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NFT: Active Shooter on Andrews AFB

Walt in MD : 6/30/2016 9:32 am
Base on lockdown, shooter reported... Developing.
I should say  
Walt in MD : 6/30/2016 9:33 am : link
Joint Base Andrews.
I would not know what you meant  
Rocky369 : 6/30/2016 9:49 am : link
if you had put that in the title. But jeez, when is this stuff going to stop.
That's the home of Air Force One  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/30/2016 9:50 am : link
how do you get on a base with gun? Especially that base?
planned active shooter exercise today  
Rocky369 : 6/30/2016 9:50 am : link
but then a second report in the medical building. Hopefully just another step in their own practice.
Link - ( New Window )
I'm checking CNN  
AP in Halfmoon : 6/30/2016 9:51 am : link
to see how wrong the breaking news is
maybe  
Giantophile : 6/30/2016 11:09 am : link
delete this? Very misleading.
It wasn't misleading when it was posted...  
Dunedin81 : 6/30/2016 11:13 am : link
it seems as though it was an active shooter drill mistaken by someone for the real thing.
oh come on!  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 11:28 am : link
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Someone on the third floor of the Malcolm Grow Medical Facility saw two people walking across the base with long guns, law enforcement officials told NBC News' Pete Williams. The person didn't know a drill had been planned and reported an active shooter.


It's a goddamned military base!! No shit there are people carrying long guns around occasionally.
So can we assume Sonya Thomas  
Pete in MD : 6/30/2016 11:30 am : link
is ok? She works on the base. I look forward to watching her eat 40+ hot dogs in a few days.
I mean, seriously, exactly how fucking stupid does one have to be  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 11:46 am : link
to report an "active shooter" when there are no shots being fired? You didn't hear shit, and all you saw was someone walking across a military base with a long gun?
I wonder how you handle this  
Walt in MD : 6/30/2016 1:04 pm : link
Does the person that called this in get in any trouble? If they are active duty, maybe so. Civilian, I'm doubting it.
They should have called the SPs(Airforce MPs)station  
Shadow : 6/30/2016 1:08 pm : link
Instead of the media.
Is that what happened?  
Walt in MD : 6/30/2016 1:09 pm : link
I thought they tweeted it from an official account.
RE: That's the home of Air Force One  
Hades07 : 6/30/2016 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13015202 AP in Halfmoon said:
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how do you get on a base with gun? Especially that base?

Hypothetically speaking, if this were to happen, the shooter may not need to get on the base with a gun. It is a military base and probably has guns there already. The shooter could get on the base and then get a gun. While difficult, might be easier than trying to sneak one in.
RE: I mean, seriously, exactly how fucking stupid does one have to be  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13015494 Greg from LI said:
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to report an "active shooter" when there are no shots being fired? You didn't hear shit, and all you saw was someone walking across a military base with a long gun?


I would think that the drill was successful.

Isn't this what you would want someone to do? Or do you have to wait until someone is shot?


you'd might want to see what's going on first when you're on a base  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 1:48 pm : link
where people do, in fact, carry rifles from time to time.
RE: you'd might want to see what's going on first when you're on a base  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13015792 Greg from LI said:
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where people do, in fact, carry rifles from time to time.


Granted.

In the case of an active shooter I would think it better to err on the side of caution rather than 3 people dead because nobody reported the two guys with weapons, no?



but that's not an active shooter  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 1:55 pm : link
Call and say "Hey, there's a few guys with rifles out here. Is something going on?" Saying the words "active shooter" is false and sends everyone into a panic.
He's was more of an inactive shooter.  
Randy in CT : 6/30/2016 2:03 pm : link
A "lazy" shooter, if you will?
RE: but that's not an active shooter  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13015819 Greg from LI said:
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Call and say "Hey, there's a few guys with rifles out here. Is something going on?" Saying the words "active shooter" is false and sends everyone into a panic.


Got it. Wasn't thinking about it that way at all.


RE: He's was more of an inactive shooter.  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13015829 Randy in CT said:
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A "lazy" shooter, if you will?


A sedentary shooter.



this guy?  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 2:10 pm : link



RE: RE: He's was more of an inactive shooter.  
Randy in CT : 6/30/2016 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13015842 Cam in MO said:
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In comment 13015829 Randy in CT said:


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A "lazy" shooter, if you will?



A sedentary shooter.


I prefer unmotivated. A slacker shooter, if you will.
so you're talking about Mr. Strickland, then?  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 2:25 pm : link
Eat lead, slackers!!

Greg  
leatherneck570 : 6/30/2016 2:29 pm : link
We're trained to report shit like this. And no, it's not normal to see dudes walking around with long guns at the ready on a military base. Especially in a medical facility.
Why would you wait until somebody has been shot?  
leatherneck570 : 6/30/2016 2:31 pm : link
?
RE: Why would you wait until somebody has been shot?  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13015893 leatherneck570 said:
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?


Because that's when they become "active" rather than sedentary. Duh.
The process broke down because the  
leatherneck570 : 6/30/2016 2:39 pm : link
communication about the drill was poor. Not because it was called in as an "active shooter". (if those were the words that were used.)
Selfies  
BlueLou : 6/30/2016 2:44 pm : link
Cam?
RE: Selfies  
Cam in MO : 6/30/2016 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13015921 BlueLou said:
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Cam?


No. I carry a .45 for personal protection.


I agree with Cam.  
section125 : 6/30/2016 3:02 pm : link
Somebody saw people with rifles that they wouldn't normally see and reported it. I'm not sure what the words (hopefully didn't report shots fired) of the call in were, but I would call that a successful drill, if even just as part of awareness.
If reported wrongly it sets up for a training session, but still, the error was on the right side of caution. The reportee should be lauded and then instructed for accuracy of the report.
IMHO, of course.
they weren't at the medical facility  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 3:33 pm : link
They were seen from the third floor, walking across the base.

Were they at the ready? That's not what the quote said.
I've been through a few of these drills  
leatherneck570 : 6/30/2016 3:50 pm : link
and they always have the weapon at the "ready" as they maneuver around, conducting the exercise.
I've always been terrified...  
BamaBlue : 6/30/2016 3:55 pm : link
by the thought that Air Force personnel have firearms. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Fair enough  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 3:55 pm : link
I don't ever remember one at either Futenma or Yuma. The threatcon was higher in those days in any case, which is why it wasn't unusual to see guys on base with rifles or shotguns. When I was on gate guard at Yuma in 2004, everyone who wasn't PMO (which was the majority of us) had rifles or shotguns.
RE: I've always been terrified...  
Greg from LI : 6/30/2016 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13016052 BamaBlue said:
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by the thought that Air Force personnel have firearms. Brrrrrrrrrrrrrr.


Well, it's not many of them. In Uzbekistan, you could always tell the AF people because they wore civvies when not on duty. All of the Marines and soldiers on the base were armed, so we were always in uniform. AF personnel didn't have to stand posts in the towers, either, which was lame.

The AF security force was supposed to be guarding the flightline, but those fuckers slept in their Humvees all the time. One of our guys fucked with them once by taking a bar of soap and writing "SHHHHH-WE'RE SLEEPING" on their windshield. You couldn't really see it right away, but when it rained (as it often did there at that time of year), it would suds up on the letters.

Oddly enough, it was only at Karshi-Khanabad, not Iraq, where I carried a condition three weapon.
RE: but that's not an active shooter  
Moondawg : 6/30/2016 8:52 pm : link
In comment 13015819 Greg from LI said:
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Call and say "Hey, there's a few guys with rifles out here. Is something going on?" Saying the words "active shooter" is false and sends everyone into a panic.


I guess that "active shooter" is used the way that "semiautomatic gun" is used by people who don't understand what they are talking about.
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