I saw Rose when Gasol was there start to change his role. Pau and Rose actually had a good repoire on the pick and roll. Rose would pass first, shoot 2nd a lot on the pick and roll last year which was a big change where he would attack or pull up for a jumper.
One other note to make aware of aware of. Rose in the open court was still pretty sweet last year. He didnt dunk or finish like he used too, but he is still faster/stronger than majority of guards in the league. The problem was he didnt get as many opportunities due to the other team scoring so much and the bulls not forcing as many TOs.
With KP and Noah and a defensive 2 guard..... Knicks should be better defensively and create easier opportunities for rose in the open floor.
Not that I'm a huge fan of his, but it's a guy who plays defense and doesn't dominate the ball in any way. He can also be traded if an opportunity presents itself down the line.
and try to build more of a bench. Seems pretty necessary given the starters as 1, 3, 4, and 5.
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
Seriously, can you just shut the fuck up for once? I come on here to find out NEWS about what is going on in the NBA and all I am reading is your opinion on stats AGAIN. Nobody gives a shit as I am sure you can tell because this is like the 10th Knicks thread in like 2 weeks where everybody is telling you the same thing. Can we just focus on what is happening in the NBA and not what you think? Thanks. It is much appreciated.
although I'd have a lot less confidence handing Rush 30 mpg. He's a guy I'd like to sign in addition to a starting 2.
Really think we need to spread the wealth. Henderson at SG and then Thomas, Galloway, Hernangomez is the start of a decent bench that can really defend the 1-4.
Seriously, can you just shut the fuck up for once? I come on here to find out NEWS about what is going on in the NBA and all I am reading is your opinion on stats AGAIN. Nobody gives a shit as I am sure you can tell because this is like the 10th Knicks thread in like 2 weeks where everybody is telling you the same thing. Can we just focus on what is happening in the NBA and not what you think? Thanks. It is much appreciated.
How about you eat a dick, maybe with some hot sauce on it?
and try to build more of a bench. Seems pretty necessary given the starters as 1, 3, 4, and 5.
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
He's on the older side for an upside play, but agreed that we need as many playable bodies as we can. I don't think Lee is good enough that he's better then playing for depth and hoping for the best.
Zach Lowe posted a good article today which discusses the Knicks
and try to build more of a bench. Seems pretty necessary given the starters as 1, 3, 4, and 5.
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
I actually like the idea of Henderson. He is a solid player, and he is about at that age where you see a lot of these 3 and D type guys start to "get it." Definitely think he would be a good get and would probably come cheaper than some of the other names floated.
It could just be gas but I have a feeling knicks are trying to sign wa
Knicks are way to quiet right now and it seems like there is no news on wade...
A few reasons why I think wade is leaving...
1 heat are capped out after signing wade...
2 they are still meeting with durant which means it is Durant or wade, I think that pissed off wade...
3 Noah's terms not announced, he announced he is signing but no reason for his agent not to release terms unless there is wiggle room for another player...
4 knicks are going for it So if wade is really available why not just really go for it and bring in wade if he is truly available?
It is just way to quiet, I think Phil and Melo are working on getting wade...
RE: RE: We could go a little cheaper at starting SG
and try to build more of a bench. Seems pretty necessary given the starters as 1, 3, 4, and 5.
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
He's on the older side for an upside play, but agreed that we need as many playable bodies as we can. I don't think Lee is good enough that he's better then playing for depth and hoping for the best.
See Lopes' point about 3 & D guys developing later. E.g. Carroll broke out in his age 27 season.
That's the thing about these 3 and D guys. They tend to be late bloomers. If you're doing it at age 23, you're probably going to end up as more than a 3 and D guy.
Henderson, depending on what you can get him for, has contract upside. It's not clear that Lee at 15 or more million will have contract upside.
Seriously, can you just shut the fuck up for once? I come on here to find out NEWS about what is going on in the NBA and all I am reading is your opinion on stats AGAIN. Nobody gives a shit as I am sure you can tell because this is like the 10th Knicks thread in like 2 weeks where everybody is telling you the same thing. Can we just focus on what is happening in the NBA and not what you think? Thanks. It is much appreciated.
Agreed. Holy hell is it tough to skim this thread to see what's going on.
There is a moratorium on free agent signings. Players can make their intentions known, but acquired free agent deals are not signed until July 6 at the earliest. There's not nothing the team can announce. Noah already confirmed where he's going on his social media.
in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Multiple sources have reported deals. Cleveland.com, Woj, other writers. There are exact parameters of deals. Regarding Noah....
Joakim Noah posted a picture on his Instagram of himself wearing a Knicks hat.
It's a lock that Noah will be joining the Knicks, but we're still waiting on official confirmation. For what it's worth, the last report from The Vertical indicated that he could receive a four-year, $70 million deal. This would be a great spot for Noah's fantasy value as he would immediately become the Knicks' starting center. Jul 1 - 3:19 PM
There are no concrete numbers. It's "estimates" or "could be" or something else not exact.
All of the other deals say 4-38 or 5-98 or 3-30. Noah's deal says in the range or could be for around 70 or something like that. Why aren't they leaking the exact number like every other deal?
Seriously, can you just shut the fuck up for once? I come on here to find out NEWS about what is going on in the NBA and all I am reading is your opinion on stats AGAIN. Nobody gives a shit as I am sure you can tell because this is like the 10th Knicks thread in like 2 weeks where everybody is telling you the same thing. Can we just focus on what is happening in the NBA and not what you think? Thanks. It is much appreciated.
This. Exactly. I've been trying to read these threads since Rose was traded for, and all I see is this guy whining, bitching, moaning and complaining. Ok, we get it. You hate Rose. And because you hate Rose, you hate every move the Knocks will ever make afterwards. And, we also get it, that you feel every player on the planet that plays for other teams is awesome while every player on the Knicks sucks balls. Now, like Robbie said, can you please shut the fuck up? You're ruining these threads. I understand that Knicks fans are programmed to be negative. But hasn't this team put us through enough? We need to be trolled by our fellow fans too? Just take your negativity somewhere else for fucks sake.
Legion Hoops @LegionHoops
Dwight Howard is going home. Hawks will pay him $70.5 million over the next 3 years. (Y!)
Wow. Not saying Howard is better than Horford but that might be a better fit for Atlanta. They got absolutely dominated by true centers on the boards and in the paint. If they can retain Bazemore (or pull another fringe NBA player to fill that role out of their ass, yet again) they should continue to be in the middle of the pack in the east.
Also means Horford is out, OKC could take advantage of it now
Seriously, can you just shut the fuck up for once? I come on here to find out NEWS about what is going on in the NBA and all I am reading is your opinion on stats AGAIN. Nobody gives a shit as I am sure you can tell because this is like the 10th Knicks thread in like 2 weeks where everybody is telling you the same thing. Can we just focus on what is happening in the NBA and not what you think? Thanks. It is much appreciated.
+1000
And in other news, Mike Conley Jr. just signed the richest deal
in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
RE: RE: RE: Zach Lowe posted a good article today which discusses the Knicks
in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
So true. A non-Knicks fan can just scan this thread to see how far low the bar has been Set now.
in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
So true. A non-Knicks fan can just scan this thread to see how far low the bar has been Set now.
It's weird. Some of the same people are very, VERY critical and discerning about the Giants. A team that's actually won championships this century.
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Dwyane Wade is in contract talks with the Knicks & Bucks and could schedule meetings next week, sources told ESPN.
RE: RE: RE: Zach Lowe posted a good article today which discusses the Knicks
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
Umm...
The Spurs got Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, George Hill (who they eventually flipped for Kawhi Leonard), and Thiago Splitter without a 1st round pick higher than 25. They signed Danny Green off of the scrap heap.
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Dwyane Wade is in contract talks with the Knicks & Bucks and could schedule meetings next week, sources told ESPN.
I knew it
If money is close have to assume he chooses knicks
Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Brian Windhorst
Said a source close to Wade, "He wants to be compensated for his pay cuts"
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Then go down line to next year. You got Melo and Wade. One of their amigos, ache is Paul is a FA in 2017. Could be Phil's master plan
Ramona Shelburne @ramonashelburne
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Brian Windhorst
Said a source close to Wade, "He wants to be compensated for his pay cuts"
The problem for the heat is if they pay wade they are capped out and their team is worse than last year and Riley wants to wait so basically they told wade we want to meet Durant first...
After signing whiteside they only have so much money to give him
One other note to make aware of aware of. Rose in the open court was still pretty sweet last year. He didnt dunk or finish like he used too, but he is still faster/stronger than majority of guards in the league. The problem was he didnt get as many opportunities due to the other team scoring so much and the bulls not forcing as many TOs.
With KP and Noah and a defensive 2 guard..... Knicks should be better defensively and create easier opportunities for rose in the open floor.
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
Really think we need to spread the wealth. Henderson at SG and then Thomas, Galloway, Hernangomez is the start of a decent bench that can really defend the 1-4.
How about you eat a dick, maybe with some hot sauce on it?
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
He's on the older side for an upside play, but agreed that we need as many playable bodies as we can. I don't think Lee is good enough that he's better then playing for depth and hoping for the best.
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How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
I actually like the idea of Henderson. He is a solid player, and he is about at that age where you see a lot of these 3 and D type guys start to "get it." Definitely think he would be a good get and would probably come cheaper than some of the other names floated.
A few reasons why I think wade is leaving...
1 heat are capped out after signing wade...
2 they are still meeting with durant which means it is Durant or wade, I think that pissed off wade...
3 Noah's terms not announced, he announced he is signing but no reason for his agent not to release terms unless there is wiggle room for another player...
4 knicks are going for it So if wade is really available why not just really go for it and bring in wade if he is truly available?
It is just way to quiet, I think Phil and Melo are working on getting wade...
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and try to build more of a bench. Seems pretty necessary given the starters as 1, 3, 4, and 5.
How about Gerald Henderson? Sandpaper defender. Came in and couldnt shoot. Has gotten better and better. Last year shot 35.3% from 3. I think he has upside. Lower end 3&D guy who I think could really move into the very good 3&D camp. Dukie. Corner 3 guy, but we have two forwards who can take the tougher 3s.
He's on the older side for an upside play, but agreed that we need as many playable bodies as we can. I don't think Lee is good enough that he's better then playing for depth and hoping for the best.
See Lopes' point about 3 & D guys developing later. E.g. Carroll broke out in his age 27 season.
That's the thing about these 3 and D guys. They tend to be late bloomers. If you're doing it at age 23, you're probably going to end up as more than a 3 and D guy.
Henderson, depending on what you can get him for, has contract upside. It's not clear that Lee at 15 or more million will have contract upside.
Agreed. Holy hell is it tough to skim this thread to see what's going on.
They can't "announce" anything until July 7.
Where have they been formally announced? No team that made a signing has anything on their official social media.
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Multiple sources have reported deals. Cleveland.com, Woj, other writers. There are exact parameters of deals. Regarding Noah....
Joakim Noah posted a picture on his Instagram of himself wearing a Knicks hat.
It's a lock that Noah will be joining the Knicks, but we're still waiting on official confirmation. For what it's worth, the last report from The Vertical indicated that he could receive a four-year, $70 million deal. This would be a great spot for Noah's fantasy value as he would immediately become the Knicks' starting center. Jul 1 - 3:19 PM
There are no concrete numbers. It's "estimates" or "could be" or something else not exact.
Damn. Never been a fan of Rudy Gay (at least his perceived usefulness) but that would be a good fit.
Assuming no major players traded
Teague/Stuckey
George/Ellis
Gay/miles
Young
Turner/Big Al
That team would be 9 deep
Where are you seeing details of contract structures? All I see is "agreed to X years at Y dollars".
Dwight Howard is going home. Hawks will pay him $70.5 million over the next 3 years. (Y!)
This. Exactly. I've been trying to read these threads since Rose was traded for, and all I see is this guy whining, bitching, moaning and complaining. Ok, we get it. You hate Rose. And because you hate Rose, you hate every move the Knocks will ever make afterwards. And, we also get it, that you feel every player on the planet that plays for other teams is awesome while every player on the Knicks sucks balls. Now, like Robbie said, can you please shut the fuck up? You're ruining these threads. I understand that Knicks fans are programmed to be negative. But hasn't this team put us through enough? We need to be trolled by our fellow fans too? Just take your negativity somewhere else for fucks sake.
Dwight Howard is going home. Hawks will pay him $70.5 million over the next 3 years. (Y!)
Wow. Not saying Howard is better than Horford but that might be a better fit for Atlanta. They got absolutely dominated by true centers on the boards and in the paint. If they can retain Bazemore (or pull another fringe NBA player to fill that role out of their ass, yet again) they should continue to be in the middle of the pack in the east.
Also means Horford is out, OKC could take advantage of it now
A Westbrook-Oladipo-Durant-Horford-Adams team would be a lot of fun.
When they went out and signed Stoudemire, we didn't get real numbers until the day of the press conference. It was just "max contract".
Same for when they re-signed melo. It took a while to learn that he didn't actually take 100% of the money he could have.
Jul 5, 2010 at 1:00a ET
The New York Knicks and Amar'e Stoudemire have agreed to a five-year deal worth about $100 million.
http://www.foxsports.com/nba/story/New-York-Knicks-Amare-Stoudemire-deal-070510
Jul 14, 2014
I.E. Carmelo Anthony will remain in the Big Apple, re-signing with the Knicks on a five-year contract reportedly worth at least $120 million.
http://www.si.com/nba/2014/07/12/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-contract-agreement
+1000
No he didn't.
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in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
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in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
So true. A non-Knicks fan can just scan this thread to see how far low the bar has been Set now.
Good for him.
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in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
So true. A non-Knicks fan can just scan this thread to see how far low the bar has been Set now.
It's weird. Some of the same people are very, VERY critical and discerning about the Giants. A team that's actually won championships this century.
@WindhorstESPN
Dwyane Wade is in contract talks with the Knicks & Bucks and could schedule meetings next week, sources told ESPN.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
Umm...
The Spurs got Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, George Hill (who they eventually flipped for Kawhi Leonard), and Thiago Splitter without a 1st round pick higher than 25. They signed Danny Green off of the scrap heap.
Wait.
@WindhorstESPN
Dwyane Wade is in contract talks with the Knicks & Bucks and could schedule meetings next week, sources told ESPN.
I knew it
If money is close have to assume he chooses knicks
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Brian Windhorst
Said a source close to Wade, "He wants to be compensated for his pay cuts"
Wait.
Lmao
Then go down line to next year. You got Melo and Wade. One of their amigos, ache is Paul is a FA in 2017. Could be Phil's master plan
For real, we don't need a shooting guard that can't shoot from range, and we already have Carmelo for hero ball time.
Ramona Shelburne Retweeted Brian Windhorst
Said a source close to Wade, "He wants to be compensated for his pay cuts"
The problem for the heat is if they pay wade they are capped out and their team is worse than last year and Riley wants to wait so basically they told wade we want to meet Durant first...
After signing whiteside they only have so much money to give him