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Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:04 am
Knicks are reportedly interested in a few players:

KD, Joakim Noah, Eric Gordon, Nic Batum, Courtney Lee, Evan Turner, Jamal Crawford, Jon Leuer...



We'll see what comes of it. Should be a fun and exciting day.
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Austin Rivers might talk to the Knicks  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:05 am : link
Adrian WojnarowskiVerified account
‏@WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Clippers officials met with Austin Rivers Thursday in Orlando, and Rivers is expected to talk with Knicks, possibly Portland Friday
SHAMSBOMB  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:08 am : link
Shams Charania ‏@ShamsCharania
Vertical Sources: Joakim Noah and the New York Knicks are in discussions on the framework of a deal in range of four years, $70M-plus.
Noah deal  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:08 am : link
Is gonna be In the range of 4 years $70M plus.

Fuck.
RE: Noah deal  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:09 am : link
In comment 13016683 giantsfan44ab said:
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Is gonna be In the range of 4 years $70M plus.

Fuck.


Woj also said 3 years 36 for afflalo before it was agreed to, don't freak out yet
From Nate Duncan  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:10 am : link
I wonder if there will be options in the middle of the deal  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:11 am : link
Maybe 3rd year partial guarantee and 4th year team option or something like that
RE: RE: Noah deal  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:12 am : link
In comment 13016685 nygiants16 said:
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Is gonna be In the range of 4 years $70M plus.

Fuck.



Woj also said 3 years 36 for afflalo before it was agreed to, don't freak out yet


Have a bad feeling about this one. How often is he wrong?
So the partial guarantee was bad info?  
Keith : 7/1/2016 12:12 am : link
Knicks fans are gonna freak out if that's legit. Big risk.
Looks like Baze will  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:13 am : link
Get $20M a year. Nvm then.
Phil calls Courtney Lee  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:13 am : link
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
Courtney Lee's first call after free agency started was from the New York Knicks. Phil Jackson called him, according to league source.
RE: I wonder if there will be options in the middle of the deal  
Keith : 7/1/2016 12:14 am : link
In comment 13016689 nygiants16 said:
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Maybe 3rd year partial guarantee and 4th year team option or something like that


I sure hope so.
After all the hype  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:14 am : link
of deals going off the charts at 12:01 there hasn't been any "official" agreements yet
Phil probably had to get up to pee anyway.  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2016 12:16 am : link
If that's four years guaranteed to Noah then Phil's really leaving a bag of shit on his successor's doorstep.
RE: RE: RE: Noah deal  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:17 am : link
In comment 13016690 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13016683 giantsfan44ab said:


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Is gonna be In the range of 4 years $70M plus.

Fuck.



Woj also said 3 years 36 for afflalo before it was agreed to, don't freak out yet



Have a bad feeling about this one. How often is he wrong?


When it comes to the knicks he has been wrong a few times
People are tearing Phil a new one on Twitter  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:20 am : link
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Which is dumb as fuck  
Big Rick in FL : 7/1/2016 12:25 am : link
Considering we have no idea on what the Noah deal looks like.

An hour ago it was 3 years at 52 million. Now it's 4 years at 70 million. I'd have to think we include a team option in one of the first two years.
Beal 5 years 133 million. With wizards  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:26 am : link
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RE: Beal 5 years 133 million. With wizards  
Lopes1984 : 7/1/2016 12:29 am : link
In comment 13016709 nygiants16 said:
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The 1 year deal we have Rose on suddenly looks like a bargain lol
Lakers and mozgov closing on 4 year deal  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:30 am : link
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RE: RE: Beal 5 years 133 million. With wizards  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:31 am : link
In comment 13016711 Lopes1984 said:
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The 1 year deal we have Rose on suddenly looks like a bargain lol


I think the opposite. I wish we had rose on his deal for 3 more years.

Next year is gonna be real awful.
Mozgov  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:39 am : link
$65M?!?!?!
RE: Mozgov  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:40 am : link
In comment 13016714 giantsfan44ab said:
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$65M?!?!?!


Money is just going to crazier...
my brother  
MookGiants : 7/1/2016 12:42 am : link
is literally losing his mind over the Mozgov deal.

I'm pissing my pants. Lakers fans miserable makes me so damn happy.
According to berman  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:51 am : link
Knicks reached out to Lee about starting SG and Austin rivers about back up point
BLAH  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:57 am : link
Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick
As others reported, the Joakim Noah-to-NY storyline continues. Looking like a four-year, $72 mil deal, assuming meeting goes well tomorrow.
RE: my brother  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 12:57 am : link
In comment 13016720 MookGiants said:
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is literally losing his mind over the Mozgov deal.

I'm pissing my pants. Lakers fans miserable makes me so damn happy.


I actually got scared that they would land Derozan and dominoes would start falling.

Lol I was wrong.
We're meeting with Courtney Lee  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 12:58 am : link
The Vertical ‏@TheVertical
.@ShamsCharania: Courtney Lee set to meet with Knicks on Friday morning.
If it is 4 years  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 12:59 am : link
Only saving grace is if it's a team option after 3...
Hoopshype  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 1:02 am : link
Blazers offering Parsons the max.

Don't like the contract but it's a good fit.
In my best Mark Jackson voice:  
bceagle05 : 7/1/2016 1:03 am : link
"C'mon Phil, you're better than that!"
Windbag on espn  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 1:06 am : link
Said 4th year will most likely be non guaranteed
RE: Windbag on espn  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 1:09 am : link
In comment 13016747 nygiants16 said:
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Said 4th year will most likely be non guaranteed


Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick
The Joakim Noah-to-NY deal isn't done, but I'm told the fourth year of the $72 mil deal - as currently discussed - would be guaranteed.
According to woj  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 1:12 am : link
Courtney lee is knicks number 1 target at shooting guard
Can anyone  
colin : 7/1/2016 1:13 am : link
Give a breakdown of Courtney Lee's game? I'm very unfamiliar with him.
I would prefer to  
NJGiantFan84 : 7/1/2016 1:14 am : link
Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.
RE: Can anyone  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 1:15 am : link
In comment 13016751 colin said:
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Give a breakdown of Courtney Lee's game? I'm very unfamiliar with him.


More a less a guy who shoots 3s and guards 1s and 2s pretty damn well. Not much outside of it but sticks to the two things he does well. Kinda too small to play the 3.

He's known to be a good finisher as well but I think that part of his game has eroded over the last few years. Or a change in role perhaps.
RE: Can anyone  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 1:16 am : link
In comment 13016751 colin said:
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Give a breakdown of Courtney Lee's game? I'm very unfamiliar with him.


3 and d type of player, 40% 3 point shooter great fit next to rose and melo...

Will knock down that open 3 he will get a lot of off Melo doubles and rose drives...

A starting to of rose lee Melo kp noah if healthy will mesh very well in my opinion
RE: I would prefer to  
giantsfan44ab : 7/1/2016 1:17 am : link
In comment 13016752 NJGiantFan84 said:
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Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.


I'm having a hard time figuring out what saving cap space really does for us. Unless they really think they can get Westbrook. Otherwise there's not much reason to save it if they have faith that rose will be the PG for the long term
RE: I would prefer to  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 1:18 am : link
In comment 13016752 NJGiantFan84 said:
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Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.


The cap is going to jump again to 110 million and then may jump again..

Don't look at the number, look at the percentage of the cap and the starting salary will be less than lopez...
RE: RE: I would prefer to  
nygiants16 : 7/1/2016 1:19 am : link
In comment 13016757 giantsfan44ab said:
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Literally do nothing significant in FA than to sign Noah to this deal. So we basically gave up Lopez for one year of Rose. I thought it was for the Cap Space but to spend that space on an aging replacement coming off of significant injuries makes little sense to me.



I'm having a hard time figuring out what saving cap space really does for us. Unless they really think they can get Westbrook. Otherwise there's not much reason to save it if they have faith that rose will be the PG for the long term


I think this is the plan, both Phil and hornacek talked like they had a big 3 and we're looking for pieces to surround them..

Phil basically said they want rose long term as long as he stays healthy this year
RE: RE: Can anyone  
colin : 7/1/2016 1:25 am : link
In comment 13016756 nygiants16 said:
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Give a breakdown of Courtney Lee's game? I'm very unfamiliar with him.



3 and d type of player, 40% 3 point shooter great fit next to rose and melo...

Will knock down that open 3 he will get a lot of off Melo doubles and rose drives...

A starting to of rose lee Melo kp noah if healthy will mesh very well in my opinion


Thanks man.
I dont mind  
NJGiantFan84 : 7/1/2016 1:29 am : link
Spending money, I mind soending it on older, injured players. Its more of the same. Im not saying that they need to save the cap money for next year, I just dont see the point of dumping Lopez for one year of Rose when we go out and spend all the money we would have saved in the next few years on an older player coming off of a significant injury.

Its not the money, its the years and the fact that the Knicks continue making the same mistakes bringing in post-prime players for big bucks hoping things will get better.

.  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 1:36 am : link
Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley
OKC, MIN, ATL were among teams who contacted Lance Thomas. Galloway also heard from several teams.
Njgiant  
Tuckrule : 7/1/2016 1:44 am : link
It isn't dumping the salary it's moving a player with low ceiling who's replaceable for the potential of rose. If rose doesn't work out then you don't resign him and have a ton of cap space. It's a win win. Noah's deal isn't far off from what Lopez got. Paying Noah 17 a year is pretty similar to what Lopez got based on the salary cap rising. Noah, when healthy, is a better fit than Lopez for what the Knicks want to do. He's a great passer and a better on ball defender. You also can't discount the experience he has playing alongside rose.
.  
Anakim : 7/1/2016 1:47 am : link
CBS Sports NBA ‏@CBSSportsNBA
Report: Warriors, Knicks, Spurs, Blazers among teams pursuing Pau Gasol
RE: .  
Mason : 7/1/2016 1:53 am : link
In comment 13016770 Anakim said:
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Ian Begley ‏@IanBegley
OKC, MIN, ATL were among teams who contacted Lance Thomas. Galloway also heard from several teams.


It seems like Hahn was right about the Knicks not being that interested in bringing back Galloaway.
RE: Njgiant  
NJGiantFan84 : 7/1/2016 1:55 am : link
In comment 13016772 Tuckrule said:
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It isn't dumping the salary it's moving a player with low ceiling who's replaceable for the potential of rose. If rose doesn't work out then you don't resign him and have a ton of cap space. It's a win win. Noah's deal isn't far off from what Lopez got. Paying Noah 17 a year is pretty similar to what Lopez got based on the salary cap rising. Noah, when healthy, is a better fit than Lopez for what the Knicks want to do. He's a great passer and a better on ball defender. You also can't discount the experience he has playing alongside rose.


When a description has to be prefaced with "when healthy" that doesn't insight confidence in me. I am an enormous Supporter of Phil. I have liked more of the moves he made than most, particularly because he has shown patience. But Noah is 31, coming off of a significant injury and a four year deal is just spending foolishly because the Cap is going up. 35 year old Noah making 18 mil is not going to help this team. I dont like the investment and I dont care that that one contract wont destroy the frnchise, it is still significant enough despite any rise in the cap.

I liked the move to dump Lopez for Rose because I thought we may invest the money saved wisely. Spending it on a player who is years older than Lopez, hasn't played a full season in two years and will be signing a four year deal is not spending it wisely. I dont expect either player to make it through this season.
NJGiantFan84  
Big Rick in FL : 7/1/2016 2:05 am : link
As we see with Parsons/Beal getting the max & Mozgov getting 16.5 million you really aren't able to spend the money wisely. We have to put together a team.

We haven't been able to sign star free agents for years so why would that change with cap space next year? Especially if we continue to be a shitty team. The Knicks have to win games for us to have any shot at getting a guy like Westbrook. Noah is a far better player then Mozgov. What are we going to do sign guys like Mozgov to win the same amount of games as we did last year? Then next summer we are in the same place as befote. Nobody wants to play for a 32 win team, but if Rose & Noah plus a guy like Lee/Gordon can get us to 45-50 wins we might be able to lure a big name free agent to NY.

We have to make good depth signings. That's going to be vital to our success. In my opinion a starting 5 of Rose/Lee(Gordon)/Melo/KP/Noah is much better then Calderon/Afflalo/Melo/KP/Lopez
Njgiants  
Tuckrule : 7/1/2016 2:11 am : link
Can't disagree with that. Your right. It's a huge gamble on a guy who isn't healthy but the best news is that Noah's injuries are not to his lower body and for a big to have solid legs/knees/feet is huge. He can come back from shoulder issues. Your definitely correct though in regard to giving big money to older players but look at what is happening. Mozgov getting bucks. Gasol highly sought after. I think Noah is one of the better free agent bigs out there, not to mention Dwight looking for 22 million. It's comical. Noah seems like a steal compared to what the market is dictating. Time will tell, we shall see who the starting 2 guard will be. I'm hoping lee buys into what Phil is selling and our lineup all of a sudden looks like a top 3-4 team in the east pending bench signings. Hopefully we retain Galloway, Thomas bring back Williams and sign Crawford as the 6th man. Things will look a lot brighter for the Knicks.
As a Gators fan  
Big Rick in FL : 7/1/2016 2:12 am : link
I'm very happy about Noah. I really think he will drive in New York. Unlike Whiteside & Dwight we know Joakim will give it 110% every game. I'm so excited to root for Joakim. He's probably the nicest guy in the NBA off the court. I just hope he returns to his DPOY form.
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