that has dealt with quite a bit of injury in the last few years.
However this team unquestionably would have a TON of talent, great character and tremendous balance. Further the top four players will all be under the age of 32.
Frontcourt:
C/PF
2 Mobile shot altering defenders- KP and Noah
2 excellent passing bigs- KP and Noah
1 very promising rookie which reports indicate is quite developed offensively (needs work on D)- Hernangomez
1 Big who can handle the more rugged PFs and C's- Noah
SF
An excellent mid range and decent 3 pt shooter who can take over games at times and also create his own shot-Melo
Backcourt:
PG
An excellent slashing PG who can create off the dribble and create open shots for his teammates with how much a Defense has to collapse off him.- Rose
SG
A career 38% 3 pt FG sharpshooter who can create his own shot who is an underrated defender. An excellent complement to Rose.- Eric Gordon
Bench:
Lance Thomas- good 3 and D guy with defensive versarility to guard some 2,3 and 4's
Galloway -good defender at the 1 and 2 spot and can hit the 3 when called upon.
Coach:
Lastly a new coach that by all accounts should be adept at creating an offensive system to fit the talents of his players and create excellent ball movement,spacing and open shots.
There is certainly risks here but this is a team that at the very least can give us legitimate hope and optimism heading into the season that they can contend in the weak Eastern Conference.
And if guys stay relatively healthy make a deep run in the playoffs and possibly the ECF.
Having a guy that can defend on the perimeter is worth his weight in gold in today's NBA. Add in the fact that he can hit the three ball is perfect for this team. He also isn't a walking wounded player like Wade or Gordon.
Now, lets say we get Lee, is there any possibility to get Gordon too? I read something that said it is possible but I don't see how.
Do we not have details on Noah's contract yet? Are the Knicks holding off to try & prevent punishment for tampering? Are they holding off to try & make other salaries fit?
Do we not have details on Noah's contract yet? Are the Knicks holding off to try & prevent punishment for tampering? Are they holding off to try & make other salaries fit?
if meaningful, could be actually working in the Knicks favor, not against them. If they've already reached a general agreement and are waiting to announce terms for a specific reason it's most likely because they're trying to work on something behind the scenes with another player(s), trying to have the contract pieces fit together better.
regarding fitting the 2nd player such as Gordon or Lee with our remaining cap space.
They might be discussing dropping the 1st year a little lower to allow to sign EG or CL and then giving him higher or the maximum allowable increases each successive year.
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Knicks and Joakim Noah have officially agreed on a 4 year $72 million deal after meeting in Orlando tonight http://es.pn/29iLUX3
10:39 PM - 1 Jul 2016
Wade pissed at the Heat's offer to him. As he should be considering he's taken many pay cuts & been extremely loyal to them. This is from Woj
Quote:
The Heat's initial offer of $10 million annually - which would've constituted a 50 percent pay cut from his $20 million 2015-16 salary - deeply angered Wade, league sources told The Vertical. Even with the Heat planning to counter to a higher figure, league sources said, Wade has been insistent on starting to explore the market and meet with teams once he returns from an overseas vacation, league sources said.
Bazemore turned down 4 years 72 million from the Lakers. One of the best franchises in sports history to accept less money from the fucking Atlanta Hawks.
I've never seen Wade not give it 110%. He's played through injuries. In my opinion he's right there with Joakim when it comes to laying it all on the court. I've never really liked Wade either, but I could never say he doesn't give it his all.
And the Knicks likely to lock in Lee or Gordon to 4 year contracts. It stinks to know that we are prob at least another decade a way from competing for a championship. We will only have $20 million available next year assuming they don't go over the cap to sign Galloway and Thomas. So any dreams that Lebron really wants to play for Knicks one day is over. Also the hope of signing a max guy next year in the greatest free agent class ever is over leaving us with a probable over pay of rose next year. If healthy next year they will be entertaining and should be a 3-6 seed in the east, but the reality is they aren't winning anything serious.
I wish phil would have gone to melo and said that he wanted to rebuild and forced melo to accept trade to pickup some 2017 picks to begin the rebuild. Would have had our own likely lottery pick as well as whoever we traded melo to and the ability to pay for nearly 3 max guys in 2017bto play with porzingis and future picks. Now we Weill be stuck with picks in the 15-22 range for the next few years, which stinks.
Whatever happened to many BBI Knick fans expecting Durant..
That no-trade clause for Melo turned out to be a real blunder. Sad that our roster is still so barren that we have to spend like crazy just to field a team. And, yes, it will sting next summer when Westbrook is doing his FA tour and we can't even get in the game.
Remember, we also need a backup PG and a backup SF
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According to sources, a trade that's been pondered in recent days featured Hawks forward Paul Millsap and collection of picks owned by Suns.
Porzingis improved on staying out of foul trouble but do you really want Hernangomez as your next big in the game? We need another warm body that can defend at the 5. I am fine with playing small ball with Porzingis at the 5 but we have to have options because it can be easy for teams to get us out of that lineup.
I'll tell you what it was: REALITY. You guys crack me up. You are still living the fantasy of sucking and then somehow attracting a player of the caliber of Westbrook to even look at us. Have you learned nothing from the past 6 years? We are now at the point where the superstars aren't even to the point of laughing at us. THEY DON"T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE OUR EXISTENCE. We have to return to the NBA map to even have a chance. Phil rightfully realizes that we have to become relevant to attract the elite free agents. For those of you lamenting that we won't contend for a title for the next 10 years, what exactly is the path to doing that? tank for 3 years straight hoping that #1 we are lucky enough to get the #1 pick(and not drop from 2-4 like last year and #2 have the player available at #1 be a franchise changer when it has a much better opportunity of being Emeka Okafor or Anthony Bennett. Listen I'm not drop dead in lover with Rose or Noah, but if they can help us win 45 games and be a playoff team again I'm all for it. Then you can free up enough $ for a max guy next year and go from there. At least if we are a playoff team the stars will give us the time of day. This plan may not work but it sure as hell beats winning 30 games a year and hoping...because thats a long long road to tile contention.
RE: As discussed earlier, something caused Phil to drastically change
Hornacek mainly changed Phil's tune. Hornacek said get him some good players he wants to a competitive team. Hornacek also doesn't view Melo's career arc like most of BBI. He feels Melo has several good years left to chase championships. Which I agree with. Melo is only 32 yrs old not 42. Hornacek and the core of those Jazz teams were chasing championships well into their 30s (36/37 yrs old).
And Phil as stated very recently, "Whats so great about the East?"
Is because you figure 4 years of these bad contracts end, hopefully not dumb enough to resign melo after his expires. Then you are starting all over with just porzingis and whoever we get in the drafts of we actually keep the picks. It's just such a poorly run organization I have to think with consistency have poorly run the organization is no matter who the gm is, that Dolan is all over this. The gm changes but the same stupid moves take place so it has to be Dolan. That no trade clause for melo was flat out moronic and has basically set the franchise back 5-10 years. They could have done this right if melo didn't have the no trade clause.
I never thought I'd live to see the Lakers in such disarray. Spending a fortune on Mozgov, getting turned down by the likes of Bazemore...and their young talent's a bit overrated, too. If Ingram's not a franchise player, look out...
I never thought I'd live to see the Lakers in such disarray. Spending a fortune on Mozgov, getting turned down by the likes of Bazemore...and their young talent's a bit overrated, too. If Ingram's not a franchise player, look out...
You never thought you'd love it?
I've been waiting for the Lakers to be in disarray since I started watching sports. It's fucking great.
Live, meaning it didn't seem like it would happen in my lifetime.
#1 when was the last time a franchise traded a star like Melo and it lead to them being a title contender in 5-10 years? TWolves trading Garnett? Denver trading Melo? What package are they getting for Melo? multiple #1's? great so you are dealing him to a title contender and getting their shitty #1's. The bottom line is I counted. It takes a lot to come together and a lot of stars to align to make a team a title contender. How about this:
Rose is not an MVP but plays 60-65 games at the level he finished last year at. Noah gives us 65 games at normal Noah type stuff. We sign a decent 2 guard and make the playoffs. We Then have a near max or max slot for next year free agency. Thats a hell of a lot more plausible and more likely trip toward the upper tier of the East than tearing the whole thing down besides Porz and piling up #1's that end up being between #20-30 in the 1st rd.
RE: GMen the leaps you are making there are monumental
Phil just handed out one of the dumbest contracts in sports history to Joakim Noah.
A- The guy hasn't done shit in 2 years
B- Did anyone else actually want him?
I didn't think trading RoLo was a big deal, but at least I remember when he was good (he still is). Who the fuck were they bidding against for Noah? Smh.
Phil just handed out one of the dumbest contracts in sports history to Joakim Noah.
A- The guy hasn't done shit in 2 years
B- Did anyone else actually want him?
I didn't think trading RoLo was a big deal, but at least I remember when he was good (he still is). Who the fuck were they bidding against for Noah? Smh.
Many teams wanted Noah. They were immediately rebuffed by the player. This has been well documented. He wanted to be a Knick.
RE: I pray there's some option or protection for the team... otherwise,
Phil just handed out one of the dumbest contracts in sports history to Joakim Noah.
A- The guy hasn't done shit in 2 years
B- Did anyone else actually want him?
I didn't think trading RoLo was a big deal, but at least I remember when he was good (he still is). Who the fuck were they bidding against for Noah? Smh.
Am I the only one who thought Robin looked like sideshow Bob with a worse low post game? His low post was good for four points or so a game. He rebounded by default (everyone else was on the perimeter), he had horrendous hands, couldn't and didn't finish strong, looked surprised when he hit a jumper, never played D with his hands up, couldn't block shots, wasn't a rim protector, was Brook Lopez without the shot blocking ability....
Why are people mad we get it rid of him? He was terrible other than just being tall. If we were going to have a guy with no O game, I'd rather a big D goon who bodied up, protected the rim and grabbed boards....where's Dale and Antonio Davis when you need them?
Sources: Dwyane Wade fielding $20 million-a-year offers. Four teams pursuing him.
Wade
Big big congrats to @youngwhiteside Your dedication and hard work to the game has finally paid off..#Caniborrow5dollars
Seems interesting in light of rumors about him being upset over the contract and rumors of Whiteside immaturity in Miami
However this team unquestionably would have a TON of talent, great character and tremendous balance. Further the top four players will all be under the age of 32.
Frontcourt:
C/PF
2 Mobile shot altering defenders- KP and Noah
2 excellent passing bigs- KP and Noah
1 very promising rookie which reports indicate is quite developed offensively (needs work on D)- Hernangomez
1 Big who can handle the more rugged PFs and C's- Noah
SF
An excellent mid range and decent 3 pt shooter who can take over games at times and also create his own shot-Melo
Backcourt:
PG
An excellent slashing PG who can create off the dribble and create open shots for his teammates with how much a Defense has to collapse off him.- Rose
SG
A career 38% 3 pt FG sharpshooter who can create his own shot who is an underrated defender. An excellent complement to Rose.- Eric Gordon
Bench:
Lance Thomas- good 3 and D guy with defensive versarility to guard some 2,3 and 4's
Galloway -good defender at the 1 and 2 spot and can hit the 3 when called upon.
Coach:
Lastly a new coach that by all accounts should be adept at creating an offensive system to fit the talents of his players and create excellent ball movement,spacing and open shots.
There is certainly risks here but this is a team that at the very least can give us legitimate hope and optimism heading into the season that they can contend in the weak Eastern Conference.
And if guys stay relatively healthy make a deep run in the playoffs and possibly the ECF.
Sources: Dwyane Wade fielding $20 million-a-year offers. Four teams pursuing him.
And the Knicks are not one of those 4 teams...
Now, lets say we get Lee, is there any possibility to get Gordon too? I read something that said it is possible but I don't see how.
Gotta be the latter.
if meaningful, could be actually working in the Knicks favor, not against them. If they've already reached a general agreement and are waiting to announce terms for a specific reason it's most likely because they're trying to work on something behind the scenes with another player(s), trying to have the contract pieces fit together better.
17-18-17.1 mill
18-19-17.9 mill
19-20-18.6 mill
from Bobby Marks
8m8 minutes ago
Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman
#Knicks meeting with Noah at posh resort hotel on Disney grounds tonight is at three-hour mark.
They might be discussing dropping the 1st year a little lower to allow to sign EG or CL and then giving him higher or the maximum allowable increases each successive year.
17-18-17.1 mill
18-19-17.9 mill
19-20-18.6 mill
from Bobby Marks
That cannot be accurate since it was just reported as a 4 year deal worth $72 mil.
Knicks and Joakim Noah have officially agreed on a 4 year $72 million deal after meeting in Orlando tonight http://es.pn/29iLUX3
10:39 PM - 1 Jul 2016
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Lol!
I wish phil would have gone to melo and said that he wanted to rebuild and forced melo to accept trade to pickup some 2017 picks to begin the rebuild. Would have had our own likely lottery pick as well as whoever we traded melo to and the ability to pay for nearly 3 max guys in 2017bto play with porzingis and future picks. Now we Weill be stuck with picks in the 15-22 range for the next few years, which stinks.
PG - Rose, X
SG - X, Holiday, Baker
SF - Melo, X, Labeyrie
PF - Porzingis, KOQ
C - Noah, Hernangomez
@ChrisBHaynes
According to sources, a trade that's been pondered in recent days featured Hawks forward Paul Millsap and collection of picks owned by Suns.
True
He sounds like he'd be a great fit for this style of basketball. Too bad.
I'll tell you what it was: REALITY. You guys crack me up. You are still living the fantasy of sucking and then somehow attracting a player of the caliber of Westbrook to even look at us. Have you learned nothing from the past 6 years? We are now at the point where the superstars aren't even to the point of laughing at us. THEY DON"T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE OUR EXISTENCE. We have to return to the NBA map to even have a chance. Phil rightfully realizes that we have to become relevant to attract the elite free agents. For those of you lamenting that we won't contend for a title for the next 10 years, what exactly is the path to doing that? tank for 3 years straight hoping that #1 we are lucky enough to get the #1 pick(and not drop from 2-4 like last year and #2 have the player available at #1 be a franchise changer when it has a much better opportunity of being Emeka Okafor or Anthony Bennett. Listen I'm not drop dead in lover with Rose or Noah, but if they can help us win 45 games and be a playoff team again I'm all for it. Then you can free up enough $ for a max guy next year and go from there. At least if we are a playoff team the stars will give us the time of day. This plan may not work but it sure as hell beats winning 30 games a year and hoping...because thats a long long road to tile contention.
Hornacek mainly changed Phil's tune. Hornacek said get him some good players he wants to a competitive team. Hornacek also doesn't view Melo's career arc like most of BBI. He feels Melo has several good years left to chase championships. Which I agree with. Melo is only 32 yrs old not 42. Hornacek and the core of those Jazz teams were chasing championships well into their 30s (36/37 yrs old).
And Phil as stated very recently, "Whats so great about the East?"
You never thought you'd love it?
I've been waiting for the Lakers to be in disarray since I started watching sports. It's fucking great.
Rose is not an MVP but plays 60-65 games at the level he finished last year at. Noah gives us 65 games at normal Noah type stuff. We sign a decent 2 guard and make the playoffs. We Then have a near max or max slot for next year free agency. Thats a hell of a lot more plausible and more likely trip toward the upper tier of the East than tearing the whole thing down besides Porz and piling up #1's that end up being between #20-30 in the 1st rd.
The max slot next year is possible with the Noah deal and what we're going to have to shell out for a "decent" 2 guard?
What's with the constant hashtags? #douche
Quote:
Raptors looking to snipe Meyers Leonard? Get in there Phil, Crabbe! #Knicks
What's with the constant hashtags? #douche
#GetOffMyLawn
A- The guy hasn't done shit in 2 years
B- Did anyone else actually want him?
I didn't think trading RoLo was a big deal, but at least I remember when he was good (he still is). Who the fuck were they bidding against for Noah? Smh.
Quote:
Raptors looking to snipe Meyers Leonard? Get in there Phil, Crabbe! #Knicks
What's with the constant hashtags? #douche
#Relax
A- The guy hasn't done shit in 2 years
B- Did anyone else actually want him?
I didn't think trading RoLo was a big deal, but at least I remember when he was good (he still is). Who the fuck were they bidding against for Noah? Smh.
Many teams wanted Noah. They were immediately rebuffed by the player. This has been well documented. He wanted to be a Knick.
A- The guy hasn't done shit in 2 years
B- Did anyone else actually want him?
I didn't think trading RoLo was a big deal, but at least I remember when he was good (he still is). Who the fuck were they bidding against for Noah? Smh.
Am I the only one who thought Robin looked like sideshow Bob with a worse low post game? His low post was good for four points or so a game. He rebounded by default (everyone else was on the perimeter), he had horrendous hands, couldn't and didn't finish strong, looked surprised when he hit a jumper, never played D with his hands up, couldn't block shots, wasn't a rim protector, was Brook Lopez without the shot blocking ability....
Why are people mad we get it rid of him? He was terrible other than just being tall. If we were going to have a guy with no O game, I'd rather a big D goon who bodied up, protected the rim and grabbed boards....where's Dale and Antonio Davis when you need them?