From a football standpoint, who cares....
From a personal standpoint, shit - get it together. What a privilege playing QB in the NFL, winning the Heisman, living the dream. It's really sad seeing a guy fuck it all up like this.
An American Tragedy in process.....Can he possibly turn this around?
Bank on it.
Bank on it.
Unlikely.
Bank on it.
Pretty sure I'd bet a lot of money on this not happening. The Cowboys drafted Dak Prescott in the 4th round, and if Romo goes down, my guess is he or Kellen Moore start.
It may be hyperbolic, but I think the sentiment is spot on. This was the best (and most electrifying) college football player on the planet. He's an asshole, but how can it not be tragic to watch such potential self destruct?
And save me the bs about his measurable and ability not being enough for the NFL. This kid had the goods and could've been a star in the NFL if his head was screwed on right.
Jets DL not having Snacks and Sheldon is pretty significant.
the guy signed an 8.25M contract and is headed on a death spiral.
in perspective, this is not a tragedy by any definition.
it's a shame, it's wasted talent, but no, not by definition, tragic.
Was Ryan Leaf tragic? Jamarcus Russell tragic? who cares about his college track record.
Not enough cocaine in all of Canada to sate his appetite. His skill set would work in theory.
Also the CFL is brutal for the health of QBs, he would be broke in half within 4 weeks.
From a financial standpoint, the money will run out soon enough if he keeps up at this pace. The myth that his family is that independently wealthy is just that, a myth. His father recently came out and said that its difficult to wield any leverage over Johnny because Johnny has more wealth than he does. At some point I'd expect Johnny to want/need that NFL paycheck.
All of that being said, it's been interesting to hear a number of former teammates and professionals talk about how Manziel had/has the talent to succeed as an NFL quarterback. It may be too late but Manziel needs to get his head right.
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Freakin' hyperbole
It may be hyperbolic, but I think the sentiment is spot on. This was the best (and most electrifying) college football player on the planet. He's an asshole, but how can it not be tragic to watch such potential self destruct?
And save me the bs about his measurable and ability not being enough for the NFL. This kid had the goods and could've been a star in the NFL if his head was screwed on right.
I think it's more likely he dies than he gets clean and sober anytime soon. If he does accept help, there's still time to salvage his football career, but the clock is ticking.
Most guys in his position, who get their lives together too late to play football, have to live with the knowledge that they had a golden ticket and burned it. Manziel, at least, comes from money, he still has every advantage should he choose to go into business, or even just live a relatively normal life. But he's headed for a very low bottom or an early death at the rate he's going.
the guy signed an 8.25M contract and is headed on a death spiral.
in perspective, this is not a tragedy by any definition.
it's a shame, it's wasted talent, but no, not by definition, tragic.
Was Ryan Leaf tragic? Jamarcus Russell tragic? who cares about his college track record.
That's a better version of what I was going for, thx pjcas
Suspended 4 games? I doubt this guy really gives a shit.
Small, semi-athletic QB, with a mediocre arm, playing in a tricked-up college offense was never going to be a good NFL QB. Add in the off field activities, and this was a guaranteed wasted draft pick.
No tragedy here. Just a mistake by the Browns. Move on.
Tebow - Klingler - Ware - Manziel.....at least the other guys had moments that made them look like they belonged.
Bank on it.
All kidding aside, I can see that happening. The Manziel Show by Jerry Jones as a consolation prize for another lost season.
A fool and his money...
He can be considered an American Tragedy for sure. The guy played his ass off in high school and then college as his team's starting QB. Then he won the highly coveted Heisman Trophy. Then he did the near impossible: He became a frist round draft pick in the NFL.
He arrived. He achieved what is the American Dream for so many athletes. Then he crashed and burned and eventually died of a drug overdose.
Yeah, it's really sad. He climbed to a great height and fell far and fast.
Small, semi-athletic QB, with a mediocre arm, playing in a tricked-up college offense was never going to be a good NFL QB. Add in the off field activities, and this was a guaranteed wasted draft pick.
No tragedy here. Just a mistake by the Browns. Move on.
Tebow - Klingler - Ware - Manziel.....at least the other guys had moments that made them look like they belonged.
My exact thoughts........never understood the hype.
in my world a tragedy is not normally self-inflicted. a terrorist attack where innocents are killed, a family on vacation in a van hit by a drunk driver and killed, a natural disaster like Katrina and things like that are considered tragedies.
Johnny Manziel squandering his potential professional football career, even if it results in his death <> tragedy in my world.
The guy is obviously doing what he wants to do with his life right now. He might feel that he's a success by not answering to anyone, banging models, traveling, partying, and doing whatever the hell he wants with plenty of money to spend along the way.
Yeah. Real tragic.
Haha. There it is! I was waiting patiently for it and Christmas indeed came early. Just what the Giants need. A fucking drinking, drugging, media target who can't play a lick of football at the professional level.
I'd rather have Charlie Ward or Tommie Frazier - now - for fuck sake.
And they were both better than Johnny Football.
Absolutely ... He's doing all this to himself ... that is no tragedy ... What happened to Chad Jones was a tragedy ... even though he was driving ... a freak accident not due to any malfeascance on his part ... 20 some operations and rehabs and training to attempt to get back into sports ... hard work every step ... I have no sympathy for Manziel ...
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to not have to worry about working.
A fool and his money...
You'd be surprised how quickly a coke head can burn through their money. He keeps it up and he'll be bankrupt by 30...if he lives that long
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to not have to worry about working.
A fool and his money...
You'd be surprised how quickly a coke head can burn through their money. He keeps it up and he'll be bankrupt by 30...if he lives that long
Isn't his dad a billionaire? Manziel has as much chance of going broke as Paris Hilton did during her wild years. Though Manziel seems to be headed off a cliff faster in terms of physical health.
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to not have to worry about working.
A fool and his money...
You'd be surprised how quickly a coke head can burn through their money. He keeps it up and he'll be bankrupt by 30...if he lives that long
Isn't his dad a billionaire? Manziel has as much chance of going broke as Paris Hilton did during her wild years. Though Manziel seems to be headed off a cliff faster in terms of physical health.
His family has money, too. Made a lot of the money in the oil business.
Johnny Manziel represents everything that's wrong with this country. By all measures he seems like a complete piece of shit, but still manages to live a lifestyle of privilege without consequence except for the occasional hangover. The only thing that is an "American tragedy” is that people actually feel compelled to be sympathetic towards him.
So many NFL players go broke. Not looking good for Manziel with respect to "cash management"
He said most people there worried if he would take the NFL seriously and change his lifestyle. There were serious doubts from those down there that he would change
Hamlet
Macbeth
Othello
King Lear
These are widely regarded as the four greatest tragedies ever written.
All were self-inflicted tragedies where the main character was a prominent figure that brought about his own demise.
Hamlet
Macbeth
Othello
King Lear
These are widely regarded as the four greatest tragedies ever written.
All were self-inflicted tragedies where the main character was a prominent figure that brought about his own demise.
I think you are confused about the definition of tragedy. See #1 and #2 below from Webster. #1 is the definition the OP had in mind. When someone writes a "tragic" play about Johnny Manziel than repost your thoughts.
He was an undersized QB who made plays and had a brash attitude. Hell, he wasn't nearly as successful as Tebow who the football world generally shits on.
And then since he's been in the NFL, he's had a poor work ethic, a great party ethic and has pretty much sucked.
it is no less tragic for a low level employee to lose a job due to addiction than it is for a top executive (or NFL QB)
it is not a privilege to play in the NFL. it takes a lot of hard work to get there. the more genetically gifted you are, the less work, but every player in the NFL puts in more labor than 99 % of us do in our career. it's a job. if you have the skillset and have put in the effort, you get hired. privilege has nothing to do with it.
I also surmise if he wasn't an addict he probably wouldn't be causing the same pain and fear to those close to him.
I also surmise if he wasn't an addict he'd be playing a decent brand of football, making his friends and family proud and entertaining a lot of folks.
set for life, even with heavy partying
I said it can't be true - he promised in mid June he was cutting it off July 1 and training for the season
Sad case. I could see how an arena league team would be interested though - personal health be damned, he might still sell an extra few tickets