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NFT: Knicks Chat 6/20/2016-Phil crazed with Baze?

DanMetroMan : 6/29/2016 8:25 am
The Knicks have heavy interest in Hawks 6-foot-5 shooting guard Kent Bazemore, but they may be priced out or simply shut out, according to NBA sources.

Between a starting center and shooting guard, Knicks president Phil Jackson has to craftily split his $29 million-plus of cap space. That figure accounts for cap holds on four of his own free agents (Derrick Williams, Kevin Seraphin, Lance Thomas, Langston Galloway).

Bazemore is high on the Knicks list for a shooting guard, but they know resources arent unlimited if they want to sign their own free agents to pacts that will allow them to go over the salary cap.

Bazemore is not setting up any meetings with teams until the Hawks make their intentions clear whether they will go for his large asking price. Meanwhile, a report Tuesday night stated Miami shooting guard and friend of Carmelo Anthony Dwyane Wade, 34, who had been considered a shoo-in to re-sign with the Heat, is supposedly open to offers after early talks didnt go well.
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RE: Is KD going to be in the hamptons this weekend?  
Heisenberg : 6/29/2016 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13014128 giantsfan44ab said:
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My relatives rented a place there for the week and I'm heading up there to visit them today.


Stake out.
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DanMetroMan : 6/29/2016 4:09 pm : link
Details on @TheVertical: Pistons trading guard Jodie Meeks to the Magic for a second-round pick.
Targets coming into picture  
Coach Mason : 6/29/2016 6:39 pm : link
@JSports_ent
Sources: Courtney Lee's agent has spoken with Lee about joining the #Knicks I'm told Noah is the one recruiting Lee to NY if he comes.
5:23 PM - 29 Jun 2016

If no Durant, Lee and Noah next highest priorities. That would make the most sense.
Lee is a bust!  
Carl in CT : 6/29/2016 6:44 pm : link
I would rather take a shot on Eric Gordon. Kid was a stud. If we are hoping Rose stays healthy lets go all in with Gordon too!
RE: Targets coming into picture  
Lopes1984 : 6/29/2016 6:47 pm : link
In comment 13014622 Coach Mason said:
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@JSports_ent
Sources: Courtney Lee's agent has spoken with Lee about joining the #Knicks I'm told Noah is the one recruiting Lee to NY if he comes.
5:23 PM - 29 Jun 2016

If no Durant, Lee and Noah next highest priorities. That would make the most sense.


Honestly, unless they come here with options that allow the Knicks to be rid of them after this season, I would be pretty disappointed if they made large commitments to Noah and Lee.
I think whatever Lee gets  
Deej : 6/29/2016 6:54 pm : link
he'll be tradable after the season if we need cap space for a stud. Noah is a different story. Material chance he's an albatross on a deal for real term.
The way hornacek talked and what is being reported  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2016 6:58 pm : link
I think knicks feel like they have their big 3 now and are going to add role players now to fill out their team...

I think if rose has a good year he will be resigned...

So they add noah and Lee and hopefully another bench pieces then next year resign rose and add a 1st and another role player...

RE: I think whatever Lee gets  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2016 6:59 pm : link
In comment 13014645 Deej said:
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he'll be tradable after the season if we need cap space for a stud. Noah is a different story. Material chance he's an albatross on a deal for real term.


With noah I would go 3 years with option after 2 at most...

But if he is healthy and rose is healthy you got a good balanced starting lineup with Lee and.noah next to rose Melo and kp
The more I think about Noah  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2016 7:05 pm : link
the less I want him here. The prospect of a long-term contract for him has me debating the merits of Dwight Howard, which is scary. And you can tell they're hell bent on signing a center.
I really like  
Jon in NYC : 6/29/2016 7:09 pm : link
A Rose-Lee-Melo-KP-Noah lineup. Great balance if people stay healthy.
RE: The more I think about Noah  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2016 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13014666 bceagle05 said:
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the less I want him here. The prospect of a long-term contract for him has me debating the merits of Dwight Howard, which is scary. And you can tell they're hell bent on signing a center.


Hornacek said today their main priority is a center and not as worried about sg
RE: I really like  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2016 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13014671 Jon in NYC said:
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A Rose-Lee-Melo-KP-Noah lineup. Great balance if people stay healthy.


If rose is healthy they are a top 4 team in East and I think they could compete with Toronto for division
The Knicks still can't defend at guard  
djm : 6/29/2016 7:16 pm : link
...they need a player there badly.
My best guess is  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2016 7:25 pm : link
Noah and Lee will end up here. And we'll have to hold our breath that the former Bulls hold up.
With health and KP making expected progression top 2-3 seed  
Coach Mason : 6/29/2016 7:27 pm : link
Noah/Hernangomez
KP/OQuinn
Melo/Thomas
Lee/Crawford?/Holiday/Galloway/Baker
Rose/Holiday/Galloway

Pretty balanced lineup: enough scoring, some good defenders, mid range shooting, ok not great overall 3 range, also legit coach in Hornacek will also make a big difference
2 things I like about adding noah and rose  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2016 7:43 pm : link
1 both have a lot to prove and both are hungry to prove they can still play in this league...

2 they have been there and played hard fought playoff series and both hate lebron
RE: The more I think about Noah  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13014666 bceagle05 said:
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the less I want him here. The prospect of a long-term contract for him has me debating the merits of Dwight Howard, which is scary. And you can tell they're hell bent on signing a center.


Describes my feelings exactly. Although I wouldn't bet against Noah. I think he's gonna be alright.
RE: 2 things I like about adding noah and rose  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2016 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13014722 nygiants16 said:
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1 both have a lot to prove and both are hungry to prove they can still play in this league...

2 they have been there and played hard fought playoff series and both hate lebron


I mean so has Dwight Howard.
would be awesome for the Knicks to find a big man  
mfsd : 6/29/2016 8:18 pm : link
do the dirty work, freeing KP up to develop his game without always having to bang with the other top bigs.

And yes, guys like that are at a premium, so we are likely to overpay for such a player in terms of both money and length of deal.

Or we could just trade for Oakley and sign Mason out of the CBA...
I'd prefer Whiteside to Noah or Howard.  
yatqb : 6/29/2016 9:45 pm : link
Interesting that there's no talk of the Knicks having an interest in him. He's unlikely to land a contract as high as Howard's.
RE: I'd prefer Whiteside to Noah or Howard.  
nygiants16 : 6/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
In comment 13014854 yatqb said:
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Interesting that there's no talk of the Knicks having an interest in him. He's unlikely to land a contract as high as Howard's.


There is a worry with whiteside that he will become lazy the minute he signs that contract...
RE: RE: I'd prefer Whiteside to Noah or Howard.  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13014870 nygiants16 said:
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Interesting that there's no talk of the Knicks having an interest in him. He's unlikely to land a contract as high as Howard's.



There is a worry with whiteside that he will become lazy the minute he signs that contract...


Whiteside has emotional issues he doesn't handle well on the court but I don't think he's gonna turn into eddy curry after he signs his contract. The dude had to work hard to get back to playing ball in the states. Despite his OD'd comments I don't have much concern about how he will perform.
RE: RE: RE: I'd prefer Whiteside to Noah or Howard.  
giantsfan44ab : 6/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13014879 giantsfan44ab said:
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Interesting that there's no talk of the Knicks having an interest in him. He's unlikely to land a contract as high as Howard's.



There is a worry with whiteside that he will become lazy the minute he signs that contract...



Whiteside has emotional issues he doesn't handle well on the court but I don't think he's gonna turn into eddy curry after he signs his contract. The dude had to work hard to get back to playing ball in the states. Despite his OD'd comments I don't have much concern about how he will perform.


Should be "odd"
RE: RE: First of all, people are making a big deal out of this meeting  
steve in ky : 6/29/2016 10:17 pm : link
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Durant has had plenty of time "meeting" with the Knicks via Carmelo. He trusts Carmelo more than anyone he's going to meet with at Knicks HQ and IMO if he takes the meeting with the Knicks it means that they are finalists for him. It's not as if he has to check in with them to make sure they match on salary.

Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.



I have to disagree. You don't think Durant has close friends on some of the 6 teams he's meeting with? Why bother meeting with those teams then? Melo didn't even have a say into the HC position so how much insight could he give toward Phil's vision? Melo might be a nice bonus "voice" but no meeting is a bad sign any way you slice it. in fact, you would think as a "favor" to Melo he'd take the meeting (if he changes his mind, it's likely the main reason he did).


How many players on the other teams has he been close friends with since high school and looks up to as a big brother?

I'm not saying Melo will get him to sign with the Knicks but I doubt too many other teams in consideration have a key player on their roster he is as close with as he is with Melo.
Bill Simmons destroyed Dolan on his HBO show tonight.  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2016 10:35 pm : link
Not that I care about that whiny Masshole, but this could signal the end of the ongoing Simmons/Francesa bromance.
RE: Bill Simmons destroyed Dolan on his HBO show tonight.  
steve in ky : 6/29/2016 10:41 pm : link
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Not that I care about that whiny Masshole, but this could signal the end of the ongoing Simmons/Francesa bromance.


Didn't see it but with a new show you think he would have something more relevant to talk about.
Steve  
PaulBlakeTSU : 6/29/2016 11:36 pm : link
it was relevant because it was about the Derrick Rose signing, and how the Knicks are linked to Dwight Howard. He was railing against the idea of them getting Howard and how the Knicks have a long history of signing stars way past their primes.
PaulBlakeTSU  
steve in ky : 6/29/2016 11:40 pm : link
IMO bashing Dolan for the state of the Knicks is old and tired at this point and a rather weak topic for someone with a brand new show.

...  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2016 11:47 pm : link
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Marc Stein
Marc Stein Verified account ‏@ESPNSteinLine

Have heard the same lament from multiple interested teams tonight: They see New York as a big favorite to land Joakim Noah in free agency.
8:40 PM - 29 Jun 2016
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The Knicks are causing teams to "lament."  
bceagle05 : 6/29/2016 11:50 pm : link
Progress.
Sounds like it's basically done  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2016 12:02 am : link
Howard beck tweeted a guy who said 18 million a year for noah
Wonder if knicks dump oquinn  
nygiants16 : 6/30/2016 12:08 am : link
To get to 20 million in cap space after signing noah
Hopefully they didn't go four years  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2016 12:10 am : link
but they most likely did. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's three.
This just came through on  
colin : 6/30/2016 12:19 am : link
My Bleacher Report App. Saying Noah expected to sign for $18 Mil.
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RE: Wonder if knicks dump oquinn  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2016 12:23 am : link
In comment 13014950 nygiants16 said:
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To get to 20 million in cap space after signing noah


Sure hope not. I think he's more valuable than ever if Noah gets hurt.
Can they still give Baze  
giantsfan44ab : 6/30/2016 12:31 am : link
$13-16M while keeping cap holds on Thomas and Gallo?

It's about what I expected Noah to get. I guess it's almost the same as giving RoLo what he got last season. Higher risk, higher reward.
Sure sounds  
Phil in LA : 6/30/2016 12:36 am : link
like Noah will be the get.
Putting all the salary cap issues aside for a moment...  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2016 12:43 am : link
Noah's long been one of my favorite players in the league. From that standpoint, it's pretty cool to have him in orange and blue.
Multiple sources are confirming that Noah for $18 million now  
Mason : 6/30/2016 12:46 am : link
ESPN and Foxsports.

Melo brought the Bulls less Butler to the Knicks. Huh. A weird two years.
I should state they are confirming 'that's what they are hearing'  
Mason : 6/30/2016 12:48 am : link
whatever that means.
For those of you that follow the cap #'s  
steve in ky : 6/30/2016 1:03 am : link
and assuming this is true could they still sign KD if he was willing to after signing Noah?
RE: I should state they are confirming 'that's what they are hearing'  
adamg : 6/30/2016 1:04 am : link
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whatever that means.


Didn't see this discussion ongoing in the Baze thread. Just posted a thread that WashPo reported this as well. Same 18 mill figure and all. Sounds like the deal is written and to be signed on Friday.
RE: For those of you that follow the cap #'s  
adamg : 6/30/2016 1:09 am : link
In comment 13014966 steve in ky said:
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and assuming this is true could they still sign KD if he was willing to after signing Noah?


Reportedly, that isn't possible. Unless Durant would take sub-max money, which isn't likely.

They had 30 mill in space before this deal. So, they probably will only sign a starting SG and then fill the spots in between.
18 mil PER YEAR?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/30/2016 1:14 am : link
WTF... please tell me it's a 1 & 1. That's just fucking insane.
It's a high number but  
bceagle05 : 6/30/2016 1:17 am : link
it takes up the same percentage of the cap as Lopez's last year. The bigger issue is years. But let's face it - we're taking a big risk here. Rose, Noah and Melo are always banged up.
RE: RE: For those of you that follow the cap #'s  
Mason : 6/30/2016 1:20 am : link
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and assuming this is true could they still sign KD if he was willing to after signing Noah?



Reportedly, that isn't possible. Unless Durant would take sub-max money, which isn't likely.

They had 30 mill in space before this deal. So, they probably will only sign a starting SG and then fill the spots in between.


Sounds like Courtney Lee is indeed that SG.
RE: It's a high number but  
Mason : 6/30/2016 1:21 am : link
In comment 13014972 bceagle05 said:
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it takes up the same percentage of the cap as Lopez's last year. The bigger issue is years. But let's face it - we're taking a big risk here. Rose, Noah and Melo are always banged up.


Two years with an option for third.
Noah healthy is literally the perfect center for the triangle,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/30/2016 1:22 am : link
although who knows if we're even playing that shit anymore. The problem is Thibs ran Noah into the ground a few years ago. Phil must've remembered the great game he had against the Knicks this season. Only problem is that was one of the last games he played and that was before Christmas.
RE: RE: RE: For those of you that follow the cap #'s  
adamg : 6/30/2016 1:25 am : link
In comment 13014974 Mason said:
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and assuming this is true could they still sign KD if he was willing to after signing Noah?



Reportedly, that isn't possible. Unless Durant would take sub-max money, which isn't likely.

They had 30 mill in space before this deal. So, they probably will only sign a starting SG and then fill the spots in between.



Sounds like Courtney Lee is indeed that SG.


Thank you for that info. Sounds like a good priced SG that would give us wiggle room next offseason to go big again if the Rose move fails.

I'm praying for Westbrook. I love that guy.
Are the reports that Noah is playing with bone on bone in his knees  
Mason : 6/30/2016 1:26 am : link
true? I'm waiting to see if Noah can pass the Knicks physical.
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