NFT: NHL Free Agency - Discussion/Rumors

In comment 13039324 Greg from LI said:

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According to Uncle Larry, the Rangers got the 2nd round pick from the Sens in return for waiting until after Brassard's bonus was paid to complete the deal. That would have me rather angry were I an Ottawa fan. Aaron Ward says Kreider's salary demand is only $4.75M per. That's a very encouraging number.

I believe the Rangers claim was for 3.5 so Kreider will probably wind up costing us about 4.25

That's a very good price for Kreider on a long term deal, and if he does morph into the 30+ goal guy we've dreamed about he's a total steal.

but as long as we get some term with that number.

I know agents always start high, but 4.75 seems unrealistic unless this is a 5 year deal. I'm trying to think of some comps out there to Kreider - Brandon Saad was one player that came to mind, but he's produced 25-30 goals in each of the past 2 seasons plus the huge Blackhawks post season. Kreider has been stuck on 20 goals... granted Saad gave up a lot of term to earn that $6 mil a year.

Victor Rask, Skinner, Schwartz, Saad... Kreider probably should get $4.75 - 5 million/year over 5-6 years. Hopefully the Rangers stop with these bridge deals and just lock this guy up. Worst thing that can happen is he's still got a team friendly deal you can trade in 2-3 years like they just did with Brassard.

Go check out nursing homes.

Seth also has a birthday today, IIRC. #oldfucks

The Kreider $4.75M figure was only one year, apparently. A longer term deal might be >$5M.

$4.65M per. He did score 30 last year, but that more than doubled his previous career high and he doesn't have anything close to Kreider's physical gifts.

Yeah I think if we were going L/T on Kreider it'd be like 5 per. I would be okay with a 5/25 "gamble" on him.

5 for 24 or 25 mil or even 4 for 20 for Kreider would be a nice deal for both sides. My one concern is how that impacts Miller and Hayes... but can't make everyone happy all of the time.

In comment 13039490 BrettNYG10 said:

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Go check out nursing homes. Seth also has a birthday today, IIRC. #oldfucks The Kreider $4.75M figure was only one year, apparently. A longer term deal might be >$5M.

I'm both honored and frightened that you knew it was my birthday and how old I was. I don't even have facebook or twitter... that's how old I am.

just glad you didn't start a thread about it - you always square me off against Seth and his thread gets more posts. Even though he's the bigger dick (which is saying something because I'm a strong douche)

for Kreider, but my hesitance is that during AV's reign, Kreider might just be this player you've seen the past 4 years.

he'll be 26 during next year's playoffs, not exactly a kid anymore.

so disappointed I had him pegged for future star. all the tools, his play fluctuates IMO between playing a split second hesitant and slightly out of control and i blame the coach. too much thinking, he's like a nuke in Bull Durham, don't want him thinking, just playing.

should be more dominant. only see flashes. It's a shame.

In comment 13039559 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13039490 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Go check out nursing homes. Seth also has a birthday today, IIRC. #oldfucks The Kreider $4.75M figure was only one year, apparently. A longer term deal might be >$5M. I'm both honored and frightened that you knew it was my birthday and how old I was. I don't even have facebook or twitter... that's how old I am. just glad you didn't start a thread about it - you always square me off against Seth and his thread gets more posts. Even though he's the bigger dick (which is saying something because I'm a strong douche)

Being a douche is OK. Being a horrible homer is what separates Seth from you.

Brooks claims they're currently discussing a 4-5 year deal. Rangers offer is up to $4.75 mil per while Kreider is looking for $5.25 mil per.
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side request was $3.2 million, and Kreider's was $4.75 million. This is just a one year valuation submitted by Kreider..Like the linked article says, long term I think/hope $4.75-$5.25 get it done (lower end of course).
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Rad Brichards

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In comment 13039608 jv said:

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Brooks claims they're currently discussing a 4-5 year deal. Rangers offer is up to $4.75 mil per while Kreider is looking for $5.25 mil per. NY Post - ( New Window )

Great news. That's not much of a stretch at all - sounds like they are just hammering out details at this point. But above all, NO MORE GODDAMN NMCs in these things. Thanks.

I don't turn forty for five whole months!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

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In comment 13039677 BrettNYG10 said:

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I applaud your quickness with the Julian calendar.

... though I thought this would have been considered long ago...
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the Barclays move always looked like it had disaster written all over it.

From Lafleur to Gretzky, Rangers defenseman Brian Leetch looks back on his career in NY.

Nice article by Brian Leetch.
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is fine with me.

Islanders talking to Mets about building a building next to CitiField. They were not happy with the building last year.

There's already an ice rink next to Citifield, and they have the perfect amount of seating for Islander games.

Should be starting shortly.

It would be a real shame not to get something with term done before it starts.

Kevin Hayes deal is 2 years at $2.6M AAV

The Rangers and Kevin Hayes have agreed to terms per @NHL_AaronWard

the Rangers beat the Islanders :D

Something to really hang your hats on.

In comment 13043834 Greg from LI said:

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Something to really hang your hats on.

502! :D

In comment 13044721 Mike in Long Beach said:

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In comment 13043834 Greg from LI said: Quote: Something to really hang your hats on. 502! :D

Gonna become a Rangers fan when the Islanders move AGAIN, perhaps this time out of New York?

It's easy when your born with silver spoon. Rags have it all at the garden. That's why when isles win cup before them it will be that much better.

In comment 13044825 Fish said:

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It's easy when your born with silver spoon. Rags have it all at the garden. That's why when isles win cup before them it will be that much better.

I'm sure that colosseum Zamboni water will really appreciate in value.

In comment 13044825 Fish said:

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It's easy when your born with silver spoon. Rags have it all at the garden. That's why when isles win cup before them it will be that much better.

Thanks Fish. You acknowledge the Rangers have a cup in their future, albeit after the Islanders!!!

Rangers have it all but ISISlanders will have a spanking new arena with the Mets!!! Life is good!

Haha.

In comment 13044774 Anakim said:

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In comment 13044721 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: In comment 13043834 Greg from LI said: Quote: Something to really hang your hats on. 502! :D Gonna become a Rangers fan when the Islanders move AGAIN, perhaps this time out of New York?

503!

In comment 13045297 Mike in Long Beach said:

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503!

Is that the airspeed your jokes travel at right before they hit the water?

Oilers let Tyler Dellow go, the guy who wrote MC79 hockey and was really bullish on Stralman throughout 2013-2014.

I miss hockey. :(

In comment 13045375 BrettNYG10 said:

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Oilers let Tyler Dellow go, the guy who wrote MC79 hockey and was really bullish on Stralman throughout 2013-2014. I miss hockey. :(

I wonder if it's a situation like the Habs, who let their stats guy go when he went to the mat to argue against the Subban trade.

If Im an owner who is paying an advanced stats guy, realistic chance I want to hear his opinion on any decent sized move the GM proposes. Has to piss off GMs when the stats guys dont back up their moves.

technically didn't let their stats guy go, his contract was up.

They just didn't renew it. Which is maybe splitting hairs, but technically slightly different.

They're not giving up on analytics, simply hiring a different stats guy which IMO is fine, I know I'm probably a laggard, but a lot of advanced stats in hockey don't pass the eye test to me, and hockey for me is hard to break down and rate a person to an individual metric like baseball since there are far too many variables that impact each players results. It's more of a sum of the parts game like football.

I think there's a lot more work to be done in terms of usage/systems/teammates/etc. A guy could have crap possession numbers because he's paired with the wrong guy and in the wrong system.

So I get what you're saying.

Deej, I think the guy was definitely listened to. Just ignored/disagreed with because of 'culture'/'off-ice' reasons.

I saw someone (I can't find it now) tweet that Subban was late for practice like 18 times the past two years.

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In comment 13045297 Mike in Long Beach said: Quote: 503! Is that the airspeed your jokes travel at right before they hit the water?

My jokes plummet way faster. No life would ever be salvaged.

In comment 13045570 BrettNYG10 said:

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Deej, I think the guy was definitely listened to. Just ignored/disagreed with because of 'culture'/'off-ice' reasons. I saw someone (I can't find it now) tweet that Subban was late for practice like 18 times the past two years.

There is a ton of misinformation floating around now. I heard one report that said because Subban donated $10M to the Montreal Children's Hospital, which is the largest donation in history from a Canadian athlete, the team viewed him as "bigger than the team" and no one could be bigger than the team so they traded him.

Ridiculous.

I never heard the late 18 times thing, and Dave Stubbs who was a habs beat writer for years never mentioned it, but he definitely did have a "brand" and he was intent on building that brand, but that's why he was so popular IMO.

Yeah, I think there's a ton of rationalizing - I left out that it could just be due to a different valuation on both players (in other words, hockey reasons). Weber isn't some generic top four dman they dumped him for.

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Grant McCagg ‏@grantmccagg 1h1 hour ago I was told by an NHL source last week that PK Subban was late for practice on 18 occasions as a Hab.That's about 16 times too many.

(McKeen's chief amateur scout)

Bergevin to this point has been remarkably restrained and steady in the most pressure packed situation to be a GM in the NHL.

This trade is a head scratcher and unless someone inside the organization spills the thought process behind it, people are going to rationalize it for lack of a better explanation.

I believe almost none of them. We know Therrien was at odds with Subban, he called him out after several losses, the Avs the most blatant. My belief and you know I'm not fan of him, is MTL struggles to get coaches who fit in culturally as well as x's and o's so they are hesitant to fire Therrien since in theory he meets both.

I hate the system and think the man is way overrated as a coach, and I believe he influenced the trade more than anyone is letting on.