Methinks Wade is just working Riley for more money.
The heat only have so much money to give him, Heat are basically capped out and whiteside kind of screwed that for them because they couldn't go over the cap to sign him
assuming they don't make an offer good enough he might seriously accept.
For real, we don't need a shooting guard that can't shoot from range, and we already have Carmelo for hero ball time.
Ehh if knicks are going to go for it for the next 3 years might as well really go for it
I pretty much agree. I actually kind of love the idea of Wade in this scenario. If you're going to put together the best team of all time 5 years too late, why go half ass? I don't even mean that in a bad way. If were going for lightening in a bottle, its worth it to see if a shit ton of motivated guys past their prime can rally around a still great Melo and a soon to be great KP. At the worst its must watch TV and at the best you get one year, maybe two years, of possible contention and then a sharp decline. Wade wasn't what he was but he's still relatively productive. Also- like dep said about Rose, maybe a real switch in roles for Wade ups his productivity. Then you just find as many shooters as you can and hope KP and Noah can be fierce enough as rim protectors for having a sub par defensive back court.
Sam Amick @sam_amick 1m1 minute ago
Here's the thing about the Dwyane Wade-Knicks notion: even the Knicks acknowledge that they don't have enough $$ to satisfy his desires.
then Phil is basically fullfilling his promise to Camelo, (albeit to the best of his ability lol),before Camelo signed his contract. To give him a fighting chance to make it to the finals and try to steal one.
If we don't get it done, then Phil can say we tried and then tear it all back up in 3-4 years, and then build around KP.
I still believe it's Phils full intention, to get Camelo a fighters chance at a championship, although again, according to most fans, it's a very weak one.
And of course, all within the remainder of Melo's contract.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
Umm...
The Spurs got Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, George Hill (who they eventually flipped for Kawhi Leonard), and Thiago Splitter without a 1st round pick higher than 25. They signed Danny Green off of the scrap heap.
Ok dude. Make a plan based on drafting and developing talent like the Spurs. That experiment seems repeatable at will.
Is way better then Courtney Lee & Eric Gordon combined. If he's willing to sign here the Knicks have to do it IMO. My Brother is a huge Heat fan so it'd make it even better that his favorite basketball player ever signs for his most hated team.
Sam Amick @sam_amick 1m1 minute ago
Here's the thing about the Dwyane Wade-Knicks notion: even the Knicks acknowledge that they don't have enough $$ to satisfy his desires.
This! Wade is just posturing to force Riley to give him what he believes he deserves/gave up on other contracts As much as I'd like to stick it to Pat the Rat, I don't want to see us lose Lee or Gordon while Wade keeps us in a holding pattern, only to get his way w/the Heat.
That's simply not true. Wade played 74 games last year. He had 19 points while shooting 46% from the field with 4 rebounds, 4.6 assists & 1 steal a game. He's a much better option then Courtney Lee.
That's simply not true. Wade played 74 games last year. He had 19 points while shooting 46% from the field with 4 rebounds, 4.6 assists & 1 steal a game. He's a much better option then Courtney Lee.
But he'd see way less of the ball here, can't spread the floor, and doesn't play defense.
We need guys who can excel without the ball in their hands.
turns this team into a comedy sideshow. Lee turns it into an ECF threat.
Again, I don't know much about Lee's game, but someone above posted that Wade at his worse, is still better than Lee at his best.
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then a Courtney Lee? I don't know much about Courtneys game.
Fossilized Wade is still way better than Courtney Lee
Whatever Wade can do seems too redundant for what Rose can do.
in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
Dude... Cmon. Now you're just finding a way to drum up negativity
A lot of Wade last year cause I'm in Boca Raton, he was better than previous 2 years. He's improved his 3pt shooting , don't think 2 of Wade would be terrible , after that though could get dicey.
A lot of Wade last year cause I'm in Boca Raton, he was better than previous 2 years. He's improved his 3pt shooting , don't think 2 of Wade would be terrible , after that though could get dicey.
That's simply not true. Wade played 74 games last year. He had 19 points while shooting 46% from the field with 4 rebounds, 4.6 assists & 1 steal a game. He's a much better option then Courtney Lee.
But he'd see way less of the ball here, can't spread the floor, and doesn't play defense.
We need guys who can excel without the ball in their hands.
People can't drill this into their heads. Yes wade is a flashier name than Lee. Yes he's a better player than Lee. But think about it practically. Rose and Melo already have some of the highest usage rates at their respective positions. What can wade do when the ball isn't in his hands? Answer: not much
If Noah contract starts at 17 mm whatdoes that leave in cap a space without making any moves and what does it leave if you rescind Galloway, Thomas and trade o Quinn for nothing
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Zach Lowe posted a good article today which discusses the Knicks
Ok dude. Make a plan based on drafting and developing talent like the Spurs. That experiment seems repeatable at will.
Current (non-Spurs) NBA players drafted 24th or later:
- Kyle Lowry
- Paul Millsap
- Marc Gasol
- Serge Ibaka
- Nicolas Batum
- DeAndre Jordan
- Goran Dragic
- Hassan Whiteside
- Reggie Jackson
- Jimmy Butler
- Chandler Parsons
- Isaiah Thomas
- Jae Crowder
- Draymond Green
- Rudy Gobert
There's obviously more, but the idea that you can't get talent or pieces to build around KP without lottery picks is foolish. You need the lottery pick to get KP... once you have the star, the rest of it is a lot easier.
Ok dude. Make a plan based on drafting and developing talent like the Spurs. That experiment seems repeatable at will.
Current (non-Spurs) NBA players drafted 24th or later:
- Kyle Lowry
- Paul Millsap
- Marc Gasol
- Serge Ibaka
- Nicolas Batum
- DeAndre Jordan
- Goran Dragic
- Hassan Whiteside
- Reggie Jackson
- Jimmy Butler
- Chandler Parsons
- Isaiah Thomas
- Jae Crowder
- Draymond Green
- Rudy Gobert
There's obviously more, but the idea that you can't get talent or pieces to build around KP without lottery picks is foolish. You need the lottery pick to get KP... once you have the star, the rest of it is a lot easier.
The list of players drafted 5 and higher is much longer and better.
RE: Tommy Dee saying Wade meeting w/Knicks Wednesday
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
ESPN sources say the Knicks have made a four-year offer to Courtney Lee, but Lee has a variety of suitors and is working through the options
Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
Sources: Free agent guard Eric Gordon finished meeting with Memphis hierarchy within the hour. More conversations w/ Knicks on tap too.
RE: Miami has to rescind wades rights to sign whiteside
What we seem to know is that the cap is gonna jump up a lot next year, drop a little the next, and then what? If it jumps up a lot then these big contracts may not seem bad amd have value as trading chips if the players can still play. If not, we let them expire and rebuild with Porzingis.
Austin Green @LosCrossovers 1m1 minute ago
Austin Green Retweeted Stefan Bondy
Willy to NYK is official. Special offensive player, defense/athleticism will be problems. He needs a good mentor
(Seems like Noah is perfect for this role)
"Special" offensive player? I hadnt heard that before. Exciting.
For real, we don't need a shooting guard that can't shoot from range, and we already have Carmelo for hero ball time.
Ehh if knicks are going to go for it for the next 3 years might as well really go for it
He did it last year, and got $20m for his trouble. I think it was the Bulls he used for leverage last season.
Of course he is. He's pulling a Grant Hill.
The heat only have so much money to give him, Heat are basically capped out and whiteside kind of screwed that for them because they couldn't go over the cap to sign him
Fossilized Wade is still way better than Courtney Lee
Eric Gordon expected to finalize a deal tonight, down to New York and Memphis, source says.
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assuming they don't make an offer good enough he might seriously accept.
For real, we don't need a shooting guard that can't shoot from range, and we already have Carmelo for hero ball time.
Ehh if knicks are going to go for it for the next 3 years might as well really go for it
I pretty much agree. I actually kind of love the idea of Wade in this scenario. If you're going to put together the best team of all time 5 years too late, why go half ass? I don't even mean that in a bad way. If were going for lightening in a bottle, its worth it to see if a shit ton of motivated guys past their prime can rally around a still great Melo and a soon to be great KP. At the worst its must watch TV and at the best you get one year, maybe two years, of possible contention and then a sharp decline. Wade wasn't what he was but he's still relatively productive. Also- like dep said about Rose, maybe a real switch in roles for Wade ups his productivity. Then you just find as many shooters as you can and hope KP and Noah can be fierce enough as rim protectors for having a sub par defensive back court.
Here's the thing about the Dwyane Wade-Knicks notion: even the Knicks acknowledge that they don't have enough $$ to satisfy his desires.
If we don't get it done, then Phil can say we tried and then tear it all back up in 3-4 years, and then build around KP.
And of course, all within the remainder of Melo's contract.
It's funny to say now, but nobody wants to sit through 82 games of it.
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Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
Umm...
The Spurs got Tony Parker, Manu Ginobli, George Hill (who they eventually flipped for Kawhi Leonard), and Thiago Splitter without a 1st round pick higher than 25. They signed Danny Green off of the scrap heap.
Ok dude. Make a plan based on drafting and developing talent like the Spurs. That experiment seems repeatable at will.
It's funny to say now, but nobody wants to sit through 82 games of it.
Way too late for that though no? Might as well put some spinning rims on it before we crash!
Here's the thing about the Dwyane Wade-Knicks notion: even the Knicks acknowledge that they don't have enough $$ to satisfy his desires.
This! Wade is just posturing to force Riley to give him what he believes he deserves/gave up on other contracts As much as I'd like to stick it to Pat the Rat, I don't want to see us lose Lee or Gordon while Wade keeps us in a holding pattern, only to get his way w/the Heat.
But he'd see way less of the ball here, can't spread the floor, and doesn't play defense.
We need guys who can excel without the ball in their hands.
Again, I don't know much about Lee's game, but someone above posted that Wade at his worse, is still better than Lee at his best.
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then a Courtney Lee? I don't know much about Courtneys game.
Fossilized Wade is still way better than Courtney Lee
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in depth. Definitely worth a read if you have 10-15 minutes to kill. Link - ( New Window )
Good article, but I'm not quite as negative (although Lowe isn't particularly negative either) for one reason... for the first time in my lifetime, the Knicks' future 1st round picks are 100% completely and totally theirs. No horseshit flipping or anything like that. With those picks, the building around KP can still happen even as they add these other players. Like he says, the star is everything and KP appears to be that star.
Except draft picks are less valuable if you dont suck. Obviously it is good we had them. Indeed, we traded them on the assumption we wouldnt suck, and we did. So Im not knocking picks.
Talk about low expectations though. Knicks fans justify anything by saying "well at least we have our picks".
Dude... Cmon. Now you're just finding a way to drum up negativity
He shot .159 from 3. Robin Lopez could do that.
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That's simply not true. Wade played 74 games last year. He had 19 points while shooting 46% from the field with 4 rebounds, 4.6 assists & 1 steal a game. He's a much better option then Courtney Lee.
But he'd see way less of the ball here, can't spread the floor, and doesn't play defense.
We need guys who can excel without the ball in their hands.
People can't drill this into their heads. Yes wade is a flashier name than Lee. Yes he's a better player than Lee. But think about it practically. Rose and Melo already have some of the highest usage rates at their respective positions. What can wade do when the ball isn't in his hands? Answer: not much
Ok dude. Make a plan based on drafting and developing talent like the Spurs. That experiment seems repeatable at will.
Current (non-Spurs) NBA players drafted 24th or later:
- Kyle Lowry
- Paul Millsap
- Marc Gasol
- Serge Ibaka
- Nicolas Batum
- DeAndre Jordan
- Goran Dragic
- Hassan Whiteside
- Reggie Jackson
- Jimmy Butler
- Chandler Parsons
- Isaiah Thomas
- Jae Crowder
- Draymond Green
- Rudy Gobert
There's obviously more, but the idea that you can't get talent or pieces to build around KP without lottery picks is foolish. You need the lottery pick to get KP... once you have the star, the rest of it is a lot easier.
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Ok dude. Make a plan based on drafting and developing talent like the Spurs. That experiment seems repeatable at will.
Current (non-Spurs) NBA players drafted 24th or later:
- Kyle Lowry
- Paul Millsap
- Marc Gasol
- Serge Ibaka
- Nicolas Batum
- DeAndre Jordan
- Goran Dragic
- Hassan Whiteside
- Reggie Jackson
- Jimmy Butler
- Chandler Parsons
- Isaiah Thomas
- Jae Crowder
- Draymond Green
- Rudy Gobert
There's obviously more, but the idea that you can't get talent or pieces to build around KP without lottery picks is foolish. You need the lottery pick to get KP... once you have the star, the rest of it is a lot easier.
The list of players drafted 5 and higher is much longer and better.
Tommy Dipshit still knows nothing.
ESPN sources say the Knicks have made a four-year offer to Courtney Lee, but Lee has a variety of suitors and is working through the options
Sources: Free agent guard Eric Gordon finished meeting with Memphis hierarchy within the hour. More conversations w/ Knicks on tap too.
Why do they have to do that? They hold the bird rights on both of them, no?
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So right now most they can offer is 19
Why do they have to do that? They hold the bird rights on both of them, no?
No needed cap space to sign whiteside
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By then Lee/Gordon will have signed elsewhere, Wade will have tweaked Pat the Rat to make roster space to get him his $$$ & we'll have nada!
Tommy Dipshit still knows nothing.
Austin Green Retweeted Stefan Bondy
Willy to NYK is official. Special offensive player, defense/athleticism will be problems. He needs a good mentor
(Seems like Noah is perfect for this role)
"Special" offensive player? I hadnt heard that before. Exciting.