely, keeping it chambered is bad enough, having no safety on also is beyond idiotic
You understand many handguns don't have safety mechanisms
But there are ways to insure safety. If it's in a bag it needs to be in a holster that the trigger can not be pulled accidentally. Or even a rubber trigger blocker for smaller guns like 380s and pocket 22s. Also if he had a gun case bag that has pockets for your weapons so they don't discharge by mistake. This is a young man who chances are never had gun safety explained to him or was careless and paid for it. Gun safety is more important than most think most of the time a quick class while getting a CWP is not enough. It takes time and discipline.
I can't think of a single reason to have a chambered round as a civilian as a matter of general practice. It's plain out bad safety practice. IF you happen to feel nervous, like heading down a dark shady lane, with thoughts of villains jumping out of the bushes, I can see it. just strapping on your sidearm to go about daily life? I don't care how responsible you think you are, you're a fucking moron in the safety department to chamber a round, unless you live a dangerous daily life.
I agree, though, that there is a grey area, so NEVER might be too strong. More often than not, though, there should be no reason to have a chambered round.
We quite possibly might have another ring had Plax only listened to me instead of you. :)
I will agree with you to a degree that for the vast majority of people, they don't need to have a round chambered. Better yet, I'll go one farther and say that for vast majority of people, who do carry, they don't need to carry at all. However, if they have a job that requires them to carry for protection (carrying large sum of money or active threat to their lives), then having a gun and having it chambered should be the case. Also, if they are well trained individual (and not just a weekend training), then I don't see any reason why they shouldn't. As you said, it's a case by case basis.
So we're closer than I initially made it sound...:)
I do know of at least 2 instances in my own personal sphere (one cop, one army) where deaths occurred from stupidity with loaded weapons, when the person was highly trained and should have known better, so I think we still disagree there, but I won't belabor it.
I do know of at least 2 instances in my own personal sphere (one cop, one army) where deaths occurred from stupidity with loaded weapons, when the person was highly trained and should have known better, so I think we still disagree there, but I won't belabor it.
I think the two cases you describe fall more in line with complacency than lack of training. Sometimes even the best trained people become too complacent with their own expertise. And that's a deadly combo.