NFT: Cubs and Mets game 1

Kelly Johnson is so much better than De Aza.

I'm excited to see Nimmo leading off..

hurt?

In comment 13016165 JayBinQueens said:

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hurt?

Granderson (calf) is not in the lineup Thursday against the Cubs, Adam Rubin of ESPN reports.
Granderson was a late scratch from Wednesday's lineup as he continued to feel the lingering effects of a slight calf strain and he'll get another day off Thursday. The 35-year-old was used as a pinch-hitter in Wednesday's contest though, so it appears as though the ailment is relatively minor and he figures to be available in a similar capacity Thursday. Brandon Nimmo will slide over to right field in his place, while Kelly Johnson will draw the start in left field.

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Lagares is back- he is awful

In comment 13016168 CMicks3110 said:

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Lagares is back- he is awful

yeah or even when Reyes is ready.

BINGHAMTON 13, ALTOONA 4: Jose Reyes went 1-for-4 with two RBIs and a run scored while logging eight innings at third base. Rehabbing Juan Lagares was 2-for-6 with a triple and two RBIs. He threw out a runner at the plate and played the full game in center field.

I think KJ should be there, veteran hitter with good plate discipline. D'Arnaud is a better hitter than this, and he needs to see hit-able pitches to get him back to where he needs to be. Other than that, I'm glad they put Nimmo at the top of the lineup. I've been impressed with his approach at the plate.

if this is the last we see of Matz this season.

.317 since he's been back.

until Wheeler is ready.

Montero smh.

In comment 13016202 ZGiants98 said:

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.317 since he's been back.

why doesn't he hit higher than 8th? He is not Rivera

should bat 5th or 6th.. He's a far more accomplished hitter than most of the other guys

has been such a disappointment...heard from a good source Mets offered TDA and Dom Smith for Lucroy and were laughed at.

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should bat 5th or 6th.. He's a far more accomplished hitter than most of the other guys

Agree.

is he is consistently average. You know what your going to get from him and it aint great. TDA's bat over 4 months last year was "special". Is he proven necessarily yet? No. Can he stay healthy for a season? Not yet. But at least there's a pretty good chance he offers more than the retreads we are throwing out there currently in the middle of the lineup.

In comment 13016262 ZGiants98 said:

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is he is consistently average. You know what your going to get from him and it aint great. TDA's bat over 4 months last year was "special". Is he proven necessarily yet? No. Can he stay healthy for a season? Not yet. But at least there's a pretty good chance he offers more than the retreads we are throwing out there currently in the middle of the lineup.

With his injury concerns, I think he ends up being more of a dh/c/1b option for an AL team... unless of course they make the DH league wide

Adam Rubin
ESPN Staff Writer


Here was Sandy Alderson's sobering language with respect to the trade deadline: "What I've said before is that there is no single acquisition, at least that I can see, that's going to change what's transpired over the last two months. It's going to have to come from within. There may be things that we can do that can improve the team. We've done various things over the last couple of months to try to improve the team. Certainly we'll be monitoring the market. But I don't believe right now that an acquisition is going to make a big difference for us. We get Juan Lagares back, [Jose] Reyes makes a contribution, who knows where little marginal improvements -- hitting with men in scoring position across the board -- those are the kinds of things that are going to make a difference over the next three months."

In comment 13016265 JayBinQueens said:

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In comment 13016262 ZGiants98 said: Quote: is he is consistently average. You know what your going to get from him and it aint great. TDA's bat over 4 months last year was "special". Is he proven necessarily yet? No. Can he stay healthy for a season? Not yet. But at least there's a pretty good chance he offers more than the retreads we are throwing out there currently in the middle of the lineup. With his injury concerns, I think he ends up being more of a dh/c/1b option for an AL team... unless of course they make the DH league wide

TDA? Maybe. His injuries have come mostly from non catching stuff though. Hit in the hand with a pitch.... Sliding awkwardly into home base.... Would happen if he's a DH or whatever. The shoulder may have been caused from throwing but it appears to be good now. We dodged a bullet there. TDA was actually considered a good catcher in the minors and somebody that was an "athlete". After watching Plawecki back there Im confident that TDA is the better catcher. Its also almost impossible to find offense at C so if there's even a chance he can stay healthy, Id prefer they left him there.

One acquisition isn't going to change this team.

We either need guys to get healthy, get guys to start performing up to their abilities, and start hitting with runners in scoring position, ect. or we are sunk. Mike Trout isn't fixing this team.

media is taking Sandy's quote wrong. Haha. Rubin posted the exact quote word for word. The media is taking his language to mean he won't be looking to acquire a player. Sandy isn't saying that at all. He is saying the BIGGEST change needs to come from within. Wow. What a bunch of morons.

Mike Puma ✔ @NYPost_Mets
Alderson says another 3-6 games for Reyes in the minors before he joins the Mets.

I also agree with Alderson. I said the same thing this morning. It's going to take a lot more than acquiring another bat to get this thing turned around. So many guys are out or ailing right now or just not performing. It's a lot to overcome.

Our entire season is going right down the tubes at warp speed. This sucks, man.

In comment 13016359 arcarsenal said:

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Our entire season is going right down the tubes at warp speed. This sucks, man.

At this point I just want to get to the all-star break in one piece and hopefully regroup. This is just a brutal stretch and we are just getting brained right now. I dont see anything getting better through this weekend. Hopefully we win a couple and the Marlins and Nats lose a couple. Best we can hope for.

It's tough. Just so frustrating. At least Matz kind of regrouped after the Bryant HR.

The Cubs lineup compared to ours is crazy though. There's such a big gap and we really don't even have a pitching advantage. Lackey's 3.29 ERA is the highest in the entire rotation. Lester and Arrieta have been brilliant and even Hendricks and Hammel have been pretty good.

credit for watching. I turned it on just to see what was going on to see the Cubs celebrating their HR, turned it right off. Too agravating for me.

Russell playing good defense Soler, Baez, and Russell have all pretty much been busts or at least haven't lived up to expectations yet. All of them are below average offensively. Pitchers like Hammel are playing WAY over their head. Actually the entire rotation is far exceeding career averages. Maybe its just their year. I dont know...

underperforming rather than being injured. I'm tired of the "injury" excuse. We have two starters that are on the DL. And both weren't very good when they went out. Most teams have dinged up players. We just collectively suck.

But the players love playing for Terry, so we have that.

That probably meant no Cespedes, though.. so it is what it is.

were wRC+ 130 guys last year. Im dying for Sandy to just add ONE guy like that to the lineup at the deadline. I mean Lucroy is a 125 guy currently. Somebody like Lucroy is probably helping this lineup and adding two Lucroys almost assuredly would. The rest of the lineup as banged up to. Granderson is out now, Lagares, Walker's been nicked up....

But you're right. The young stars heading in were Harvey, deGrom, Conforto.... Underperformance by players we were counting on isn't helping anything obviously either.

Its just one big compounded mess.

Duda, Wright and Lagares are all on the DL.. d'Arnaud missed 57 games, Flores missed like 15 games, Granderson is out of the lineup now and is "day to day", Syndergaard and Matz both have bone spurs, Wheeler had a setback.. but yeah, nobody has been hurt. Everyone's just underperforming.

Too bad two runs is like 787 with this lineup right now.

What I'm looking for with Matz is what happens around the 5th inning or so. Because we've seen this before where he's look pretty good for the first few innings and then he just loses it completely.

beyond underperforming and I do agree to some extent with PhiPsi which is to say, there's no rational way you could have counted on DW to put up big numbers, stay healthy or both and everyone knows Duda is the definition of inconsistent and he did have a brutal start to the season.

They're starting to look like the NY Football Giants during the injury riddled seasons ...down, apathetic, grasping at straws and lacking any real leadership. Someone needs to start tossing some chairs against the clubhouse walls or turning over tables! This club is lifeless and pathetic!

"big" numbers. Just do exactly what he was doing over the first couple months while he was here. Maybe strikeout a little less. Guy was hitting for pop. Had a .350 OBP. wRC+ 120 (133 last year) . People were all over him in April... I would kill for that kind of production at the top of the order again.... I was hoping we could baby him and Flores could fill in admirably. It didn't work out. Duda was the big blow though.

Cespedes is now the one guy in the lineup opposing teams won't let beat them. This team needs a power lefty threat protecting him in the worse way imaginable IMO.

Nimmo
Walker
Cespedes
Granderson
TDA
Cabrera

when they could.... I hate all these soft ass players in the middle right now...

In comment 13016394 arcarsenal said:

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Duda, Wright and Lagares are all on the DL.. d'Arnaud missed 57 games, Flores missed like 15 games, Granderson is out of the lineup now and is "day to day", Syndergaard and Matz both have bone spurs, Wheeler had a setback.. but yeah, nobody has been hurt. Everyone's just underperforming.

Did I say "nobody has been hurt"? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I didn't. But go on.

Wright? We've been through this. Most people would have been thrilled to be league average stuff and 100 games out of him. Underperforming before he went out.

Duda, aka the streakiest player in the history of baseball to everyone not named Zgiants....underperforming before he went out.

TdA...lol...don't even get me started. He hasn't proven shit yet.

Lagares is a part time player.

Syndergaard and Matz have been rolling the entire season until their last start or two. They have bone spurs that may not even be that significant and won't hurt their arm. Just some discomfort. I'm sure they are the only two pitchers in the league that have to deal with some discomfort...holy shit. Wheeler also had discomfort but is right back on schedule. But yeah, let's pretend like all their arms are falling off.

Yeah, the entire team is underperforming...as intimated by their GM...but keep leaning on that injury excuse. I'm sure if Duda and DW were back, they'd be really fucking good.

I think we can all acknowledge guys are underperforming AND we've been hit hard from injuries.

Ha this guy sucks

In comment 13016417 Rory said:

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Ha this guy sucks

Fuck off. Go back to being invisible and irrelevant.

In comment 13016418 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13016417 Rory said: Quote: Ha this guy sucks Fuck off. Go back to being invisible and irrelevant.

Lol , assclown fan

The guy comes out once a year... You guys all see what he does. Yeesh.

In comment 13016415 ZGiants98 said:

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I think we can all acknowledge guys are underperforming AND we've been hit hard from injuries.

It can be and certainly is. I'm just tired of the focus being on injuries when this team is just flat out underperforming. From the starters to the bench to the call-ups (that were raking before they got here). This is such an uninspired team that lacks leadership and at some point the manager and coaching staff need to be held to the fire. This team is WAY better than they've shown, even with the injuries.

Was meant for phi phill or whatever.

In comment 13016423 Rory said:

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Was meant for phi phill or whatever.

I dont see anything he was doing wrong... We are all frustrated... all voicing our frustrations...

And have zero contribution in the future

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In comment 13016418 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: In comment 13016417 Rory said: Quote: Ha this guy sucks Fuck off. Go back to being invisible and irrelevant. Lol , assclown fan

Always a pleasure when you come out not hiding, you fucking groundhog. Go back to your hidey hole. Nobody misses your brilliant commentary about how Terry Collins is the best manager ever. Dolt.

In comment 13016422 PhiPsi125 said:

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In comment 13016415 ZGiants98 said: Quote: I think we can all acknowledge guys are underperforming AND we've been hit hard from injuries. It can be and certainly is. I'm just tired of the focus being on injuries when this team is just flat out underperforming. From the starters to the bench to the call-ups (that were raking before they got here). This is such an uninspired team that lacks leadership and at some point the manager and coaching staff need to be held to the fire. This team is WAY better than they've shown, even with the injuries.

I can certainly agree with that then. Guys like Conforto and Harvey not performing, ect have definitely been a huge blow..

Im trying to not jump on Collins too much but its pretty clear to me this team HAS been going through the motions the last couple weeks. Its like they are waiting for somebody to come save them. Well. That person might not be coming.

In comment 13016430 spike said:

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And have zero contribution in the future

I think he retires in the offseason. He MIGHT give it one more go next year just to test his body out and see how it responded from the surgery but his time is really just about done IMO. I also no longer think he has ANY chance to make it back this year even to be added to the playoff bench.

In comment 13016420 ZGiants98 said:

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The guy comes out once a year... You guys all see what he does. Yeesh.

Sorry man, I kinda went off the rails today.

But this guy is a stain on society. Whatever, he'll disappear again soon.

Is no Zobrist lol

He looks like he belongs out there, and not just as a fourth outfielder

In comment 13016437 spike said:

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He looks like he belongs out there, and not just as a fourth outfielder

Im quietly optimistic. Do we have the time to be patient though? There's clearly an adjustment level. Very rarely do guys just jump out and are immediately good and even when they do (Conforto) they might still be due for a huge regression/slump when the league corrects itself. Its so frustrating. Our lineup is desperate for offense and we have 4-5 guys that are killing it in Vegas lol.

Phi.

Probably Harvey too. deGrom hasn't been as good as we thought but he hasn't been bad at all.

Who else is totally underperforming, though? I think Granderson pretty clearly overperformed last year.. I didn't expect him to repeat his 2015. He's basically doing what I thought he would. 25 HR pop.. low average, etc..

d'Arnaud hasn't really played enough to say he's underperforming but obviously he's got to be better.

Cespedes, Walker and Cabrera have all basically been what I thought they'd be. Ditto Lagares (before he got hurt)

It's definitely playing a role but so are the injuries. To say the injuries aren't making a difference right now is crazy. We won 13 of our last 15 games to close out April with a healthy team and closed the month on an 8 game winning streak. This team really hasn't looked the same since.

Matz!

Matz not taking shit from Lackey

next to their career averages the other day. I agree Granderson probably isn't the 130s guy he was last year but I was hoping for closer to his career average of 118 so I would certainly say he's one guy that's underperformed. For a leadoff hitter he hasn't been walking nearly enough either. Still, he's always been streaky. A hot 2 weeks would bring him right back up to his career averages which certainly could still happen. He's at 107 right now.

Give it right back to him

would have beat his ass. THAT's what this team needs to wake the fuck up. lol

Almost

Catch everything

Almost got to Lackey

Essentially, three players carried us through April offensively...Conforto, Walker, and Cespedes. Almost everyone else was pitiful. If Granderson was overperforming last year, then we are in trouble. The bench has been awful. Call ups have been bad. We literally can't even buy any help. Reyes comes to the Mets and goes 0 for 9 in the minors (I know, I know). But still.

I feel like every year we have the same conversation in regards to the team going through the motions and being stuck in an uninspired rut. Every damn year. Maybe there is something to that?

Sorry I came at you a bit today. Just particularly salty about the mets right now. My bad.

WTF. Guy can't even hit AA pitching?

No way we score 4 runs tonight

The pen

Successful outing given his elbow problems

The Mets just cannot string together enough hits

In comment 13016454 PhiPsi125 said:

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Essentially, three players carried us through April offensively...Conforto, Walker, and Cespedes. Almost everyone else was pitiful. If Granderson was overperforming last year, then we are in trouble. The bench has been awful. Call ups have been bad. We literally can't even buy any help. Reyes comes to the Mets and goes 0 for 9 in the minors (I know, I know). But still. I feel like every year we have the same conversation in regards to the team going through the motions and being stuck in an uninspired rut. Every damn year. Maybe there is something to that? Sorry I came at you a bit today. Just particularly salty about the mets right now. My bad.

It's cool, man. Everyone's just frustrated right now. It's really tough to watch this and it doesn't feel like there's any end in sight. After that similarly miserable offensive stretch last year, I think we all felt like that was gone for good and that we'd have a really solid, productive lineup this year.

It's almost hard to believe we're right back to watching an equally futile lineup day in and day out.. but here we are.

Why cant we play the Reds?

Kid battled tonight. I'm sure his elbow is really uncomfortable right now but he went out there and gave us what he could. Unfortunately we don't give any of our starters any run support so he has nothing to show for it.

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Why cant we play the Reds?

We would be swept by them

Goeddel has quietly been very good since he's been back too. I thought Henderson was a nice pickup but Goeddel has actually been better so far. No drop-off thats for sure.

Thanks Ces.

but its kind of crazy...

We have the third highest hard hit ball percentage in the MLB (1st in NL), but also have the 2nd lowest BABIP.


So not only have we been hit by injuries and have had a bunch of guys underperform or disappoint BUT.... we have also been one of the most unluckiest teams in baseball too. lol

What about Degrom or Syndergaard or Reynolds?

Gapper here!

Kid

I know how this is ending.

Ugh.

Kid

Can we fucking tie this thing?

Hell of a nice atbat by both ADA and NImmo.

Single gives us the lead.

Don't need to be greedy!

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A sac fly

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Always has a smile on his face

HAHA!

I like this kid a lot.

Insurance runs

That shouldve been a double

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That shouldve been a double

BABIP!

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One more Reed. Come on.

Bullpen

in Familia for the 4 out save

Go to Blevins...

Strikes

Whooooo!

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Heyward has suuuuuuuucked. And makes 4 times as much. lol

Insurance runs!

Going to the same spot for the CF

Cahill looks like a dude you'd find neck deep in a Golden Corral buffet.

Mets batters are in a hurry to go home

Keep the streak going!

Zobrist, Bryant, Rizzo all looking to jack one

In comment 13016561 spike said:

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Zobrist, Bryant, Rizzo all looking to jack one

"The Big 3"

Familia

Here we go.

Walk the leadoff hitter before the heart of the order? UGH.

Wtf is that

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We are fucked. Unbelievable.

Argh

would love, or hate, to see what the oppositions BA is against the pitching staff with an 0 - 2 count. How God awful have they been?!

And set up the dp

I'd walk Rizzo and hope for a DP

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Of the WS

Can he really get out of this?!

One more!

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The Mets win!
The Mets win!

PIITB!

Jeurys Houdini!

That would have been it for me if they had thrown that one away.

I don't know how he does it. But boy do I love him.

This is the kind of win that can be a turning point and change everything.... we need it to be in the worst way.

Both with the Houdini reference...

Good stuff.

He really is, though. It's incredible that he's got this streak going. It's almost unfathomable to think he hasn't blown one yet this year considering all the jams he's put himself in.

needed this win, great post-game interview with Nimmo. Seems like such a good kid.

this will be a season changing win

Great job Brandon! He is a great young man. Great character. Familia!

to play the Marlins tough too. Up 6-3 in the 7th.

has been terrific since the call up also

last night. To come back like that against the best team in MLB (so far!) in front of a big crowd with the team in a tailspin was huge.

deGrom up next tonight!

Can we get deGrom some fucking run support? When was the last time we scored a run for this guy?

In comment 13017057 arcarsenal said:

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Can we get deGrom some fucking run support? When was the last time we scored a run for this guy?

April, feels like.

In comment 13017057 arcarsenal said:

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Can we get deGrom some fucking run support? When was the last time we scored a run for this guy?

its going to be tough going against the best rotation in baseball (Cubs)