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superspynyg : 6/29/2016 9:56 am
So its getting to be FF season. So I ask your all opinion on some questions

put the following rb in order:
Gurley
Johnson
Elliott
Bell

Will Lacy come back to fantasy glory?

Better fantasy wr: Allen Robinson, Keenan Allen, Mashall?

Is it worth it to use a rd 3 pick on Rodgers or Cam? or should you wait till later to try and get a Rothlisbuger or Luck?
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 12:23 pm : link
pj.. that's why I don't go into drafts scripting my picks (i.e.. RB/WR/WR, etc)

My strategy is like 65% value to 35% need. I don't just take the best player on the board regardless of position, I have to take position into account but my primary focus is always trying to draft the best player rather than try to force a balanced roster. You always see guys pass on a big value WR in like round 4 or 5 because they don't have a RB2 yet and then they reach for someone just to fill the spot. I try to avoid doing that.

Plus, if I have a surplus at RB or WR and a deficit at the other, I can always look to trade to balance it out.
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YAJ2112 : 6/29/2016 12:26 pm : link
In comment 13013893 arcarsenal said:
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pj.. that's why I don't go into drafts scripting my picks (i.e.. RB/WR/WR, etc)

My strategy is like 65% value to 35% need. I don't just take the best player on the board regardless of position, I have to take position into account but my primary focus is always trying to draft the best player rather than try to force a balanced roster. You always see guys pass on a big value WR in like round 4 or 5 because they don't have a RB2 yet and then they reach for someone just to fill the spot. I try to avoid doing that.

Plus, if I have a surplus at RB or WR and a deficit at the other, I can always look to trade to balance it out.


I used to script a long time ago, and invariably would end up with players that I just didn't like or want on my team because they fit the "script". Now I just draft the best talent I can get and figure out the roster implications later.
I fucking hate the waiver wire theme in my non keeper league  
djm : 6/29/2016 12:34 pm : link
it goes by pts scored so even if you lose but scored 110 pts one week, something that happened to me twice, you lose out on waiver order to the owner who scored less pts but still won. SO I lost my wwaiver request to the team that was 2-0 and then 4-0 because they scored less pts than me. Horse shit.

I am going to bring this up to the commish but he will probably ignore me as usual. I may not even join the league if it comes to that.
RE: you have to go with the FAAB for waivers  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13013887 YAJ2112 said:
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What is FA AB?
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 12:38 pm : link
Also, yes.. one of my leagues does auction waivers. Each team starts out with a $100 budget to use over the course of the year. During each waiver period, you have to bid on players you want. Highest bidder gets him.

Only other system I agree with is having teams with successful claims going to the end of the line starting with reverse draft order. Standings or point based always seemed stupid to me.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13013929 arcarsenal said:
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Also, yes.. one of my leagues does auction waivers. Each team starts out with a $100 budget to use over the course of the year. During each waiver period, you have to bid on players you want. Highest bidder gets him.

Only other system I agree with is having teams with successful claims going to the end of the line starting with reverse draft order. Standings or point based always seemed stupid to me.


Yeah, reverse standing is the worst, especially early in the season.

we usually use priority rolling waiver, which is I guess fair, it starts with reverse draft order.

it's just luck based on having priority when the hot names come up.

we'll see about auction this year. might get voted in.
We finally changed the waiver order in ours so  
beatrixkiddo : 6/29/2016 12:44 pm : link
that it is dependent on how many claims you make and it rotates prioirity on how many moves you make throughout the season. I like this much more than what we did last year which screwed me, as it was based solely on record and pts. I faced easy teams in the beginning of the year, and could never utilize the waiver wire until i got a ton of injuries, and my record fell apart and it was too late. It gave preference to teams that drafted poorly which is total bullshit. Especially in a 14 team league, where every win is crucial. Glad we are switching to something more equal to everyone.
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giants#1 : 6/29/2016 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13013880 pjcas18 said:
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is luck than most people would care to admit.

especially in H2H leagues, which I am exclusively in.

I have seen some old school people win with RB/RB still and people win with WR/WR. others go WR/RB or vice versa based on who is there.

In my league last year I had the 11th pick, the guy picking 10th was definitely going RB until at the last second he decided to take Odell Beckham. I got "stuck" with CJ Anderson as BPA at 11. Now this guy who picked #10 in the 2nd round picked Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, in the 3rd and Tom Brady in the 4th round.

He lost in the finals of our league.

I almost literally pissed my pants laughing when he announced the Peyton pick and then Brady to follow it up they almost had to carry me out on a stretcher I was laughing so hard.

He wound up only with Brady of the three, but he didn't even trade Brees or Peyton for anyone that great. IIRC he traded Brees for Golden Tate and Peyton for maybe Gio Bernard.

He drafted Larry Fitzgerald late, Doug Baldwin late, he had Denver D.

and he was the lowest scoring team in the playoffs, but somehow every week teams who played him scored less.

anyway, point is, I don't believe any one strategy is right all the time.

And then there is the waiver wire. don't get me started on that one. Who happens to have #1 waiver priority when Thomas Rawls breaks out, or CJ Anderson the year before, or Stefon Diggs (though he faded), or Devonta Freeman, etc. is somehow better or smarter than teams picking 2nd or 3rd in waiver order.

We're exploring an auction system for waivers this year. Has anyone done that? That way you theoretically have a shot at every waiver player (until your budget runs out).


Definitely prefer auctions over waivers. Just make sure whoever sets it up doesn't do something stupid. For example, 1 league I was in last year, you still had to pay $2 for players even if they passed through waivers unclaimed. And he basically snuck the rule in there so rather than putting $1 claims on guys, people were waiting until waivers cleared and then having to pay $2. Not to mention, it screwed up the playoffs since once you ran out of $$ there was no way to make moves.

And FFL is definitely a lot of luck. I destroyed everyone regular season last year. Averaged like 10 more pts/week than the next guy and was the highest scoring team at least 3-4 weeks. Playoffs came around and I was facing team with Cam Newton. Unfortunately Newton was playing the Giants. IIRC, his team set our league record in points that week...
RE: How is AP not in this RB list?  
superspynyg : 6/29/2016 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13013573 LI NHB said:
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Is this a keeper league and he's not available?

If this is a standard re-draft league, it would be curious to not include the reigning NFL rushing title holder in the top RB discussion.


Because in my eye he is the best rb period.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13013981 giants#1 said:
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is luck than most people would care to admit.

especially in H2H leagues, which I am exclusively in.

I have seen some old school people win with RB/RB still and people win with WR/WR. others go WR/RB or vice versa based on who is there.

In my league last year I had the 11th pick, the guy picking 10th was definitely going RB until at the last second he decided to take Odell Beckham. I got "stuck" with CJ Anderson as BPA at 11. Now this guy who picked #10 in the 2nd round picked Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, in the 3rd and Tom Brady in the 4th round.

He lost in the finals of our league.

I almost literally pissed my pants laughing when he announced the Peyton pick and then Brady to follow it up they almost had to carry me out on a stretcher I was laughing so hard.

He wound up only with Brady of the three, but he didn't even trade Brees or Peyton for anyone that great. IIRC he traded Brees for Golden Tate and Peyton for maybe Gio Bernard.

He drafted Larry Fitzgerald late, Doug Baldwin late, he had Denver D.

and he was the lowest scoring team in the playoffs, but somehow every week teams who played him scored less.

anyway, point is, I don't believe any one strategy is right all the time.

And then there is the waiver wire. don't get me started on that one. Who happens to have #1 waiver priority when Thomas Rawls breaks out, or CJ Anderson the year before, or Stefon Diggs (though he faded), or Devonta Freeman, etc. is somehow better or smarter than teams picking 2nd or 3rd in waiver order.

We're exploring an auction system for waivers this year. Has anyone done that? That way you theoretically have a shot at every waiver player (until your budget runs out).



Definitely prefer auctions over waivers. Just make sure whoever sets it up doesn't do something stupid. For example, 1 league I was in last year, you still had to pay $2 for players even if they passed through waivers unclaimed. And he basically snuck the rule in there so rather than putting $1 claims on guys, people were waiting until waivers cleared and then having to pay $2. Not to mention, it screwed up the playoffs since once you ran out of $$ there was no way to make moves.

And FFL is definitely a lot of luck. I destroyed everyone regular season last year. Averaged like 10 more pts/week than the next guy and was the highest scoring team at least 3-4 weeks. Playoffs came around and I was facing team with Cam Newton. Unfortunately Newton was playing the Giants. IIRC, his team set our league record in points that week...


the set up for waivers proposed was you only need to bid on players on waivers, free agents (players who have cleared waivers) can be picked up at no cost as soon as they clear waivers. I think that's fair.

but not many in our league are used to calibrating just how much to allocate to any one specific player on waivers, so it should be interesting.

I'm in another league that simply has a 16 waiver claim limit and I absolutely hate that. bye weeks, injuries, poor play, I like working the waiver wires, so I always run out and am forced into trades.
Le'Veon Bell is a HUGE risk in my opinion  
NYG27 : 6/29/2016 1:28 pm : link
I've read several times athletes have a harder road to recovery in MCL\PCL corrective repair surgeries when compared to ACL surgeries. Since surgery was done on Nov. 6th 2015, he basically just has 10 months recovery time to be active in week 1.

Most everyone is "expecting" him to automatically come back to form as the #1 fantasy RB, despite the short recovery time. He might come back early but will he fully be recovered, will he still favor the surgically repaired knee when not 100%, which could lead to other injuries?

Plus are we also discounting that Bell is on the NFL's Substance Abuse Program and one more incident will get him suspended for a full year? There was rumors a few weeks past that Bell skipped a mandatory drug test, which he denied. Although a full season suspension is just another risk to factory in addition to the knee injury when deciding to select Bell with a high draft pick.

If you do, better select DeAngelo Williams in the mid rounds as a handcuff.
Am I the only one  
dep026 : 6/29/2016 1:36 pm : link
not taking a risk on Dez? If Romo goes down, he becomes a top 30 WR. I have thrown hiim out of my top 10 to begin with.
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YAJ2112 : 6/29/2016 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13013927 pjcas18 said:
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What is FA AB?


Free Agent Acquisition Budget - AKA your bidding budget for FAs
RE: Am I the only one  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13014046 dep026 said:
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not taking a risk on Dez? If Romo goes down, he becomes a top 30 WR. I have thrown hiim out of my top 10 to begin with.


I'd prefer to not wind up with him as my WR1 but it's going to be one of those things where I think he'll start to become undervalued and could slip enough to be a potential steal.
RE: Am I the only one  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13014046 dep026 said:
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not taking a risk on Dez? If Romo goes down, he becomes a top 30 WR. I have thrown hiim out of my top 10 to begin with.

Walter Football top 10 WR rankings:

1. AB
2. OBJ
3. Jones
4. Hopkins
5. Nelson
6. Bryant
7. Green
8. Robinson
9. Benjamin
10. Cooper

my league is PPR, I'd probably take Green and Robinson ahead of Bryant, but I'd have a hard time taking Benjamin over him.

Cooper I have in my keeper league, but I'd think about that.

I might take Cooper over him too, making Bryant (based on Walter Football rankings) 8th or 9th ranked WR.
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 2:19 pm : link
I've always thought Nelson was really underrated but he seems to be ranked a bit high on that list considering he's coming off an injury. I'd definitely take Green over him.. probably Robinson and possibly even Bryant.
I am really hoping  
dep026 : 6/29/2016 2:25 pm : link
Cooks and hilton continue to get less love. I think both have top 10 potential and it seemed cooks really turned it in to end the year.
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pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13014150 arcarsenal said:
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I've always thought Nelson was really underrated but he seems to be ranked a bit high on that list considering he's coming off an injury. I'd definitely take Green over him.. probably Robinson and possibly even Bryant.


Nelson was injured pre-season and it's an ACL.

I think with rankings like this they're seeing how average Rodgers was without Nelson.

I guy I'd try and buy low on during the draft is Randall Cobb, he was one of the biggest disappointments in the entire league last year.

Either way, Nelson is a keeper in my league someone got him in the 16th round and kept him on the roster all year.
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giants#1 : 6/29/2016 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13014000 pjcas18 said:
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the set up for waivers proposed was you only need to bid on players on waivers, free agents (players who have cleared waivers) can be picked up at no cost as soon as they clear waivers. I think that's fair.

but not many in our league are used to calibrating just how much to allocate to any one specific player on waivers, so it should be interesting.

I'm in another league that simply has a 16 waiver claim limit and I absolutely hate that. bye weeks, injuries, poor play, I like working the waiver wires, so I always run out and am forced into trades.


Definitely takes some time to calibrate your claims and get a feel for others in your league.
I definitely buy Elliot this year if the price is right  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/29/2016 2:29 pm : link
he could get 300 carries this year - especially with McFadden injured
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arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13014168 pjcas18 said:
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I've always thought Nelson was really underrated but he seems to be ranked a bit high on that list considering he's coming off an injury. I'd definitely take Green over him.. probably Robinson and possibly even Bryant.



Nelson was injured pre-season and it's an ACL.

I think with rankings like this they're seeing how average Rodgers was without Nelson.

I guy I'd try and buy low on during the draft is Randall Cobb, he was one of the biggest disappointments in the entire league last year.

Either way, Nelson is a keeper in my league someone got him in the 16th round and kept him on the roster all year.


I still like Nelson a lot I just don't think I'd take him over AJ and I'd have to think long and hard about taking him over ARob/Dez though I could see doing that.

Cobb will benefit big time from Nelson coming back. He was miscast in his absence and his performance suffered big time. He's still a really dynamic player with big value.
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NYG27 : 6/29/2016 3:27 pm : link
arcarsenal said:
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I've always thought Nelson was really underrated but he seems to be ranked a bit high on that list considering he's coming off an injury. I'd definitely take Green over him.. probably Robinson and possibly even Bryant.



Nelson was injured pre-season and it's an ACL.

I think with rankings like this they're seeing how average Rodgers was without Nelson.

I guy I'd try and buy low on during the draft is Randall Cobb, he was one of the biggest disappointments in the entire league last year.

Either way, Nelson is a keeper in my league someone got him in the 16th round and kept him on the roster all year.



I still like Nelson a lot I just don't think I'd take him over AJ and I'd have to think long and hard about taking him over ARob/Dez though I could see doing that.

Cobb will benefit big time from Nelson coming back. He was miscast in his absence and his performance suffered big time. He's still a really dynamic player with big value.


Sleeper on that Packers offense is the race for the #3 WR, which I think Jeff Janis will win.

He's off the charts type athlete, whose playing time consisted of scoring 5 TDs in 7 pre-season games and then broke out in last years playoffs.

From all reports from Packers beat writers, he's been uncover-able by their DBs. Although he's extremely raw but has a lot of untapped potential in that offense.
Just based on the rapport  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 3:32 pm : link
built last year I would not count Aberderis out for that 3rd WR in GB. He had a few games where they he and Rodgers just seemed to click.

However, based on draft status I still believe it's Davante Adams' job to lose.
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NYG27 : 6/29/2016 3:58 pm : link
pjcas18 said:
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built last year I would not count Aberderis out for that 3rd WR in GB. He had a few games where they he and Rodgers just seemed to click.

However, based on draft status I still believe it's Davante Adams' job to lose.


That #3 WR job will come down to between Davante Adams, Jeff Janis, Ty Montgomery, Jared Abbrederis and rookie Trevor Davis are all in the mix.

I just think Janis provides the most upside from that group.
How hi up  
OC2.0 : 6/29/2016 9:12 pm : link
Do you take Beckham?
RE: How hi up  
NYG27 : 6/29/2016 9:19 pm : link
In comment 13014821 OC2.0 said:
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Do you take Beckham?


As high as possible, he's a top 3-5 pick in any format.
Yeah way too early  
giantgiantfan : 6/29/2016 9:43 pm : link
I generally start doing mock drafts over at ESPN starting August to get a feel for where people are going. Lately my strategy has been go W/R in first 3 rounds since thats where value has been then fill in at QB/RB as best I can. Last 2 years I've found late round gems or waivers at TE like that dude from Cleveland last year.
RE: RE: How is AP not in this RB list?  
LI NHB : 6/29/2016 11:24 pm : link
In comment 13013988 superspynyg said:
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Because in my eye he is the best rb period.



You and I both, sir.
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