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Sources: Clippers officials met with Austin Rivers Thursday in Orlando, and Rivers is expected to talk with Knicks, possibly Portland Friday
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Vertical Sources: Joakim Noah and the New York Knicks are in discussions on the framework of a deal in range of four years, $70M-plus.
Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA
Courtney Lee's first call after free agency started was from the New York Knicks. Phil Jackson called him, according to league source.
RE: I wonder if there will be options in the middle of the deal
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As others reported, the Joakim Noah-to-NY storyline continues. Looking like a four-year, $72 mil deal, assuming meeting goes well tomorrow.
Sam Amick @sam_amick
The Joakim Noah-to-NY deal isn't done, but I'm told the fourth year of the $72 mil deal - as currently discussed - would be guaranteed.
Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.
Give a breakdown of Courtney Lee's game? I'm very unfamiliar with him.
More a less a guy who shoots 3s and guards 1s and 2s pretty damn well. Not much outside of it but sticks to the two things he does well. Kinda too small to play the 3.
He's known to be a good finisher as well but I think that part of his game has eroded over the last few years. Or a change in role perhaps.
Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what saving cap space really does for us. Unless they really think they can get Westbrook. Otherwise there's not much reason to save it if they have faith that rose will be the PG for the long term
Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.
The cap is going to jump again to 110 million and then may jump again..
Don't look at the number, look at the percentage of the cap and the starting salary will be less than lopez...
Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what saving cap space really does for us. Unless they really think they can get Westbrook. Otherwise there's not much reason to save it if they have faith that rose will be the PG for the long term
I think this is the plan, both Phil and hornacek talked like they had a big 3 and we're looking for pieces to surround them..
Phil basically said they want rose long term as long as he stays healthy this year
Spending money, I mind soending it on older, injured players. Its more of the same. Im not saying that they need to save the cap money for next year, I just dont see the point of dumping Lopez for one year of Rose when we go out and spend all the money we would have saved in the next few years on an older player coming off of a significant injury.
Its not the money, its the years and the fact that the Knicks continue making the same mistakes bringing in post-prime players for big bucks hoping things will get better.
It isn't dumping the salary it's moving a player with low ceiling who's replaceable for the potential of rose. If rose doesn't work out then you don't resign him and have a ton of cap space. It's a win win. Noah's deal isn't far off from what Lopez got. Paying Noah 17 a year is pretty similar to what Lopez got based on the salary cap rising. Noah, when healthy, is a better fit than Lopez for what the Knicks want to do. He's a great passer and a better on ball defender. You also can't discount the experience he has playing alongside rose.
It isn't dumping the salary it's moving a player with low ceiling who's replaceable for the potential of rose. If rose doesn't work out then you don't resign him and have a ton of cap space. It's a win win. Noah's deal isn't far off from what Lopez got. Paying Noah 17 a year is pretty similar to what Lopez got based on the salary cap rising. Noah, when healthy, is a better fit than Lopez for what the Knicks want to do. He's a great passer and a better on ball defender. You also can't discount the experience he has playing alongside rose.
When a description has to be prefaced with "when healthy" that doesn't insight confidence in me. I am an enormous Supporter of Phil. I have liked more of the moves he made than most, particularly because he has shown patience. But Noah is 31, coming off of a significant injury and a four year deal is just spending foolishly because the Cap is going up. 35 year old Noah making 18 mil is not going to help this team. I dont like the investment and I dont care that that one contract wont destroy the frnchise, it is still significant enough despite any rise in the cap.
I liked the move to dump Lopez for Rose because I thought we may invest the money saved wisely. Spending it on a player who is years older than Lopez, hasn't played a full season in two years and will be signing a four year deal is not spending it wisely. I dont expect either player to make it through this season.
As we see with Parsons/Beal getting the max & Mozgov getting 16.5 million you really aren't able to spend the money wisely. We have to put together a team.
We haven't been able to sign star free agents for years so why would that change with cap space next year? Especially if we continue to be a shitty team. The Knicks have to win games for us to have any shot at getting a guy like Westbrook. Noah is a far better player then Mozgov. What are we going to do sign guys like Mozgov to win the same amount of games as we did last year? Then next summer we are in the same place as befote. Nobody wants to play for a 32 win team, but if Rose & Noah plus a guy like Lee/Gordon can get us to 45-50 wins we might be able to lure a big name free agent to NY.
We have to make good depth signings. That's going to be vital to our success. In my opinion a starting 5 of Rose/Lee(Gordon)/Melo/KP/Noah is much better then Calderon/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Lopez
Can't disagree with that. Your right. It's a huge gamble on a guy who isn't healthy but the best news is that Noah's injuries are not to his lower body and for a big to have solid legs/knees/feet is huge. He can come back from shoulder issues. Your definitely correct though in regard to giving big money to older players but look at what is happening. Mozgov getting bucks. Gasol highly sought after. I think Noah is one of the better free agent bigs out there, not to mention Dwight looking for 22 million. It's comical. Noah seems like a steal compared to what the market is dictating. Time will tell, we shall see who the starting 2 guard will be. I'm hoping lee buys into what Phil is selling and our lineup all of a sudden looks like a top 3-4 team in the east pending bench signings. Hopefully we retain Galloway, Thomas bring back Williams and sign Crawford as the 6th man. Things will look a lot brighter for the Knicks.
I'm very happy about Noah. I really think he will drive in New York. Unlike Whiteside & Dwight we know Joakim will give it 110% every game. I'm so excited to root for Joakim. He's probably the nicest guy in the NBA off the court. I just hope he returns to his DPOY form.
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Sources: Clippers officials met with Austin Rivers Thursday in Orlando, and Rivers is expected to talk with Knicks, possibly Portland Friday
Vertical Sources: Joakim Noah and the New York Knicks are in discussions on the framework of a deal in range of four years, $70M-plus.
Fuck.
Fuck.
Woj also said 3 years 36 for afflalo before it was agreed to, don't freak out yet
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Is gonna be In the range of 4 years $70M plus.
Fuck.
Woj also said 3 years 36 for afflalo before it was agreed to, don't freak out yet
Have a bad feeling about this one. How often is he wrong?
Courtney Lee's first call after free agency started was from the New York Knicks. Phil Jackson called him, according to league source.
I sure hope so.
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Is gonna be In the range of 4 years $70M plus.
Fuck.
Woj also said 3 years 36 for afflalo before it was agreed to, don't freak out yet
Have a bad feeling about this one. How often is he wrong?
When it comes to the knicks he has been wrong a few times
An hour ago it was 3 years at 52 million. Now it's 4 years at 70 million. I'd have to think we include a team option in one of the first two years.
The 1 year deal we have Rose on suddenly looks like a bargain lol
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The 1 year deal we have Rose on suddenly looks like a bargain lol
I think the opposite. I wish we had rose on his deal for 3 more years.
Next year is gonna be real awful.
Money is just going to crazier...
I'm pissing my pants. Lakers fans miserable makes me so damn happy.
As others reported, the Joakim Noah-to-NY storyline continues. Looking like a four-year, $72 mil deal, assuming meeting goes well tomorrow.
I'm pissing my pants. Lakers fans miserable makes me so damn happy.
I actually got scared that they would land Derozan and dominoes would start falling.
Lol I was wrong.
.@ShamsCharania: Courtney Lee set to meet with Knicks on Friday morning.
Don't like the contract but it's a good fit.
Sam Amick @sam_amick
The Joakim Noah-to-NY deal isn't done, but I'm told the fourth year of the $72 mil deal - as currently discussed - would be guaranteed.
More a less a guy who shoots 3s and guards 1s and 2s pretty damn well. Not much outside of it but sticks to the two things he does well. Kinda too small to play the 3.
He's known to be a good finisher as well but I think that part of his game has eroded over the last few years. Or a change in role perhaps.
3 and d type of player, 40% 3 point shooter great fit next to rose and melo...
Will knock down that open 3 he will get a lot of off Melo doubles and rose drives...
A starting to of rose lee Melo kp noah if healthy will mesh very well in my opinion
I'm having a hard time figuring out what saving cap space really does for us. Unless they really think they can get Westbrook. Otherwise there's not much reason to save it if they have faith that rose will be the PG for the long term
The cap is going to jump again to 110 million and then may jump again..
Don't look at the number, look at the percentage of the cap and the starting salary will be less than lopez...
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Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what saving cap space really does for us. Unless they really think they can get Westbrook. Otherwise there's not much reason to save it if they have faith that rose will be the PG for the long term
I think this is the plan, both Phil and hornacek talked like they had a big 3 and we're looking for pieces to surround them..
Phil basically said they want rose long term as long as he stays healthy this year
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Give a breakdown of Courtney Lee's game? I'm very unfamiliar with him.
3 and d type of player, 40% 3 point shooter great fit next to rose and melo...
Will knock down that open 3 he will get a lot of off Melo doubles and rose drives...
A starting to of rose lee Melo kp noah if healthy will mesh very well in my opinion
Thanks man.
Its not the money, its the years and the fact that the Knicks continue making the same mistakes bringing in post-prime players for big bucks hoping things will get better.
OKC, MIN, ATL were among teams who contacted Lance Thomas. Galloway also heard from several teams.
Report: Warriors, Knicks, Spurs, Blazers among teams pursuing Pau Gasol
OKC, MIN, ATL were among teams who contacted Lance Thomas. Galloway also heard from several teams.
It seems like Hahn was right about the Knicks not being that interested in bringing back Galloaway.
When a description has to be prefaced with "when healthy" that doesn't insight confidence in me. I am an enormous Supporter of Phil. I have liked more of the moves he made than most, particularly because he has shown patience. But Noah is 31, coming off of a significant injury and a four year deal is just spending foolishly because the Cap is going up. 35 year old Noah making 18 mil is not going to help this team. I dont like the investment and I dont care that that one contract wont destroy the frnchise, it is still significant enough despite any rise in the cap.
I liked the move to dump Lopez for Rose because I thought we may invest the money saved wisely. Spending it on a player who is years older than Lopez, hasn't played a full season in two years and will be signing a four year deal is not spending it wisely. I dont expect either player to make it through this season.
We haven't been able to sign star free agents for years so why would that change with cap space next year? Especially if we continue to be a shitty team. The Knicks have to win games for us to have any shot at getting a guy like Westbrook. Noah is a far better player then Mozgov. What are we going to do sign guys like Mozgov to win the same amount of games as we did last year? Then next summer we are in the same place as befote. Nobody wants to play for a 32 win team, but if Rose & Noah plus a guy like Lee/Gordon can get us to 45-50 wins we might be able to lure a big name free agent to NY.
We have to make good depth signings. That's going to be vital to our success. In my opinion a starting 5 of Rose/Lee(Gordon)/Melo/KP/Noah is much better then Calderon/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Lopez