You can make the case that the two trips are very similar in terms of talent however durant as a 4th with the clippers is far superior then as a 4th with the Knicks. Just a much better fit
Them all but tidbits from ESPN in case no one mentioned:
Grizzlies confident about Conley returning and are to go after parsons.
Thunder plan to make a run for Horford and have a 2nd meeting secured after his 5 meetings with other teams.
Obviously Knicks over everything, but KD and Russ are probably my two favorite players in the league. Would love for them to get Horford if neither come to NY I wanna see them finish their primes in OKC.
I guess it depends on what you're getting out of Rose.
I don't think so.
But does that matter since it's the east? I think the upside of that being the 3rd or even 2nd season is very real.
I think the downside (injuries, Noah putting up identical season to last, etc.) is also very real.
Are you guys high? CP3, Griffin and Jordan are undoubtably worlds better then any trio of the Knicks, and in terms of court impact probably better then all 4 combined.
You can make a case that the Clippers have the 3 best players period, and even if you put Melo above Jordan, the difference between Griffin and whoever and Chris Paul and Rose is worlds. Paul, Griffin and Jordan are all top 25-30 players in the NBA, with CP3 and Griffin somewhere in the top 10. Rose, Noah and KP are not top 50 players in the NBA. Are they even top 100 players? Maybe KP is, not so sure about the other two.
I guess it depends on what you're getting out of Rose.
I don't think so.
But does that matter since it's the east? I think the upside of that being the 3rd or even 2nd season is very real.
I think the downside (injuries, Noah putting up identical season to last, etc.) is also very real.
Are you guys high? CP3, Griffin and Jordan are undoubtably worlds better then any trio of the Knicks, and in terms of court impact probably better then all 4 combined.
You can make a case that the Clippers have the 3 best players period, and even if you put Melo above Jordan, the difference between Griffin and whoever and Chris Paul and Rose is worlds. Paul, Griffin and Jordan are all top 25-30 players in the NBA, with CP3 and Griffin somewhere in the top 10. Rose, Noah and KP are not top 50 players in the NBA. Are they even top 100 players? Maybe KP is, not so sure about the other two.
Excuse me, I read that wrong. I read it flipped. the clips trio is def better than that Knicks foursome (especially if you add reddick to the clips).
I'm not sure if that was supposed to be in context to where KD would fit. The clips would likely have to cut bait with Griffin to make that work.
And clippers can really clear the cap space while keeping the big 3 I would sign with the clippers.
Clippers cannot offer KD the max if they keep their big 3. Literally impossible.
Lets assume the most Clips friendly cap -- $93 million. KD's max then is $27.9 mill. Big 3 make 64.1 million. Assume they could get rid over everyone and take no salary back. They'd still have ghost holds of the rookie minimum * 7 roster spots (13-big 3 and KD). At 543,471 each, it's 3.8 million.
64.1 + 3.8 + 27.9 = 2.8 million over the cap. Durant would have to leave 2.8 million on the table, and sign up for a team of 4 guys plus everyone else on the minimum.
Paul, Griffin, Jordan>Rose, Melo, Noah, KP and it's not close until I see what version of Rose we are getting. If it's Rose of a few years ago, it's most certainly close.
Paul, Griffin, Jordan>Rose, Melo, Noah, KP and it's not close until I see what version of Rose we are getting. If it's Rose of a few years ago, it's most certainly close.
So you're holding out hope that the Bulls traded us the MVP version of Rose?
I can't remember (last year) if we started hearing stuff tonight, or was it after the 1st. Anyone remember when reports started to come out?
Believe that there will be leaked reports throughout the day. Just stay up for like 40 minutes after midnight. There's gonna be a flurry of transactions
but I am not expecting 2015 Rose which seems to be the opinion of some here. If Rose is 75% of MVP Rose, then the comparisons to the Clippers certainly are close.
but I am not expecting 2015 Rose which seems to be the opinion of some here. If Rose is 75% of MVP Rose, then the comparisons to the Clippers certainly are close.
Rose is the big wild card in this equation. If Rose is a bit better than 2015 second half Rose (which is entirely possibly health permitting) and KP making the expected progression than I take the Knicks 4 some as better than the Clips trio.
Darren Wolfson @DWolfsonKSTP
(1/2) Local NBA FA buzz: Orono HS alum Jon Leuer has the Suns, Lakers, + NYK, among teams interested. Good under-the-radar FA, IMO.
Darren Wolfson @DWolfsonKSTP
(1/2) Local NBA FA buzz: Orono HS alum Jon Leuer has the Suns, Lakers, + NYK, among teams interested. Good under-the-radar FA, IMO.
That'd be cool. Leuer is what we should be looking at for backups. Good shooter, tough, Badger.
I can't remember (last year) if we started hearing stuff tonight, or was it after the 1st. Anyone remember when reports started to come out?
You will hear rumors of who is interested in who, who called who things like that, maybe a couple of meetings taking place...
I think and this is just my opinion that the knicks have their deal in place with noah for the most part and are meeting someone else at midnight, that is why Noah's meeting is tomorrow afternoon
is also a great fit for the Clippers with his dead-eye shooting from 3-- also better than whatever fourth option the knicks currently have.
If the keep Paul, Blake, Jordan, and JJ, Durant's maximum contract is down to $18 million.
Is it worth considering scenarios where Durant is taking 18 million? Because I could stack a lot of teams if Durant is leaving $10 million on the table.
but I am not expecting 2015 Rose which seems to be the opinion of some here. If Rose is 75% of MVP Rose, then the comparisons to the Clippers certainly are close.
Still not close. You'd still have at best one of the top 4 players. How is it even close? Who is 75% of MVP Rose better then of the Clippers 3?
RE: RE: Hopefully it's a legitimate starting 2-guard
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Source tells @MarcJSpearsESPN that Nic Batum will meet with Hornets and Mavs in Dallas and will talk to Knicks, Lakers, Wizards on phone.
RE: RE: RE: Hopefully it's a legitimate starting 2-guard
Wait what combo guard are you referring to? Galloway?
No one in the roster in particular. Just, who's the last legitimate complete 2-guard the Knicks actually have had?
Jamal Crawford?
Hornacek said he wanted a legit 3 and d guy, someone who can knock down an open shot because between rose and melo the 2 guard is going to get a lot of open 3s
RE: RE: RE: Hopefully it's a legitimate starting 2-guard
makes the most sense for him. They have a good title chance, maybe great if the upgrade Kanter to Horford. It will preserve his ability to get the highest possible contract -- 5 year deal w/ Bird rights next offseason.
Good for the Knicks too. IMO this isnt the year for us to try to land a superstar UFA. It's next year, if somehow we really look good. E.g. KP breaks out, Rose looks like he's a star, and maybe a free agent signing really works out.
"His decision is 90 percent made. It would take an amazing sales pitch to change it," said one of Durant's longtime friends.
Another Durant colleague said, "It's going to take some sweet-talking to get him to pass up all the money he can get by staying in OKC."
"His decision is 90 percent made. It would take an amazing sales pitch to change it," said one of Durant's longtime friends.
Another Durant colleague said, "It's going to take some sweet-talking to get him to pass up all the money he can get by staying in OKC."
This is the relevant point. I believe the numbers are something like $54-56m he would be leaving on the table by not re-signing in OKC vs what he could make from any other team.
I guess it depends on what you're getting out of Rose.
I don't think so.
But does that matter since it's the east? I think the upside of that being the 3rd or even 2nd season is very real.
I think the downside (injuries, Noah putting up identical season to last, etc.) is also very real.
Grizzlies confident about Conley returning and are to go after parsons.
Thunder plan to make a run for Horford and have a 2nd meeting secured after his 5 meetings with other teams.
Obviously Knicks over everything, but KD and Russ are probably my two favorite players in the league. Would love for them to get Horford if neither come to NY I wanna see them finish their primes in OKC.
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a better trio than Rose/Melo/KP/Noah?
I guess it depends on what you're getting out of Rose.
I don't think so.
But does that matter since it's the east? I think the upside of that being the 3rd or even 2nd season is very real.
I think the downside (injuries, Noah putting up identical season to last, etc.) is also very real.
Are you guys high? CP3, Griffin and Jordan are undoubtably worlds better then any trio of the Knicks, and in terms of court impact probably better then all 4 combined.
You can make a case that the Clippers have the 3 best players period, and even if you put Melo above Jordan, the difference between Griffin and whoever and Chris Paul and Rose is worlds. Paul, Griffin and Jordan are all top 25-30 players in the NBA, with CP3 and Griffin somewhere in the top 10. Rose, Noah and KP are not top 50 players in the NBA. Are they even top 100 players? Maybe KP is, not so sure about the other two.
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a better trio than Rose/Melo/KP/Noah?
I guess it depends on what you're getting out of Rose.
I don't think so.
But does that matter since it's the east? I think the upside of that being the 3rd or even 2nd season is very real.
I think the downside (injuries, Noah putting up identical season to last, etc.) is also very real.
Are you guys high? CP3, Griffin and Jordan are undoubtably worlds better then any trio of the Knicks, and in terms of court impact probably better then all 4 combined.
You can make a case that the Clippers have the 3 best players period, and even if you put Melo above Jordan, the difference between Griffin and whoever and Chris Paul and Rose is worlds. Paul, Griffin and Jordan are all top 25-30 players in the NBA, with CP3 and Griffin somewhere in the top 10. Rose, Noah and KP are not top 50 players in the NBA. Are they even top 100 players? Maybe KP is, not so sure about the other two.
Excuse me, I read that wrong. I read it flipped. the clips trio is def better than that Knicks foursome (especially if you add reddick to the clips).
I'm not sure if that was supposed to be in context to where KD would fit. The clips would likely have to cut bait with Griffin to make that work.
Clippers cannot offer KD the max if they keep their big 3. Literally impossible.
Lets assume the most Clips friendly cap -- $93 million. KD's max then is $27.9 mill. Big 3 make 64.1 million. Assume they could get rid over everyone and take no salary back. They'd still have ghost holds of the rookie minimum * 7 roster spots (13-big 3 and KD). At 543,471 each, it's 3.8 million.
64.1 + 3.8 + 27.9 = 2.8 million over the cap. Durant would have to leave 2.8 million on the table, and sign up for a team of 4 guys plus everyone else on the minimum.
Not even a close call.
Yep and the Knicks trio hasn't lost 1 game! Clearly the Knicks trio is better.
So you're holding out hope that the Bulls traded us the MVP version of Rose?
Believe that there will be leaked reports throughout the day. Just stay up for like 40 minutes after midnight. There's gonna be a flurry of transactions
Nope. And he's probably my favorite knick of the last few years. Didn't "grow up". He had Lebron.
Winning =/= "grown up".
Rose is the big wild card in this equation. If Rose is a bit better than 2015 second half Rose (which is entirely possibly health permitting) and KP making the expected progression than I take the Knicks 4 some as better than the Clips trio.
(1/2) Local NBA FA buzz: Orono HS alum Jon Leuer has the Suns, Lakers, + NYK, among teams interested. Good under-the-radar FA, IMO.
(1/2) Local NBA FA buzz: Orono HS alum Jon Leuer has the Suns, Lakers, + NYK, among teams interested. Good under-the-radar FA, IMO.
That'd be cool. Leuer is what we should be looking at for backups. Good shooter, tough, Badger.
Winning =/= "grown up".
This.
The guy will show up to the White House without a shirt on.
This is a good point. JJ would be an amazing fit for us right now.
You will hear rumors of who is interested in who, who called who things like that, maybe a couple of meetings taking place...
I think and this is just my opinion that the knicks have their deal in place with noah for the most part and are meeting someone else at midnight, that is why Noah's meeting is tomorrow afternoon
Wait what combo guard are you referring to? Galloway?
If the keep Paul, Blake, Jordan, and JJ, Durant's maximum contract is down to $18 million.
Is it worth considering scenarios where Durant is taking 18 million? Because I could stack a lot of teams if Durant is leaving $10 million on the table.
Still not close. You'd still have at best one of the top 4 players. How is it even close? Who is 75% of MVP Rose better then of the Clippers 3?
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This combo guard bullshit is tired.
Wait what combo guard are you referring to? Galloway?
No one in the roster in particular. Just, who's the last legitimate complete 2-guard the Knicks actually have had?
Jamal Crawford?
Source tells @MarcJSpearsESPN that Nic Batum will meet with Hornets and Mavs in Dallas and will talk to Knicks, Lakers, Wizards on phone.
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This combo guard bullshit is tired.
Wait what combo guard are you referring to? Galloway?
No one in the roster in particular. Just, who's the last legitimate complete 2-guard the Knicks actually have had?
Jamal Crawford?
Hornacek said he wanted a legit 3 and d guy, someone who can knock down an open shot because between rose and melo the 2 guard is going to get a lot of open 3s
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This combo guard bullshit is tired.
Wait what combo guard are you referring to? Galloway?
No one in the roster in particular. Just, who's the last legitimate complete 2-guard the Knicks actually have had?
Jamal Crawford?
Lol isn't Crawford the definition of combo guard? But I guess In a good way where he could play both positions effectively in short stretches
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In comment 13016084 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This combo guard bullshit is tired.
Wait what combo guard are you referring to? Galloway?
No one in the roster in particular. Just, who's the last legitimate complete 2-guard the Knicks actually have had?
Jamal Crawford?
Lol isn't Crawford the definition of combo guard? But I guess In a good way where he could play both positions effectively in short stretches
I always viewed Crawford as a 2-guard who could kind of run the offense if he had to. Let's be honest, Jamal was a shooter.
I would but I doubt they do considering they still need to pay a SG. He'd be fantastic insurance on Rose.
Source?
Good for the Knicks too. IMO this isnt the year for us to try to land a superstar UFA. It's next year, if somehow we really look good. E.g. KP breaks out, Rose looks like he's a star, and maybe a free agent signing really works out.
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To stay in OKC
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Marc Spears ESPN:
"His decision is 90 percent made. It would take an amazing sales pitch to change it," said one of Durant's longtime friends.
Another Durant colleague said, "It's going to take some sweet-talking to get him to pass up all the money he can get by staying in OKC."
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To stay in OKC
Source?
Marc Spears ESPN:
"His decision is 90 percent made. It would take an amazing sales pitch to change it," said one of Durant's longtime friends.
Another Durant colleague said, "It's going to take some sweet-talking to get him to pass up all the money he can get by staying in OKC."
This is the relevant point. I believe the numbers are something like $54-56m he would be leaving on the table by not re-signing in OKC vs what he could make from any other team.
Really? Didn't think there was much of a chance he'd leave at all.