NFT: 13 year old girl Halel Yaffa Ariel died from stabbing

posted on Facebook on Saturday that "death was right" and that he was asking for his right to die.

The indoctrination is disgusting.

Saw that story earlier today and have trouble comprehending how someone could do this to another.

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In comment 13015055 ImThatGuy said:

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Saw that story earlier today and have trouble comprehending how someone could do this to another. Z''l

Even with reports like this being common since the recent Intifada started, I have a very difficult time understanding it too. Stabbing to death a 13 year old girl in her bed? Granted the girl's family lives in Kiryat Arba, a west bank settlement town, they know the risk they take living there...

I have good friends who live there too, I consult to their winery in Hebron.

But the specific act is incomprehensible. And certainly pushes any chance for a negotiated peaceful resolution further away.

should get more media coverage. I admit I don't seek stories like this out, but as I cruise through my morning and catch up on news this doesn't get the placement or coverage it should from the sites I check out. I still don't understand why an attack like this is buried by most websites (if it's even reported), yet if it were reversed it seems like it would be more prominent (opinion obviously)

don't mean to take this thread in an unintended place and I admit I'm not the expert in ME news stories, just my perception.

Seems both sides have monsters.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-15/25-palestinian-children-killed-in-3-months-unicef/7415256

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/middleeast/israeli-teens-sentenced-palestinian-death/

Wish it would stop and every children that dies in this conflict is highlighted just to show what monsters people can be.

Seems both sides have monsters.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-15/25-palestinian-children-killed-in-3-months-unicef/7415256


http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/04/middleeast/israeli-teens-sentenced-palestinian-death/

Wish it would stop and every children that dies in this conflict is highlighted just to show what monsters people can be.

You left out a small detail in that link of yours, sport:

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A report by UNICEF said it was concerned with the excessive use of force in incidents where Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli security forces after allegedly carrying out stabbing attacks.

"Israeli authorities said that she had attempted to stab a policeman, however an eyewitness stated that she was not presenting any threat at the time she was shot, and was shouting that she did not have a knife," it said.

In comment 13015131 pjcas18 said:

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should get more media coverage. I admit I don't seek stories like this out, but as I cruise through my morning and catch up on news this doesn't get the placement or coverage it should from the sites I check out. I still don't understand why an attack like this is buried by most websites (if it's even reported), yet if it were reversed it seems like it would be more prominent (opinion obviously) don't mean to take this thread in an unintended place and I admit I'm not the expert in ME news stories, just my perception.

Here is a editorial from today's Post, it highlights a whole series of attacks in the Muslim world in the past few days/weeks. I have seen zero coverage on them in the US mainstream media. We're talking mass killings via suicide bombers.

Speculate as to why but lets agree US Media leaves much to be desired as far as global terrorism goes.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/world/middleeast/ali-dawabsheh-arson-death-israel-wedding-video.html?_r=0


Point is, it's a shit storm down there, but don't pretend both sides aren't monsters.

But while one side sends its monsters to prison, the other celebrates them as heroes.

But the difference is that Israel holds its criminals accountable (case in point, the settlers who burned the Arab boy alive are now in prison).

By contrast, there is no condemnation by the Palestinians on these atrocities.


And now I see on Twitter that Jeremy Corbin compared Israel to ISIS? It's extremely difficult nowdays to be pro-Israel and Liberal like I am.

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But while one side sends its monsters to prison, the other celebrates them as heroes.

This.

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In comment 13015149 weeg in the bronx said:

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In comment 13015131 pjcas18 said: Quote: should get more media coverage. I admit I don't seek stories like this out, but as I cruise through my morning and catch up on news this doesn't get the placement or coverage it should from the sites I check out. I still don't understand why an attack like this is buried by most websites (if it's even reported), yet if it were reversed it seems like it would be more prominent (opinion obviously) don't mean to take this thread in an unintended place and I admit I'm not the expert in ME news stories, just my perception. Here is a editorial from today's Post, it highlights a whole series of attacks in the Muslim world in the past few days/weeks. I have seen zero coverage on them in the US mainstream media. We're talking mass killings via suicide bombers. Speculate as to why but lets agree US Media leaves much to be desired as far as global terrorism goes. Link - ( New Window )

There are 13 teenagers (on average) murdered every day in the US. Why doesn't the news cover that? What makes this story newsworthy but not the murder of the teenage girl in Detroit last night? Lots of selective outrage as usual.

the US media does a great job covering terrorism, much too great IMO.

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There are 13 teenagers (on average) murdered every day in the US. Why doesn't the news cover that? What makes this story newsworthy but not the murder of the teenage girl in Detroit last night? Lots of selective outrage as usual.

How many 13 year olds are stabbed to death while they sleep?

In comment 13015138 Greg from LI said:

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You left out a small detail in that link of yours, sport: Quote: A report by UNICEF said it was concerned with the excessive use of force in incidents where Palestinian children were shot dead by Israeli security forces after allegedly carrying out stabbing attacks.

Thank you Greg.

Robotic you editorializrd with you comment:

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Seems both sides have monsters.

You are free to voice your opinion, but don't expect others to not investigate your source from which you draw that opinion.

FWIW From whence do groups like UNICEF get their data to create reports about Palestinian deaths? From Hamas or the PA.

The Israeli authorities generally report facts far more accurately and in the case of all uses of lethal force, their own security agents are subjected to scrutiny and even a legal process. Hamas beheads suspected criminals such as collaborators with zero due process. And glorifies their members who commit suicide attacks. Drawing a parallel between the two sides is highly skewed IMO.

But of course I am admittedly an Israeli...

In comment 13015182 AP in Halfmoon said:

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In comment 13015149 weeg in the bronx said: Quote: In comment 13015131 pjcas18 said: Quote: should get more media coverage. I admit I don't seek stories like this out, but as I cruise through my morning and catch up on news this doesn't get the placement or coverage it should from the sites I check out. I still don't understand why an attack like this is buried by most websites (if it's even reported), yet if it were reversed it seems like it would be more prominent (opinion obviously) don't mean to take this thread in an unintended place and I admit I'm not the expert in ME news stories, just my perception. Here is a editorial from today's Post, it highlights a whole series of attacks in the Muslim world in the past few days/weeks. I have seen zero coverage on them in the US mainstream media. We're talking mass killings via suicide bombers. Speculate as to why but lets agree US Media leaves much to be desired as far as global terrorism goes. Link - ( New Window ) There are 13 teenagers (on average) murdered every day in the US. Why doesn't the news cover that? What makes this story newsworthy but not the murder of the teenage girl in Detroit last night? Lots of selective outrage as usual.

Outrage? LOL, merely curiosity as I said, and let's see the Detroit example of a 13 year old girl who had her house broken into and was murdered in her sleep last night for no real reason other than opportunity.

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who posted it, is that I have close friends who live in Kiryat Arba with several children, both daughters and sons, about the same age as the girl murdered in her bed.

of US teenagers with no apparent motive. A NYC teenage girl was beaten to death earlier this year while walking her brother to the store.

http://kfor.com/2015/12/08/police-6-year-old-boy-stabbed-to-death-in-his-sleep-by-intruder/

OK, I assumed you posted it to advance your agenda.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/world/middleeast/ali-dawabsheh-arson-death-israel-wedding-video.html?_r=0 Point is, it's a shit storm down there, but don't pretend both sides aren't monsters.

And the Israeli monsters usually end up incarcerated rather than deified.

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http://kfor.com/2015/12/08/police-6-year-old-boy-stabbed-to-death-in-his-sleep-by-intruder/

What is your goal here?

That story was everywhere when it happened, 6 months ago. It was well reported and the attacker was mentally challenged not targeting a specific group, not a great parallel to this story is it?

checked in yet to condemn this?

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In comment 13015285 AP in Halfmoon said:

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Is that remark about the UN?

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In comment 13015273 Big Al said:

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checked in yet to condemn this?

He did and Howard Stern told him to f-off!

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In comment 13015273 Big Al said: Quote: checked in yet to condemn this? He did and Howard Stern told him to f-off!

He was on Howard or Howard was just commenting on him?

he and Howard are not on speaking terms these days.

is how people justify or agree with it (not necessarily on here so no one gets butt-hurt thinking I'm taking a swipe at them)

In comment 13015174 GMAN4LIFE said:

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Shraga Simmons' "David and Goliath"? It purports to examine the issue of media coverage of Israel. The author describes himself as a "pro Israel activist" which is fine as long as he can write well and isn't completely doctrinaire. It's on my list to buy but I'm not interested in a partisan screed.

At least be consistent in your conversation throttling, mods.

of this conflict should require the intelligence of a middle-school child.

The propaganda, corruption, indoctrination, religious inspiration and justification, on the part of the arab world, UN, is 99% to blame on one side.

The hatred towards Israel is a small part of the persecution and violence that exists in the name of Islam throughout the world. To hold the Israelis accountable for a handful of mostly defensive deaths vs. the millions on the other side in the last 60 years, would be comical if it were not so sad. And perhaps the saddest part is the lack of accountability that the world expects from anyone other than Jews.

"This morning a terrorist sneaked into the bedroom of a 13-year-old girl, Hallel-Yaffa Ariel. He murdered young Hallel in cold blood. A picture of her blood stained room is almost too hard to see. There’s a teddy bear still on her bed, a red beanbag chair, some pictures on the wall, shoes tightly packed in a bin next to her bunk bed.

Why would any person do this?

You don’t murder a sleeping child for peace. You don’t slit a little girl’s throat to protest a policy you don’t like.

You do this because you’ve been brainwashed. You’ve been brainwashed by a warped ideology that teaches you that this child isn’t human.

We will not let barbarism defeat humanity.

There’s no middle ground between beautiful Hallel and her unspeakably evil murderer.

Today, each of us is going to fight back.

I ask you to walk into your child’s bedroom before they go to sleep. I ask you to hug them. I ask you to kiss them. Teach them that the values that Hallel’s murderer most detested – freedom, diversity, pluralism – will never die; we’ll always hold them dear. Tell them that we will never let fear, evil and terror triumph; that we will always stand for justice. And this is how we will fight back. We fight back first by fighting back, fighting the terrorists, fighting their backers, fighting those who incite for such murder, whether in Hebron or in Orlando, or in Berlin, or in Ankara, or in Belgium, anywhere. We fight back by making sure that our collective moral compass doesn’t waver even a millimeter.

Today we will cherish Hallel’s memory. We will defend and honor her dignity by redoubling our efforts around the world to defeat the scourge of radical Islamist terror.

May Hallel’s memory forever be a blessing."
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In comment 13016179 AP in Halfmoon said:

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Great speech.

On that AP we agree 100%.

In comment 13015673 Mike in Marin said:

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And perhaps the saddest part is the lack of accountability that the world expects from anyone other than Jews.

Christians don't seem to be getting a free pass these days either.

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In comment 13015673 Mike in Marin said: Quote: And perhaps the saddest part is the lack of accountability that the world expects from anyone other than Jews. Christians don't seem to be getting a free pass these days either.

That's true, but I was trying to keep it centered on the conflict in discussion.

In comment 13015187 AP in Halfmoon said:

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the US media does a great job covering terrorism, much too great IMO.

What an odd thing to say.

I suppose the media should just go to Locked Up or Parts Unknown when a lunatic shoots and kills 50 people or blows himself up in the middle of an airport.

Terrorism gets a disproportionate amount of coverage and that benefits the terrorists, IMO. Now exaggerate that.

In comment 13016357 AP in Halfmoon said:

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Terrorism gets a disproportionate amount of coverage and that benefits the terrorists, IMO. Now exaggerate that.

Exaggerate what? It was a direct quote and I connected the dots to what you've said here in the past.

How does the media reporting news of terror attacks benefit the terrorists? Like endorsements?

In comment 13015528 TJ said:

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Shraga Simmons' "David and Goliath"? It purports to examine the issue of media coverage of Israel. The author describes himself as a "pro Israel activist" which is fine as long as he can write well and isn't completely doctrinaire. It's on my list to buy but I'm not interested in a partisan screed.

Thanks for sharing that. Hadn't heard of it. Just ordered a copy.

In comment 13016357 AP in Halfmoon said:

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Terrorism gets a disproportionate amount of coverage and that benefits the terrorists, IMO. Now exaggerate that.

this is absurd. they do it to honor their God and prophet. any recruitment on that is completely secondary.

Rational people do not generally kill themselves for popularity, news coverage or politics. It is only their belief in the will of a perceived deity, and promises of a heavenly reward that inspires this over and over again.

In comment 13016390 Mike in Marin said:

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Rational people do not generally kill themselves for popularity, news coverage or politics. It is only their belief in the will of a perceived deity, and promises of a heavenly reward that inspires this over and over again.

That's too simplistic Mike. I often work with Muslim Palestinians and the conversation once drifted to terrorism and attacks. They told us that they are taught from an early age to hate and fear the Jews. Taught that we, Israelis, desire to kill them and take their land. They are taught that if they befriend (any of) us, they can invite us into their homes and treat us as Muslims are taught to treat all guests, with generosity and respect and friendship and of course to offer us food... But at the same time they are firmly admonished never to accept an invitation to come and eat in our homes because we will likely kill them!

They are taught that they must kill us first before we kill them.

They are taught to dehumanize us, and the dehumanization is successful enough so that those commuting the horrific acts of the murder of innocents don't see it as "murder" at all. Hey it worked for the Germans, didn't it? Hell it worked for pioneer Americans who dehumanized the native Americans as "savages."

It is definitely more complex than deifying Allah, honoring their tribe, and going to a reward full of virgins.

RIP