Isles and Devils will probably be active. Should see some more trades too either today or next week once the dominoes settle.
Okposo, Nielsen rumored to be looking elsewhere. Isles supposedly looking at Andrew Ladd. Also some talk they might be willing to take Vanek back provided it's low risk and low term.
Devils need to bring in at least another forward and a defenseman. Some rumors they have checked in on Nielsen and also Matt Martin for a 4th line role too. Okposo and Eriksson probably too high for the Devils liking.
Do Rangers pull off a trade today? Still some Stepan rumblings out there with the Wild if they can't sign one of the forwards in free agency.
Will be interesting to see what Eric Staal does and where he goes.
Who knows the level of truth, but thought I'd share given that it was from a poster who seems to have a very strong track record over there.
Couple NYR points...
All the armchair GM's are hating on him for not making moves, I am hating on him, but not for that reason. He made a big stink about shaking the team up, no one is safe, all that lip service. So now the fan base has completely turned on Nash, Staal, and G, they are going into next year in an uncomfortable position (just wait until one of them takes a penalty, or Nash goes 3 games without scoring-- reality in New York).
Not only that, but we trot out some team that is 95% the same with the only big difference being the Russian. I think that is a great fucking idea, basically put all the pressure on him to be the difference between a shitty team who lost in the first round and a team with a legit cup shot?
At this point, the only way we get rid of Staal or G is if Kreider or Stepan are paired with one of them. I really would love to move one of those contracts but it is not reality. I would rather keep them if it means we trade 20 or 21 for anything besides a giant return. And at this point, what is the point of clearing a bunch of cap room?
This team is too loyal and it ALWAYS FUCKS THEM, as it is now, as it will in a couple years with Hank. Staal and G contracts were insane and should have NEVER been given to them. This team because of Hank, and because they are an NY team, CANNOT REBUILD. We just can't not be competitive. Well in the NHL, that completely fucks you. Us fielding a team with no real shot of the cup is the worst case scenario. It would be better if we blew it up and started again, but with Hank that will NEVER happen.
Here is my grim, grim, grim prediction. We field a similar team next year, maybe finding a Nash trade partner, but no chance we move G or Staal unless it is a buyout. They miss the playoffs and then are faced with a ridiculous crossroads. It is at this point that Hank waves his NMC next offseason to go to a contender, we blow it up and start over. A season and a half too fucking late.
would be the icing on the cake for a career-ending or at least tenure-ending GM role for Bergevin in MTL.
Overpaying an average but not elite forward. Should have just kept Lars Eller.
Some late rumors Devils may still be going after Eriksson.
I'm intrigued where Nielsen goes. He's getting up in age but he reminds of Patty Elias. Such a solid finesse and skill forward he could age better than most.
Rangers are in a tough spot with their group. They've had a terrific five or six year run now.
Some late rumors Devils may still be going after Eriksson.
I'm intrigued where Nielsen goes. He's getting up in age but he reminds of Patty Elias. Such a solid finesse and skill forward he could age better than most.
Rangers are in a tough spot with their group. They've had a terrific five or six year run now.
I heard that about Okposo I also heard Stamkos wanted to "go home" to Toronto, sure there's a money discrepancy in the exchange rate but at 115M vs 110M does it really make a career altering decision?
these guys almost all, like all athletes, will follow the money.
but the Oilers seem like the front-runner.
I'd love Lucic on the Habs, the Bruins games would be nuts, but that seems weird. Almost like if DeSean Jackson played for the Giants.
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but the Oilers seem like the front-runner.
I'd love Lucic on the Habs, the Bruins games would be nuts, but that seems weird. Almost like if DeSean Jackson played for the Giants.
#RedWings have signed Darren Helm for five years at a $3.85 million cap hit.
#RedWings have signed Darren Helm for five years at a $3.85 million cap hit.
what are you doing here???
The all-mighty Rangers have their own FA thread!!! Leave us pee-ons alone!
Ladd cancelled his trip to Detroit today. Good news Islanders fans!
NEW THREAD: RANGERS SIGN 4TH LINER WHO WILL PLAY IN HARTFORD
URGENT!!
This makes the fucking Subban trade more perplexing. Trade out your superstar because of "character issues" and bring in a headache like Radulov?
If the Landeskog rumblings are true, and the Avalanche want to move him (or Duchesne), Snow better be on that.
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Montreal has signed Radulov, apparently.
This makes the fucking Subban trade more perplexing. Trade out your superstar because of "character issues" and bring in a headache like Radulov?
right?
perplexing
Detroit was trying to get Radulov, too. Typically they bring in character guys. Maybe he's changed? who knows.
If the Landeskog rumblings are true, and the Avalanche want to move him (or Duchesne), Snow better be on that.
If COL wants NHL ready talent, that maybe tough.
Islanders have a plethora of A talent prospects, but Roy seems to want to improve the team NOW.
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Montreal has signed Radulov, apparently.
This makes the fucking Subban trade more perplexing. Trade out your superstar because of "character issues" and bring in a headache like Radulov?
there were no character issues with Subban, dude was the most beloved Canadian athlete in forever, it was a coach/player issue - Therrien did not like Subban's style - and I have hated Therrien forever, but sadly in MTL the coach wins...see Patrick Roy.
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But still more work to do. Hopefully Detroit is out on Nielsen now.
If the Landeskog rumblings are true, and the Avalanche want to move him (or Duchesne), Snow better be on that.
If COL wants NHL ready talent, that maybe tough.
Islanders have a plethora of A talent prospects, but Roy seems to want to improve the team NOW.
Give them Bailey, a 1st and Dal Colle. Bailey is useless and you rid yourself of some money.
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but the Oilers seem like the front-runner.
I'd love Lucic on the Habs, the Bruins games would be nuts, but that seems weird. Almost like if DeSean Jackson played for the Giants.
Also hearing Wiese back to MTL. pj, I know the Habs want more sandpaper, but hasn't that ship sailed?
they loved Wiese, they traded him because they were out of contention. I hated Wiese.
this team is becoming a lot less likable every day.
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But still more work to do. Hopefully Detroit is out on Nielsen now.
If the Landeskog rumblings are true, and the Avalanche want to move him (or Duchesne), Snow better be on that.
If COL wants NHL ready talent, that maybe tough.
Islanders have a plethora of A talent prospects, but Roy seems to want to improve the team NOW.
You can't take what Roy says today, as what he says tomorrow. He is a different character. He may decide to rebuild with prospects instead.
At least I hope he does.
Noon.
#isles will lose 1,573 games of franchise experience with Okposo, Nielsen and Martin leaving today. Big changes.
Has to mean that Ladd is joining the Isles.
Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie ...Rangers have hired Jeff Beukeboom as assistant coach, Post has learned. Announcement expected today.
Not the 4th line Hartford center buuuuttt our obsession with 94. I thought we'd keep one thread too! Enjoy the madness today, fellas.
Bob McKenzie on TSN: "There's talk Ladd may have gotten a 7-year deal.." Not official, but belief is he'll sign with #NYI.
Again strong likelihood Ladd goes to the Islanders. Okposo to the Sabres and Eriksson to the Canucks. Confirmation will come after paperwork.
Bob McKenzie on TSN: "There's talk Ladd may have gotten a 7-year deal.." Not official, but belief is he'll sign with #NYI.
7 year deal? No way.
It must be. Right? Right?
Seems like it since Weber was the team captain who had major issues and public comments critical of Radulov when he missed curfew in the playoffs for the preds - and was benched.
Going to miss him, especially in PSs.
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And Friedman as well; Isles and Fransie parting ways.
Going to miss him, especially in PSs.
And on the PK though I guess Ladd can contribute there.
Hopefully it means a bigger role for Ledddy and Pulock on the power play.
Yea sure. You are so full of shit. If he signed with the Rags for that you would be raising the cup in 2017. Suck it.
years are the price for the discount
Frans is probably going to get over $6M in Detroit
Okposo will make WHO knows what in Buffalo
Yeah it's too long a term but I'd prefer it to Okposo for 7 at 7m.
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If Ladd gets like 5.5 per for 7 years I'd want nothing to do with that.
years are the price for the discount
Frans is probably going to get over $6M in Detroit
Okposo will make WHO knows what in Buffalo
Yeah I would rather give AAV over term though. This is backwards for a player like Ladd. I'd rather give him like 6.25 for 4 years (even that's kind of an overpay IMO) than over 5 for 7.
Welcome to Brooklyn?
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He now hits the open market.
Welcome to Brooklyn?
it's a fit, but... they will need to make a trade.
Buffalo?
Florida?
those two are active
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Reimer thinking over a 5 year deal from an EC team.
Buffalo?
Florida?
those two are active
Why would Florida make that offer with Luongo under contract for like 6 more seasons?
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Reimer thinking over a 5 year deal from an EC team.
Buffalo?
Florida?
those two are active
Why would Florida make that offer with Luongo under contract for like 6 more seasons?
I just don't see Reimer as a starter..that said, you're right. Who gives 5 years to a backup.
Ericksson a Canuck 6 years
Lucic an Oiler
see? I'm not SO dumb!
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Reimer thinking over a 5 year deal from an EC team.
Buffalo?
Florida?
those two are active
Why would Florida make that offer with Luongo under contract for like 6 more seasons?
I just don't see Reimer as a starter..that said, you're right. Who gives 5 years to a backup.
Well the Isles have employed a back up or the last 10 years.
Luongo is 37.. in goalie years, he's like 74. It's not a bad deal for them.
Khudobin back to Boston.
I am going to say it's unlikely that Edmonton is battling for the #1 pick again in the 2017 draft. Neither will Buffalo.
Khudobin back to Boston.
I am going to say it's unlikely that Edmonton is battling for the #1 pick again in the 2017 draft. Neither will Buffalo.
7/$42 for Lucic. I think EDM did well there.
To Detroit
Panthers putting together a solid team.
Supposedly Isles offered 6 yrs at slightly more than 30
yep.. 1 year deal, though.
Saw somewhere 5 for 6 million per
Good, I like Backes, but he's old already.
Between Backes and Krug, hopefully that's a big dent in Boston's cap money and no defensive help.
and they lost Ericcson.
$3.5/year
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3 years in MN
$3.5/year
Reunite the Staal brothers, Minnesota!
K Okposo (Buf)- 7 yrs/$6 per
D Backes (Bos)- 5 yrs/$6 per
J Michael Liles (Bos)- 1yr/$2 mil
J Reimer (Fla)- 5 yrs/$3.4 per
M Lucic (Edm)- 7 yrs/$6 per
A Ladd (NYI)- 7 yrs/$5.5 per
B Campbell (Chi)- 1 yr/$2 mil
F Nielsen (Det)- 6 yrs/$5.25 per
L Erikkson (Van)- 6 yrs/$6 per
D Perron (StL)- 2 yrs/$3.75 per
E Staal (Min)- 3 yrs/$3.5 per
C Hutton (StL)- 2 yrs/$1.125 per
D Wiese (Phi)- 4 yrs/$2 per
T Gilbert (LAK)- 1 yr/$1.4 per
All from HFBoards
he's 37, but still flying around. he's ALSO still putting up numbers. I like this signing a lot.
so basically if Price goes down again, the Habs are looking for the #1 pick in 2017.
TB is going to be legit for a while.
so basically if Price goes down again, the Habs are looking for the #1 pick in 2017.
I don't get it Montoya is a solid backup and for only 950K that is a good deal as well.
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sign Al Montoya, WTF? 950k.
so basically if Price goes down again, the Habs are looking for the #1 pick in 2017.
I don't get it Montoya is a solid backup and for only 950K that is a good deal as well.
But given the Canadiens history and reliance so heavily on a goalie I'd have been happier with a Reimer, Jake Allen, etc. type who can start long-term in the event of injury.
Al Montoya is a 15-20 game goalie max and you figure you'll lose half of those games.
Couldn't agree more.
Spin city going on here, folks
There is no one on the FA market to replace him. I would expect a trade before the summer is out.
From the TSN interview, Frans made it sound like the money was even but he wanted a new opportunity and he likes the Red Wings style. This is somewhat damning of the isle organization imo. Lifelong islander who supposedly loves it here leaves for less $$
There is no one on the FA market to replace him. I would expect a trade before the summer is out.
From the TSN interview, Frans made it sound like the money was even but he wanted a new opportunity and he likes the Red Wings style. This is somewhat damning of the isle organization imo. Lifelong islander who supposedly loves it here leaves for less $$
Totally agree.
Tyutin to COL, 1yr 2M
Habs sign Sergachev to 3 yrs ELC, sign Daniel Carr to 2 yr deal.
NYI and DET out on Martin, TOR looking like the landing spot.
Well...bye.
Well...bye.
Well...bye.
Was just going to post this. THANK GOD!!!!
There is no one on the FA market to replace him. I would expect a trade before the summer is out.
From the TSN interview, Frans made it sound like the money was even but he wanted a new opportunity and he likes the Red Wings style. This is somewhat damning of the isle organization imo. Lifelong islander who supposedly loves it here leaves for less $$
He also said he wanted to be around new COACHES.
The Devils should add a new backup goalie for 1 year as Kinkaid really struggled last year unless Scott Wedgewood is ready. He did play great in the four games he played in last season but obviously it was a small sample size. Al Montoya would have been a great signing at only 950K if Wedgewood needed more seasoning in the AHL.
Cizikas moves up to replace Nielsen
Chimera replaced Martin
More work to do. A trade for a winger?
The Devils should add a new backup goalie for 1 year as Kinkaid really struggled last year unless Scott Wedgewood is ready. He did play great in the four games he played in last season but obviously it was a small sample size. Al Montoya would have been a great signing at only 950K if Wedgewood needed more seasoning in the AHL.
naaa no to Vanek. He's not coming here for peanuts and he's about 3 years removed from any kind of top scoring. The back-up goalie situation is fine, they don't play that much any way. Perfectly fine with Shero mainly sitting out the first day as the $ and years being thrown around is crazy. Lou getting involved with that crap is what got us in trouble. We are in a great situation with the cap, and Shero has made some superb trades the past few years. I like that he locked up his RFA's except for Palmieri so far and that will get done. Probably would have preferred keeping Schlemko instead of signing Lovejoy, but that's splitting hairs. I'm betting he' not done this off season. He'll probably have another nice move or 2. He's put us in position to seriously challenge for a playoff spot for the first time in a few years.
I agree. Chimera is a big upgrade over Martin, even at 37. And I love Martin. Chimera paired with Clutterbuck will have opposing fans despising the Isles...
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I agree. Chimera is a big upgrade over Martin, even at 37. And I love Martin. Chimera paired with Clutterbuck will have opposing fans despising the Isles...
We already do ;)
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Martin doesn't even have 20 in the last 2 years combined.
I agree. Chimera is a big upgrade over Martin, even at 37. And I love Martin. Chimera paired with Clutterbuck will have opposing fans despising the Isles...
I'm sure Clutterbuck will be just as effective without her husband around..
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Nope
Andrew Shaw replaces Lars Eller (wash IMO)
Weber replaces Subban (for this year probably a wash)
Radulov (d-bag, but a talent nonetheless - said all the right stuff in interviews and Bergevin allegedly talked to Weber about it first)
Montoya replaces Lindgren/Scrivens/Condon (I'm not a huge Montoya fan, but he's better than those three)
but that team's success or failure will be determined by Carey Price.
and they still need another to 4 D and top 6 forward though Radulov may be that forward.
Yes, the key to all this is Radilov. He is older now, married with kid, so the Habs are hoping he has matured since he left. We shall see. With Price coming back healthy, Habs should be fine.
Yes, the key to all this is Radulov. He is older now, married with kid, so the Habs are hoping he has matured since he left. We shall see. With Price coming back healthy, Habs should be fine.
Shaw may have more grit, not sure how that's measured, but every advanced stat out there says Eller was better defensively (and they were very similar offensively - though Shaw played with much better players) and Subban was better in every meausurable way than Weber except ironically the PP and goals scored (which are what I felt were PK's strength). Especially getting the puck out of the zone, which if you watched the SC playoffs at all, that's the recipe the Pens used to win, their D were excellent at transition. Subban great at it, Weber not so great at it.
However I agree the key is Radulov, he's a potential top 6 forward on a very low-risk contract. Good thing is it's just a 1-year deal, bad thing is it's just a 1-year deal.
I also like the fact the Canadiens re-signed Carr to a very low 2-year deal and an under the radar signing was D-man Zach Redmond from the Avs. He'll be in the mix for a top 6 spot. Habs are deep with mediocre quality at the blue line. After Weber and Markov (who is 100 years old) Emelin, Petry, Pateryn, Beaulieu, Redmond, Barbeiro, all can play at the NHL level to varying degrees.
Plus, from a draft standpoint they nailed the Sergachev pick, I love that kid, he's going to be a stud, and he's already signed to an EL contract, but no chance IMO he makes the team this year, maybe next year.
The Habs once again will live and die with Price.
Which is fine, if he's healthy.
BREAKING: #Panthers set to sign Jason Demers to a 5-year, $22.5 million contract
FLA still going nuts with signings...Trocheck getting 6 yrs, $4.75M AAV (source: E. Friedman). I wouldn't mind a guy like Huberdeau eventually shaking loose. His contract is up after this upcoming season.
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shaw adds more needed grit to Habs than eller. Weber is a better dman than PK and is much more physical, just what the Habs defense lacked. If beauleau can elevate his game next year he should replace PK somewhat in the skills you lost with PK gone. This kid you drafted in round one according to everything I read says he is the real deal. I would not be surprised if he is playing in the NHL when he is 19 because he is so physically developed now.
Yes, the key to all this is Radulov. He is older now, married with kid, so the Habs are hoping he has matured since he left. We shall see. With Price coming back healthy, Habs should be fine.
Shaw may have more grit, not sure how that's measured, but every advanced stat out there says Eller was better defensively (and they were very similar offensively - though Shaw played with much better players) and Subban was better in every meausurable way than Weber except ironically the PP and goals scored (which are what I felt were PK's strength). Especially getting the puck out of the zone, which if you watched the SC playoffs at all, that's the recipe the Pens used to win, their D were excellent at transition. Subban great at it, Weber not so great at it.
However I agree the key is Radulov, he's a potential top 6 forward on a very low-risk contract. Good thing is it's just a 1-year deal, bad thing is it's just a 1-year deal.
I also like the fact the Canadiens re-signed Carr to a very low 2-year deal and an under the radar signing was D-man Zach Redmond from the Avs. He'll be in the mix for a top 6 spot. Habs are deep with mediocre quality at the blue line. After Weber and Markov (who is 100 years old) Emelin, Petry, Pateryn, Beaulieu, Redmond, Barbeiro, all can play at the NHL level to varying degrees.
Plus, from a draft standpoint they nailed the Sergachev pick, I love that kid, he's going to be a stud, and he's already signed to an EL contract, but no chance IMO he makes the team this year, maybe next year.
The Habs once again will live and die with Price.
Which is fine, if he's healthy.
I'm a Leafs fan so I know a bit about your Habs. Basically, our two teams sucked last year but your boys had an excuse- no Price to bail you out. I always thought your team wasn't really much better than my team, except for Price bailing you out game after game. It seemed to me last year, you had a top line and three fourth lines. For your sake, you better hope Shaw and Radilov make a big improvement.
I thought Carr had promise when I saw him. I don't know anything about this Redmond kid. I thought Scrivens was a decent back up goalie so I don't know about Montoya. There was rumor going out that Habs were going to land Lucic but I heard him say, he could not see him wearing a Habs up I after being a Bruin all those years.
I disagree about three 4th lines though. and Montreal's backup goalies were not NHL caliber even for backups so that contributed to their decline last year along with the Gallagher injury.
once they made Galchenyuk a center they had two good lines with zero depth is how I'd say it.
but Gallagher being in and out of the lineup made it so they never really played consistently with two good lines.
Paccioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
Radulov Plekanec Carr (or upgrade)
are two good lines.
Shaw will probably be 3rd line C and Desharnais on 4th line where he belongs and the whole team gets better.
but it's no secret the Canadiens will still live and die with Price for now.
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naaa no to Vanek. He's not coming here for peanuts and he's about 3 years removed from any kind of top scoring. The back-up goalie situation is fine, they don't play that much any way. Perfectly fine with Shero mainly sitting out the first day as the $ and years being thrown around is crazy. Lou getting involved with that crap is what got us in trouble. We are in a great situation with the cap, and Shero has made some superb trades the past few years. I like that he locked up his RFA's except for Palmieri so far and that will get done. Probably would have preferred keeping Schlemko instead of signing Lovejoy, but that's splitting hairs. I'm betting he' not done this off season. He'll probably have another nice move or 2. He's put us in position to seriously challenge for a playoff spot for the first time in a few years.
I am not criticizing the job Shero has done. I will admit I wasn't sure if he was the right choice to fix this team and rebuild the farm system but I am happy to admit I was wrong. He has done a fantastic job thus far and his trade for Palmieri was a steal and the Hall trade will be even better. I agree on Schlemko I would rather have him than Lovejob but it's not a significant loss.
Ducks acquire Jonathan Bernier from TOR for a conditional pick.
that's the kind of goalie the Canadiens should target given their reliance on Price. Not that Bernier is Price, far from it, but he can be a long-term starter. He's started 50+ games before with sub 3 GAA and decent save %.
Ducks acquire Jonathan Bernier from TOR for a conditional pick.
don't forget the Nathan McKinnon contract. 7 years $44M
young kids are getting paid
Feelsy, the MacKinnon deal came in just after I posted the others...too lazy to have gone back to post it. And because of your earlier thread, I'm sitting at the pool listening to some DLR.
Feelsy, the MacKinnon deal came in just after I posted the others...too lazy to have gone back to post it. And because of your earlier thread, I'm sitting at the pool listening to some DLR.
wow... it must be just like livin' in paradise... ha
Snow needs to overwhelm JT.
Feelsy, the MacKinnon deal came in just after I posted the others...too lazy to have gone back to post it. And because of your earlier thread, I'm sitting at the pool listening to some DLR.
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This is a good thing for the Isles, imo.
First, this puts him out of the running to be the next Isles GM.
Second, it never hurts to have a good relationship with another GM when looking ti make a deal. LV may end up with a player or two who could help the Isles.
Lastly, maybe he will spare the Isles of poaching one of its core players that is left unprotected (I know, that is highly unlikely. McPhee will pick the best players available).
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This is a good thing for the Isles, imo.
First, this puts him out of the running to be the next Isles GM.
Second, it never hurts to have a good relationship with another GM when looking ti make a deal. LV may end up with a player or two who could help the Isles.
Lastly, maybe he will spare the Isles of poaching one of its core players that is left unprotected (I know, that is highly unlikely. McPhee will pick the best players available). Link - ( New Window )
Until the AHL and ECHL expand, the LV franchise will probably share with a current team.
That last piece is what I'm counting on. We may see one of those trades with the LV franchise of some lesser piece and picks in favor of them not selecting a certain asset the Isles really want to keep as the expansion draft rolls around.
I admit i am a naive person, but I have to assume the NHL will have checks-and-balances against collusion when it comes to that draft. Teams with a much richer set of young players than the Rangers have a lot of $$$ reasons to make sure the process is above-board.
Here's to hoping they did the right thing and went long term.
Why's that?
BECAUSE OF bridge contracts.. oh.. NM..
Oh well, at least Miller will probably win a cup when he's traded in 2 years.
Toward that end, the expansion team will be allowed to trade any player selected, but players selected in the expansion draft cannot be traded to their previous team until January 1. They will also be prohibited from buying out any players selected until after the 2017-18 season.
It's not that he has definitely proven anything, it's that he's shown enough so far and is still up and coming to try to buy a couple of his free agency years.
Now, if he goes according to plan, he'll cost even more after these two years are up.
Bridge deals might work on a couple guys here and there, but when your first round picks show what he's shown and still has more to give, you lock them up.
I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have taken 5 or 6 years x $4m or $4.25. Maybe even a little less considering how many years he has left until unrestricted.
Going into the offseason, I was reluctantly ok with the idea of not making wholesale changes provided that they got longer term deals done with 2 of Miller/Kreider/Hayes.
At this point I can't deny I'm disappointed.
But they have no cap room because of all these incompetent NMCs handed out like candy by Sather and Gorton is now kicking the can down the road instead of acting boldly because he thinks he'll lose his job if we suck the next year or too (and he might be right)
I think Gorton tried to make a few huge deals but they fell through. Idk wtf they're gonna do now.
That's kinda the point of paying for term a little bit early. You take a little bit of downside risk, you get a better price. In many cases, you also ensure that the duration of the contract falls in the player's prime. Every player is different, but you're generally not paying for years of decline.
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that's not even close to spelled right. two time NCAA Hockey Championship runner up, show some respect and learn to spell their name.
LOL, nope, not closer. Maybe next year when they win the title, you will learn.
or actually their reign could be over, they lose a bunch of kids this year to graduation and pros.
That last batch of rules is partly about keep the drafting teams honest, to avoid the weird shenanigans that can occur around an expansion draft, where the expanding team comes to a deal with another club to select a particular player (someone with an expiring contract or a retiring player, for example) in exchange for something else.
Toward that end, the expansion team will be allowed to trade any player selected, but players selected in the expansion draft cannot be traded to their previous team until January 1. They will also be prohibited from buying out any players selected until after the 2017-18 season.
So, while a team may well lose a player they'd prefer not to, the "backsies" aspect of the trade info would permit a player to be returned to his prior club after Jan 1, likely for a different asset(s) and/or picks. And since the Isles gave McPhee a home for the past couple of years, it'd be interesting to see if he'd make it easier for the Islanders to get back what will likely be Strome or Nelson picked in the draft, dependent on what contingencies the league decides to attach. [/quote]
Couldn't the Islanders say ship a 2nd round pick to LV and in return they'd agree to select someone like Prince? If so, I'd expect something like that to happen.
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LOL, nope, not closer. Maybe next year when they win the title, you will learn.
or actually their reign could be over, they lose a bunch of kids this year to graduation and pros.
DU Pioneers all year baby..
That's the only local team I'm adopting.
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to a 2 year one-way deal. Surprised they needed/wanted to give him the one way
The staff liked his work ethic and skill, so it's another cost-controlled young piece. Also creates available game-ready depth in the event Garth can swing the contracts of some higher paid vets (Bailey, Kulemin, Grabbo). I'm good with this but want to see Quine build on his promising debut.
He's also the kind of guy that if you put him on waivers and lose him it's not a huge loss and really he'd only be on waivers if his little hot streak in the playoffs was a fluke.
Ignoring Pfeffers advice only served to reinforce the notion that Bergevin was following different criteria in his evaluation of both players, said the source, who also suggested Pfeffers vehemence on the matter might have ultimately cost him the job (he was told on Wednesday that his contract wont be renewed). The Canadiens would not comment on why they arent renewing his contract, but they did say that they are looking into other analytics solutions.
#lolHabs
Letting a guy go for disagreeing with you is moronic. Having a good dissenter in the organization helps over time. Bergevin really sucks. Wasting Price.
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Ignoring Pfeffers advice only served to reinforce the notion that Bergevin was following different criteria in his evaluation of both players, said the source, who also suggested Pfeffers vehemence on the matter might have ultimately cost him the job (he was told on Wednesday that his contract wont be renewed). The Canadiens would not comment on why they arent renewing his contract, but they did say that they are looking into other analytics solutions.
#lolHabs
Letting a guy go for disagreeing with you is moronic. Having a good dissenter in the organization helps over time. Bergevin really sucks. Wasting Price. Sportsnet - ( New Window )
Rangers should hire him and then watch him have a meltdown over Tanner Glass
How and Why is Weber on Canada's WC team - one of the first names announced, and Subban not even on the snub list?
Subban was only 21 for one of the Olympics, but the other he was reigning Norris winner, still couldn't crack the lineup.
the answer is irrelevant, the trade can't be undone, and Weber isn't Scott Gomez, have to hope the team is better and most of all Carey Price is healthy.
Supposedly, it has nothing to do with being able to be sent to the AHL. All a 1 way contract does is guarantee he'll be getting the same salary whether he's with the big club or the minors. A 2 way contract would allow the club to pay a player less in the minors.
Having to go on waivers is something else.
Weber's still a very good player even if you think Subban's better (I do). And you can think the trade is awful while still liking Weber a lot and appreciating his game. But the age difference is such a deal breaker - plus, Weber is showing signs of deteriorating already.
Subban was only better really with advanced stats. the two players were pretty close otherwise, yet for some reasons weber has far more accolades and recognition.
I look forward to watching AV further screw this kid's career and waste potential.
May not sound like much, but a good PK'er and one possible step closer in Operation: NO MAS TANNER GLASS. Likely the 4th line C while Lindberg is out.
May not sound like much, but a good PK'er and one possible step closer in Operation: NO MAS TANNER GLASS. Likely the 4th line C while Lindberg is out.
Solid signing, but I do wish we'd make a bigger splash. We're a worse team than we were last year (mainly because Yandle is gone and now we're left without a PP QB and a true PMD).
Greg, you are correct that it would probably be more dignified to just give up hope. But the heart wants what it wants.
McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff
Would be a disaster if he gets hurt.
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McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff
Would be a disaster if he gets hurt.
Same rule that set Kristo free i think. Thanks for that bag o shit, pj.
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McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff
Would be a disaster if he gets hurt.
Same rule that set Kristo free i think. Thanks for that bag o shit, pj.
what did I do? I'm sure something, just not too sure of it right now.
Penguins forward visits children's hospital in city where he played six seasons with Maple Leafs
Kessel, who survived testicular cancer after being diagnosed in 2006, was involved with the hospital during his six seasons with the Toronto Maple Leafs from 2009-15.
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isn't that her in the article?
Aaron Ward says Kreider's salary demand is only $4.75M per. That's a very encouraging number.
Aaron Ward says Kreider's salary demand is only $4.75M per. That's a very encouraging number.
I believe the Rangers claim was for 3.5 so Kreider will probably wind up costing us about 4.25
I know agents always start high, but 4.75 seems unrealistic unless this is a 5 year deal. I'm trying to think of some comps out there to Kreider - Brandon Saad was one player that came to mind, but he's produced 25-30 goals in each of the past 2 seasons plus the huge Blackhawks post season. Kreider has been stuck on 20 goals... granted Saad gave up a lot of term to earn that $6 mil a year.
Seth also has a birthday today, IIRC. #oldfucks
The Kreider $4.75M figure was only one year, apparently. A longer term deal might be >$5M.
Seth also has a birthday today, IIRC. #oldfucks
The Kreider $4.75M figure was only one year, apparently. A longer term deal might be >$5M.
I'm both honored and frightened that you knew it was my birthday and how old I was. I don't even have facebook or twitter... that's how old I am.
just glad you didn't start a thread about it - you always square me off against Seth and his thread gets more posts. Even though he's the bigger dick (which is saying something because I'm a strong douche)
he'll be 26 during next year's playoffs, not exactly a kid anymore.
so disappointed I had him pegged for future star. all the tools, his play fluctuates IMO between playing a split second hesitant and slightly out of control and i blame the coach. too much thinking, he's like a nuke in Bull Durham, don't want him thinking, just playing.
should be more dominant. only see flashes. It's a shame.
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Seth also has a birthday today, IIRC. #oldfucks
The Kreider $4.75M figure was only one year, apparently. A longer term deal might be >$5M.
I'm both honored and frightened that you knew it was my birthday and how old I was. I don't even have facebook or twitter... that's how old I am.
just glad you didn't start a thread about it - you always square me off against Seth and his thread gets more posts. Even though he's the bigger dick (which is saying something because I'm a strong douche)
Being a douche is OK. Being a horrible homer is what separates Seth from you.
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Great news. That's not much of a stretch at all - sounds like they are just hammering out details at this point. But above all, NO MORE GODDAMN NMCs in these things. Thanks.
I applaud your quickness with the Julian calendar.
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It would be a real shame not to get something with term done before it starts.
The Rangers and Kevin Hayes have agreed to terms per @NHL_AaronWard
The league average SV% in 2015-16, .915, was the highest since the stat was first recorded in 1982-83
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502! :D
Gonna become a Rangers fan when the Islanders move AGAIN, perhaps this time out of New York?
I'm sure that colosseum Zamboni water will really appreciate in value.
Thanks Fish. You acknowledge the Rangers have a cup in their future, albeit after the Islanders!!!
Rangers have it all but ISISlanders will have a spanking new arena with the Mets!!! Life is good!
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Something to really hang your hats on.
502! :D
Gonna become a Rangers fan when the Islanders move AGAIN, perhaps this time out of New York?
503!
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Is that the airspeed your jokes travel at right before they hit the water?
I miss hockey. :(
I miss hockey. :(
I wonder if it's a situation like the Habs, who let their stats guy go when he went to the mat to argue against the Subban trade.
If Im an owner who is paying an advanced stats guy, realistic chance I want to hear his opinion on any decent sized move the GM proposes. Has to piss off GMs when the stats guys dont back up their moves.
They just didn't renew it. Which is maybe splitting hairs, but technically slightly different.
They're not giving up on analytics, simply hiring a different stats guy which IMO is fine, I know I'm probably a laggard, but a lot of advanced stats in hockey don't pass the eye test to me, and hockey for me is hard to break down and rate a person to an individual metric like baseball since there are far too many variables that impact each players results. It's more of a sum of the parts game like football.
So I get what you're saying.
I saw someone (I can't find it now) tweet that Subban was late for practice like 18 times the past two years.
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Is that the airspeed your jokes travel at right before they hit the water?
My jokes plummet way faster. No life would ever be salvaged.
I saw someone (I can't find it now) tweet that Subban was late for practice like 18 times the past two years.
There is a ton of misinformation floating around now. I heard one report that said because Subban donated $10M to the Montreal Children's Hospital, which is the largest donation in history from a Canadian athlete, the team viewed him as "bigger than the team" and no one could be bigger than the team so they traded him.
Ridiculous.
I never heard the late 18 times thing, and Dave Stubbs who was a habs beat writer for years never mentioned it, but he definitely did have a "brand" and he was intent on building that brand, but that's why he was so popular IMO.
I was told by an NHL source last week that PK Subban was late for practice on 18 occasions as a Hab.That's about 16 times too many.
(McKeen's chief amateur scout)
This trade is a head scratcher and unless someone inside the organization spills the thought process behind it, people are going to rationalize it for lack of a better explanation.
I believe almost none of them. We know Therrien was at odds with Subban, he called him out after several losses, the Avs the most blatant. My belief and you know I'm not fan of him, is MTL struggles to get coaches who fit in culturally as well as x's and o's so they are hesitant to fire Therrien since in theory he meets both.
I hate the system and think the man is way overrated as a coach, and I believe he influenced the trade more than anyone is letting on.
#rangers Sergey Zborovskiy: 3 years / $633 000 AAV + $278 000 SB (2 way) #tvasports
It's like some statnerd Rangers fans and Zherdev - they refuse to entertain the notion that maybe, just maybe, he really was a lazy floater and that's why he's out of the NHL despite his prodigious talent.
It's like some statnerd Rangers fans and Zherdev - they refuse to entertain the notion that maybe, just maybe, he really was a lazy floater and that's why he's out of the NHL despite his prodigious talent.
Seguin.
I liked Zherdev. I get why the Rangers didn't and don't think the Rangers were dumb for what they did. And I liked the Tyutin for Zherdev risk even though it didn't work out.
I know I've posted this before, but an 'analysis' like this makes me rolls my eyes (RE: Seguin).
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It's like some statnerd Rangers fans and Zherdev - they refuse to entertain the notion that maybe, just maybe, he really was a lazy floater and that's why he's out of the NHL despite his prodigious talent.
So you're pro grit?
I liked Zherdev. I get why the Rangers didn't and don't think the Rangers were dumb for what they did. And I liked the Tyutin for Zherdev risk even though it didn't work out.
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Yes, I've seen that.
the prevailing theory in beantown is that was 100% scripted damage control. they knew they were trading him and as I've mentioned for other reasons - none that warranted trading him IMO, and this is for the fans. and they made the situation worse.
the fact Chiarelli has another job is astonishing to me. I guess you win a cup and it means you get GM or executive roles the rest of your life. part of the reason I dislike AV is the Canucks choke job.
Chiarelli traded away Kessel, Seguin, Boychuk, and "forced" the trade of Hamilton and Lucic by giving out way too big contracts to Krejci and Chara (and even Rask IMO).
Love Pastrnak though, he's going to be a super star.
Of course, Boston quickly turned into an elite possession team after that Cup run. So he may have done a great job for a few years, but his recent moves in EDM and prior in Boston were awful IMO.
To more seriously respond, the advanced stats (which arent perfect) should reflect everything you bring to the ice. They dont reflect talent or grit or something else. Just production. If you grit makes you more productive, your stats reflect it. If your laziness makes your 1st line talent produce like a 2nd liner, the stats reflect it.
Now, you can question the stats, no doubt. I think they're still in their infancy. But there are strong correlations between the shot stats and successful teams (especially predicting playoff success). The advanced stats shouldnt be dismissed because "you cant measure heart" (not putting that argument into Greg's mouth). The counter is that "well if heart helps you win hockey games and have positive outcomes, you can measure it; if it does not, it doesnt matter".
I think a lot of the things 'grit' guys do well (hits, blocked shots) aren't necessarily conducive to winning - not to say you don't need those aspects, but those shouldn't be the primary characteristics brought to the table.
I never suggested dismissing them either, only that I'm not convinced the NHL can be boiled down to individual value like WAR in baseball. with so many people on the ice at the same time, so many variables happening in an action sport like hockey I'm not convinced yet that single value metrics are reliable or an indicator of future results.
Taken as data points and input into the decision making process, sure, but as reliable measures and predictors I'm not there yet (and it's entirely possible it's me not the stats)
I think a lot of the things 'grit' guys do well (hits, blocked shots) aren't necessarily conducive to winning - not to say you don't need those aspects, but those shouldn't be the primary characteristics brought to the table.
I think it depends on how the grit guy plays. I think fighting does nothing. Hits? I think they matter. Smart hits can cause turnovers. They can cause guys to play hand grenade with the puck. But some of the well known hitters are guys who try to hit everything that moves and will get out of position to do it. I also think a critical mass of hitters can have a really big effect. E.g. the Torts teams that were like playing sandpaper. Players didnt want to hit the ice against us.
As for blocked shots, I think they're really helpful. Again, if you do them well. I also dont consider that to be grit play (though I do associate them because we had those gritty shot blockers on the Torts teams).
PIT (2nd)
CHI (4th)
LAK (1st)
CHI (2nd)
LAK (1st)
BOS (10th)
CHI (1st)
PIT (19th)
DET (1st)
ANA (3rd)
I believe if you whittle it down to the final 20 games CF% the predictive value is even higher (I think PIT was #1 since 01/01/2016, for example).
I saw someone made a WAR-stat for goaltenders, but I haven't read enough about it to have an opinion (Lundqvist looked great on it, though).
I agree it gets trickier when you get down to individual skaters. Especially given how clustered most of the league is.
PIT (2nd)
CHI (4th)
LAK (1st)
CHI (2nd)
LAK (1st)
BOS (10th)
CHI (1st)
PIT (19th)
DET (1st)
ANA (3rd)
I believe if you whittle it down to the final 20 games CF% the predictive value is even higher (I think PIT was #1 since 01/01/2016, for example).
I saw someone made a WAR-stat for goaltenders, but I haven't read enough about it to have an opinion (Lundqvist looked great on it, though).
I agree it gets trickier when you get down to individual skaters. Especially given how clustered most of the league is.
But LA was by far the CF% leader last year, MTL was 10th. LA was terrible in the playoffs. LA had like 9 of the top 10 individual players in CF% (I filtered to min of 800 min figuring only players who averaged 10 min per game so regular shifts). That has to be a record. No?
and MTL being 10th in almost any stat that is supposed to be predictive of success still needs work. they were the 10th worst team in the league, not 10th best.
I'm definitely not enunciating my position well-enough. I'm not saying those things aren't important at all. A well-time blocked shot can save a game. Hockey's such an interesting game because you can contribute in so many different ways. But I'm skeptical when a player's primary contribution in the defensive end is blocking shots as opposed to denying zone entries, retrieving the puck in the corner, etc., etc.
I think the Habs were dragged down by shit goaltending. Their PDO was below-average, and SV% was well below-average. Average goaltending probably makes them a playoff team last season.
To me grit isn't fighting, they have guys for that, it's not just hits either.
Grit to me is cycling through the corners physically (not passively like Kessel), it's forechecking with your balls to the wall to force a defenseman into a breakout pass he doesn't want to make that gets picked off by a guy like Kessel standing on the half boards, it's standing in front of the net in the offensive zone to screen the goalie knowing your going to be hammered by a defenseman and the play could result in a rebound going right to your teammate as you occupy the goalie's attention as well as defenseman, or blocking shots in the defensive zone, backchecking to maybe not get the puck carrier but getting the trailer to force the puck carrier to shoot or make a pass he didn't want to make.
taking a hit on the breakout that frees up a guy that you can hit on a pass off the boards or even up the middle.
I'm not sure how any of that is measured, but it's not as flippant as "you can't measure heart", but you need guys like that on championship teams. Gritty players can be on offense and defense.
Per multiple reports Maxim Lapierre will get a tryout deal with the @NYRangers
Wat?
Here is one of the cool responses from Tavares: "Yeah obviously there's a lot of stuff floating out there. But I've always told people, until you've played there, been there, been around the team, been around the organization, our fan-base, you really don't know what it's like. There's a lot of opinions that are really far off. [They] don't really have a good pulse of what's going on, or what the organization is all about. And they drafted me there, gave me a great opportunity to play this game that I love and fulfill my dream. Obviously they've put a lot of high expectations in to me and I don't take that lightly, and I've always enjoyed being there from day one. So I would love to see it through and lift the Stanley Cup there."
Yeah I get it, what else was he going to say, blah, blah, blah. But coming from Tavares, it is believable. He is a humble and loyal superstar. And he is kindly telling that sh*t stain organization to stop dreaming.
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In the spirit of FEKker's math exercise above.... 700 days and counting baby. Cant wait to pair him with the real JT at the world's most frustrating famous Arena in Fall 2018!
"Trevor asked LeBron if he would be in Cleveland after next season," the source said. "And LeBron said, 'I'll be there. Of course, I'll be there.'"
Spoiler: HE LEFT.
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In the spirit of FEKker's math exercise above.... 700 days and counting baby. Cant wait to pair him with the real JT at the world's most frustrating famous Arena in Fall 2018!
JT will not make it through another 365 days without a contract extension.
I think it was a huge mistake not to get Hall - an aging Andrew Ladd isn't exciting enough to stick around (at least relative to what's out there, IMV). Maybe one of your younger prospects is exciting enough, I don't know them well-enough (I am high on Strome, though).
And I'm not concern trolling - I hope he leaves and you guys perpetually suck.
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In the spirit of FEKker's math exercise above.... 700 days and counting baby. Cant wait to pair him with the real JT at the world's most frustrating famous Arena in Fall 2018!
JT will not make it through another 365 days without a contract extension.
Well that settles it.. I mean, I'm totally convinced based on how well all 4,000 of your previous bold proclamations of Islander glory has worked out...
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In the spirit of FEKker's math exercise above.... 700 days and counting baby. Cant wait to pair him with the real JT at the world's most frustrating famous Arena in Fall 2018!
JT will not make it through another 365 days without a contract extension.
Well that settles it.. I mean, I'm totally convinced based on how well all 4,000 of your previous bold proclamations of Islander glory has worked out...
They worked out better than your Rags last year. I was a year off. I predicted they would end up better than the Rags last year and they did. They won a playoff series. Winning a series is not a big deal to some franchises but, it helps get the monkey off the back. This is a very big year for this franchise. I believe they will be in contention for the Cup this year. There is no way they are going to let their franchise player go into the last year of his contract without extending him. He is by far the most important player to that team. The new ownership is not going to screw this up.
In the spirit of FEKker's math exercise above.... 700 days and counting baby. Cant wait to pair him with the real JT at the world's most frustrating famous Arena in Fall 2018!
He's going to be a Ranger. I've already wrapped my head around it. Congrats.
Again, out of curiosity - hope your summer is going well.
Thanks Greg - I won't bore you guys with questions of yesteryear. I frequent these threads and I always see these references.
NYI probably in the tier right below PIT/TB/WSH which means they'll be in the mix.
NYI probably in the tier right below PIT/TB/WSH which means they'll be in the mix.
The Islanders have new management, new assets and prospects that can be moved at the deadline to help them in the playoffs. They are in a very good position right now, much better than the Rangers.
They are in a very good position right now, much better than the Rangers.
You've literally said this every year since I joined this site.
Being in a better position than the Rangers =/= being a contender
In 2018 JT will be 28. He'll be 10 years too young for the Rangers.
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One of which featured the Panthers getting whistled for more penalties in the 2nd OT than the Islanders did in the entire game.
In the same game the Panthers were given an OT penalty shot. And failed to convert.
The penalty shot call was clear as day. Game 5 was poorly called.
The most egregious moment of the series though was end of game 6 when Reilly Smith was walking in for an empty net goal to seal the game, was tripped from behind... and no call. I guess professional hockey players just trip over their own skates in those moments though /derp
Was probably the best series of the first round - that or Blues/Hawks... was a shame the refs tainted it the way they called at the very least game 6.
The penalty shot call was clear as day. Game 5 was poorly called.
The most egregious moment of the series though was end of game 6 when Reilly Smith was walking in for an empty net goal to seal the game, was tripped from behind... and no call. I guess professional hockey players just trip over their own skates in those moments though /derp
Was probably the best series of the first round - that or Blues/Hawks... was a shame the refs tainted it the way they called at the very least game 6.
Depends on how you want to define cup contender. If you want to define contender as only the best 3-5 teams, that's fine and you're right.
I'd rather consider those few teams the favorites, and then the next group of teams the contenders. Making the 2nd round means you were in the last 8, so not a stretch to call them a contender IMO.
And no mention of the first 3 games where the Isles got hosed a bunch of times the biggest of which was Matt Martin getting slashed and then being called for slashing. If I remember correctly there was another terrible call against Martin and one terrible noncall when JT was hacked to shit. There were bad calls across the series. We had it coming though after Cappy purposely screwed the Rangers on the last game of the regular season.