The Knicks have heavy interest in Hawks 6-foot-5 shooting guard Kent Bazemore, but they may be priced out or simply shut out, according to NBA sources.
Between a starting center and shooting guard, Knicks president Phil Jackson has to craftily split his $29 million-plus of cap space. That figure accounts for cap holds on four of his own free agents (Derrick Williams, Kevin Seraphin, Lance Thomas, Langston Galloway).
Bazemore is high on the Knicks list for a shooting guard, but they know resources arent unlimited if they want to sign their own free agents to pacts that will allow them to go over the salary cap.
Bazemore is not setting up any meetings with teams until the Hawks make their intentions clear whether they will go for his large asking price. Meanwhile, a report Tuesday night stated Miami shooting guard and friend of Carmelo Anthony Dwyane Wade, 34, who had been considered a shoo-in to re-sign with the Heat, is supposedly open to offers after early talks didnt go well.
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Didn't they take on money with Rose?
I think they're both getting more than that.
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In space? Isn't the cap at $94M and they're at $55M? Or does that not include holds?
Didn't they take on money with Rose?
Thought Rose was $21M but RoLo was $14M and Calderon at $7M
See OP. 29 b/c of holds.
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In space? Isn't the cap at $94M and they're at $55M? Or does that not include holds?
See OP. 29 b/c of holds.
Yeah I just flat out ignored it. But can't they renounce Williams and seraphin to get immediate space?
I like Bazemore at around 15 mill, i know its an overpay, but everyone is going to be an overpay. I think of it as it would be like 10 mill before the cap jump and that seems about right. I dont love Lee, but im ok with him as well.
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In space? Isn't the cap at $94M and they're at $55M? Or does that not include holds?
See OP. 29 b/c of holds.
Yeah I just flat out ignored it. But can't they renounce Williams and seraphin to get immediate space?
Yea.
Re-sign Thomas at around $8M per year and Galloway at $6-7M per year.
Sign Noah for $15-16M on 3-4 years
Sign a SG on a 1 year deal (e.g. Joe Johnson) with remaining cap space.
If we hit the cap we can then use the MLE right? If so, what's that projected to be this season?
Re-sign Thomas at around $8M per year and Galloway at $6-7M per year.
Sign Noah for $15-16M on 3-4 years
Sign a SG on a 1 year deal (e.g. Joe Johnson) with remaining cap space.
If we hit the cap we can then use the MLE right? If so, what's that projected to be this season?
teams entering the offseason with cap space aren't allowed to use the mid-level exception. They however are able to use the Room-exception. It is less than the middle and I believe its a % of the revenue sharing I believe. It does sound like they are waiting to use the room exception to bring Willy Hernangomez over since I doubt he comes over with a minimum contract.
KP/KOQ
Melo/Lance
Lee/Galloway
Rose/DJ Augustin
Top 4 in the east? A lot of iffy guys injury wise.
Just gotta be a free agent at the right time. Two summers from now when the cap goes down, things will be very different.
+ Ideal 3-and-D role player who started a career-high 74 games in 2014-15
+ Consistently very good 3-point shooter. Can make plays off the dribble as needed
+ Reliable, though unspectacular defender. Poor rebounder
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With hindsight, Memphis getting Lee for Jerryd Bayless in a trade that also saw the teams swap second-round picks looks like an incredible steal. Lee has started 121 of his 126 games for the Grizzlies, fitting perfectly into their lineup as a role player while making a reserve's salary ($5.7 million this season). Expect him to get a big raise as an unrestricted free agent next summer.
Lee has brought Memphis much-needed shooting. His ratio of 3s to long 2s -- about 3 to 2 last season -- is still lower than it should be, but Lee made a career-high 90 triples at a 40.2 percent clip, the fourth time in seven years in the NBA that Lee has made between 40 and 41 percent of his 3-point tries. He's capable enough as a ballhandler to help relieve pressure on Mike Conley and to make a play when opponents close out too hard, and Lee has historically been a great finisher when he does get to the rim.
The "D" part of Lee's 3-and-D role is more up for interpretation. With the Grizzlies he's had the luxury of defending weaker wing options. At 6-foot-5, he wouldn't be big enough to defend many small forwards on a team that needed him to be its primary stopper on the perimeter. Lee's rebounding also became problematic last season, as he averaged just 3.7 rebounds per 36 minutes. But he's got good feet and can hold his own against most shooting guards and non-threatening small forwards.
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Haha that's actually pretty cool.
If Baze and Lee are wishing like $5M of each other I think I'd go Baze. I've always thought Lee was underrated but he's a declining player. Baze has improved almost every season he's been in the league.
+ Lefty corner specialist with tree branches for arms
+ Elite rebounder for size but needs better handles
+ Should be a better defender
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It's not a good sign for Bazemore that the Hawks brought a similarly skilled Justin Holiday onto the squad. Bazemore is long-limbed and raw offensively, but he worked hard to become a corner threat. He made 42.2 percent of his tries in the corners, which made up nearly a quarter of his shot diet.
The issue with Bazemore is he's not skilled enough to run the occasional pick-and-roll. He can't create his own shot and tends to get out of control the moment he sees daylight. He struggles in transition and on cuts, which is a waste for someone gifted with a wingspan such as his.
Bazemore's top skill is his rebounding. He pulled down six rebounds per 36 minutes in both the regular season and playoffs. Until he becomes a more versatile scorer, Bazemore will have to compete with Holiday for Carroll's minutes. Although he can swat and swipe, his team defense isn't good enough for him to be a 3-and-D weapon. Yet.
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I think realistically that is going to be what happens. If we think 13-14 is "fair" then I expect him to get more like 18-19.
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what we should probably do is decide what we think is fair and then add around 5 mill to that.
I think realistically that is going to be what happens. If we think 13-14 is "fair" then I expect him to get more like 18-19.
So if they sign Baze for around that much and Noah for around $16-17, can they go over the cap to keep Galloway and Thomas?
KP/KOQ
Melo/Lance
Lee/Galloway
Rose/DJ Augustin
Top 4 in the east? A lot of iffy guys injury wise.
Yeah, I think that's top 4.
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what we should probably do is decide what we think is fair and then add around 5 mill to that.
I think realistically that is going to be what happens. If we think 13-14 is "fair" then I expect him to get more like 18-19.
So if they sign Baze for around that much and Noah for around $16-17, can they go over the cap to keep Galloway and Thomas?
As long as they are under the cap with the cap holds in place, they can go over the cap to sign those two.
This is going to screw teams like miami and take them out of the Durant sweepstakes right away...
If this was any other free agency period no way Barnes gets a max deal but he is going to get one because teams like the Sixers and nets have to spend money...
I said last week Bazemore will get 20 million a year and got laughed at
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Noah/Willy
KP/KOQ
Melo/Lance
Lee/Galloway
Rose/DJ Augustin
Top 4 in the east? A lot of iffy guys injury wise.
Yeah, I think that's top 4.
If rose and noah stay healthy I don't see why that team can't be 2nd best team in the east...
But it is a big if
This is going to screw teams like miami and take them out of the Durant sweepstakes right away...
If this was any other free agency period no way Barnes gets a max deal but he is going to get one because teams like the Sixers and nets have to spend money...
I said last week Bazemore will get 20 million a year and got laughed at
I think he will get closer to 20 than 10 let's put it that way.
The Nets are reportedly willing to offer Rondo a max-deal, although sources close to Rondo say that he's not overly interested in being Brooklyn's only major signing this offseason, so the Nets may need to bring in another star to get Rondo to sign his name on the dotted line. Brooklyn is said to also have interest in Jamal Crawford, Jeremy Lin, Brandon Jennings and Kent Bazemore, so perhaps if they can sign one of those guys, Rondo will be more inclined to sign. Rondo would have nice value as the Nets starting PG.
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Noah/Willy
KP/KOQ
Melo/Lance
Lee/Galloway
Rose/DJ Augustin
Top 4 in the east? A lot of iffy guys injury wise.
Yeah, I think that's top 4.
If rose and noah stay healthy I don't see why that team can't be 2nd best team in the east...
But it is a big if
Depends on what happens with Toronto. Also gotta keep an eye on what Indy, Detroit and Milwaukee do, can see all 3 making big improvements as well.
Charlotte, Miami, Toronto and Atlanta can really take a big step back this offseason.
I'm surprised they don't want to put KAT at C and run more of a small ball system though.
They also have Peconic who is locked in for another 3 years and dieng, no reason for them to add noah
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is reporting while Noah is our first choice, the Wolves may yet be able to snipe him if it becomes a bidding war and that the Knicks have Howard as their second choice.
They also have Peconic who is locked in for another 3 years and dieng, no reason for them to add noah
Multiple reports seem to confirm their interest.
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"League sources tell Sporting News that Thibodeau has targeted Joakim Noah, who is an unrestricted free agent and has interest in leaving Chicago and re-joining Thibodeau. When they were together in Chicago, Noah developed and thrived under Thibodeau, finishing fourth in the MVP voting in 2013-14."
Besides offering tenacious defense and his gung-ho, team-first attitude, Noah fills the role of veteran leader. I think when you see what happened in Chicago, the Bulls really missed Jos leadership this season, first and foremost, Thibodeau said, referring to the Bulls failure to make the playoffs, as Noah had his season end in mid-January due to a shoulder injury."
Who knows
Sources close to Durant said recently that his looming free agency was incredibly stressful and distracting and that Durant isnt overly eager to go through this again and that these meetings may be more than just going through the motions. He is genuinely planning to listen to options and see whats available to him and may make a long-term commitment with whatever team he chooses.
There is still a sense that Oklahoma City could be the front runner and with the moves the team made around the draft to add even more to the team, they did not hurt their cause acquiring Victor Oladipo, Domantas Sabonis and Ersan Ilyasova.
Because their other center is probably a year or two away from being the best or 2nd best big in the NBA.
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I would want to make a play for Dieng. He's a rim protector with range. Not exactly sure why he doesn't get more love in Minny.
Because their other center is probably a year or two away from being the best or 2nd best big in the NBA.
Well then who is their 4? I guess it's technically KG right now and I think they were trying to tank with Prince and KG in the starting lineup to get the pick they got. But I'm with 16, doesn't make all that sense to go after noah if you have Dieng and want to ultimately play towns that the 5.
After polling various sources, I can say the Lakers, Spurs, Bulls, Rockets, Mavericks and Knicks are all going to pursue Timofey Mozgov.
Part of me is scared the knicks are going to go after wade. I wouldnt hate wade on the team (not a great fit) but id hate him for what it will cost to get him to leave MIA.
Part of me is scared the knicks are going to go after wade. I wouldnt hate wade on the team (not a great fit) but id hate him for what it will cost to get him to leave MIA.
If they get Bazemore at 20 couldn't they still go after Noah for around $16M and be under the cap with Thomas's and Galloway's cap hold?
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I would want to make a play for Dieng. He's a rim protector with range. Not exactly sure why he doesn't get more love in Minny.
Because their other center is probably a year or two away from being the best or 2nd best big in the NBA.
Well then who is their 4? I guess it's technically KG right now and I think they were trying to tank with Prince and KG in the starting lineup to get the pick they got. But I'm with 16, doesn't make all that sense to go after noah if you have Dieng and want to ultimately play towns that the 5.
I think Noah is being considered for leadership, experience, and to be a voice/practice guy backing Thibs. Obviously to play too, but they have 3 good centers already (dont forget Pekovic), and KAT should play 32 or more minutes. Wouldnt surprise me to see them bring in a 4 too -- especially a 3/4 3 & D guy.
They're obviously in a great situation. They dont need to add any star power. They already have the clear makings of a championship contender. If they could add another star in the next few years, they'll be hyper elite.
Noah
Howard
Bazemore
Would a team of:
Howard/Hernangomez
KP/O'Quinn
Melo/Lance Thomas
Holiday/Galloway/TBD- 3 and D sharpshooter
Rose/Baker/TBD
Be an East Contender? I think a few things obviously have to fall right: Rose (health), Melo (health), Howard (mental sate/attitude).
But that team has tremendous upside if those question marks are answered in the positive.
None of these players are in the twilight of their career age wise (34+).
You have two potential stellar and mobile defenders on the inside in Howard and KP, with Howard being more of the banger against the bigger guys.
You have plenty of complementary scoring options. You have a tremendous slashing penetrator in Rose who can open up the perimeter for Melo and KP or take his man if the defense is not collapsing. You have viable mid range options in KP and Melo. You have a plus,plus post-scoring option in Howard. Long range and perimeter D would be the most glaring need which is where they would really need to add a 3 and D guy.
Even without Durant if things fall right this could be a very,very good team.
Not saying it's ideal or without risk but on pure upside it may be one of the best, most realistic options we have. The ceiling for the team listed above is a team that could reach the ECF and possibly challenge the Cavs to come out of the east. Certainly, debatable on the chances to reach that potential but the talent to do so is there.
That's why a Noah and Bazemore/Lee would still be my preferred scenario, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Howard/JJ combo. Howard at the max does scare me. But there's no denying what a Howard/KP/Melo frontcourt would bring on the boards and interior defense. For all the shit Howard gets there's really no way around how useful he is come March and April. When playoff games come down to settling in half court sets it works wonders for Howard.
The dude's averaged like 17 and 14 over his last 3 playoff seasons.
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There's a reason everyone tries to dump the guy once they have him.
That's why a Noah and Bazemore/Lee would still be my preferred scenario, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Howard/JJ combo. Howard at the max does scare me. But there's no denying what a Howard/KP/Melo frontcourt would bring on the boards and interior defense. For all the shit Howard gets there's really no way around how useful he is come March and April. When playoff games come down to settling in half court sets it works wonders for Howard.
The dude's averaged like 17 and 14 over his last 3 playoff seasons.
Is JJ a good defender?
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There's a reason everyone tries to dump the guy once they have him.
That's why a Noah and Bazemore/Lee would still be my preferred scenario, but I wouldn't be opposed to a Howard/JJ combo. Howard at the max does scare me. But there's no denying what a Howard/KP/Melo frontcourt would bring on the boards and interior defense. For all the shit Howard gets there's really no way around how useful he is come March and April. When playoff games come down to settling in half court sets it works wonders for Howard.
The dude's averaged like 17 and 14 over his last 3 playoff seasons.
Imagine what #s he'd put up if he could actually hit some FTs!
And the size in general would be insane if he came here with howard. Rose is 6'3, JJ 6'7, Melo 6'8, KP 7'3 and D12 at 6'11.
He's a knockdown shooter and underrated passer which is why I think a 1 year deal would be nice especially if we can get Thomas locked in long term to be our 3 and D.
"Johnson's defense, however, continues to be an issue -- especially when he's trying to guard quicker players on drives to the basket. According to NBA.com research, he's allowing opposing players to shoot 77.2 percent from inside six feet -- 17 percent higher than the average player. The Nets are also giving up a staggering 107.2 points per 100 possessions with Johnson on the court."
This off season is really depressing for me. Another Knicks regime, another bunch of short term "fixes" that won't work out and don't put the Knicks on a road towards the chanpionship.
I just hope these moves don't set the franchise back a bunch of years in terms of building around KP but it's hard to imagine it doesn't. Knicks won't have a single player whose timeline is even remotely close to KP unless we resign Galloway.
This off season is really depressing for me. Another Knicks regime, another bunch of short term "fixes" that won't work out and don't put the Knicks on a road towards the chanpionship.
I just hope these moves don't set the franchise back a bunch of years in terms of building around KP but it's hard to imagine it doesn't. Knicks won't have a single player whose timeline is even remotely close to KP unless we resign Galloway.
Well, the fact is it's hard to get anyone to match up with a 20 year old age wise when you don't have draft picks.
At least a Bazemore or Batum are young enough/fit well with KPs skill set.
This off season is really depressing for me. Another Knicks regime, another bunch of short term "fixes" that won't work out and don't put the Knicks on a road towards the chanpionship.
I just hope these moves don't set the franchise back a bunch of years in terms of building around KP but it's hard to imagine it doesn't. Knicks won't have a single player whose timeline is even remotely close to KP unless we resign Galloway.
What are you whining about? First of all free agency hasn't even started yet so they haven't made any short term fixes. Secondly, if they aggressively pursue Bazemore, how is that a short term fix? He's 27 years old so presumably just entering his prime. Most of the names, outside of Howard and Noah, that have been attached to the Knicks are guys in their 20s.
This off season is really depressing for me. Another Knicks regime, another bunch of short term "fixes" that won't work out and don't put the Knicks on a road towards the chanpionship.
I just hope these moves don't set the franchise back a bunch of years in terms of building around KP but it's hard to imagine it doesn't. Knicks won't have a single player whose timeline is even remotely close to KP unless we resign Galloway.
The only scenario I'd want JJ is on a 1 year deal. Which I'm sure he wouldn't be too opposed to. He's still got a few years left in him and I can see a team throwing 12-15 at him when the cap goes to $110M
At least a Bazemore or Batum are young enough/fit well with KPs skill set.
Are there younger better alternatives at PG and C that are available and I'm missing?
Agree Jon. Usually a player gives his current team the last meeting.
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But a shoot first often injured PG and 30+ year old often injured centers are definitely the wrong way to build around one, no?
At least a Bazemore or Batum are young enough/fit well with KPs skill set.
Are there younger better alternatives at PG and C that are available and I'm missing?
Well we didn't have to get into this mess in the first place by trading Lopez and Grant, so...........
Well, the fact is it's hard to get anyone to match up with a 20 year old age wise when you don't have draft picks.
Not to belabor the point too much, but it's not as hard as you think. Rolo would have returned a pick in the teens I believe. They could have kept Grant. Strong armed Melo into accepting a trade by expressly rebuilding. Then use free agency to target guys in the 23-26 year old range, including RFAs, rather than 30+. In carrying this out you're probably setting yourself up for a premium 2017 pick.
The "problem" isnt lack of way. It's lack of will. And I get it -- whereas I would do a slow burn rebuild, many fans, media members and probably members of management care about winning this year and next year.
People said the same thing last year. If we miss out on Monroe, don't sign anyone, save the money. Well, Phil went out and paid for a guy that most didn't want and turned him into an asset. I'd rather Phil spends wisely on good young players that can be assets in the future. He's done everything right. He's not giving away picks, he's not signing old players to long contracts. Rose was a brilliant move, he now has a year to try out. The hand wringing about this offseason is so off base, IMO. It's all based on the past and not the current.
Either way, we can all agree that we should have picked 9th this year instead of trotting out Andrea Fucking Bargnani two years ago.
Mozgov would all but replace Lopez's productivity here.
Mozgov would all but replace Lopez's productivity here.
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Lopez is replaceable. I liked him here but he's replaceable. Rose at least provides some sizzle to the guard position but I still feel like the Knicks are in desperate need of a two way guard that can log heavy minutes and hold his own on both ends. If they don't add that guy then I will be disappointed in the off-season but they also need to be financially responsible.
How long does it fucking take to decide?
Makes sense. I just hope the center spot is KP's best position to maximize his potential. I don't think anyone really knows at this point.
So why would we want Howard?
How long does it fucking take to decide?
It should say something that even getting him to take a meeting seems to be as difficult a decision as whether or not to get surgery.
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and he pretty much said Lopez isn't a great fit with KP. Basically said that they needed a big man to get position in the post and it was the first guy who got there. Often Lopez would take that position and would eliminate KP from the offense because Lopez was more demanding of that spot. I don't think Phil wants a center who plays in the post because he envisions KP filling that role.
So why would we want Howard?
I don't think we would.
Either way, we can all agree that we should have picked 9th this year instead of trotting out Andrea Fucking Bargnani two years ago.
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How long does it fucking take to decide?
I am starting to think the teams themselves are leaking their meetings not kd and his team or agent...
Would make sense because no one has any idea what's going on with the knicks yet they know Lakers are out, wizards are out...
So now that's off the table he has to go with the best available options.
Even if you take out Noahs lone season under Fred Hoiberg, when he came off the bench and was dealing with a shoulder problem, the Joakim Noah of 2014-15 wasnt even an average player at his position. If you use John Hollingers PER ranking, he was 42nd among centers, below Robin Lopez, who was 34th this past season. Despite Noah being three years older than Lopez and a worse player the last three seasons, his contract is probably going to be far bigger than what the Knicks former center received.
Is it possible that Noah regains his skills from three seasons ago? Sure. Its just as likely as Rose regaining his MVP form. In other words, its not very likely at all. The Knicks would be making a mistake giving an aging, declining, injury-prone player who hasnt been good for two seasons a significant long-term contract. It would clog their salary cap, and be a poor, more expensive replacement for Lopez. It would be a bad deal.
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Makes little sense for him to go anywhere else. OKC and GS would be the favorites if he went to those spots. But he'd also be called a bitch by going to one over the other.
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and he pretty much said Lopez isn't a great fit with KP. Basically said that they needed a big man to get position in the post and it was the first guy who got there. Often Lopez would take that position and would eliminate KP from the offense because Lopez was more demanding of that spot. I don't think Phil wants a center who plays in the post because he envisions KP filling that role.
Makes sense. I just hope the center spot is KP's best position to maximize his potential. I don't think anyone really knows at this point.
There is no doubt in my mind that KP will be a beast in the post. He has an awesome back to the basket game and it's impossible to defend his size. His only problem was that he was easily moved out of the position. He'd get a good post position and then 5 seconds later he'd be pushed out to the 3 point line. He needs to get a lot stronger before he excels there, but his skillset is ideal for that role.
IMO, he's worth a one-year "show-me" type of deal, but anyone signing him to 3+ years for $30M+ is likely flushing cap space down the toilet.
IMO, he's worth a one-year "show-me" type of deal, but anyone signing him to 3+ years for $30M+ is likely flushing cap space down the toilet.
Very good points. He does provide help on offense as a scrapper, screener and passer but defenses will play way, way off him now more than ever trying to force him to score instead of pass.
Problem with your second point is that there are teams that will offer him multi-year deals.
It all comes down to value. Howard is clearly going to be the better player but it's about how much more are you willing to give him. If Noah's offers start creeping north of $17-18M it might be better to look at Howard
So now that's off the table he has to go with the best available options.
The guy that fits that description is the one marquee center that I haven't seen the Knicks attached to: Al Horford.
Last year Horford took about 48% of his field goal attempts outside of 15ft from the hoop. Compare that to Lopez who only took about 7% of his field goal attempts outside of 15ft. Horford is 30, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down at all.
I'm not a huge fan of Bazemore, but a package deal of Horford and Bazemore would be a damn good haul.
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It just sounds like Phil is saying he wants KAT to pair with KP.
So now that's off the table he has to go with the best available options.
The guy that fits that description is the one marquee center that I haven't seen the Knicks attached to: Al Horford.
Last year Horford took about 48% of his field goal attempts outside of 15ft from the hoop. Compare that to Lopez who only took about 7% of his field goal attempts outside of 15ft. Horford is 30, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down at all.
I'm not a huge fan of Bazemore, but a package deal of Horford and Bazemore would be a damn good haul.
Horford is nearly as much of a long shot as KD is.
My thoughts exactly.
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
Because we probably won't be the only team that goes all in on him after striking out with KD
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It just sounds like Phil is saying he wants KAT to pair with KP.
So now that's off the table he has to go with the best available options.
The guy that fits that description is the one marquee center that I haven't seen the Knicks attached to: Al Horford.
Last year Horford took about 48% of his field goal attempts outside of 15ft from the hoop. Compare that to Lopez who only took about 7% of his field goal attempts outside of 15ft. Horford is 30, but he doesn't seem to be slowing down at all.
I'm not a huge fan of Bazemore, but a package deal of Horford and Bazemore would be a damn good haul.
Horford is nearly as much of a long shot as KD is.
Yeah I don't think Horford is likely, especially since I haven't seen him linked to the Knicks at all. He would be a great fit though. Solid defender, can stretch the floor, and is one of the better passing centers in the league.
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
I have to disagree. You don't think Durant has close friends on some of the 6 teams he's meeting with? Why bother meeting with those teams then? Melo didn't even have a say into the HC position so how much insight could he give toward Phil's vision? Melo might be a nice bonus "voice" but no meeting is a bad sign any way you slice it. in fact, you would think as a "favor" to Melo he'd take the meeting (if he changes his mind, it's likely the main reason he did).
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
The only thing I don't get is why is taking so long for him to decide whether to meet with knicks or not?
Or its the media just has no idea...
warriors, spurs,clippers,thunder,heat,boston all get meetings
rockets lakers wizards get ruled out and told no meetings
but the knicks are the one team who apparently is stuck in limbo
its either something fishy going on, or knicks/kd just haven't let it leak if they will meet or not
Spurs pretty much are done because Duncan opted in but even then they couldn't sign him...
Clippers have no shot of signing him outright
Miami will lose either wade or whiteside so they are not a contender...
Boston is overrated in my opinion just because they had a good season last year ND all those assets led to nothing in the draft
Agreed.
I dont know [if Ill meet with the Knicks]. Ill see after we leave here. I have to talk to my people and figure that stuff out. It is three days away and we will see what happens. That is all I can say at this point,
I havent really thought about that, Durant said. They obviously have a good team now with D-Rose, Melo and [Kristaps] Porzingis. Like I said, Im going to talk to my team and well figure things out. But right now, its kind of hard to say.
Same dickhead who said LeBron to the Knicks.
Though Im not sure what the argument Miami has is that the Knicks lack, nor do I particularly understand the Clippers meeting. They'd have to clear 20 million to sign KD. I believe they literally cant do that without trading Paul, Jordan, or Blake. Have they told KD that, or is he taking it on faith?
I dont know [if Ill meet with the Knicks]. Ill see after we leave here. I have to talk to my people and figure that stuff out. It is three days away and we will see what happens. That is all I can say at this point,
I havent really thought about that, Durant said. They obviously have a good team now with D-Rose, Melo and [Kristaps] Porzingis. Like I said, Im going to talk to my team and well figure things out. But right now, its kind of hard to say.
See I don't get what is left to think about, either you are interested or you arent...
If it is going to take this long to decide if he just wants to meet with a team I can't imagine how long it will take to decide which team he wants to sign witb
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think it's fair to blame the media here. Durant himself has said he wasn't sure.
I dont know [if Ill meet with the Knicks]. Ill see after we leave here. I have to talk to my people and figure that stuff out. It is three days away and we will see what happens. That is all I can say at this point,
I havent really thought about that, Durant said. They obviously have a good team now with D-Rose, Melo and [Kristaps] Porzingis. Like I said, Im going to talk to my team and well figure things out. But right now, its kind of hard to say.
See I don't get what is left to think about, either you are interested or you arent...
If it is going to take this long to decide if he just wants to meet with a team I can't imagine how long it will take to decide which team he wants to sign witb
Well it's not taking this long to decide if he wants to meet with just any team. It's the Knicks. No one is holding their breath and I don't think anyone outside of this fan base is making a fuss about or it or even cares that much.
How does that help with other free agents?
Melo even said there would be no hard feelings if he said no
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think it's fair to blame the media here. Durant himself has said he wasn't sure.
I dont know [if Ill meet with the Knicks]. Ill see after we leave here. I have to talk to my people and figure that stuff out. It is three days away and we will see what happens. That is all I can say at this point,
I havent really thought about that, Durant said. They obviously have a good team now with D-Rose, Melo and [Kristaps] Porzingis. Like I said, Im going to talk to my team and well figure things out. But right now, its kind of hard to say.
See I don't get what is left to think about, either you are interested or you arent...
If it is going to take this long to decide if he just wants to meet with a team I can't imagine how long it will take to decide which team he wants to sign witb
Well it's not taking this long to decide if he wants to meet with just any team. It's the Knicks. No one is holding their breath and I don't think anyone outside of this fan base is making a fuss about or it or even cares that much.
Well the media is, every tweet says still not sure if meeting with the Knicks, it's the same tweet for a couple of days now
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side is his leaving the Knicks in the mix might be a "favor" to Melo in regard to other FA's.
How does that help with other free agents?
Melo even said there would be no hard feelings if he said no
It gives the appearance the Knicks are an appealing destination despite a win total dwarfed by his other choices.
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Whatever that means
Whatever that means
He's useless.
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side is his leaving the Knicks in the mix might be a "favor" to Melo in regard to other FA's.
How does that help with other free agents?
Melo even said there would be no hard feelings if he said no
It gives the appearance the Knicks are an appealing destination despite a win total dwarfed by his other choices.
I think players are smart enough to see knicks have improved themselves and don't need Durant to show them
Wade has also announce he is an available UFA and is open to leaving the Heat since negotiations with the Heat have stalled. He and Melo are also hanging out.
Wade has also announce he is an available UFA and is open to leaving the Heat since negotiations with the Heat have stalled. He and Melo are also hanging out.
Whew. I'm glad that's settled.
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Durant has had plenty of time "meeting" with the Knicks via Carmelo. He trusts Carmelo more than anyone he's going to meet with at Knicks HQ and IMO if he takes the meeting with the Knicks it means that they are finalists for him. It's not as if he has to check in with them to make sure they match on salary.
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
I have to disagree. You don't think Durant has close friends on some of the 6 teams he's meeting with? Why bother meeting with those teams then? Melo didn't even have a say into the HC position so how much insight could he give toward Phil's vision? Melo might be a nice bonus "voice" but no meeting is a bad sign any way you slice it. in fact, you would think as a "favor" to Melo he'd take the meeting (if he changes his mind, it's likely the main reason he did).
I have to disagree with your disagreement. Yes Durant has friends on other teams, but he was spending time in New York with Melo, a lot of time. Say what you will about his other friendships but he wasn't in San Francisco hanging with Steph Curry or Klay. It means something that he was spending so much time with Melo, Melo knows he was going to be selling him on it Durant knows it too. The timing is important, he didn't need to spend the days leading up to free agency with Melo, as you said he probably has a lot of friends.
What's dramatic? Nothing has changed.
Obviously take with a grain of salt on what wslas said but it was definitely him
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Durant has had plenty of time "meeting" with the Knicks via Carmelo. He trusts Carmelo more than anyone he's going to meet with at Knicks HQ and IMO if he takes the meeting with the Knicks it means that they are finalists for him. It's not as if he has to check in with them to make sure they match on salary.
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
I have to disagree. You don't think Durant has close friends on some of the 6 teams he's meeting with? Why bother meeting with those teams then? Melo didn't even have a say into the HC position so how much insight could he give toward Phil's vision? Melo might be a nice bonus "voice" but no meeting is a bad sign any way you slice it. in fact, you would think as a "favor" to Melo he'd take the meeting (if he changes his mind, it's likely the main reason he did).
I have to disagree with your disagreement. Yes Durant has friends on other teams, but he was spending time in New York with Melo, a lot of time. Say what you will about his other friendships but he wasn't in San Francisco hanging with Steph Curry or Klay. It means something that he was spending so much time with Melo, Melo knows he was going to be selling him on it Durant knows it too. The timing is important, he didn't need to spend the days leading up to free agency with Melo, as you said he probably has a lot of friends.
He was in NY for the Team USA announcement and the release of his new shoe at Niketown. Now did he have to stay in the city for as long as he has been here? Probably not, but it's not like he's only in the city to hang out with Melo.
He was in new york for a nike event. This isn't just him and Melo having quality time.
Obviously take with a grain of salt on what wslas said but it was definitely him
Where do you find this stuff? Apparently I don't follow the right people on twitter and instagram because I never see these cool tidbits.
Still not clear Aldridge was ever interested.
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or not. He made comments last year about knowing that Aldridge was interested after speaking with him. If he was able to find out whether Aldridge was interested or not, you'd have to think he would be able to get an indication from Durant, who its seems he has a much closer relationship with.
Still not clear Aldridge was ever interested.
Seems Melo thought otherwise.
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or not. He made comments last year about knowing that Aldridge was interested after speaking with him. If he was able to find out whether Aldridge was interested or not, you'd have to think he would be able to get an indication from Durant, who its seems he has a much closer relationship with.
Still not clear Aldridge was ever interested.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I said it's not clear. Melo and LMA take one position. But then he didnt take the meeting. If the issue with the Knicks was the center issue, then take the meeting and discuss it. Otherwise there is no reason for the meetings in the first place.
It also seemed clear that he was going to SAS for a while, and that is where he went. His kid lives there.
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or not. He made comments last year about knowing that Aldridge was interested after speaking with him. If he was able to find out whether Aldridge was interested or not, you'd have to think he would be able to get an indication from Durant, who its seems he has a much closer relationship with.
Still not clear Aldridge was ever interested.
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Yeah, I know. That's why I said it's not clear. Melo and LMA take one position. But then he didnt take the meeting. If the issue with the Knicks was the center issue, then take the meeting and discuss it. Otherwise there is no reason for the meetings in the first place.
It also seemed clear that he was going to SAS for a while, and that is where he went. His kid lives there.
One thing I find kind of interesting now is that by all accounts the reason for the cancellation for the meeting was Aldridge didn't want to play center. Now apparently SAS is in on Durant, which would force Aldridge to play center. Either playing center was never that big of an issue for him, or the Spurs don't give a shit what Aldridge wants if it means getting Durant.
He has a list of potential teams. The knicks aren't on it. He's spending time with a friend trying to change his mind, but hasn't yet.
We're at the point where we are relying on Melo's friendship with Durant just to get him to be open to the possibility of being asked out.
Knicks could get screwed if Durant ever chose the knicks anyway because there is a picture of Durant hanging out with the knicks director of player personnel/ Melo's trainer
Yeah meetings are apparently in Hamptons except for OKC meeting in Oklahoma city
Plus how do we know the knicks are begging for a meeting? For all we know they have one or then know they don't and have moved on...
Fact is I don't think anybody actually knows what's going on
Stake out.
Sources: Courtney Lee's agent has spoken with Lee about joining the #Knicks I'm told Noah is the one recruiting Lee to NY if he comes.
5:23 PM - 29 Jun 2016
If no Durant, Lee and Noah next highest priorities. That would make the most sense.
Sources: Courtney Lee's agent has spoken with Lee about joining the #Knicks I'm told Noah is the one recruiting Lee to NY if he comes.
5:23 PM - 29 Jun 2016
If no Durant, Lee and Noah next highest priorities. That would make the most sense.
Honestly, unless they come here with options that allow the Knicks to be rid of them after this season, I would be pretty disappointed if they made large commitments to Noah and Lee.
I think if rose has a good year he will be resigned...
So they add noah and Lee and hopefully another bench pieces then next year resign rose and add a 1st and another role player...
With noah I would go 3 years with option after 2 at most...
But if he is healthy and rose is healthy you got a good balanced starting lineup with Lee and.noah next to rose Melo and kp
Hornacek said today their main priority is a center and not as worried about sg
If rose is healthy they are a top 4 team in East and I think they could compete with Toronto for division
KP/OQuinn
Melo/Thomas
Lee/Crawford?/Holiday/Galloway/Baker
Rose/Holiday/Galloway
Pretty balanced lineup: enough scoring, some good defenders, mid range shooting, ok not great overall 3 range, also legit coach in Hornacek will also make a big difference
2 they have been there and played hard fought playoff series and both hate lebron
Describes my feelings exactly. Although I wouldn't bet against Noah. I think he's gonna be alright.
2 they have been there and played hard fought playoff series and both hate lebron
I mean so has Dwight Howard.
And yes, guys like that are at a premium, so we are likely to overpay for such a player in terms of both money and length of deal.
Or we could just trade for Oakley and sign Mason out of the CBA...
There is a worry with whiteside that he will become lazy the minute he signs that contract...
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Interesting that there's no talk of the Knicks having an interest in him. He's unlikely to land a contract as high as Howard's.
There is a worry with whiteside that he will become lazy the minute he signs that contract...
Whiteside has emotional issues he doesn't handle well on the court but I don't think he's gonna turn into eddy curry after he signs his contract. The dude had to work hard to get back to playing ball in the states. Despite his OD'd comments I don't have much concern about how he will perform.
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Interesting that there's no talk of the Knicks having an interest in him. He's unlikely to land a contract as high as Howard's.
There is a worry with whiteside that he will become lazy the minute he signs that contract...
Whiteside has emotional issues he doesn't handle well on the court but I don't think he's gonna turn into eddy curry after he signs his contract. The dude had to work hard to get back to playing ball in the states. Despite his OD'd comments I don't have much concern about how he will perform.
Should be "odd"
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Durant has had plenty of time "meeting" with the Knicks via Carmelo. He trusts Carmelo more than anyone he's going to meet with at Knicks HQ and IMO if he takes the meeting with the Knicks it means that they are finalists for him. It's not as if he has to check in with them to make sure they match on salary.
Also, the more i'm starting to see the prices tossed around for these players and look at cap room around the league the more i'm thinking Horford at the max is the best way to spend our money. He forms a great defensive tandem with KP, spreads the floor with KP, the lane will be wide open for Melo and Rose. Obviously he has his suitors but I don't see why we wouldn't go all in on him after Durant chooses.
I have to disagree. You don't think Durant has close friends on some of the 6 teams he's meeting with? Why bother meeting with those teams then? Melo didn't even have a say into the HC position so how much insight could he give toward Phil's vision? Melo might be a nice bonus "voice" but no meeting is a bad sign any way you slice it. in fact, you would think as a "favor" to Melo he'd take the meeting (if he changes his mind, it's likely the main reason he did).
How many players on the other teams has he been close friends with since high school and looks up to as a big brother?
I'm not saying Melo will get him to sign with the Knicks but I doubt too many other teams in consideration have a key player on their roster he is as close with as he is with Melo.
Didn't see it but with a new show you think he would have something more relevant to talk about.
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Have heard the same lament from multiple interested teams tonight: They see New York as a big favorite to land Joakim Noah in free agency.
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Sure hope not. I think he's more valuable than ever if Noah gets hurt.
It's about what I expected Noah to get. I guess it's almost the same as giving RoLo what he got last season. Higher risk, higher reward.
Melo brought the Bulls less Butler to the Knicks. Huh. A weird two years.
Didn't see this discussion ongoing in the Baze thread. Just posted a thread that WashPo reported this as well. Same 18 mill figure and all. Sounds like the deal is written and to be signed on Friday.
Reportedly, that isn't possible. Unless Durant would take sub-max money, which isn't likely.
They had 30 mill in space before this deal. So, they probably will only sign a starting SG and then fill the spots in between.
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and assuming this is true could they still sign KD if he was willing to after signing Noah?
Reportedly, that isn't possible. Unless Durant would take sub-max money, which isn't likely.
They had 30 mill in space before this deal. So, they probably will only sign a starting SG and then fill the spots in between.
Sounds like Courtney Lee is indeed that SG.
Two years with an option for third.
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and assuming this is true could they still sign KD if he was willing to after signing Noah?
Reportedly, that isn't possible. Unless Durant would take sub-max money, which isn't likely.
They had 30 mill in space before this deal. So, they probably will only sign a starting SG and then fill the spots in between.
Sounds like Courtney Lee is indeed that SG.
Thank you for that info. Sounds like a good priced SG that would give us wiggle room next offseason to go big again if the Rose move fails.
I'm praying for Westbrook. I love that guy.