Dwight is looking for at least 24 million. Both Dwight & Whiteside are going to get 24-25 million.
I've seen a lot of people that are worried about giving Whiteside that much money in fear that he will get complacent & basically stop trying. I think the same can be said for Dwight. Yes they are both better then Joakim, but they are going to make 7 million more per season. We know Joakim is going to give 110% on every play of every game.
Yea sorry meant 24 for Dwight. Whiteside seems like a guy who doesn't care much about winning and losing he just wants his pay day. We're in agreement about Noah. Love his game love his hustle will fit right into New York. He's Oakley reincarnated as far as attitude something that is lost in today's NBA. For the first time in a while I'm excited with this team.
We aren't going to win a title. Give me a competitive team that's fun to watch. That's basically all we can root for at this moment. A team of Rose/Lee(Gordon)/Melo/KP/Noah should be quite fun to watch. Especially if KP progresses as much as I think he will.
show on ESPN. He's not Skip/Stephen A popular, but he's on there often. He said a lot of teams are worried about Whiteside getting complacent.
He also has mutual friends with Dwight & he's heard the same thing about him from both NBA teams & their mutual friends. He flat out said Dwight doesn't care about winning. He said Dwight would much rather make a ton of money then win a gold ring. He said all Dwight cares about is making sure his family is set for life. Which is cool I completely understand that. I just wouldn't want him on my team.
Only 27 I love that no matter what direction Phil goes,negativity follows. Yesterday,it was Lee is already 30, can't we sign guys under 30.We need a 3 & D SG & the 2 best available within reason are Lee/Gordon Lee supposedly has a meeting today in Orlando w/Knicks Maybe Phil is looking at which one will take less so he can offer Rivers as a backup PG
Those beat writers are just throwing shit on a wall Â
And hope something sticks. They know we need a shooting guard, knicks will do their due diligence. we have several on the radar. We still have a meeting with courtney lee for fuckboys sakes.
These beat writers just want to beat each other to the punch.
These beat writers are just throwing shit on a wall Â
and hope something sticks. They know we need a shooting guard, Knicks will do their due diligence. We have several SG"s on the radar. We still have a meeting with courtney lee for fucks sake.
These beat writers just want to beat each other to the punch.
its really the years that bother me. If Mozgov gets 16.5 then Noah is worth 18, but did we have to give 4 years to a big man who could be starting to break down? THis also feels a lot like the Lopez signing last year. I wasnt initially thrilled with 4/52 but once you see all the other contracts (and the following years contracts it starts to look like a good deal).
Gordon on the other hand would really piss me off. How many injury risks do we need. Unless he is coming super cheap like 6-8 per for a 2 year deal or an overpay on a one year deal I want no part of him.
the Knicks should really sit the next wave out. This is usually the massive overpay wave. You have your high end guys sign quickly and then teams start jumping at that next tier. We could probably wait a few days or a week and then sign a few players with our remaining money that can help the team. I feel like after the first couple waves there are always so many teams who sign guys and i think "Wow thats a great deal for them".
Another NBA source told The Post the Knicks’ interest in the 6-foot-4 Gordon is gaining heavy traction within the organization as they desperately search for an affordable starting shooting guard.
Rose and Garden have a nice history — once called “The Eric and Derrick Show.” Rose and Gordon were teammates on a Chicago-based AAU team, called the Mean Streets Express. Some still regard it as the best backcourt tandem in AAU history.
“We just played well together,” Gordon said in 2011. “At that time, we just wanted to show people that we’re trying to be the best out there. We jelled together. We both played up-tempo games and loved to attack the basket.” Link - ( New Window )
In search of a backup point guard, the Knicks also reached out at midnight to the reps of combo guard Austin Rivers, Doc’s son, who played for the Clippers last season. and averaged 8.9 points and 1.5 assists. Rivers could command a salary starting at $5 million, according to a source, as he begins his fifth season out of Duke.
is ALWAYS hurt and hasn't been a good player since 2012. Pass.
Mozgov isn't a great value but he's been a better player then Noah the last few years. Yeesh.
In what world was mozgov better than Noah 3 years ago? Noah was 1st team all NBA. Two years ago Noah was a better rebounder, passer, and defender. So are you going by last year where Mozgoz was essentially benched to a guy who was injured all year?
If we're giving Noah 4 years I'm going to be pissed. Â
and then going down the following year. 2017-18 cap will be a high water mark for a while.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
saying that Noah is good for a 2 or 1 year deal sound retarded. The guy is a pro athlete looking to cement his last longer term deal of his career. He's 31. The back end of his prime. It's final paycheck time. His agents know this is his last hurrah. They're not going to waste it on short term deals so that idiotic Knick fans can feel good about their wiggle room.
The guy's a top defensive center. We're paying for it and we're going to have to offer more than 2 fucking years of team options.
and then going down the following year. 2017-18 cap will be a high water mark for a while.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
I don't want 4 years either so if there is a team option for the 4th year it becomes a little better...
saying that Noah is good for a 2 or 1 year deal sound retarded. The guy is a pro athlete looking to cement his last longer term deal of his career. He's 31. The back end of his prime. It's final paycheck time. His agents know this is his last hurrah. They're not going to waste it on short term deals so that idiotic Knick fans can feel good about their wiggle room.
The guy's a top defensive center. We're paying for it and we're going to have to offer more than 2 fucking years of team options.
He was a top defensive center 3 years ago.
Your broader point is correct. He wants 4 years not two. Doesnt mean WE should give it to him. Let another team make that mistake. Notice how Noah isnt fleecing 4 years off the best run teams.
Knicks have sucked for a decade plus largely because everyone plans for the next year, maybe two years, with zero focus on the long term. Looked like Phil was reversing that, but if this offseason is 4 years for Noah and the Rose trade, I'll have to reassess on that.
is ALWAYS hurt and hasn't been a good player since 2012. Pass.
Mozgov isn't a great value but he's been a better player then Noah the last few years. Yeesh.
In what world was mozgov better than Noah 3 years ago? Noah was 1st team all NBA. Two years ago Noah was a better rebounder, passer, and defender. So are you going by last year where Mozgoz was essentially benched to a guy who was injured all year?
That's why I said he hasn't been good since 14, playa.
and then going down the following year. 2017-18 cap will be a high water mark for a while.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
I thought it was jumping like 20M in each of the next two years, no? Wasn't the TV deal 9 years?
saying that Noah is good for a 2 or 1 year deal sound retarded. The guy is a pro athlete looking to cement his last longer term deal of his career. He's 31. The back end of his prime. It's final paycheck time. His agents know this is his last hurrah. They're not going to waste it on short term deals so that idiotic Knick fans can feel good about their wiggle room.
The guy's a top defensive center. We're paying for it and we're going to have to offer more than 2 fucking years of team options.
He was a top defensive center 3 years ago.
Your broader point is correct. He wants 4 years not two. Doesnt mean WE should give it to him. Let another team make that mistake. Notice how Noah isnt fleecing 4 years off the best run teams.
Knicks have sucked for a decade plus largely because everyone plans for the next year, maybe two years, with zero focus on the long term. Looked like Phil was reversing that, but if this offseason is 4 years for Noah and the Rose trade, I'll have to reassess on that.
The Noah deal is middle of the road. It's whatever. It's not the best or the worst. But, to pretend we can sign a proven vet to a cheap team-friendly short-term deal is ridiculous. He costs what he costs. He's better than Lopez. He's still reasonably young. You guys are acting like this is some A-Rod deal where he's going to be getting 18 mill to play on crutches in his 40s. The guy would be 35 by deal end.
The real questions aren't for this year anyway. I don't think Rose is the future of the franchise. I don't think he was brought here to be. Next offseason, to me, seems to be the most important point for our future. So long as Phil keeps us afloat until then, reserving our picks and shoring up the team with regard to that and bringing in a marquis guy, which he has been, we're not any worse off.
I'm not sure why that was even being discussed. Knicks had the inside track because of Rose, but it's not like Noah is some 35-36 year old looking to latch onto a championship team.
4 years hurts, but some part of this deal was going to hurt. If it breaks down to 15 or 16m per year, I think it could've been worse.
and then going down the following year. 2017-18 cap will be a high water mark for a while.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
I thought it was jumping like 20M in each of the next two years, no? Wasn't the TV deal 9 years?
This year is jump 1, next year is jump 2. For some reason it then goes down. I think there is a balloon payment next year or something. Next year is an aberration. i.e. 2018-19 will be higher than 2016-17 -- it is 2017-18 that is a one-off.
I've seen a lot of people that are worried about giving Whiteside that much money in fear that he will get complacent & basically stop trying. I think the same can be said for Dwight. Yes they are both better then Joakim, but they are going to make 7 million more per season. We know Joakim is going to give 110% on every play of every game.
He also has mutual friends with Dwight & he's heard the same thing about him from both NBA teams & their mutual friends. He flat out said Dwight doesn't care about winning. He said Dwight would much rather make a ton of money then win a gold ring. He said all Dwight cares about is making sure his family is set for life. Which is cool I completely understand that. I just wouldn't want him on my team.
What's not to like about a shooting guard that can't shoot?
These beat writers just want to beat each other to the punch.
These beat writers just want to beat each other to the punch.
Him and drose are very close and have known each other since high school, maybe he sold Phil on him
Gordon on the other hand would really piss me off. How many injury risks do we need. Unless he is coming super cheap like 6-8 per for a 2 year deal or an overpay on a one year deal I want no part of him.
I meant backup option, not a bench player.
On this team, you'd think he would get a bunch of clean looks. The form and all that is good.
Its either one or the other there is no wiggle room
Rose and Garden have a nice history — once called “The Eric and Derrick Show.” Rose and Gordon were teammates on a Chicago-based AAU team, called the Mean Streets Express. Some still regard it as the best backcourt tandem in AAU history.
“We just played well together,” Gordon said in 2011. “At that time, we just wanted to show people that we’re trying to be the best out there. We jelled together. We both played up-tempo games and loved to attack the basket.”
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Why should Gordon be any different then his back court partner or his C(insert 2014 for Noah)?
Mozgov isn't a great value but he's been a better player then Noah the last few years. Yeesh.
What was that about trading Lopez opens up more cap space with Roses expiring again? Lol
The contracts you see are just going to get bigger and bigger...
You have to look at percentage of cap rather than the actual number because soon ever player in a starting lineup will be over 15 million
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is ALWAYS hurt and hasn't been a good player since 2012. Pass.
Mozgov isn't a great value but he's been a better player then Noah the last few years. Yeesh.
In what world was mozgov better than Noah 3 years ago? Noah was 1st team all NBA. Two years ago Noah was a better rebounder, passer, and defender. So are you going by last year where Mozgoz was essentially benched to a guy who was injured all year?
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
The guy's a top defensive center. We're paying for it and we're going to have to offer more than 2 fucking years of team options.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
I don't want 4 years either so if there is a team option for the 4th year it becomes a little better...
I am just waiting to see how it's structured..
The guy's a top defensive center. We're paying for it and we're going to have to offer more than 2 fucking years of team options.
He was a top defensive center 3 years ago.
Your broader point is correct. He wants 4 years not two. Doesnt mean WE should give it to him. Let another team make that mistake. Notice how Noah isnt fleecing 4 years off the best run teams.
Knicks have sucked for a decade plus largely because everyone plans for the next year, maybe two years, with zero focus on the long term. Looked like Phil was reversing that, but if this offseason is 4 years for Noah and the Rose trade, I'll have to reassess on that.
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is ALWAYS hurt and hasn't been a good player since 2012. Pass.
Mozgov isn't a great value but he's been a better player then Noah the last few years. Yeesh.
In what world was mozgov better than Noah 3 years ago? Noah was 1st team all NBA. Two years ago Noah was a better rebounder, passer, and defender. So are you going by last year where Mozgoz was essentially benched to a guy who was injured all year?
That's why I said he hasn't been good since 14, playa.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
I thought it was jumping like 20M in each of the next two years, no? Wasn't the TV deal 9 years?
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saying that Noah is good for a 2 or 1 year deal sound retarded. The guy is a pro athlete looking to cement his last longer term deal of his career. He's 31. The back end of his prime. It's final paycheck time. His agents know this is his last hurrah. They're not going to waste it on short term deals so that idiotic Knick fans can feel good about their wiggle room.
The guy's a top defensive center. We're paying for it and we're going to have to offer more than 2 fucking years of team options.
He was a top defensive center 3 years ago.
Your broader point is correct. He wants 4 years not two. Doesnt mean WE should give it to him. Let another team make that mistake. Notice how Noah isnt fleecing 4 years off the best run teams.
Knicks have sucked for a decade plus largely because everyone plans for the next year, maybe two years, with zero focus on the long term. Looked like Phil was reversing that, but if this offseason is 4 years for Noah and the Rose trade, I'll have to reassess on that.
The Noah deal is middle of the road. It's whatever. It's not the best or the worst. But, to pretend we can sign a proven vet to a cheap team-friendly short-term deal is ridiculous. He costs what he costs. He's better than Lopez. He's still reasonably young. You guys are acting like this is some A-Rod deal where he's going to be getting 18 mill to play on crutches in his 40s. The guy would be 35 by deal end.
The real questions aren't for this year anyway. I don't think Rose is the future of the franchise. I don't think he was brought here to be. Next offseason, to me, seems to be the most important point for our future. So long as Phil keeps us afloat until then, reserving our picks and shoring up the team with regard to that and bringing in a marquis guy, which he has been, we're not any worse off.
4 years hurts, but some part of this deal was going to hurt. If it breaks down to 15 or 16m per year, I think it could've been worse.
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and then going down the following year. 2017-18 cap will be a high water mark for a while.
If it's not really a 4 year deal that is better. If it is, that's mortgaging the future. You can spin to justify it all you want. It's making a massive long term investment for a breaking down player because you hope he will help you win this year (a year you have no title chance). No one thinks Year 4 of Noah will be a year you want to pay him $20 million.
This is how shitty deals happen. You tell yourself that 2 years for Noah is a good idea, and then when it is 4 years you convince yourself that there is no big difference.
I thought it was jumping like 20M in each of the next two years, no? Wasn't the TV deal 9 years?
This year is jump 1, next year is jump 2. For some reason it then goes down. I think there is a balloon payment next year or something. Next year is an aberration. i.e. 2018-19 will be higher than 2016-17 -- it is 2017-18 that is a one-off.
I think.