Very sad to see this form of abuse is still legal. Every child should attend public (or a decent private) school and get a fair, education. It's terribly sad to see kids being forced into isolation by weirdo parents. Link - ( New Window )
of children being brought up isolated from their peers. If the parents are really worried about outside influence harming their kids, private schools are available.
Anyone ever see the TV show "Growing up Amish" or something like that. Once those kids got a taste of the world, they pretty much ran amok!
You're speaking of extreme cases. I'm not sure how many homeschooled families you know, but vast majority of them don't "isolate" their children from the world. They involve their kids in extracurricular activities to provide them opportunities to socialize with other children.
After reading all these posts, would it be fair to say,
See my earlier post - homeschoolers often form groups that meet regularly to do projects and go on field trips, and they usually have the same kind of after-school activities regular school kids participate in.
Private schools are great....if you can afford them. I'd love if I could afford private school for my kids - it would give us much more flexibility in the area we live in, for example. There are neighborhoods inside the Richmond city limits I'd love to live in, for example, but I wouldn't send my kids to Richmond city schools if you held a gun to my head.
See my earlier post - homeschoolers often form groups that meet regularly to do projects and go on field trips, and they usually have the same kind of after-school activities regular school kids participate in.
Private schools are great....if you can afford them. I'd love if I could afford private school for my kids - it would give us much more flexibility in the area we live in, for example. There are neighborhoods inside the Richmond city limits I'd love to live in, for example, but I wouldn't send my kids to Richmond city schools if you held a gun to my head.
Agree 100%. Yes there are private schools, but the good ones are a buttload of money, some comparable to four-year colleges.
And to reiterate my earlier question, when the hell did we decide that the reason we sent kids to school wasn't to educate them or even to inculcate them with public/civic virtue but rather to socialize them? Is school really the only place where they can learn to get along with other children?
there is nothing inherently better or worse about homeschooling, it's what you put into it. If you have a solid curriculum (there are numerous options) and a parent who adheres to it the results are likely to be as good or significantly better than you'd get from an average public school education. More hands-on time, more opportunity to address a child's specific needs, the ability to supplement with museums and practical education, etc etc. And if you have parents who make a conscious effort to get their kids involved socially, be it with sports, scouting, church youth groups, what have you, the "social side" of things is less likely to suffer (though when did we decide that the goal of public education was socialization?).
But if you have people who "homeschool" because they're too lazy to get their urchins to the bus stop in the morning, and homeschooling consists of whatever is on the tube between breakfast and Mama watching her "stories" in the afternoon, the results are not likely to be pretty.
It is frustrating, however, to deal with people who are inveterately hostile to the idea. For instance, the only "argument" I've seen advanced against homeschool kids getting the chance to play HS sports is the idea that academically ineligible kids might be made eligible through homeschooling. If the goal of sports and after-school programs is to enrich the lives of children, and not to ensure some sort of Division 1 caliber of amateur purity, that argument becomes ridiculous. And the advocates seem to giddily say "you can't have it both ways." Why not? Homeschooling parents pay taxes too, and because their children don't consume in-class services they could they actually save the districts money as it is.
Wow zero data in here other then calling the op a troll. Joke of a comment. Anecdotes aren't data. Again, anecdotes aren't data.
There is in fact hard data regarding home schooling and public/private schooling. Until you bother to look at it your anecdotes are a waste of time.
home schooling this week on BBI. Great if the kids get that time in with their peers.
I was in a Catholic school grades 1-8. Then it was onto public school for the rest of the time. I'll tell you that when I made the switch in 9th grade, the public school seemed so much easier than the private and my grades reflected it.
And to reiterate my earlier question, when the hell did we decide that the reason we sent kids to school wasn't to educate them or even to inculcate them with public/civic virtue but rather to socialize them? Is school really the only place where they can learn to get along with other children?
Because conscripted education is a similar atmosphere to one we must endure for 30-40 years of our lives after school's out for good.
So it's not just learning to socialize, but learning to tolerate individuals - maybe a lot of them - who you don't necessarily like. Who maybe you can't stand. But in the "real world" they're a part of life we gotta deal with in a professional manner.
Going away to space camp or math camp or for D & D tournaments is just an extension of the comfort zone that is their home and unlikely to offer certain coping skills. 2 minutes in - ( New Window )
And to reiterate my earlier question, when the hell did we decide that the reason we sent kids to school wasn't to educate them or even to inculcate them with public/civic virtue but rather to socialize them? Is school really the only place where they can learn to get along with other children?
Because conscripted education is a similar atmosphere to one we must endure for 30-40 years of our lives after school's out for good.
So it's not just learning to socialize, but learning to tolerate individuals - maybe a lot of them - who you don't necessarily like. Who maybe you can't stand. But in the "real world" they're a part of life we gotta deal with in a professional manner.
Going away to space camp or math camp or for D & D tournaments is just an extension of the comfort zone that is their home and unlikely to offer certain coping skills. 2 minutes in - ( New Window )
But...but...but....we demand safe spaces to protect us from microaggressions
kids didn't figure out how to get along with other kids? Children with siblings, children with neighbors, children with peers in other community settings?
kids didn't figure out how to get along with other kids? Children with siblings, children with neighbors, children with peers in other community settings?
While I'm sure the Ingall kids developed into pleasant adults, yes, I do think a compulsory trip to school everyday is uniquely suited to teach kids how to tolerate in a professional manner the same types of assholes (call them "Lumberghs") they'll be encountering for a very long time post-education.
most of us are public/private school taught, and many of us are bunch of ingrate assholes. I doubt that going to public/private school makes us any better at social interaction than someone, who was homeschooled. Better yet, I'm sure many of them are politer and better at treating others than many of us are.
Well...one of the most notorious serial killer wasn't homeschooled. Matter of fact, Jeffrey Dahmer drank like a fish in high school, which some on BBI have boasted to doing themselves.
kids didn't figure out how to get along with other kids? Children with siblings, children with neighbors, children with peers in other community settings?
While I'm sure the Ingall kids developed into pleasant adults, yes, I do think a compulsory trip to school everyday is uniquely suited to teach kids how to tolerate in a professional manner the same types of assholes (call them "Lumberghs") they'll be encountering for a very long time post-education.
Professionalism is an outcome of public school education? You learn something new every day.
needs things broken down to their most basic parts, but here goes...
Home-schooled: an enduring, near uninterrupted comfort zone
Public school: selfish assholes everywhere
Which one is more like the real world? Might it help an individual to learn from an early age how to tolerate (and perhaps manipulate) dbags & a-holes?
exist at summer camp, on sports teams, in Scouting, in church groups and in the neighborhood. That and not all such "education" on that score is positive or necessary. Someone cannot become a social and productive member of society without enduring eight hours a day of girls aged 12-15? And likewise without being a puny 6th or 9th grader subject to getting your ass kicked by older kids or those who came into their respective growth spurts.
Those two assumptions - that all socialization associated with K-12 education is necessary and positive, and that the majority of that socialization can't occur in extracurricular or normal social settings - I believe are flawed.
Well...one of the most notorious serial killer wasn't homeschooled. Matter of fact, Jeffrey Dahmer drank like a fish in high school, which some on BBI have boasted to doing themselves.
I'm more of a Gary Ridgway fan. He looks like he was homeschooled.
and the parents are thorough with both the educational & social aspects, normalcy and proper assimilation is achieved.
When it's done for the wrong reasons (hostility towards Darwin, for one example), the kid probably has the deck stacked against him/her.
I don't know...somehow I think that the success rate of homeschooled kids turning out just fine is good as or even better than our public or private school system turning out good successful people. If you haven't noticed, our education system isn't really all that these days.
And I'm a public school product, who'll send his kids to public school. But to somehow make a blanket statement regarding homeschooled kids seems a bit...dust_bowlish. Just saying.
Like my friend who told me he likes to eat lizards
I can envision plenty of legitimate reasons to do it: quality of schools in one's area, learning disability improperly nurtured by public schools, excessive bullying. Seems to me certain angles are difficult to replicate (sufficient interactions with the opposite sex?) but a committed non-wacko parent will likely do fine. So, no, not a blanket statement. I knew quite a few growing up (mostly at church which I was dragged to) and yes they were mostly strange to my jejune eyes. But I recognize that's anecdotal.
For the wrong reasons like shielding them from science, annoyance at lack of public prayer, hostility toward vaccines (to name a few, probably more...) they're not doing their kid any favors.
and we don't homeschool for religious reasons, but there are people who do so - up to and including creationism - who still succeed in raising smart kids prepared for the world.
who are taught and who absorb creationism are by definition poorly and insuffiently informed, but it's surely possible that other subjects are covered adequately.
needs things broken down to their most basic parts, but here goes...
Home-schooled: an enduring, near uninterrupted comfort zone
Public school: selfish assholes everywhere
Which one is more like the real world? Might it help an individual to learn from an early age how to tolerate (and perhaps manipulate) dbags & a-holes?
How about the home schooled kids spend 30 minutes a day on BBI to get their a-hole exposure?
who are taught and who absorb creationism are by definition poorly and insuffiently informed, but it's surely possible that other subjects are covered adequately.
Unsuspecting kids who are taught and absorb the silly cant that passes for civic virtue these days are poorly and insufficiently informed, but because such ignorance is broadly distributed no one notices or cares.
I find the fact that the OP said kids belong to society rather than...
...their parents disturbing. Parents should be responsible for what happens to children. Like obviously they can't abuse their children. But children belong to society? I don't even know what that means? It means some random guy on BBI decides how parents could and couldn't teach their children for the betterment of a mythical and vague concept of society?
...their parents disturbing. Parents should be responsible for what happens to children. Like obviously they can't abuse their children. But children belong to society? I don't even know what that means? It means some random guy on BBI decides how parents could and couldn't teach their children for the betterment of a mythical and vague concept of society?
Unfortunately there are many who do believe this. Welcome to the NWO!
RE: Like my friend who told me he likes to eat lizards
because they taste like chicken. He couldn't explain why he didn't just eat chicken.
Homeschooling is an awful lot of work for something that may not make much difference
And what if it does make a difference? You seem to be operating under the assumption that 99 and 44/100ths of the public school systems in this country are superb. Have you read any of BrittinVa's numerous posts on BBI over the last few years? If one had kids in that school system, even with dedicated teachers, I'd say the odds of a better outcome through home schooling are rather high.
BTW - Wouldn't eating lizards be one of the challenges, benefits and varied life experiences to be gained by attending public schools?
The local community contributes a child's development, whether you want to shield them from school or not. The "It takes a village to raise a child" may be too liberal for many here, but it has truth. Kids raised in better enviroments have better chances, and its not just family that matters.
As far as what is a "better enviroment" or what is "sufficient" or not, that is determined by the responsible party (the parent). If the kid is going to be a janitor, does it matter whether he/she is taught creationism or Darwinism? Lets spare kids (and parents) from our petty judgements about what is the "right" way to grow and develop.
Anyone ever see the TV show "Growing up Amish" or something like that. Once those kids got a taste of the world, they pretty much ran amok!
You're speaking of extreme cases. I'm not sure how many homeschooled families you know, but vast majority of them don't "isolate" their children from the world. They involve their kids in extracurricular activities to provide them opportunities to socialize with other children.
Dave is a strange, bored man who derives entertainment from silly things.
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that Uncle Frank got schooled?
Dave is a strange, bored man who derives entertainment from silly things.
I'm surprised that CaptSehorn hasn't been on this thread to go after Uncle Frank.
Private schools are great....if you can afford them. I'd love if I could afford private school for my kids - it would give us much more flexibility in the area we live in, for example. There are neighborhoods inside the Richmond city limits I'd love to live in, for example, but I wouldn't send my kids to Richmond city schools if you held a gun to my head.
Private schools are great....if you can afford them. I'd love if I could afford private school for my kids - it would give us much more flexibility in the area we live in, for example. There are neighborhoods inside the Richmond city limits I'd love to live in, for example, but I wouldn't send my kids to Richmond city schools if you held a gun to my head.
Agree 100%. Yes there are private schools, but the good ones are a buttload of money, some comparable to four-year colleges.
And to reiterate my earlier question, when the hell did we decide that the reason we sent kids to school wasn't to educate them or even to inculcate them with public/civic virtue but rather to socialize them? Is school really the only place where they can learn to get along with other children?
But if you have people who "homeschool" because they're too lazy to get their urchins to the bus stop in the morning, and homeschooling consists of whatever is on the tube between breakfast and Mama watching her "stories" in the afternoon, the results are not likely to be pretty.
It is frustrating, however, to deal with people who are inveterately hostile to the idea. For instance, the only "argument" I've seen advanced against homeschool kids getting the chance to play HS sports is the idea that academically ineligible kids might be made eligible through homeschooling. If the goal of sports and after-school programs is to enrich the lives of children, and not to ensure some sort of Division 1 caliber of amateur purity, that argument becomes ridiculous. And the advocates seem to giddily say "you can't have it both ways." Why not? Homeschooling parents pay taxes too, and because their children don't consume in-class services they could they actually save the districts money as it is.
There is in fact hard data regarding home schooling and public/private schooling. Until you bother to look at it your anecdotes are a waste of time.
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I was in a Catholic school grades 1-8. Then it was onto public school for the rest of the time. I'll tell you that when I made the switch in 9th grade, the public school seemed so much easier than the private and my grades reflected it.
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welcome to the party, he's had this handle for a couple of days now.
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I think I just found the latest incarnation of dust_bowl / brownstone.
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welcome to the party, he's had this handle for a couple of days now.
And he's still here? You guys are slacking!
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Definitely the simo/dustball/fuckstain dupe loser. Pathetic.
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that Uncle Frank got schooled?
Dave is a strange, bored man who derives entertainment from silly things.
Don't forget "blessed".
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How about go fuck yourself?
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HERE's DUSTBOWL!!
Because conscripted education is a similar atmosphere to one we must endure for 30-40 years of our lives after school's out for good.
So it's not just learning to socialize, but learning to tolerate individuals - maybe a lot of them - who you don't necessarily like. Who maybe you can't stand. But in the "real world" they're a part of life we gotta deal with in a professional manner.
Going away to space camp or math camp or for D & D tournaments is just an extension of the comfort zone that is their home and unlikely to offer certain coping skills.
2 minutes in - ( New Window )
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And to reiterate my earlier question, when the hell did we decide that the reason we sent kids to school wasn't to educate them or even to inculcate them with public/civic virtue but rather to socialize them? Is school really the only place where they can learn to get along with other children?
Because conscripted education is a similar atmosphere to one we must endure for 30-40 years of our lives after school's out for good.
So it's not just learning to socialize, but learning to tolerate individuals - maybe a lot of them - who you don't necessarily like. Who maybe you can't stand. But in the "real world" they're a part of life we gotta deal with in a professional manner.
Going away to space camp or math camp or for D & D tournaments is just an extension of the comfort zone that is their home and unlikely to offer certain coping skills. 2 minutes in - ( New Window )
But...but...but....we demand safe spaces to protect us from microaggressions
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I think I just found the latest incarnation of dust_bowl / brownstone.
Exact same style of posting and joined today with desired to get involved in arguments already.
HERE's DUSTBOWL!!
Well, here's dust_bowl now...for now at least.
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How about go fuck yourself?
Forgive me, I was homeschooled. Never learned social boundaries and am prone to offend normal, sensitive people.
While I'm sure the Ingall kids developed into pleasant adults, yes, I do think a compulsory trip to school everyday is uniquely suited to teach kids how to tolerate in a professional manner the same types of assholes (call them "Lumberghs") they'll be encountering for a very long time post-education.
I withdraw my contributions.
Well...one of the most notorious serial killer wasn't homeschooled. Matter of fact, Jeffrey Dahmer drank like a fish in high school, which some on BBI have boasted to doing themselves.
But parents who decide to do it are still crazy, and angry too!
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I think I just found the latest incarnation of dust_bowl / brownstone.
Exact same style of posting and joined today with desired to get involved in arguments already.
HERE's DUSTBOWL!!
Well, here's dust_bowl now...for now at least.
True enough. But:
"I got a million of 'em"
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kids didn't figure out how to get along with other kids? Children with siblings, children with neighbors, children with peers in other community settings?
While I'm sure the Ingall kids developed into pleasant adults, yes, I do think a compulsory trip to school everyday is uniquely suited to teach kids how to tolerate in a professional manner the same types of assholes (call them "Lumberghs") they'll be encountering for a very long time post-education.
Professionalism is an outcome of public school education? You learn something new every day.
Home-schooled: an enduring, near uninterrupted comfort zone
Public school: selfish assholes everywhere
Which one is more like the real world? Might it help an individual to learn from an early age how to tolerate (and perhaps manipulate) dbags & a-holes?
Those two assumptions - that all socialization associated with K-12 education is necessary and positive, and that the majority of that socialization can't occur in extracurricular or normal social settings - I believe are flawed.
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most serial killers were home schooled?
Well...one of the most notorious serial killer wasn't homeschooled. Matter of fact, Jeffrey Dahmer drank like a fish in high school, which some on BBI have boasted to doing themselves.
I'm more of a Gary Ridgway fan. He looks like he was homeschooled.
When it's done for the wrong reasons (hostility towards Darwin, for one example), the kid probably has the deck stacked against him/her.
When it's done for the wrong reasons (hostility towards Darwin, for one example), the kid probably has the deck stacked against him/her.
I don't know...somehow I think that the success rate of homeschooled kids turning out just fine is good as or even better than our public or private school system turning out good successful people. If you haven't noticed, our education system isn't really all that these days.
And I'm a public school product, who'll send his kids to public school. But to somehow make a blanket statement regarding homeschooled kids seems a bit...dust_bowlish. Just saying.
Homeschooling is an awful lot of work for something that may not make much difference
For the wrong reasons like shielding them from science, annoyance at lack of public prayer, hostility toward vaccines (to name a few, probably more...) they're not doing their kid any favors.
Home-schooled: an enduring, near uninterrupted comfort zone
Public school: selfish assholes everywhere
Which one is more like the real world? Might it help an individual to learn from an early age how to tolerate (and perhaps manipulate) dbags & a-holes?
How about the home schooled kids spend 30 minutes a day on BBI to get their a-hole exposure?
Unsuspecting kids who are taught and absorb the silly cant that passes for civic virtue these days are poorly and insufficiently informed, but because such ignorance is broadly distributed no one notices or cares.
Unfortunately there are many who do believe this. Welcome to the NWO!
Homeschooling is an awful lot of work for something that may not make much difference
And what if it does make a difference? You seem to be operating under the assumption that 99 and 44/100ths of the public school systems in this country are superb. Have you read any of BrittinVa's numerous posts on BBI over the last few years? If one had kids in that school system, even with dedicated teachers, I'd say the odds of a better outcome through home schooling are rather high.
BTW - Wouldn't eating lizards be one of the challenges, benefits and varied life experiences to be gained by attending public schools?
As far as what is a "better enviroment" or what is "sufficient" or not, that is determined by the responsible party (the parent). If the kid is going to be a janitor, does it matter whether he/she is taught creationism or Darwinism? Lets spare kids (and parents) from our petty judgements about what is the "right" way to grow and develop.