I would need to see the numbers. I think I like Gordon better if they are both healthy (a big if). I have to say I'm intrigued by Wade short term if it could lead to Paul.
I would need to see the numbers. I think I like Gordon better if they are both healthy (a big if). I have to say I'm intrigued by Wade short term if it could lead to Paul.
And Bron Bron...ok, I went there. Hey, he said it himself. He wants to play with Melo, Wade and Paul.
Though I think I'd rather have Westbrook than Paul.
I would need to see the numbers. I think I like Gordon better if they are both healthy (a big if). I have to say I'm intrigued by Wade short term if it could lead to Paul.
And Bron Bron...ok, I went there. Hey, he said it himself. He wants to play with Melo, Wade and Paul.
Though I think I'd rather have Westbrook than Paul.
Why do you keep saying that? I am not being a dick. I just don't see how that is even possible financially. If we spend all of our available cap this year then we only have room for one max assuming Rose is not re-signed. If he is then I don't think we have enough for a max. Am I wrong?
I would need to see the numbers. I think I like Gordon better if they are both healthy (a big if). I have to say I'm intrigued by Wade short term if it could lead to Paul.
And Bron Bron...ok, I went there. Hey, he said it himself. He wants to play with Melo, Wade and Paul.
Though I think I'd rather have Westbrook than Paul.
Why do you keep saying that? I am not being a dick. I just don't see how that is even possible financially. If we spend all of our available cap this year then we only have room for one max assuming Rose is not re-signed. If he is then I don't think we have enough for a max. Am I wrong?
He did say he would take less to play with those guys. I don't think it's financially feasible, but if they all take pay cuts and given how the cap keeps increasing, it may be at least possible, just not probable.
RE: Do these 4 year contracts have any correlation to the salary cap?
What we seem to know is that the cap is gonna jump up a lot next year, drop a little the next, and then what? If it jumps up a lot then these big contracts may not seem bad amd have value as trading chips if the players can still play. If not, we let them expire and rebuild with Porzingis.
Negative. The cap is projected to peak then for a few years basically either shrink a bit or flatline.
that has dealt with quite a bit of injury in the last few years.
However this team unquestionably would have a TON of talent, great character and tremendous balance. Further the top four players will all be under the age of 32.
Frontcourt:
C/PF
2 Mobile shot altering defenders- KP and Noah
2 excellent passing bigs- KP and Noah
1 very promising rookie which reports indicate is quite developed offensively (needs work on D)- Hernangomez
1 Big who can handle the more rugged PFs and C's- Noah
SF
An excellent mid range and decent 3 pt shooter who can take over games at times and also create his own shot-Melo
Backcourt:
PG
An excellent slashing PG who can create off the dribble and create open shots for his teammates with how much a Defense has to collapse off him.- Rose
SG
A career 38% 3 pt FG sharpshooter who can create his own shot who is an underrated defender. An excellent complement to Rose.- Eric Gordon
Bench:
Lance Thomas- good 3 and D guy with defensive versarility to guard some 2,3 and 4's
Galloway -good defender at the 1 and 2 spot and can hit the 3 when called upon.
Coach:
Lastly a new coach that by all accounts should be adept at creating an offensive system to fit the talents of his players and create excellent ball movement,spacing and open shots.
There is certainly risks here but this is a team that at the very least can give us legitimate hope and optimism heading into the season that they can contend in the weak Eastern Conference.
And if guys stay relatively healthy make a deep run in the playoffs and possibly the ECF.
Having a guy that can defend on the perimeter is worth his weight in gold in today's NBA. Add in the fact that he can hit the three ball is perfect for this team. He also isn't a walking wounded player like Wade or Gordon.
Now, lets say we get Lee, is there any possibility to get Gordon too? I read something that said it is possible but I don't see how.
Do we not have details on Noah's contract yet? Are the Knicks holding off to try & prevent punishment for tampering? Are they holding off to try & make other salaries fit?
Do we not have details on Noah's contract yet? Are the Knicks holding off to try & prevent punishment for tampering? Are they holding off to try & make other salaries fit?
if meaningful, could be actually working in the Knicks favor, not against them. If they've already reached a general agreement and are waiting to announce terms for a specific reason it's most likely because they're trying to work on something behind the scenes with another player(s), trying to have the contract pieces fit together better.
regarding fitting the 2nd player such as Gordon or Lee with our remaining cap space.
They might be discussing dropping the 1st year a little lower to allow to sign EG or CL and then giving him higher or the maximum allowable increases each successive year.
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Knicks and Joakim Noah have officially agreed on a 4 year $72 million deal after meeting in Orlando tonight http://es.pn/29iLUX3
10:39 PM - 1 Jul 2016
Wade pissed at the Heat's offer to him. As he should be considering he's taken many pay cuts & been extremely loyal to them. This is from Woj
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The Heat's initial offer of $10 million annually - which would've constituted a 50 percent pay cut from his $20 million 2015-16 salary - deeply angered Wade, league sources told The Vertical. Even with the Heat planning to counter to a higher figure, league sources said, Wade has been insistent on starting to explore the market and meet with teams once he returns from an overseas vacation, league sources said.
Bazemore turned down 4 years 72 million from the Lakers. One of the best franchises in sports history to accept less money from the fucking Atlanta Hawks.
I've never seen Wade not give it 110%. He's played through injuries. In my opinion he's right there with Joakim when it comes to laying it all on the court. I've never really liked Wade either, but I could never say he doesn't give it his all.
And the Knicks likely to lock in Lee or Gordon to 4 year contracts. It stinks to know that we are prob at least another decade a way from competing for a championship. We will only have $20 million available next year assuming they don't go over the cap to sign Galloway and Thomas. So any dreams that Lebron really wants to play for Knicks one day is over. Also the hope of signing a max guy next year in the greatest free agent class ever is over leaving us with a probable over pay of rose next year. If healthy next year they will be entertaining and should be a 3-6 seed in the east, but the reality is they aren't winning anything serious.
I wish phil would have gone to melo and said that he wanted to rebuild and forced melo to accept trade to pickup some 2017 picks to begin the rebuild. Would have had our own likely lottery pick as well as whoever we traded melo to and the ability to pay for nearly 3 max guys in 2017bto play with porzingis and future picks. Now we Weill be stuck with picks in the 15-22 range for the next few years, which stinks.
Whatever happened to many BBI Knick fans expecting Durant..
That no-trade clause for Melo turned out to be a real blunder. Sad that our roster is still so barren that we have to spend like crazy just to field a team. And, yes, it will sting next summer when Westbrook is doing his FA tour and we can't even get in the game.
Remember, we also need a backup PG and a backup SF
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According to sources, a trade that's been pondered in recent days featured Hawks forward Paul Millsap and collection of picks owned by Suns.
Porzingis improved on staying out of foul trouble but do you really want Hernangomez as your next big in the game? We need another warm body that can defend at the 5. I am fine with playing small ball with Porzingis at the 5 but we have to have options because it can be easy for teams to get us out of that lineup.
Are you hearing anything from the inside?
And Bron Bron...ok, I went there. Hey, he said it himself. He wants to play with Melo, Wade and Paul.
Though I think I'd rather have Westbrook than Paul.
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I would need to see the numbers. I think I like Gordon better if they are both healthy (a big if). I have to say I'm intrigued by Wade short term if it could lead to Paul.
And Bron Bron...ok, I went there. Hey, he said it himself. He wants to play with Melo, Wade and Paul.
Though I think I'd rather have Westbrook than Paul.
Why do you keep saying that? I am not being a dick. I just don't see how that is even possible financially. If we spend all of our available cap this year then we only have room for one max assuming Rose is not re-signed. If he is then I don't think we have enough for a max. Am I wrong?
Nothing's done yet but NYK's told people they expect to have around $11 million avail after Noah.
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I would need to see the numbers. I think I like Gordon better if they are both healthy (a big if). I have to say I'm intrigued by Wade short term if it could lead to Paul.
And Bron Bron...ok, I went there. Hey, he said it himself. He wants to play with Melo, Wade and Paul.
Though I think I'd rather have Westbrook than Paul.
Why do you keep saying that? I am not being a dick. I just don't see how that is even possible financially. If we spend all of our available cap this year then we only have room for one max assuming Rose is not re-signed. If he is then I don't think we have enough for a max. Am I wrong?
He did say he would take less to play with those guys. I don't think it's financially feasible, but if they all take pay cuts and given how the cap keeps increasing, it may be at least possible, just not probable.
Negative. The cap is projected to peak then for a few years basically either shrink a bit or flatline.
Nothing's done yet but NYK's told people they expect to have around $11 million avail after Noah.
That would be terrible news if the only person they're adding is Noah. They have 32-35M now I believe.
Yeah, beats me. Too bad that guys can't restructure their deals like in the NFL.
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Ian Begley @IanBegley
Nothing's done yet but NYK's told people they expect to have around $11 million avail after Noah.
That would be terrible news if the only person they're adding is Noah. They have 32-35M now I believe.
That has to include cap holds for gallows and Thomas and maybe dwill
Sources: Dwyane Wade fielding $20 million-a-year offers. Four teams pursuing him.
Wade
Big big congrats to @youngwhiteside Your dedication and hard work to the game has finally paid off..#Caniborrow5dollars
Seems interesting in light of rumors about him being upset over the contract and rumors of Whiteside immaturity in Miami
However this team unquestionably would have a TON of talent, great character and tremendous balance. Further the top four players will all be under the age of 32.
Frontcourt:
C/PF
2 Mobile shot altering defenders- KP and Noah
2 excellent passing bigs- KP and Noah
1 very promising rookie which reports indicate is quite developed offensively (needs work on D)- Hernangomez
1 Big who can handle the more rugged PFs and C's- Noah
SF
An excellent mid range and decent 3 pt shooter who can take over games at times and also create his own shot-Melo
Backcourt:
PG
An excellent slashing PG who can create off the dribble and create open shots for his teammates with how much a Defense has to collapse off him.- Rose
SG
A career 38% 3 pt FG sharpshooter who can create his own shot who is an underrated defender. An excellent complement to Rose.- Eric Gordon
Bench:
Lance Thomas- good 3 and D guy with defensive versarility to guard some 2,3 and 4's
Galloway -good defender at the 1 and 2 spot and can hit the 3 when called upon.
Coach:
Lastly a new coach that by all accounts should be adept at creating an offensive system to fit the talents of his players and create excellent ball movement,spacing and open shots.
There is certainly risks here but this is a team that at the very least can give us legitimate hope and optimism heading into the season that they can contend in the weak Eastern Conference.
And if guys stay relatively healthy make a deep run in the playoffs and possibly the ECF.
Sources: Dwyane Wade fielding $20 million-a-year offers. Four teams pursuing him.
And the Knicks are not one of those 4 teams...
Now, lets say we get Lee, is there any possibility to get Gordon too? I read something that said it is possible but I don't see how.
Gotta be the latter.
if meaningful, could be actually working in the Knicks favor, not against them. If they've already reached a general agreement and are waiting to announce terms for a specific reason it's most likely because they're trying to work on something behind the scenes with another player(s), trying to have the contract pieces fit together better.
17-18-17.1 mill
18-19-17.9 mill
19-20-18.6 mill
from Bobby Marks
8m8 minutes ago
Marc Berman @NYPost_Berman
#Knicks meeting with Noah at posh resort hotel on Disney grounds tonight is at three-hour mark.
They might be discussing dropping the 1st year a little lower to allow to sign EG or CL and then giving him higher or the maximum allowable increases each successive year.
17-18-17.1 mill
18-19-17.9 mill
19-20-18.6 mill
from Bobby Marks
That cannot be accurate since it was just reported as a 4 year deal worth $72 mil.
Knicks and Joakim Noah have officially agreed on a 4 year $72 million deal after meeting in Orlando tonight http://es.pn/29iLUX3
10:39 PM - 1 Jul 2016
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Lol!
I wish phil would have gone to melo and said that he wanted to rebuild and forced melo to accept trade to pickup some 2017 picks to begin the rebuild. Would have had our own likely lottery pick as well as whoever we traded melo to and the ability to pay for nearly 3 max guys in 2017bto play with porzingis and future picks. Now we Weill be stuck with picks in the 15-22 range for the next few years, which stinks.
PG - Rose, X
SG - X, Holiday, Baker
SF - Melo, X, Labeyrie
PF - Porzingis, KOQ
C - Noah, Hernangomez
@ChrisBHaynes
According to sources, a trade that's been pondered in recent days featured Hawks forward Paul Millsap and collection of picks owned by Suns.
True
He sounds like he'd be a great fit for this style of basketball. Too bad.