on SB XLII Sunday during the game. I won it on his Jay Fund auction. Obviously the only one of its kind in the world. I get to see it every time I see the game, watch the highlights and see still photos including the Gatorade dunk..😀
Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
The reality is that Fredrickson was actually a good pick at #1 talent-wise and the reason he didn't have the career he showed himself capable of was he blew out his knee very early in his career. Sound familiar?
I too love to tell everyone that the Giants defeated an undefeated team in the championship game twice with the 1934 sneaker game. Now why would you mention 1942, I just looked that up, we beat the Redskins in the second game of the season, not the same thing, not even a big deal, but you didn't mention the 1998 win over Denver. To me the fact that we did it in championship games twice is amazing. I also love to point out the gatorade dunk, spike, and of course the D-Fense chant which we hardly ever do anymore. I used to think Knicks fans invented that.
But it is interesting to think about it. For me There was one that immediately came to mind: Bob Tucker was the first Tight End to ever lead th e league in receptions. I think he had 59 catches, don t remember the year
And one mentioned on this thread: that Homer Jones invented the spike
RE: The Giants prevented three undefeated seasons. Â
but I think its pretty cool how many legendary coaches came through the Giants, Landry, Lombardi, Belicheck, Parcells, Coughlin, and maybe some others I'm not thinking of.
Imagine what sort of season a CENTER would have to have in today's NFL to win league MVP.
Wouldn't happen. Center is a different kind of position now. In the old Steve Owen A formation, Hein was almost more like a modern QB than a modern C. He had the option of snapping to any of the three backs. Despite the success Owen had with the A formation, virtually no one else used it because no one else had a center like Mel Hein.
I too love to tell everyone that the Giants defeated an undefeated team in the championship game twice with the 1934 sneaker game. Now why would you mention 1942, I just looked that up, we beat the Redskins in the second game of the season, not the same thing, not even a big deal, but you didn't mention the 1998 win over Denver. To me the fact that we did it in championship games twice is amazing. I also love to point out the gatorade dunk, spike, and of course the D-Fense chant which we hardly ever do anymore. I used to think Knicks fans invented that.
The 1942 Redskins only lost only that one game, and defeated the unbeaten Bears for the NFL championship. In that remarkable game the Giants had one yard rushing and completed one pass, and won with punting, stout defense and an interception return.
In 1998 the Broncos lost to Miami the week after they lost to the Giants, so that one lost some of its luster.
Imagine what sort of season a CENTER would have to have in today's NFL to win league MVP.
Hein was also a world class defender - playing a proto-linebacker position. He was strong enough to drop power backs like Bronko Nagurski and athletic and fast enough to cover receivers like Don Hutson.
It is not at all an exaggeration to classify Mel Hein as the Lawrence Taylor of his era. Wellington Mars himself once said that Taylor was the only Giant to equal Hein as a player.
It was much more complicated that that, and Wellington did try to get Lombardi back from Green Bay. Everyone knew Sherman was the second choice, including Sherman himself.
Imagine what sort of season a CENTER would have to have in today's NFL to win league MVP.
Wouldn't happen. Center is a different kind of position now. In the old Steve Owen A formation, Hein was almost more like a modern QB than a modern C. He had the option of snapping to any of the three backs. Despite the success Owen had with the A formation, virtually no one else used it because no one else had a center like Mel Hein.
Very true. The thing that made the Owen A-Formation so unique was the unorthodox line splits. Only Hein could cover the ground necessary after the snap to effectively make a block. Other teams tried it with standard splits, but it didn't work as well, and nobody could snap the ball as accurately as Hein.
In the 1960's Al Davis tutored Jim Otto on snapping techniques by showing him films of Hein from the 1940's.
Eli Manning has a better TD percentage, a better INT percentage (and therefore a better TD/INT ratio), more yards per attempt, a better passer rating and a higher winning percentage than Tom Brady.
was first choice for head coach before Allie Sherman was hired in 1961 and later to replace him. In 1961, Lombardi was under contract to Green Bay and stayed there. Several versions why. In 1969, he was again the first choice, but Lombardi and the team couldn't come to an agreement.
Eli Manning has a better TD percentage, a better INT percentage (and therefore a better TD/INT ratio), more yards per attempt, a better passer rating and a higher winning percentage than Tom Brady.
You would have to include Peyton Manning as well as having inferior stats to Eli if you go down that road.
Having said that, this little Eli trivia adds more to the arsenal that Brady wasn't better than Montana, which seems to grow more traction each year because of accumulated stats.
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Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
The reality is that Fredrickson was actually a good pick at #1 talent-wise and the reason he didn't have the career he showed himself capable of was he blew out his knee very early in his career. Sound familiar?
I was only 9 at the time of that draft, so I can't judge fairly pre NFL career wether Fredrickson merited #1 overall. But I was sharp enough by Sayers' 2nd year to know he was about 2 giant tiers a superior talent to Tucker.
If you are claiming that retrospectively after their careers, LOL, and injury has nothing to do with that judgement.
In comment 13013342 BlueLou said: Quote: is a huge minus!
Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
The reality is that Fredrickson was actually a good pick at #1 talent-wise and the reason he didn't have the career he showed himself capable of was he blew out his knee very early in his career. Sound familiar?
I was only 9 at the time of that draft, so I can't judge fairly pre NFL career wether Fredrickson merited #1 overall. But I was sharp enough by Sayers' 2nd year to know he was about 2 giant tiers a superior talent to Tucker.
If you are claiming that retrospectively after their careers, LOL, and injury has nothing to do with that judgement.
Many people say the Giants should've drafted Sayers with that first pick, but I disagree. They lost so many quality players just before and just after the '64 season, running back was the last thing they needed. Butkus would've been a great addition, but they had an even bigger hole in their roster, QB.
Y A Tittle was old, banged up and coming off his worst year. He retired before training camp and the Giants had absolutely no one to replace him. Over the next few years, they traded 2 starters, two # 1's, two # 2's and a #3 for Earl Morrall and Fran Tarkenton. With the first pick of the 1965 draft, whether it would've worked out or not, the Giants should've made an all out effort to get Joe Namath.
against the Ravens. You know, like the Dallas Cowboys.
But you're right, who cares about the 49ers.
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After years of taking our case to the people, of making their claim our cause, the 1984 Bears will finally get their just due on the grandest stage of all.
At the Super Bowl.
No, we're not talking about the '85 Bears. This is for the 1984 Central Division champs and their rightful place in history.
And what, exactly, is that?
Well, let's start with a quest that began more than a decade ago.
Tired of years and years of Gatorade celebrating the 1986 N.Y. Giants as the team that invented the bucket dump, we tried to get Gatorade to dunk their story and give credit where credit was due.
They wanted nothing to do with the facts getting in the way of their good story, which in their version had the Giants of Harry Carson and Bill Parcells as the first to do it, and of all places, in the Super Bowl.
But it wasn't true.
The Bears introduced the move to the NFL in 1984 when Dan Hampton dumped a bucket on Mike Ditka as the Bears clinched the NFC Central.
1950s-1960s QB Charley Conerly was the original Marlboro Man.
Yeah! Yeah! I know smoking is a killer, but I recently saw a documentary of the great Johnny Unitas having a cig' at half time of an NFL chamiponship. A different time.
Pigging backing on that, they're also the only team to win four consecutive super bowls.
Seriously though, the spike invention is the coolest.
I'm guessing you mean decades not seasons.
Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
The reality is that Fredrickson was actually a good pick at #1 talent-wise and the reason he didn't have the career he showed himself capable of was he blew out his knee very early in his career. Sound familiar?
OH wait EVERYONE knows that!! HAHAHAAHAHAHA
And one mentioned on this thread: that Homer Jones invented the spike
Broncos too, but I don't recall the year.
And in NFC Championship Games played at home, they haven't allowed a single point.
Eh it's fine. Welcome to the party!!
Yes!!!
Also, the Giants tried a cheerleading squad back in the '70s, but they faced the wrong way and it spelled "Stnaig" for the world to see
AMAZINGLY, THAT is still the Giants All-Time TD record. Manning threw 35 last year.
Wouldn't happen. Center is a different kind of position now. In the old Steve Owen A formation, Hein was almost more like a modern QB than a modern C. He had the option of snapping to any of the three backs. Despite the success Owen had with the A formation, virtually no one else used it because no one else had a center like Mel Hein.
The 1942 Redskins only lost only that one game, and defeated the unbeaten Bears for the NFL championship. In that remarkable game the Giants had one yard rushing and completed one pass, and won with punting, stout defense and an interception return.
In 1998 the Broncos lost to Miami the week after they lost to the Giants, so that one lost some of its luster.
Hein was also a world class defender - playing a proto-linebacker position. He was strong enough to drop power backs like Bronko Nagurski and athletic and fast enough to cover receivers like Don Hutson.
It is not at all an exaggeration to classify Mel Hein as the Lawrence Taylor of his era. Wellington Mars himself once said that Taylor was the only Giant to equal Hein as a player.
It was much more complicated that that, and Wellington did try to get Lombardi back from Green Bay. Everyone knew Sherman was the second choice, including Sherman himself.
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Imagine what sort of season a CENTER would have to have in today's NFL to win league MVP.
Wouldn't happen. Center is a different kind of position now. In the old Steve Owen A formation, Hein was almost more like a modern QB than a modern C. He had the option of snapping to any of the three backs. Despite the success Owen had with the A formation, virtually no one else used it because no one else had a center like Mel Hein.
Very true. The thing that made the Owen A-Formation so unique was the unorthodox line splits. Only Hein could cover the ground necessary after the snap to effectively make a block. Other teams tried it with standard splits, but it didn't work as well, and nobody could snap the ball as accurately as Hein.
In the 1960's Al Davis tutored Jim Otto on snapping techniques by showing him films of Hein from the 1940's.
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Giants are the only team to win a Super Bowl once in each of the last four seasons.
Pigging backing on that, they're also the only team to win four consecutive super bowls.
You have to explain this one to me.... Or are you just forgetting that we lost to the Ravens?
*jams fingers into ears, starts humming loudly*
Pat Summerall
Kyle Rote
Frank Gifford
Phil Simms
Danny Kannell
Jesse Palmer
Shaun O'Hara
Mike Mayock
Kurt Warner
Michael Strahan
Who am I forgetting?
Pat Summerall
Kyle Rote
Frank Gifford
Phil Simms
Danny Kannell
Jesse Palmer
Shaun O'Hara
Mike Mayock
Kurt Warner
Michael Strahan
Who am I forgetting?
Al DeRogatis
You would have to include Peyton Manning as well as having inferior stats to Eli if you go down that road.
Having said that, this little Eli trivia adds more to the arsenal that Brady wasn't better than Montana, which seems to grow more traction each year because of accumulated stats.
must have been something godd@mned Fassel never tole anyone about
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Giants are the only team to win a Super Bowl once in each of the last four seasons.
I'm guessing you mean decades not seasons.
Yes, that's what I meant. That's what happens when you get home and sip a few cocktails.
Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
The reality is that Fredrickson was actually a good pick at #1 talent-wise and the reason he didn't have the career he showed himself capable of was he blew out his knee very early in his career. Sound familiar?
I was only 9 at the time of that draft, so I can't judge fairly pre NFL career wether Fredrickson merited #1 overall. But I was sharp enough by Sayers' 2nd year to know he was about 2 giant tiers a superior talent to Tucker.
If you are claiming that retrospectively after their careers, LOL, and injury has nothing to do with that judgement.
Who cares about the 49ers
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In comment 13013342 BlueLou said: Quote: is a huge minus!
Taking RB Tucker Fredrickson 1st overall while bypassing both Gayle Sayers (7th) AND Dick Butkus (3rd) in the 1965 draft.
Oy veh.
The reality is that Fredrickson was actually a good pick at #1 talent-wise and the reason he didn't have the career he showed himself capable of was he blew out his knee very early in his career. Sound familiar?
I was only 9 at the time of that draft, so I can't judge fairly pre NFL career wether Fredrickson merited #1 overall. But I was sharp enough by Sayers' 2nd year to know he was about 2 giant tiers a superior talent to Tucker.
If you are claiming that retrospectively after their careers, LOL, and injury has nothing to do with that judgement.
Y A Tittle was old, banged up and coming off his worst year. He retired before training camp and the Giants had absolutely no one to replace him. Over the next few years, they traded 2 starters, two # 1's, two # 2's and a #3 for Earl Morrall and Fran Tarkenton. With the first pick of the 1965 draft, whether it would've worked out or not, the Giants should've made an all out effort to get Joe Namath.
But you're right, who cares about the 49ers.
After years of taking our case to the people, of making their claim our cause, the 1984 Bears will finally get their just due on the grandest stage of all.
At the Super Bowl.
No, we're not talking about the '85 Bears. This is for the 1984 Central Division champs and their rightful place in history.
And what, exactly, is that?
Well, let's start with a quest that began more than a decade ago.
Tired of years and years of Gatorade celebrating the 1986 N.Y. Giants as the team that invented the bucket dump, we tried to get Gatorade to dunk their story and give credit where credit was due.
They wanted nothing to do with the facts getting in the way of their good story, which in their version had the Giants of Harry Carson and Bill Parcells as the first to do it, and of all places, in the Super Bowl.
But it wasn't true.
The Bears introduced the move to the NFL in 1984 when Dan Hampton dumped a bucket on Mike Ditka as the Bears clinched the NFC Central.
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Yeah! Yeah! I know smoking is a killer, but I recently saw a documentary of the great Johnny Unitas having a cig' at half time of an NFL chamiponship. A different time.
Wait, really?
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The Giants spelled backwards, Stnaig, is a bit character in the Star Wars cantina because of George Lucas' love of the franchise.
Wait, really?
No. And if were true, it'd probably be the San Francisco Giants.