Simms: Playing Buddy Ryan's D was misery

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with Simms here? It was pure misery fan-wise and add to that Cunningham who would give us fits at times

defensive mind.

when Ryan left the Bears to coach the Eagles was, "Oh, shit!"

In comment 13015042 Big Blue '56 said:

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with Simms here? It was pure misery fan-wise and add to that Cunningham who would give us fits at times

I hated playing those Ryan teams..

But we still won a Super Bowl Championship while he was coaching in the NFC East and Filthy still has zero super bowl wins

equipped to neutralize what the Giants did best on both sides of the ball. They always knew where the Giants QB would be and could over power the Giants OL. On the other side the Giants couldn't catch their QB.

the best in my "over 50" years of watching the NFL. That 46 defense seemed like there was 17 guys on the ball the moment the ball was snapped. Incredible.

those Rams teams, with and without Everett, were real thorns..Never liked playing them and not because of "Flipper" only

In comment 13015194 Big Blue '56 said:

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those Rams teams, with and without Everett, were real thorns..Never liked playing them and not because of "Flipper" only

Loved beating the living shit out of them in the 1990 return match in Anaheim though :-)

In comment 13015221 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 13015194 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: those Rams teams, with and without Everett, were real thorns..Never liked playing them and not because of "Flipper" only Loved beating the living shit out of them in the 1990 return match in Anaheim though :-)

I usually don't blank on the distant past performances, but I have almost zero recall of that. Strange, huh? I'm sure a few key plays would jumpstart my memory. Well, maybe not so sure..

In comment 13015240 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13015221 Victor in CT said: Quote: In comment 13015194 Big Blue '56 said: Quote: those Rams teams, with and without Everett, were real thorns..Never liked playing them and not because of "Flipper" only Loved beating the living shit out of them in the 1990 return match in Anaheim though :-) I usually don't blank on the distant past performances, but I have almost zero recall of that. Strange, huh? I'm sure a few key plays would jumpstart my memory. Well, maybe not so sure..

Really? One of my all time favorite games. No one particular play, just a total physical ass whipping for 60 minutes on both sides of the ball, 31-7 final. The sound of the pads in the 4th qtr when the sissy Rams fans went home is etched in my memory.

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the best in my "over 50" years of watching the NFL. That 46 defense seemed like there was 17 guys on the ball the moment the ball was snapped. Incredible.

Agree completely. I've never seen a D dominate a game like they did. Scheme and talent. The Bears really didn't need an offense that year.

would have loved to see how we would have done against their dominate defense with more benign weather conditions. The wind and cold was so bad - let's not forget our punter whiffed on one early attempt when the wind blew the ball away from his kicking motion.

If I remember correctly we were shut out.

With all that has been written, we STILL went into the 4th qtr trailing 7-0 on a gift Shaun Gayle TD on the Landeta whiff right before halftime..Without that fluke, we probably are tied at 0 into the 4th..

Our D was relentless as well before tiring in the 4th..We did virtually nothing..

I went with the late Bob in Annapolis and afterwards at a "Bears' Bar" we were constantly asked by Bears' fans to pose for a pic with them. We had our Giants construction hats on in addition to the other gear.

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thought you were saying Playing FOR Ryan's D was a misery. My mistake, BB'56.

In comment 13015538 Big Blue '56 said:

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With all that has been written, we STILL went into the 4th qtr trailing 7-0 on a gift Shaun Gayle TD on the Landeta whiff right before halftime..Without that fluke, we probably are tied at 0 into the 4th.. Our D was relentless as well before tiring in the 4th..We did virtually nothing.. I went with the late Bob in Annapolis and afterwards at a "Bears' Bar" we were constantly asked by Bears' fans to pose for a pic with them. We had our Giants construction hats on in addition to the other gear.

The Bobby Johnson drop in the end zone was criminal. As was Shubert forgetting he was on the hash mark and kicking it straight as an arrow into the upright.

How do they compare to the 2000 Raven's defense?

I think one of the saddest moments of my football life was watching the game the book "No Medals for Trying" is based upon. I hated playing against Buddy Ryan's teams.

The '85 Bears allowed 198 points and the '00 Ravens allowed a measly 165. 12.38 vs. 10.31 points per game. Amazing.

the '00 Ravens vs. 2007 Patriots.

Meggett's fumble was the real losing play, not Randell's punt. All these years later it still ranks with the Flipper game, the Jet game and the Kenny Hill game as the longest drives home.

the TN kicker decided that game for the Ravens. They were not the 85 Bears or the 86 Giants.

I've never had elation turn to misery as quickly as that one play. Screwy crap always seemed to go against the Giants in Eagles games back then.

In comment 13015650 Greg from LI said:

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I've never had elation turn to misery as quickly as that one play. Screwy crap always seemed to go against the Giants in Eagles games back then.

No, that was another nightmare game. Christ...I forgot about that one... thanks Greg!

They could run some with Payton, but McMahon was their QB. He really did suck. Its amazing how the D carried the team. What was the SB, something like a 46-10 win right, and again they had a crappy offense.

In comment 13015638 mrvax said:

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the '00 Ravens vs. 2007 Patriots.

Why the Giants D wasn't enough, allowing just 14 points to the greatest O in history? :)

In comment 13015632 Eric from BBI said:

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I think one of the saddest moments of my football life was watching the game the book "No Medals for Trying" is based upon. I hated playing against Buddy Ryan's teams.

Best book about the Giants ever, imo

I don't want to have them, but I have so many unpleasant memories of that era. The Cunningham punt, Banks nailing Cunningham and he just does a handstand and scores, Simms getting hammered over and over again, Pepper being airmailed by Keith Byars, the blocked FG from hell...

In comment 13015701 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 13015632 Eric from BBI said: Quote: I think one of the saddest moments of my football life was watching the game the book "No Medals for Trying" is based upon. I hated playing against Buddy Ryan's teams. Best book about the Giants ever, imo

Yes. Great story, incredibly well written by Jerry Izenberg. Love that book.

I agree. I need to re-read that at some point.

was a treasure. Mara Tech.......

He's still around just not writing much anymore.

Arguably one of the best ever..

If it wasn't for free agency & Buddy leaving the Bears, they could have been a dynasty not ever seen in the history of the NFL. (They basically just figured it out in '85, they were set to get better !)

The Ravens were excellent, but the '85 Bears just humiliated offenses as I've never seen any other team do. I've been watching pro football 58 years.

I have better recall of the 88-90 seasons than I do 13-15.

Flipper Anderson deprived the world of what would have been an amazing NFCC in 1989, just like the 1990 game turned out to be.

And please go fuck yourself.

But I clearly remember hating to play the Eagles during Buddy Ryan era.

I'll have to check it out. What game was it based on?

Personally, maybe it is more a bias or warped memory, but I always felt Cunningham was more responsible for the Eagles success against the Giants. The Eagles D certainly was very physical and gave us fits, but we always seemed to be right in games. Cunningham found ways to break us.

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I have better recall of the 88-90 seasons than I do 13-15. Flipper Anderson deprived the world of what would have been an amazing NFCC in 1989, just like the 1990 game turned out to be.

The Bavaro injury gets overlooked from that 89 season. Even on one leg that beast did so much for the Giants offense. I don't think we beat the Niners without him. Even in 90, on nothing more than guts and painkillers Bavaro made a huge play on that last drive to get us into FG range. And of course his blocking.

The 89 team was better than the 90 team in many areas but the loss of Bavaro sapped the offense of much of its grit. That's why I still say the 90 team was better than the 89 team and the record and end result reflects this.

In comment 13016480 Matt M. said:

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I'll have to check it out. What game was it based on? Personally, maybe it is more a bias or warped memory, but I always felt Cunningham was more responsible for the Eagles success against the Giants. The Eagles D certainly was very physical and gave us fits, but we always seemed to be right in games. Cunningham found ways to break us.

the week between the Monday night loss in SF when LT got rolled by the cocksucking, cheating, chop block instructed Niner line and the Eagles game on Sunday

Last season, football's New York Giants invited sportswriter Izenberg (How Many Miles to Camelot, 1972) to observe a week of practices and team meetings. He made the most of the opportunity, coming up with this engrossing day-by-day account leading up to an important game. Coming off a bitter and disappointing Monday night loss to the San Francisco 49ers, the Giants, faced with a shortened workweek, waste no time in beginning preparations for Sunday's crucial matchup with the tough Philadelphia Eagles and their outstanding quarterback Randall Cunningham. As Izenberg makes clear, the most important members of the team during the week are trainer Ronnie Barnes and Dr. Russ Warren. Can they mend quarterback Phil Simms' bum ankle? More important, can they have inspirational linebacker Lawrence Taylor (with a painful, hobbling knee injury) ready by game time?
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In comment 13017575 djm said:

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The Bavaro injury gets overlooked from that 89 season. Even on one leg that beast did so much for the Giants offense. I don't think we beat the Niners without him. Even in 90, on nothing more than guts and painkillers Bavaro made a huge play on that last drive to get us into FG range. And of course his blocking. The 89 team was better than the 90 team in many areas but the loss of Bavaro sapped the offense of much of its grit. That's why I still say the 90 team was better than the 89 team and the record and end result reflects this.

Fucking Vencie Glenn

The Niners were such a scummy team.

89 team probably had a more destructive defense than the 90 unit but the 90 unit was every bit as stingy if not more. The 89 offense really lacked that consistency even though they ran the ball so well. In my view Simms had his worst year as a NY Giant in 89. Summer holdout. HE was great in 88 but holds out and loses Bavaro. His WRs fucking sucked in 89 as guys like INgram and Baker were still learning and Manual was hurt or nearly done at this point. Really the 89 O was run, run dump to Meggett. Punt and let the league's best ST and elite defense steal the show.

In comment 13017839 djm said:

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89 team probably had a more destructive defense than the 90 unit but the 90 unit was every bit as stingy if not more. The 89 offense really lacked that consistency even though they ran the ball so well. In my view Simms had his worst year as a NY Giant in 89. Summer holdout. HE was great in 88 but holds out and loses Bavaro. His WRs fucking sucked in 89 as guys like INgram and Baker were still learning and Manual was hurt or nearly done at this point. Really the 89 O was run, run dump to Meggett. Punt and let the league's best ST and elite defense steal the show.

A fun argument to debate, but if the idea is somehow implying a repeat of champions if the '89 team beat the Rams in the playoffs.....

Doubtful.

And if the Giants did win the SB in '89, then there's a 95% chance the 49ers win it in '90.

In comment 13017786 Greg from LI said:

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The Niners were such a scummy team.

Niners OL blocking, or off the field activities of LT and Zeke Mowatt....

Hard to be perfect in the NFL.

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In comment 13017786 Greg from LI said: Quote: The Niners were such a scummy team. Niners OL blocking, or off the field activities of LT and Zeke Mowatt.... Hard to be perfect in the NFL.

That 7-3 loss to you guys at the Stick in '90 was a brutal, brutal game. I grew up with that kind of football..Simms/Lott mask to mask. Doesn't get any better than that. Save for the beating you inflicted on Eli in the 2012 NFCC..That beating reminds me of the conversation Duke the trainer had with Apollo Creed in the rematch with Rocky when he was practically begging Apollo not to take the fight in which he said (paraphrasing), "I saw you beat that man to a pulp and the-man-kept-coming-at-you!"

By Simms to Buddy Ryan. A sporting thing to bring up on the occasion of Ryan's demise.

In comment 13019680 Percy said:

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By Simms to Buddy Ryan. A sporting thing to bring up on the occasion of Ryan's demise.

Agreed. But I also believe that the players around the league during that time, respected Buddy far more than the fans did, imo

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In comment 13017786 Greg from LI said: Quote: The Niners were such a scummy team. Niners OL blocking, or off the field activities of LT and Zeke Mowatt.... Hard to be perfect in the NFL.

Zeke Mowatt?? Lol. Have to do better than that. He never had issues in the NFL till he was in New England. And as much as you might point to him, his actions towards Lisa Olson was a product of the times where women sportswriters were just getting access to male locker rooms. It made headlines but it was not an uncommon type of occurrence back then. This one just went over the line and made headlines.

but The Niners were finally caught cheating the cap in the 90s which leads me to believe they were cheating the cap as soon as it was introduced.

The Niners played dirty football at times. They were known for it. The Giants just aren't known for that crap. Never. I am proud of that and wouldn't boast about it unless I watched every game for the last 35 years or so.