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NFT: Mets and Nats Take Three? Mets Chat 6/29

ZGiants98 : 6/29/2016 10:35 am
-Verrett the stopper? Verrett VS Sherzer (lol)

-Matz pushed back a day

-Harvey felt great last night

-Sandy says waiting on Gurriel to spend a month in the minors might not make sense

-Reyes 0-9 in the minors

-Duda 2 weeks from baseball activity (If he starts baseball activities in two weeks that will be WAY sooner than I expected. Good news)

-Rock bottom for Mets right now??
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I hope  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:27 pm : link
we steal one game against the Cubs and win the home series against the Marlins.

Maybe we will be healthier for the Nats home series before the break. And Jose Reyes will be a spark plug again for us.
Finally  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:35 pm : link
We have to hit Ollie Perez. Come on!
A spark named  
Giants2012 : 6/29/2016 9:36 pm : link
Reyes will turn on the offense. . . . I hope.
at this rate  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:37 pm : link
we will be out of the WC race by August
if Grandy can't run  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:39 pm : link
they should definitely get Gilmartin or Degrom to pinch run for him.
Cant we pinch hit Flores  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:42 pm : link
for De Aza and put Johnson in LF?

De Aza blows
RE: Cant we pinch hit Flores  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13014850 spike said:
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for De Aza and put Johnson in LF?

De Aza blows


Should've gotten Flores up instead. Whats Collins thinking?
That was the game.
I'd rather have  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:48 pm : link
Cuddyer unretire over the punchless De Aza
RE: I'd rather have  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13014861 spike said:
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Cuddyer unretire over the punchless De Aza


even Travis Taijeron in AAA might be a better option. I miss Darrell Ceciliani lol
love u too  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:54 pm : link
Murph
I think I need a break from watching this team for a while.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 9:55 pm : link
It's not worth the frustration.
De Aza must go  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:56 pm : link
our pitchers hit better than him.
it's true  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 9:58 pm : link
de Aza has a lower OPS than Thor and Matz.

he has a lower BA than 2015 John Mayberry and 2016 Eric Campbell.

He might be the worst position player in mlb. I am a Sandy fan, but holy shit, if de Aza was "the plan" or even a major part of it as a platoon with Lagares if they didn't sign Cespedes the Mets would be sellers already for 2017.
The Mets have to back the brink truck for Cespedes  
spike : 6/29/2016 9:59 pm : link
Cut De Aza NOW and we will win more games.

What is his WAR now? -10?
I'm not going to look up his  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
war, too lazy, but I'll paste a tweet (I'm pretty sure his defense isn't helping his WAR):

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Andrew Beaton ‏@andrewlbeaton 37s37 seconds ago

Alejandro De Aza's OPS, .440, is the second lowest of any player with 100+ PAs this year. The only one lower, Daniel Castro, got sent down.
lol  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:04 pm : link
unbelievable.
They're a very bad baseball  
Stufftherun : 6/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
team going nowhere fast. I just can't see them in the post season regardless of what strings they pull. It really is a season where we can say Murphy's Law rules!
RE: I'm not going to look up his  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:05 pm : link
In comment 13014873 pjcas18 said:
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war, too lazy, but I'll paste a tweet (I'm pretty sure his defense isn't helping his WAR):



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Andrew Beaton ‏@andrewlbeaton 37s37 seconds ago

Alejandro De Aza's OPS, .440, is the second lowest of any player with 100+ PAs this year. The only one lower, Daniel Castro, got sent down.




I did.

Owar -0.9
dwar -0.1
Well ....  
Stufftherun : 6/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
there's the long ball but it'll be too little too late.
come on  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:06 pm : link
get on base Cabrera
anyone  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:08 pm : link
but De Aza.

Wuilmer Beccera  
pjcas18 : 6/29/2016 10:09 pm : link
5 for 5

Dom Smith 3 for 6
Rosario 1 for 4 with 2 bb's
oh well  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:11 pm : link
Nimmo is still better than D'aza
RE: I think I need a break from watching this team for a while.  
Stufftherun : 6/29/2016 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13014868 arcarsenal said:
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It's not worth the frustration.


Smart man Arc. I started letting go a few weeks ago ...the signs have been there for quite a while if we're to be honest.
RE: RE: I think I need a break from watching this team for a while.  
arcarsenal : 6/29/2016 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13014885 Stufftherun said:
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In comment 13014868 arcarsenal said:


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It's not worth the frustration.



Smart man Arc. I started letting go a few weeks ago ...the signs have been there for quite a while if we're to be honest.


Yup. 3 day holiday weekend coming up, weather looks like it's going to be good. I can find better things to do for a bit.
its certainly  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
better for your health.
.  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:18 pm : link
Mets Have Bone Spurs (@jetsfan24x7)
5 mins ago - View on Twitter
@Mets With every game De Aza plays, Mr. Met's noose gets tighter and tighter
Thanks Gary Cohen for your opinion  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:22 pm : link
I have no interest, Cohen told Joe & Evan. Ive got (Wilmer) Flores and (Dilson) Herrera, both of whom can play second base. I have no interest in bringing back Daniel Murphy. Joe, you watch this guy play every day Hes a nice hitter, and hes hit some home runs lately, but hes not a high on-base percentage guy.

Hes not a big power hitter. Hes a good hitter, hes a good hitter. Hes a good sixth or seventh hitter in a good lineup. Thats what he is. And he hurts you so badly in the field and on the bases, and with all the craziness I think its time to move on Murph is a lovable guy, but I think hes a net negative, and Ive always felt that way.
at this point  
spike : 6/29/2016 10:41 pm : link
the mets need to IBB Murphy whenever he comes up to bat
I was at the game  
RobCarpenter : 6/29/2016 11:05 pm : link
Cespedes had nearly 1/3 of Scherzer's Ks. And without Murphy Nats have one run.

I'm a Nats fan (grew up a Yankees fan, never a Mets fan). I'm shocked how bad the Mets were tonight. And that lead off hitter, oof.
De aza is worthless  
spike : 6/29/2016 11:08 pm : link
I will be surprised if he will be wearing a Mets jersey next week.
RE: De aza is worthless  
RobCarpenter : 6/29/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13014927 spike said:
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I will be surprised if he will be wearing a Mets jersey next week.



Agreed, wow is he bad.
And to think that some (you know who you are) thought De Aza  
TD : 6/30/2016 1:34 am : link
And Lagares would be a near-Cespedes level platoon in CF.

Lol we would be 15 back right now if we rolled into the season with that Garbage in CF.

That said, 15 back at some point this year isn't out of the realm of possibility. Just doesn't feel like our year. I'm afraid our O lineup is going in the wrong direction heading into the offseason..
Its difficult to repeat as division champs  
spike : 6/30/2016 6:03 am : link
Just ask the Dodgers, Cardinals, Royals, and the Blue Jays
From the NY Post  
spike : 6/30/2016 7:34 am : link
"The 2015 Mets through 77 games: 40-37 record, 276 runs scored (14th most in the National League).

The 2016 Mets through 77 games: 40-37 record, 276 runs scored (14th most in the NL)."
RE: From the NY Post  
PhiPsi125 : 6/30/2016 8:13 am : link
In comment 13015030 spike said:
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"The 2015 Mets through 77 games: 40-37 record, 276 runs scored (14th most in the National League).

The 2016 Mets through 77 games: 40-37 record, 276 runs scored (14th most in the NL)."


This means absolutely nothing. Big difference is how many games back we are. This season is pretty much toast. Only a few more weeks before Terry and Sandy get serious about the season.
d'Aza sucks. He's not a major league player  
Victor in CT : 6/30/2016 9:15 am : link
Nimmo is the kind of bat they need if he is truly ready. Line drives to all fields, keeps innings alive.

Agree with those who say they should lock up Cespedes. The guy is a player. Period. Alderson lucked into this guy and won't admit he was wrong about him. If not for a chance xray/MRI, you have Carlos Gomez (hitting a beefy .226 with 3 dingers for Houston) batting 3rd here. Scary thought.

Disagree with those who think that Murphy is suddenly Rogers Hornsby. He's playing over his head. A nice player when he's hot, sometimes a liability when he's not. And he's in a much better lineup there between Harper and Ramos.
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arcarsenal : 6/30/2016 9:20 am : link
Not sure what they're supposed to do to "get serious about the season".. but I guess we'll keep going with that?

Not even a major trade helps this team right now because half of it is injured and most of it is completely underperforming. No one player is going to be a savior.

The only chance the 2016 Mets have is to not fall too far out, get healthy and get hot for a good stretch in the 2nd half. I'm not holding my breath for that at this point but no matter how "serious" anyone in the FO gets, I can't see them magically fixing this mess.

They picked up Reyes and he's struggling to even get a hit in the minors.. they called up Nimmo. They worked out Gourriel and say he won't be ready for the majors for a month. What else can we do right now? Take calls on Rosario and deal him away for a hitter? I'm being serious. I'm just looking at a team that has their two best pitchers this year having elbow issues, their two best pitchers from last year underperforming (deGrom less than Harvey).. their 3B out for the year, their 1B out for at least another month and has been out most of the year, were without their C most of the year and he's struggled for the most part when he's played.. it's just a lot to overcome.

It feels like a lost season to me. I'd rather not further mortgage the future for the sake of this season at this point.
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arcarsenal : 6/30/2016 9:23 am : link
Forgot to add that Lagares is out and now Granderson is having issues as well.

And yeah, de Aza has sucked. To me, he looks like a guy who is pissed that he's not getting the PT he thought he would when he initially signed and is just mentally not even interested. I'd be fine with getting rid of him but who do we even replace him with?
The team looks terrible  
Metnut : 6/30/2016 9:32 am : link
and yea, the NL East appears to be slipping away, but acting like the season is over already is just being dramatic.

The team is half a game out of a wild card spot today and there's half a season left to go. Maybe the offense is putrid the rest of the year and they just fade away, but teams are never as bad as they look when they are in a horrible slump.
RE: .  
PhiPsi125 : 6/30/2016 9:35 am : link
In comment 13015139 arcarsenal said:
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Not sure what they're supposed to do to "get serious about the season".. but I guess we'll keep going with that?

Not even a major trade helps this team right now because half of it is injured and most of it is completely underperforming. No one player is going to be a savior.

The only chance the 2016 Mets have is to not fall too far out, get healthy and get hot for a good stretch in the 2nd half. I'm not holding my breath for that at this point but no matter how "serious" anyone in the FO gets, I can't see them magically fixing this mess.

They picked up Reyes and he's struggling to even get a hit in the minors.. they called up Nimmo. They worked out Gourriel and say he won't be ready for the majors for a month. What else can we do right now? Take calls on Rosario and deal him away for a hitter? I'm being serious. I'm just looking at a team that has their two best pitchers this year having elbow issues, their two best pitchers from last year underperforming (deGrom less than Harvey).. their 3B out for the year, their 1B out for at least another month and has been out most of the year, were without their C most of the year and he's struggled for the most part when he's played.. it's just a lot to overcome.

It feels like a lost season to me. I'd rather not further mortgage the future for the sake of this season at this point.


Not sure why you've been a raging douchebag lately but I guess we'll keep going with that too, huh?

And half our team isn't injured, but nice try. Wright and Duda from our starting lineup are injured. Nobody really expected anything from Wright and Duda is always hit and miss. Underperforming? Sure. Then maybe the entire coaching staff should be held to the fire for not adjusting.

But when your manager and GM both say that the time to get serious is after the all star break (inexplicably before the most important 20 game stretch of the season - when you are already 5 games out and sinking fast) then you set yourself up for ridicule. It goes along with h the complete lack of urgency that surrounds this team, coaching staff and FO.

But keep it up with the condescending prick act, it's what you are good at.
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arcarsenal : 6/30/2016 9:43 am : link
How am I being a "raging douchebag" ?

Were did Sandy and Terry even say that they were going to wait until after the AS break to "get serious" about the season? You keep running with this narrative that no one in the front office has been paying any attention to the team for the first 3 months of the season. I'm asking you seriously.. do you really think that's true? What do YOU think they should have done instead? What moves should Alderson have made that he didn't?

And yes, half our lineup either is injured or has been injured. We're missing both corner IFers, our C missed more than half the year so far, Lagares is on the DL, Granderson is day to day now and then you have Conforto who was so lost that he had to be sent down. Even Cespedes and Walker have been banged up. Literally every player from our opening day lineup is either on the DL, has been on the DL or has been dinged. In addition to this, our two best pitchers have bone spurs and Matz can't even get through 5 innings anymore. Show me a team who is overcoming all of that.
Nobody expected anything from Wright?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2016 9:46 am : link
News to me and a few others, I'm sure. .

And we can all beat up on Duda for his streakiness, but it's still a 30-35 HR bat in the lineup.
Conforto is out because he sucked, not injured.  
PhiPsi125 : 6/30/2016 9:52 am : link
Granderson has been out for a game or two because of what exactly? Much ado about nothing. Cespedes is the MLB version of a flopper. Every team has players that are dinged up, but He pussification of the mets need to put it out there daily and hang on the fact that their injured. Even the FO states that out pitchers are hyper sensitive about every little ache and pain. Play the fuck through it.

Whatever.
The #1 factor in the slide is Conforto  
Eric on Li : 6/30/2016 9:55 am : link
we expected him to be our most consistent hitter (I know I did, and certainly once they moved him up to the 3 hole it looked like it was a foregone conclusion). Instead, he had a terrible slide to Vegas.

#2 factor is that none of the other guys who could have possibly filled that role and stepped up did. TDA once again hurt. Duda hurt. Wright ineffective and hurt. Flores taking a step back instead of forward.

#3 is that the pitching hasn't been as good (I haven't looked at the numbers to compare them but I'm pretty sure this is true).

Is there hope? Yes. Conforto and Reyes could be 2 big pieces. The pitching could turn things around. Sandy could make a move to knock some of the dead wood off the roster (ADA). This season certainly hasn't gone as we'd have hoped but all is not lost. Still right in the mix for a wild card spot and in a series our pitching can beat anyone.
RE: The #1 factor in the slide is Conforto  
Victor in CT : 6/30/2016 10:00 am : link
In comment 13015214 Eric on Li said:
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we expected him to be our most consistent hitter (I know I did, and certainly once they moved him up to the 3 hole it looked like it was a foregone conclusion). Instead, he had a terrible slide to Vegas.

#2 factor is that none of the other guys who could have possibly filled that role and stepped up did. TDA once again hurt. Duda hurt. Wright ineffective and hurt. Flores taking a step back instead of forward.

#3 is that the pitching hasn't been as good (I haven't looked at the numbers to compare them but I'm pretty sure this is true).

Is there hope? Yes. Conforto and Reyes could be 2 big pieces. The pitching could turn things around. Sandy could make a move to knock some of the dead wood off the roster (ADA). This season certainly hasn't gone as we'd have hoped but all is not lost. Still right in the mix for a wild card spot and in a series our pitching can beat anyone.


#3 is the "dirty little secret". Other than Syndegaard none of them so called elite young arms have been dominant. Colon has been their 2nd best pitcher. Harvey certainly isn't making anyone forget Dwight Gooden.
RE: Nobody expected anything from Wright?  
PhiPsi125 : 6/30/2016 10:00 am : link
In comment 13015188 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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News to me and a few others, I'm sure. .

And we can all beat up on Duda for his streakiness, but it's still a 30-35 HR bat in the lineup.


Most people were HOPING for 100 games from Wright and then didn't even know what to expect. So yeah, I guess its just news to you, I guess.

Duda is synonymous with streaky. Yeah, he hits a lot of HRs...in clumps. He'll carry you for a week and then sink the team like an anchor for the next three or four or six weeks. Awesome player.
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arcarsenal : 6/30/2016 10:01 am : link
Pretty sure I said "Conforto was so lost he had to be sent down..." but even he had a wrist issue and needed a cortisone shot.

It's also a lot easier to sit behind a computer and tell guys to play the fuck through it than actually do it. Bone spurs can be quite painful and neither Matz or Syndergaard have made real MLB money yet. Can you blame these guys for being super cautious? Collins admitted they're instructed to notify the club of literally ANY discomfort they're experiencing anyway.
RE: RE: Nobody expected anything from Wright?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/30/2016 10:03 am : link
In comment 13015229 PhiPsi125 said:
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In comment 13015188 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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News to me and a few others, I'm sure. .

And we can all beat up on Duda for his streakiness, but it's still a 30-35 HR bat in the lineup.



Most people were HOPING for 100 games from Wright and then didn't even know what to expect. So yeah, I guess its just news to you, I guess.



You can't call out other people for being "raging douchebags" and then post like this. Calm down.
RE: RE: RE: Nobody expected anything from Wright?  
PhiPsi125 : 6/30/2016 10:07 am : link
In comment 13015236 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13015229 PhiPsi125 said:


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In comment 13015188 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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News to me and a few others, I'm sure. .

And we can all beat up on Duda for his streakiness, but it's still a 30-35 HR bat in the lineup.



Most people were HOPING for 100 games from Wright and then didn't even know what to expect. So yeah, I guess its just news to you, I guess.





You can't call out other people for being "raging douchebags" and then post like this. Calm down.


Thanks for the advice. I'll think about it long and hard. Thanks brah.
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