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Sammo85 : 7/1/2016 7:46 am
Isles and Devils will probably be active. Should see some more trades too either today or next week once the dominoes settle.

Okposo, Nielsen rumored to be looking elsewhere. Isles supposedly looking at Andrew Ladd. Also some talk they might be willing to take Vanek back provided it's low risk and low term.

Devils need to bring in at least another forward and a defenseman. Some rumors they have checked in on Nielsen and also Matt Martin for a 4th line role too. Okposo and Eriksson probably too high for the Devils liking.

Do Rangers pull off a trade today? Still some Stepan rumblings out there with the Wild if they can't sign one of the forwards in free agency.

Will be interesting to see what Eric Staal does and where he goes.
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In regards to the Expansion Draft:  
JayBinQueens : 7/13/2016 1:08 pm : link
How will LV create it's minor league roster (will it even have an AHL team?)
RE: In regards to the Expansion Draft:  
Jim in Scranton : 7/13/2016 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13031421 JayBinQueens said:
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How will LV create it's minor league roster (will it even have an AHL team?)


Until the AHL and ECHL expand, the LV franchise will probably share with a current team.
RE: RE: George McPhee expected to be named GM  
MetsAreBack : 7/13/2016 4:25 pm : link
In comment 13031190 pganut said:
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That last piece is what I'm counting on. We may see one of those trades with the LV franchise of some lesser piece and picks in favor of them not selecting a certain asset the Isles really want to keep as the expansion draft rolls around.



I admit i am a naive person, but I have to assume the NHL will have checks-and-balances against collusion when it comes to that draft. Teams with a much richer set of young players than the Rangers have a lot of $$$ reasons to make sure the process is above-board.
Rangers have agreed to terms with JT Miller  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2016 4:33 pm : link
Waiting to hear #s.

Here's to hoping they did the right thing and went long term.
2 years @ $2.625m  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2016 4:35 pm : link
This FO just does not get the joke. They're going to pay through their fucking noses 2 years from now.
and the bridge contracts continue  
Greg from LI : 7/13/2016 4:36 pm : link
Penny wise and pound foolish, like always
/facepalm  
NYerInMA : 7/13/2016 4:40 pm : link
Our team is run by idiots.
......  
Davisian : 7/13/2016 4:46 pm : link
BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAP ROOM


Why's that?


BECAUSE OF bridge contracts.. oh.. NM..


Oh well, at least Miller will probably win a cup when he's traded in 2 years.

Nice bridge  
Giants2012 : 7/13/2016 5:02 pm : link
Good lord
Maybe I'm in the minority  
JoeMoney19 : 7/13/2016 5:31 pm : link
but I don't think Miller's proven he's worth a long-term contract yet.
RE: RE: RE: George McPhee expected to be named GM  
pganut : 7/13/2016 5:52 pm : link
In comment 13031719 MetsAreBack said:
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I admit i am a naive person, but I have to assume the NHL will have checks-and-balances against collusion when it comes to that draft. Teams with a much richer set of young players than the Rangers have a lot of $$$ reasons to make sure the process is above-board.
I'm sure there will be, but it's also a fact trades are permitted. This was from the recent article "Expansion Draft Rules Gain Clarity" on The Hockey Writers website:
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That last batch of rules is partly about keep the drafting teams honest, to avoid the weird shenanigans that can occur around an expansion draft, where the expanding team comes to a deal with another club to select a particular player (someone with an expiring contract or a retiring player, for example) in exchange for something else.

Toward that end, the expansion team will be allowed to trade any player selected, but players selected in the expansion draft cannot be traded to their previous team until January 1. They will also be prohibited from buying out any players selected until after the 2017-18 season.
So, while a team may well lose a player they'd prefer not to, the "backsies" aspect of the trade info would permit a player to be returned to his prior club after Jan 1, likely for a different asset(s) and/or picks. And since the Isles gave McPhee a home for the past couple of years, it'd be interesting to see if he'd make it easier for the Islanders to get back what will likely be Strome or Nelson picked in the draft, dependent on what contingencies the league decides to attach.
RE: Maybe I'm in the minority  
Davisian : 7/13/2016 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13031792 JoeMoney19 said:
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but I don't think Miller's proven he's worth a long-term contract yet.


It's not that he has definitely proven anything, it's that he's shown enough so far and is still up and coming to try to buy a couple of his free agency years.

Now, if he goes according to plan, he'll cost even more after these two years are up.

Bridge deals might work on a couple guys here and there, but when your first round picks show what he's shown and still has more to give, you lock them up.

Now would have been an absolutely great time  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2016 6:06 pm : link
To purchase term on JT.

I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have taken 5 or 6 years x $4m or $4.25. Maybe even a little less considering how many years he has left until unrestricted.

Going into the offseason, I was reluctantly ok with the idea of not making wholesale changes provided that they got longer term deals done with 2 of Miller/Kreider/Hayes.

At this point I can't deny I'm disappointed.

Bridge contracts  
JoeMoney19 : 7/13/2016 7:25 pm : link
for everyone is not a model for sustainable success and I get that. I just wouldn't want to shell out a lot of money for those guys at this point. None of them have proven themselves. Especially Hayes who deserves a bucket of garbage in my opinion.
We still don't know what they'll do with Hayes  
MetsAreBack : 7/13/2016 7:43 pm : link
but JT Miller is precisely the kind of player you make a long-term bet on.

But they have no cap room because of all these incompetent NMCs handed out like candy by Sather and Gorton is now kicking the can down the road instead of acting boldly because he thinks he'll lose his job if we suck the next year or too (and he might be right)
I just don't think Miller  
JoeMoney19 : 7/13/2016 9:08 pm : link
Has shown he can be a consistent top 6 forward yet. Last year was the first year he managed to stay in the lineup.

I think Gorton tried to make a few huge deals but they fell through. Idk wtf they're gonna do now.
When you don't lock guys up  
bigbluehoya : 7/13/2016 9:43 pm : link
Until they're bona fide, consistent, top-6 forwards with multiple years of stats to support the assertion, you pay upwards of $5m per year.

That's kinda the point of paying for term a little bit early. You take a little bit of downside risk, you get a better price. In many cases, you also ensure that the duration of the contract falls in the player's prime. Every player is different, but you're generally not paying for years of decline.
Isles sign Quine  
JayBinQueens : 7/13/2016 10:06 pm : link
to a 2 year one-way deal. Surprised they needed/wanted to give him the one way
RE: Isles sign Quine  
pganut : 7/13/2016 10:36 pm : link
In comment 13031986 JayBinQueens said:
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to a 2 year one-way deal. Surprised they needed/wanted to give him the one way
The staff liked his work ethic and skill, so it's another cost-controlled young piece. Also creates available game-ready depth in the event Garth can swing the contracts of some higher paid vets (Bailey, Kulemin, Grabbo). I'm good with this but want to see Quine build on his promising debut.
lolHabs  
Davisian : 7/14/2016 12:25 pm : link
...
suck it, quinippiac - ( New Window )
RE: lolHabs  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2016 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13032470 Davisian said:
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... suck it, quinippiac - ( New Window )


that's not even close to spelled right. two time NCAA Hockey Championship runner up, show some respect and learn to spell their name.
quinopax  
Davisian : 7/14/2016 12:33 pm : link
..
RE: quinopax  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2016 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13032482 Davisian said:
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LOL, nope, not closer. Maybe next year when they win the title, you will learn.

or actually their reign could be over, they lose a bunch of kids this year to graduation and pros.
RE: RE: RE: RE: George McPhee expected to be named GM  
Metnut : 7/14/2016 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13031816 pganut said:

That last batch of rules is partly about keep the drafting teams honest, to avoid the weird shenanigans that can occur around an expansion draft, where the expanding team comes to a deal with another club to select a particular player (someone with an expiring contract or a retiring player, for example) in exchange for something else.

Toward that end, the expansion team will be allowed to trade any player selected, but players selected in the expansion draft cannot be traded to their previous team until January 1. They will also be prohibited from buying out any players selected until after the 2017-18 season.

So, while a team may well lose a player they'd prefer not to, the "backsies" aspect of the trade info would permit a player to be returned to his prior club after Jan 1, likely for a different asset(s) and/or picks. And since the Isles gave McPhee a home for the past couple of years, it'd be interesting to see if he'd make it easier for the Islanders to get back what will likely be Strome or Nelson picked in the draft, dependent on what contingencies the league decides to attach. [/quote]

Couldn't the Islanders say ship a 2nd round pick to LV and in return they'd agree to select someone like Prince? If so, I'd expect something like that to happen.
Ughh... I blew the formatting  
Metnut : 7/14/2016 12:40 pm : link
sorry!
RE: RE: quinopax  
Davisian : 7/14/2016 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13032490 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13032482 Davisian said:


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LOL, nope, not closer. Maybe next year when they win the title, you will learn.

or actually their reign could be over, they lose a bunch of kids this year to graduation and pros.



DU Pioneers all year baby..

That's the only local team I'm adopting.

RE: RE: Isles sign Quine  
Dave M : 7/14/2016 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13032011 pganut said:
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In comment 13031986 JayBinQueens said:


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to a 2 year one-way deal. Surprised they needed/wanted to give him the one way

The staff liked his work ethic and skill, so it's another cost-controlled young piece. Also creates available game-ready depth in the event Garth can swing the contracts of some higher paid vets (Bailey, Kulemin, Grabbo). I'm good with this but want to see Quine build on his promising debut.


He's also the kind of guy that if you put him on waivers and lose him it's not a huge loss and really he'd only be on waivers if his little hot streak in the playoffs was a fluke.
.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/14/2016 3:51 pm : link
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A source told Sportsnet that Matt Pfeffer, who was hired as an analytics consultant at the beginning of the 2015-16 season, made an impassioned and elaborate presentation to management to dissuade them from following through on this trade.

Ignoring Pfeffer’s advice only served to reinforce the notion that Bergevin was following different criteria in his evaluation of both players, said the source, who also suggested Pfeffer’s vehemence on the matter might have ultimately cost him the job (he was told on Wednesday that his contract won’t be renewed). The Canadiens would not comment on why they aren’t renewing his contract, but they did say that they are looking into other analytics solutions.


#lolHabs

Letting a guy go for disagreeing with you is moronic. Having a good dissenter in the organization helps over time. Bergevin really sucks. Wasting Price.
Sportsnet - ( New Window )
RE: .  
Anakim : 7/14/2016 4:02 pm : link
In comment 13032779 BrettNYG10 said:
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A source told Sportsnet that Matt Pfeffer, who was hired as an analytics consultant at the beginning of the 2015-16 season, made an impassioned and elaborate presentation to management to dissuade them from following through on this trade.

Ignoring Pfeffer’s advice only served to reinforce the notion that Bergevin was following different criteria in his evaluation of both players, said the source, who also suggested Pfeffer’s vehemence on the matter might have ultimately cost him the job (he was told on Wednesday that his contract won’t be renewed). The Canadiens would not comment on why they aren’t renewing his contract, but they did say that they are looking into other analytics solutions.



#lolHabs

Letting a guy go for disagreeing with you is moronic. Having a good dissenter in the organization helps over time. Bergevin really sucks. Wasting Price. Sportsnet - ( New Window )


Rangers should hire him and then watch him have a meltdown over Tanner Glass
I voiced my opinion on the trade already and it hasn't changed  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2016 4:05 pm : link
after my initial 180, but answer me this, if Subban is better in nearly all the "advanced stats" than Weber explain how and why Weber is a top two defenseman on two Canada Gold Medeal Olympic teams and Subban couldn't crack the lineup?

How and Why is Weber on Canada's WC team - one of the first names announced, and Subban not even on the snub list?

Subban was only 21 for one of the Olympics, but the other he was reigning Norris winner, still couldn't crack the lineup.

the answer is irrelevant, the trade can't be undone, and Weber isn't Scott Gomez, have to hope the team is better and most of all Carey Price is healthy.

btw  
JayBinQueens : 7/14/2016 4:26 pm : link
was reading a good write up on reddit about the difference between a 1 way and a 2 way contract.

Supposedly, it has nothing to do with being able to be sent to the AHL. All a 1 way contract does is guarantee he'll be getting the same salary whether he's with the big club or the minors. A 2 way contract would allow the club to pay a player less in the minors.
Having to go on waivers is something else.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 7/14/2016 4:39 pm : link
I don't see why the Olympics have anything to do with the current evaluations of each player. We can say Weber was a better player at the time and still dislike this deal - or conversely, maybe leaving Subban off was a mistake.

Weber's still a very good player even if you think Subban's better (I do). And you can think the trade is awful while still liking Weber a lot and appreciating his game. But the age difference is such a deal breaker - plus, Weber is showing signs of deteriorating already.
eh  
pjcas18 : 7/14/2016 4:51 pm : link
i'm not losing sleep over it. I wouldn't have made the trade, but it's definitely not the worst thing to happen either.

Subban was only better really with advanced stats. the two players were pretty close otherwise, yet for some reasons weber has far more accolades and recognition.

Rangers and McIlrath agree  
bigbluehoya : 7/15/2016 9:43 am : link
On 1 year $800k.

I look forward to watching AV further screw this kid's career and waste potential.
Rangers sign Josh Jooris  
bigbluehoya : 7/15/2016 10:26 am : link
I haven't seen $ yet.

May not sound like much, but a good PK'er and one possible step closer in Operation: NO MAS TANNER GLASS. Likely the 4th line C while Lindberg is out.
Also retaining Tommy Hughes  
bigbluehoya : 7/15/2016 10:28 am : link
One more in the Wolfpack
RE: Rangers sign Josh Jooris  
Anakim : 7/15/2016 11:17 am : link
In comment 13033621 bigbluehoya said:
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I haven't seen $ yet.

May not sound like much, but a good PK'er and one possible step closer in Operation: NO MAS TANNER GLASS. Likely the 4th line C while Lindberg is out.


Solid signing, but I do wish we'd make a bigger splash. We're a worse team than we were last year (mainly because Yandle is gone and now we're left without a PP QB and a true PMD).
.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/15/2016 11:24 am : link
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Operation: NO MAS TANNER GLASS.


Two things will survive a nuclear holocaust  
Greg from LI : 7/15/2016 11:28 am : link
Cockroaches, and Tanner Glass' place in the lineup. You should admit our situation. There would be more dignity in it.
Union college  
Kyle in NY : 7/15/2016 11:32 am : link
Nice!
Against all odds  
bigbluehoya : 7/15/2016 12:22 pm : link
I've managed to retain some hope that a groundswell of anti-Glass sentiment among the front office and any analytics people they may use will overtake AV's ridiculousness on the matter.

Greg, you are correct that it would probably be more dignified to just give up hope. But the heart wants what it wants.
I didn't know this.  
BrettNYG10 : 7/15/2016 3:33 pm : link
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Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff


Would be a disaster if he gets hurt.
RE: I didn't know this.  
Deej : 7/15/2016 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13034125 BrettNYG10 said:
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Quote:


Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff



Would be a disaster if he gets hurt.


Same rule that set Kristo free i think. Thanks for that bag o shit, pj.
TB resigns Killorn  
pganut : 7/17/2016 4:45 pm : link
7 years, $31.15M. Nice signing at that cost. Starting to wonder if TB is printing monopoly money, but I assume Bishop either gets moved prior to the season or certainly after it. Vasilevskiy is their guy, but with players like Kucherov in line for a big ticket deal, they're going to be up against it regarding the cap. However, Killorn's NMC doesn't kick in this year, so he can be exposed in the expansion draft.
RE: RE: I didn't know this.  
pjcas18 : 7/17/2016 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13034129 Deej said:
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In comment 13034125 BrettNYG10 said:


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Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie
McIlrath needs to play in at least 42 games to avoid becoming unrestricted free agent (Group 6) next summer. Has played 38 including playoff



Would be a disaster if he gets hurt.



Same rule that set Kristo free i think. Thanks for that bag o shit, pj.


what did I do? I'm sure something, just not too sure of it right now.
Rangers made some move  
Giants2012 : 7/18/2016 1:48 pm : link
flashed on my phone. Ottawa?
It makes it really hard for me to keep hating Kessel  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2016 6:23 pm : link
when he pulls stunts like this.

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Phil Kessel brings Stanley Cup to Toronto
Penguins forward visits children's hospital in city where he played six seasons with Maple Leafs


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Pittsburgh Penguins forward Phil Kessel brought the Stanley Cup to The Hospital for Sick Children in Toronto on Monday.

Kessel, who survived testicular cancer after being diagnosed in 2006, was involved with the hospital during his six seasons with the Toronto Maple Leafs from 2009-15.



Kessel brings cup to sick kids in Toronto Hospital - ( New Window )
Wonderful story  
Anakim : 7/18/2016 9:34 pm : link
That can we get some pics of Amanda Kessel to offset Phil?
RE: Wonderful story  
pjcas18 : 7/18/2016 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13037268 Anakim said:
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That can we get some pics of Amanda Kessel to offset Phil?


isn't that her in the article?

a couple of Rangers tidbits  
Greg from LI : 7/20/2016 12:43 pm : link
According to Uncle Larry, the Rangers got the 2nd round pick from the Sens in return for waiting until after Brassard's bonus was paid to complete the deal. That would have me rather angry were I an Ottawa fan.

Aaron Ward says Kreider's salary demand is only $4.75M per. That's a very encouraging number.
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